Kawhi is not resigning here

a lot of sherlocks with incredible theories here

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Originally Posted by r0drig0lac

a lot of sherlocks with incredible theories here

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Thanks for clearing this up

I am not giving a Super Max offer to anyone who hasn’t played a whole freaking year. To me his injury sounds chronic and if he does play how many games can you count on him to play before it flares up and then he misses time or season. games?

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Before Pop kissed and made up with LaMarcus. That happened for a reason. I think they knew at that point that there were serious problems, and that they needed LMA to carry the team this year. This is all based on observations, but it makes sense. Why else go from dumping LMA to apologizing to him in a span of a couple of weeks?

A lot of people don’t know that the Spurs and the other three former ABA franchises only receive 6/7ths of the TV contract revenue that the other 26 teams get. The other 1/7th from each team goes to the former owners of the StL Spirits as consideration for them folding their franchise and not pursuing entry into the NBA. When that deal was signed, TV money wasn’t much. The league wasn’t popular at all. The NBA Finals were shown tape delayed. As the TV contract has grown bigger and bigger, so has the gap between what SA makes, and those other 26 teams make. That’s why they can’t afford Kawhi SuperMax deal, when a shit franchise like Sacto gives one to DMC. It makes our 20 year run of excellence even more amazing. We did it with essentially one hand tied behind our backs.

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What do you mean that the former ABA teams only get 6/7ths of the league revenue? You mean the other 26 teams get the fulll amount, but the 3 former ABA teams are paying 1/7th of their revenue to the STL Spirits?

Thanks for also saying when you thought the Spurs may have told Kawhi they can't afford the Supermax. I know it's all conjecture, but it's still a possible theory.

Kawhi has shown that he is not a franchise player, not a good one anyway. He's a top five player in the league, but a franchise player is one who sets the tone for your entire organization. He shows up to practice, or he's on the bench during games consistently when he's injured, he goes to team meetings/film, he communicates with teammates, and he doesn't let the team become distracted by his bullshit. If that means fielding questions from the media, that's what it takes. This guy has ghosted the team, according to Tony and Manu, two cornerstones of the franchise who have the team first in mind. They gave everything to the organization so if you're going to trust anyone's word on it, it would be theirs. Just trade him and be done with it.

There is no way in hell we told our best player, a duperstar and top 5 player in the league when healthy, that we can’t afford to give him a supermax. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. We’re not the Kings. Spurs aren’t that stupif

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There is no way in hell we told our best player, a duperstar and top 5 player in the league when healthy, that we can’t afford to give him a supermax. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. We’re not the Kings. Spurs aren’t that stupif

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this i agree with haha

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Before Pop kissed and made up with LaMarcus. That happened for a reason. I think they knew at that point that there were serious problems, and that they needed LMA to carry the team this year. This is all based on observations, but it makes sense. Why else go from dumping LMA to apologizing to him in a span of a couple of weeks?

A lot of people don’t know that the Spurs and the other three former ABA franchises only receive 6/7ths of the TV contract revenue that the other 26 teams get. The other 1/7th from each team goes to the former owners of the StL Spirits as consideration for them folding their franchise and not pursuing entry into the NBA. When that deal was signed, TV money wasn’t much. The league wasn’t popular at all. The NBA Finals were shown tape delayed. As the TV contract has grown bigger and bigger, so has the gap between what SA makes, and those other 26 teams make. That’s why they can’t afford Kawhi SuperMax deal, when a shit franchise like Sacto gives one to DMC. It makes our 20 year run of excellence even more amazing. We did it with essentially one hand tied behind our backs.

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I did some research and found out the NBA in 2014 reached a deal with the Silnas family the former owners of the Spirit franchise in which they paid them a lump sum of 500 million dollars to end the original deal they had with the NBA.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

I did some research and found out the NBA in 2014 reached a deal with the Silnas family the former owners of the Spirit franchise in which they paid them a lump sum of 500 million dollars to end the original deal they had with the NBA.

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Thanks for the find.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

I did some research and found out the NBA in 2014 reached a deal with the Silnas family the former owners of the Spirit franchise in which they paid them a lump sum of 500 million dollars to end the original deal they had with the NBA.

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Wow. That is a big chuck of change that they received. What was the reason for the deal in the first place? Why did they have to reach a deal with them? Did the NBA and other ABA teams not want them in the NBA?

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Wow. That is a big chuck of change that they received. What was the reason for the deal in the first place? Why did they have to reach a deal with them? Did the NBA and other ABA teams not want them in the NBA?

