Tony Parker throwing shade at Kawhi

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Originally Posted by gambit1990

a big part of why i still give kawhi the benefit of the doubt is because... what does kawhi have to gain from not playing?

him not playing doesn't help his basketball career/sponsorships/legacy.

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So you give Kawhi the benefit of the doubt because he might be a moron?? Ok.

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Originally Posted by HI-FI

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:lol

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Originally Posted by Pauleta14

Honestly?

A real physical issue that, exposed, would kill his value, included by the Spurs just before he can sign an amazing max extension this summer.

Imagine a scenario a la Brandon Roy...

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Brandon Roy had medical red flags before the draft, as did Jerryd Bayless and of course Oden. Portland had a history of medical reaches, and got burned by almost every damn one of them. Only fans were surprised by Roy’s shortened career track. Front offices knew, as did some in the media.

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Originally Posted by LkrFan

Their team docs work for the team and not Kiwi. 10 time out of 10 he will do what the Spurs want (or practice medicine elsewhere). Kiwi is right to be skeptical. Look at what the Pistons did to Grant Hill. Look at what Boston did to IT. I'm just saying...

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Fair point. But the Spurs are not Detroit. Or Boston.

bottom line, Kawhi is not up for the bullshit . As a spurs fan, I've been sick of the front office/popovich bullshit, it's just sad that we gotta lose our best player for it

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Originally Posted by DieHardSpursFan1537

The media helped manufacture a large majority of this ridiculous soap opera garbage. At the same time, Kawhi is also to blame for not saying a single fucking word on the injury for several months.

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everyone isn't from this ere or adapted to this social media era. People actually think I'm strange because damn near no one on facebook knows anything about me. They don't know my age, where I work, where I live, what kind of car I drive or what I do daily. i think Kawhi has handled this situation well by not bringing ANY attention to himself. The only attention is nosy ass reporters in the media looking for a fucking story. It's sad the times we live in that a man is blamed for not putting his business in the street. hahahaa. Think about that for a minute and get back with me.. Did any of us know 25 years ago that Zo and LJ had problem in Charlotte? NO, because there was no social mediai. Yes, that shit started long before that knicks/heat playoff game but there was no twitter/instagram or shit like that with nosy ass bitches

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Originally Posted by james evans

everyone isn't from this ere or adapted to this social media era. People actually think I'm strange because damn near no one on facebook knows anything about me. They don't know my age, where I work, where I live, what kind of car I drive or what I do daily. i think Kawhi has handled this situation well by not bringing ANY attention to himself. The only attention is nosy ass reporters in the media looking for a fucking story. It's sad the times we live in that a man is blamed for not putting his business in the street. hahahaa. Think about that for a minute and get back with me.. Did any of us know 25 years ago that Zo and LJ had problem in Charlotte? NO, because there was no social mediai. Yes, that shit started long before that knicks/heat playoff game but there was no twitter/instagram or shit like that with nosy ass bitches

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Actually you are wrong about that. I actually grew up in NC so I knew back then as a kid that they both hated each other. That was revealed in the local media when ZO before the start of the '95-96 season refused to report to training camp due to wanting a new contract. The reasoning behind it was that ZO felt he was a better player than LJ and deserved to be paid more than LJ. I remember reading in the local news paper and hearing on the local news that they both hated each other. They were a lot of stories that came out how they clashed with each other in practice and fought over who would be the leader of the Hornets. The only difference back then I would say since Charlotte was a small market it didn't make national headlines like it would today but locally we all knew they didn't like each other.

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Originally Posted by james evans

bottom line, Kawhi is not up for the bullshit . As a spurs fan, I've been sick of the front office/popovich bullshit, it's just sad that we gotta lose our best player for it

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That doesn't justify Kawhi not playing. Kobe and Jordan hated their front offices and bitched about it openly but didn't pull bush league antics by not playing.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

Actually you are wrong about that. I actually grew up in NC so I knew back then as a kid that they both hated each other. That was revealed in the local media when ZO before the start of the '95-96 season refused to report to training camp due to wanting a new contract. The reasoning behind it was that ZO felt he was a better player than LJ and deserved to be paid more than LJ. I remember reading in the local news paper and hearing on the local news that they both hated each other. They were a lot of stories that came out how they clashed with each other in practice and fought over who would be the leader of the Hornets. The only difference back then I would say since Charlotte was a small market it didn't make national headlines like it would today but locally we all knew they didn't like each other.

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I'm from NC too. there was a story only known in here in NC that they were fucking the same chick but u and me were in NC, it wasn't nationwide news. So basically you're proving me right. Things we new here in NC, it wasn't known nationwide so the keyword in this was "local". thank you

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Originally Posted by daslicer

That doesn't justify Kawhi not playing. Kobe and Jordan hated their front offices and bitched about it openly but didn't pull bush league antics by not playing.

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he can do whatever he wants. Team owners and coaches(yes popovich) have stuck it to players for decades, why can't we celebrate a player sticking it to a coach an team. Webber didn't like what Don Nelson trying to play him at center so he demanded a trade after he won ROY. These mfs aren't God

We'll all be dead in 60 years anyway.

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Originally Posted by Stabula

We'll all be dead in 60 years anyway.

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What better way to fill those 60 yrs than to obsess over the pain Kawhi feels standing after throwing down a Wing Stop flavored bucket of mud shrimp in the toilet?

1. Kawhi has nothing to gain by not playing... And everything to lose if he plays hurt

2. The Spurs FO has had a great reputation for many years... So has Pop... But recently they have been making decisions that are perplexing... It is possible that the medical staff made a bad call, and Kawhi lost some confidence in them... Especially since it has been reported that he was still feeling pain after games...

3. Stop saying Kawhi has been silent... He has been telling both his teammates AND the media he isn't ready yet... You can't tell someone when u will be healed from an injury... Your body will let u know when... So he HAS been telling the media and teammates he can't play... So the issue isn't him being silent... The issue is you guys think he is lying for some weird reason...

4. Once again, if he could play, but wanted to leave, he could Kobe it up and play for stats just to get a big contract, then demand a trade... Or simply not sign one this summer... Him not playing hurts him more than helps

5. Tony Parker has always been immature... The guy banged his teammate's wife (THE most cancerous thing a teammate can possibly do), tried to steal the finals MVP from Kawhi in the 4th quarter... Hated on Danny Green's hot shooting by saying he doesn't understand why they leave him so wide open... And now saying he healed from an injury 100 times worse, in a shorter time, and wouldn't have gone for a second opinion like Kawhi did... Retire already dude

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

1. Kawhi has nothing to gain by not playing... And everything to lose if he plays hurt

2. The Spurs FO has had a great reputation for many years... So has Pop... But recently they have been making decisions that are perplexing... It is possible that the medical staff made a bad call, and Kawhi lost some confidence in them... Especially since it has been reported that he was still feeling pain after games...

3. Stop saying Kawhi has been silent... He has been telling both his teammates AND the media he isn't ready yet... You can't tell someone when u will be healed from an injury... Your body will let u know when... So he HAS been telling the media and teammates he can't play... So the issue isn't him being silent... The issue is you guys think he is lying for some weird reason...

4. Once again, if he could play, but wanted to leave, he could Kobe it up and play for stats just to get a big contract, then demand a trade... Or simply not sign one this summer... Him not playing hurts him more than helps

5. Tony Parker has always been immature... The guy banged his teammate's wife (THE most cancerous thing a teammate can possibly do), tried to steal the finals MVP from Kawhi in the 4th quarter... Hated on Danny Green's hot shooting by saying he doesn't understand why they leave him so wide open... And now saying he healed from an injury 100 times worse, in a shorter time, and wouldn't have gone for a second opinion like Kawhi did... Retire already dude

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1 through 5..... WRONG

There is no proof anywhere Parker did
Do you really think spurs would have kepted Parker had he?
Spurs would have shipped his dick.
Also who knows if pop is telling manu and tp to go public.
Spurs do not leak things

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

1. Kawhi has nothing to gain by not playing... And everything to lose if he plays hurt

2. The Spurs FO has had a great reputation for many years... So has Pop... But recently they have been making decisions that are perplexing... It is possible that the medical staff made a bad call, and Kawhi lost some confidence in them... Especially since it has been reported that he was still feeling pain after games...