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From what I have read back in 1976 the ABA only had 6 remaining ABA franchises. The NBA decided that they were only going to allow 4 out of the 6 franchises to enter the NBA which were the Spurs,Pacers,Nets,Nuggets. The NBA reached a settlement with the owner of the Kentucky Colonels to shut down his team which was a settlement of 3.3 million. To shut down the other franchise which was the Spirit the NBA negotiating a deal with the Silna family in which they would get 1/7 of the TV revenue of 4 former ABA franchises. From what I have read the NBA figured back then the TV money would never be a great and actually thought they had ripped off the Silna family instead of having to pay them millions. I have also read the last several years the Silna family started suing the NBA for hundreds of millions dollars because they felt they should get revenue money from league pass subscriptions and streaming video. That was the final straw and what caused the NBA to reach a settlement with the Silna family outside of court.

What I found interesting was in 1982 the NBA tried to reach a settlement with this family for 5 million dollars but the family wanted 8 million so the NBA ended negotiations. It's insane thinking that the NBA could have ended this problem 30 some years earlier just for 8 million versus having to pay 500 million today.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

From what I have read back in 1976 the ABA only had 6 remaining ABA franchises. The NBA decided that they were only going to allow 4 out of the 6 franchises to enter the NBA which were the Spurs,Pacers,Nets,Nuggets. The NBA reached a settlement with the owner of the Kentucky Colonels to shut down his team which was a settlement of 3.3 million. To shut down the other franchise which was the Spirit the NBA negotiating a deal with the Silna family in which they would get 1/7 of the TV revenue of 4 former ABA franchises. From what I have read the NBA figured back then the TV money would never be a great and actually thought they had ripped off the Silna family instead of having to pay them millions. I have also read the last several years the Silna family started suing the NBA for hundreds of millions dollars because they felt they should get revenue money from league pass subscriptions and streaming video. That was the final straw and what caused the NBA to reach a settlement with the Silna family outside of court.

What I found interesting was in 1982 the NBA tried to reach a settlement with this family for 5 million dollars but the family wanted 8 million so the NBA ended negotiations. It's insane thinking that the NBA could have ended this problem 30 some years earlier just for 8 million versus having to pay 500 million today.

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That's very interesting. Thanks for posting it. :toast

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Originally Posted by Ice009

What do you mean that the former ABA teams only get 6/7ths of the league revenue? You mean the other 26 teams get the fulll amount, but the 3 former ABA teams are paying 1/7th of their revenue to the STL Spirits?

Thanks for also saying when you thought the Spurs may have told Kawhi they can't afford the Supermax. I know it's all conjecture, but it's still a possible theory.

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All four former ABA teams, SA, IND, DEN, and BKN, get only 6/7 of the television money that the other 26 teams get. That other 1/7 from each of the four teams goes to the family that owned the Spirits.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

I did some research and found out the NBA in 2014 reached a deal with the Silnas family the former owners of the Spirit franchise in which they paid them a lump sum of 500 million dollars to end the original deal they had with the NBA.

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It’s not over. Oh, and that $500M came from the four former ABA franchises, not the league. Think that didn’t put a bite on the Spurs cash flow?

In January 2014, a conditional settlement agreement between the NBA, the former ABA clubs and the Silnas was announced.[24][14][25] As part of the deal, the Silnas are reported to be receiving a $500 million upfront payment from the former ABA teams.[21][13] In return, the former ABA teams will get majority stake in the Spirits of St. Louis Basketball Club, L.P., which will retain control of a portion of the TV revenue streams of the former ABA teams, with the option to purchase the remaining stake held by the Silnas in the future.[24][26][21][19] Also, the Silnas will drop their litigation against the league seeking a share of additional media revenue streams, with the NBA agreeing to grant some of the disputed funds to the Spirits.[25][24][21] The deal must still receive court approval.

Exactly my thinking when they re signed LMA...and that strange board with LMA that appeared in SA. The insight on the Spurs not being able to afford the Supermax is quite logical as a step into what ended up happening...

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Before Pop kissed and made up with LaMarcus. That happened for a reason. I think they knew at that point that there were serious problems, and that they needed LMA to carry the team this year. This is all based on observations, but it makes sense. Why else go from dumping LMA to apologizing to him in a span of a couple of weeks?

A lot of people don’t know that the Spurs and the other three former ABA franchises only receive 6/7ths of the TV contract revenue that the other 26 teams get. The other 1/7th from each team goes to the former owners of the StL Spirits as consideration for them folding their franchise and not pursuing entry into the NBA. When that deal was signed, TV money wasn’t much. The league wasn’t popular at all. The NBA Finals were shown tape delayed. As the TV contract has grown bigger and bigger, so has the gap between what SA makes, and those other 26 teams make. That’s why they can’t afford Kawhi SuperMax deal, when a shit franchise like Sacto gives one to DMC. It makes our 20 year run of excellence even more amazing. We did it with essentially one hand tied behind our backs.

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Spurs will offer the supermax to Kawhi. I don’t like what Kawhi did, but the guy is the best 2-way player in the league, top 5 player. That doesn’t happen everyday especially in a small market like San Antonio. Pops and RC will put their acts together to protect anymore damage and sign his extension come summer.

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Profiling at its finest. I’m glad your girl is not a cop.

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Me too.