3. Stop saying Kawhi has been silent... He has been telling both his teammates AND the media he isn't ready yet... You can't tell someone when u will be healed from an injury... Your body will let u know when... So he HAS been telling the media and teammates he can't play... So the issue isn't him being silent... The issue is you guys think he is lying for some weird reason...

4. Once again, if he could play, but wanted to leave, he could Kobe it up and play for stats just to get a big contract, then demand a trade... Or simply not sign one this summer... Him not playing hurts him more than helps

5. Tony Parker has always been immature... The guy banged his teammate's wife (THE most cancerous thing a teammate can possibly do), tried to steal the finals MVP from Kawhi in the 4th quarter... Hated on Danny Green's hot shooting by saying he doesn't understand why they leave him so wide open... And now saying he healed from an injury 100 times worse, in a shorter time, and wouldn't have gone for a second opinion like Kawhi did... Retire already dude

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Originally Posted by sasaint

Nice work. Thanks for the scoop.

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Originally Posted by BillMc

Cheers man. :toast Holmes couldn't have solved that mystery faster.

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

1. Kawhi has nothing to gain by not playing... And everything to lose if he plays hurt

2. The Spurs FO has had a great reputation for many years... So has Pop... But recently they have been making decisions that are perplexing... It is possible that the medical staff made a bad call, and Kawhi lost some confidence in them... Especially since it has been reported that he was still feeling pain after games...

3. Stop saying Kawhi has been silent... He has been telling both his teammates AND the media he isn't ready yet... You can't tell someone when u will be healed from an injury... Your body will let u know when... So he HAS been telling the media and teammates he can't play... So the issue isn't him being silent... The issue is you guys think he is lying for some weird reason...

4. Once again, if he could play, but wanted to leave, he could Kobe it up and play for stats just to get a big contract, then demand a trade... Or simply not sign one this summer... Him not playing hurts him more than helps

5. Tony Parker has always been immature... The guy banged his teammate's wife (THE most cancerous thing a teammate can possibly do), tried to steal the finals MVP from Kawhi in the 4th quarter... Hated on Danny Green's hot shooting by saying he doesn't understand why they leave him so wide open... And now saying he healed from an injury 100 times worse, in a shorter time, and wouldn't have gone for a second opinion like Kawhi did... Retire already dude

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1 - WRONG

If he can't aggravate his injury, playing through pain would not only give him a chance for another ring, but also bring so much respect from his team and BB observers in general. That's what champions are supposed to do/be.
Tim Tony and Manu not only did it but Pop was actually the one forcing them not to play.

2 - WRONG

What decisions are you talking about? Nothing factual, just here say...

Parker is the best example that there's nothing wrong with them, even if he shouldn't brag about it, the fact it that his injury was way worse and many were pessimistic on him playing bb again.

3 - WRONG

When you are a FRANCHISE player you have to act like it. You can't only take what you want of it. Speaking to your teamates is just the minimum. What is asked of him is to publicly speak like a man with his own words, he owes it to the fans (that keep buying tickets, keep hoping for the season...).
Nothing complicate! Just 5 minutes of his time, instead of letting so many voices speculating.

4 - WRONG

Such a naive statement... Work your imagination a bit (or read some threads) and you'll find some scenarios.

5 - WRONG

I'm the first to say he shouldn't have said that but it's more a communication mistake than him wanting to take a dig at Kawhi. Tony is just often very bad in interviews, when he has to talk more than just strictly BB. (It's another subject, but people forget Tony didn't go to college and wasn't really into studies/learnig, he isn't Manu or Tim in that regard, even if he evolved a lot in term of culture, general knowledge...)
He isn't the dick you think he is.
And the story with B. Barry's wife isn't what people think it was. (again anther subject).


So yeah, try again ^^

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Originally Posted by DieHardSpursFan1537

The media helped manufacture a large majority of this ridiculous soap opera garbage. At the same time, Kawhi is also to blame for not saying a single fucking word on the injury for several months.

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Yea..the media is responsible for the the fact he can't show support for his teammates or be on the bench. They're responsible for why a "player's only meeting" was held. They're responsible for two of the biggest spur heros in franchise history calling his cupcake ass out.

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Originally Posted by james evans

he can do whatever he wants. Team owners and coaches(yes popovich) have stuck it to players for decades, why can't we celebrate a player sticking it to a coach an team. Webber didn't like what Don Nelson trying to play him at center so he demanded a trade after he won ROY. These mfs aren't God

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You sound retarded. If Kawhi is sitting out because he despises the FO and coaches then he should ask for a trade instead of sitting out and being unprofessional.

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Originally Posted by Pauleta14

1 - WRONG

If he can't aggravate his injury, playing through pain would not only give him a chance for another ring, but also bring so much respect from his team and BB observers in general. That's what champions are supposed to do/be.
Tim Tony and Manu not only did it but Pop was actually the one forcing them not to play.

2 - WRONG

What decisions are you talking about? Nothing factual, just here say...

Parker is the best example that there's nothing wrong with them, even if he shouldn't brag about it, the fact it that his injury was way worse and many were pessimistic on him playing bb again.

3 - WRONG

When you are a FRANCHISE player you have to act like it. You can't only take what you want of it. Speaking to your teamates is just the minimum. What is asked of him is to publicly speak like a man with his own words, he owes it to the fans (that keep buying tickets, keep hoping for the season...).
Nothing complicate! Just 5 minutes of his time, instead of letting so many voices speculating.

4 - WRONG

Such a naive statement... Work your imagination a bit (or read some threads) and you'll find some scenarios.

5 - WRONG

I'm the first to say he shouldn't have said that but it's more a communication mistake than him wanting to take a dig at Kawhi. Tony is just often very bad in interviews, when he has to talk more than just strictly BB. (It's another subject, but people forget Tony didn't go to college and wasn't really into studies/learnig, he isn't Manu or Tim in that regard, even if he evolved a lot in term of culture, general knowledge...)
He isn't the dick you think he is.
And the story with B. Barry's wife isn't what people think it was. (again anther subject).


So yeah, try again ^^

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Just read the entire Parker, journalist exhchange and at no point did it com off as a subtle dig at Kawhi. The media and so-called spurs fans are just looking to fan the flames of dissension. Tony as he does so often spoke in a “matter of fact” manner. Was his injury 100x worse than what was initially diagnosed of Kawhi....yes. Did something change after that. It appears so from what Leonard’s camp has been leaking to the media. If you subscribe to that notion, the bigger issue here is that his teammates have been kept in the dark through this entire process. So as far as Tony is aware the injury shoudnt have warranted the extended rehab since they only knew what the Spurs medical team has told them.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

You sound retarded. If Kawhi is sitting out because he despises the FO and coaches then he should ask for a trade instead of sitting out and being unprofessional.

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how do you know he hasn't asked for a trade? And how do you do know he didn't start feeling this way until after the all star break? I'm sorry, I aint siding with power hungry men in charge anymore, regardless if it's my team or not. We saw how they let Simmons walk. We saw how Dedmond was treated last year. It takes a special kind of submissive male to play for the spurs and some guys just aint that. Do I want Kawhi to stay? of course. Am I gonna be mad if he leaves? NO. We don't own him. This isn't fucking slavery.

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Originally Posted by james evans

how do you know he hasn't asked for a trade? And how do you do know he didn't start feeling this way until after the all star break? I'm sorry, I aint siding with power hungry men in charge anymore, regardless if it's my team or not. We saw how they let Simmons walk. We saw how Dedmond was treated last year. It takes a special kind of submissive male to play for the spurs and some guys just aint that. Do I want Kawhi to stay? of course. Am I gonna be mad if he leaves? NO. We don't own him. This isn't fucking slavery.

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You have confirmed it for me that you are fucking retarded. :lol If this is slavery please sign me up for it. I would love to be a slave for millions of dollars and only having to work a few hours a week along with staying in 5 star hotels every week. Anyways if Kawhi had asked for a trade it would have been leaked out to the media by now that's why I don't believe he has.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

You have confirmed it for me that you are fucking retarded. :lol If this is slavery please sign me up for it. I would love to be a slave for millions of dollars and only having to work a few hours a week along with staying in 5 star hotels every week. Anyways if Kawhi had asked for a trade it would have been leaked out to the media by now that's why I don't believe he has.

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slavery isn't just picking cotton in shabby clothing and being sold on an auction block while nude. Slavery is when you don't have possession of your own labor and restrictions on your freedom. Record contracts are slave contracts. That's why when you sign a record contract, you can't do another song outside of the label working with another label unless you are granted permission by the label owner. The NBA is no differnt. Players have to structure their contracts in that they are allowed to actually play street ball or get permission to do so. Riding motor bikes isn't allowed and even appearing on certain dvds and saying certain things can lead to fines(Carmelo Anthony was fined for appearing on a Stop Snitching dvd). And the NBA life isn't just working a few hours a week. You have mandatory team meetings, morning shoot arounds, practices, before the game shoot arounds, mandatory interviews, mandatory ANSWERS in the interviews(Sheed was fined for saying "both teams played hard" over and over), can't criticize officials, mandatory photo shoots, and and mandatory promos. So no, it's not getting paid millions to for a few hours of work per week. The NBA owns their players and that is indeed a form of slavery. I'm a vetaran and NBA players make a hell of a lot more than I made in the military, but I was a slave to the government like NBA players are to team owners and Adam Silver. You're welcome.

And the reason I said "this isn't slavery" is that it's a form of slavery but not slavery in the sense of Christianity/Islam/Ancestor worship slavery

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Originally Posted by Pauleta14

1 - WRONG

If he can't aggravate his injury, playing through pain would not only give him a chance for another ring, but also bring so much respect from his team and BB observers in general. That's what champions are supposed to do/be.
Tim Tony and Manu not only did it but Pop was actually the one forcing them not to play.

2 - WRONG

What decisions are you talking about? Nothing factual, just here say...

Parker is the best example that there's nothing wrong with them, even if he shouldn't brag about it, the fact it that his injury was way worse and many were pessimistic on him playing bb again.

3 - WRONG

When you are a FRANCHISE player you have to act like it. You can't only take what you want of it. Speaking to your teamates is just the minimum. What is asked of him is to publicly speak like a man with his own words, he owes it to the fans (that keep buying tickets, keep hoping for the season...).
Nothing complicate! Just 5 minutes of his time, instead of letting so many voices speculating.

4 - WRONG

Such a naive statement... Work your imagination a bit (or read some threads) and you'll find some scenarios.

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I'm the first to say he shouldn't have said that but it's more a communication mistake than him wanting to take a dig at Kawhi. Tony is just often very bad in interviews, when he has to talk more than just strictly BB. (It's another subject, but people forget Tony didn't go to college and wasn't really into studies/learnig, he isn't Manu or Tim in that regard, even if he evolved a lot in term of culture, general knowledge...)
He isn't the dick you think he is.
And the story with B. Barry's wife isn't what people think it was. (again anther subject).


So yeah, try again ^^

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1. You mean play through pain like he did last years playoffs when he played through TWO ankle sprains before a third (Zaza)? U guys actually as if he sits out through everything... The guy literally sprained his ankle again that same game and ppl were saying he should have sat... And he played through it... So if he is sitting now, something is actually wrong

2. What decisions? Dude we CONSTANTLY talk about the bad coaching decisions pop has made on here... And the bad decisions the front office has been making lately... Where have you been???

3. He DID say in an interview that he is hurt and he is trying to come back... The fact is that fans don't care... They dismiss it because they think he is lying... What do you want him to do? Post on Twitter every 5 minutes like lebron? U guys are on here saying he isn't talking at all when he HAS... you just don't like what he has to say

4. Sure... If u say so

5. Everyone knows about the Brent Barry situation... To act as if it didn't happen is stupid... Cheating on his wife with the wife of another teammate is pretty low and cancerous...

Parker is a grown man... About to retire... He knows how to communicate... Don't act as if he is some idiot 19 year old fresh out of high school... It's insulting... Tons of players never went to college... Tons of players aren't from the US... And they don't have a history of shady comments about teammates... When look at Dirk, T-Mac, etc... Parker said what he meant