However, I would say that police' racial profiling is worse...

You give some ideas...I'd like to see her in a sexy cop custome :D

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That's very interesting. Thanks for posting it. :toast

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Agree. Very interesting. I ignore what exstatic and daslicer posted about former ABA teams and the former/current deals. Thanks!

I'm gonna lose a little respect for Kawhi if he doesn't play for the rest of the season. His family mainly. He/ They did all of this for the supermax. Maybe it's his family in his ear trying to secure wealth for the whole family. No way is leg is that bad. Still love Kawhi tho, and he belongs in a Spurs jersey for life.

They shouldn't reward a player that sat out the entire season with the supermax, just offer the regular max , if he doesn't take it just trade him next season. Kawhi averaged 70 games/season before this one, he was never that healthy to begin with, things will only get worse as he ages.

There's some Brandon Roy vibes tbh

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Originally Posted by keithington1

I'm gonna lose a little respect for Kawhi if he doesn't play for the rest of the season. His family mainly. He/ They did all of this for the supermax. Maybe it's his family in his ear trying to secure wealth for the whole family. No way is leg is that bad. Still love Kawhi tho, and he belongs in a Spurs jersey for life.

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how old are u? u realize this makes no sense, right? actually playing pretty much secures the supermax...how could he POSSIBLY be sitting out an entire year, to get the supermax? that actually lowers his value...smh

I think Kawhi doesn't want to end up like IT. I don't know about you but I'm sure the Spurs will offer him the supermax. Why play hardball and lose your superstar? I don't think Kawhi is that hurt but is wary of what happened to TP. Let's just say MJ would be playing if he had the same injury. To me it's a little weak but he is still my favorite player.

KL is still hurting. The Spurs know this, even if if the Spurs medical team has "cleared him to play." At no point have we heard KL/camp ask to be traded or PATFO looking to trade him. If KL was just "faking it" because he wants off the Spurs--the Spurs would have accommodated his request prior to the trade deadline.

Bottom line: KL is not playing because he's hurt and not because he wants off the team.

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Originally Posted by keithington1

I think Kawhi doesn't want to end up like IT. I don't know about you but I'm sure the Spurs will offer him the supermax. Why play hardball and lose your superstar? I don't think Kawhi is that hurt but is wary of what happened to TP. Let's just say MJ would be playing if he had the same injury. To me it's a little weak but he is still my favorite player.

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KL is still hurting. The Spurs know this, even if if the Spurs medical team has "cleared him to play." At no point have we heard KL/camp ask to be traded or PATFO looking to trade him. If KL was just "faking it" because he wants off the Spurs--the Spurs would have accommodated his request prior to the trade deadline.

Bottom line: KL is not playing because he's hurt and not because he wants off the team.

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my theory is Kawhi is not hurt enough to miss the playoffs. His family is being cautious so that they can secure the supermax.

KL is playing the Spurs & has been for a while IMO. That team meeting was a statement—by the whole organization, not just TP & Manu. Those guys have been sacrificing money to win their entire careers. Also, IMO anything coming out in the news that says otherwise is Kawhi’s team trying shed it in a different light/damage control.

Pop def didn’t see this coming w/ KL. To be fair, not sure how much of it is him or his “team”/uncle.

I think it’s RIDICULOUS how mistrusting KL/his team are of the Spurs though. The Spurs’ bread & butter has been taking guys that were/are looked over & giving them careers/lives they wouldn’t have otherwise had. In almost every way it’s been a very pro-player organization. The list is too long, & it also includes Kawhi. Anybody honestly think Kawhi is where he’s at if he got drafted by another team? HELL NO.

Just looking at it from the outside, I think it’s unfortunate he got his uncle to be his agent. I think there’s a reason a lot of players stick w/ agents. It’s one thing to seek out advice from family members, another to basically give them the reigns to your career. KL obviously has a close relationship to his uncle, not going to go there.

But it’s apparent that KL is highly mistrusting of an organization that treats its players very well. And has been for a while.

At this point I wouldn’t mind if he left. Tired of this bullshit. Been watching the Spurs for 20 years. Watch them be overly cautious bringing players back from injury. Sitting players out as a preventative measure. Watch them take FINE WORTHY measures to protect their players’ health. Even to the chagrin of many fans.

Then “Oh, I want a second opinion.” Then they clear him too & he’s still sitting games out. & he ain’t even on the bench to support the guys playing.

Fuck this guy. GTFO already & don’t let the door hit your pussy on the way out.

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KL is playing the Spurs & has been for a while IMO. That team meeting was a statement—by the whole organization, not just TP & Manu. Those guys have been sacrificing money to win their entire careers. Also, IMO anything coming out in the news that says otherwise is Kawhi’s team trying shed it in a different light/damage control.

Pop def didn’t see this coming w/ KL. To be fair, not sure how much of it is him or his “team”/uncle.

I think it’s RIDICULOUS how mistrusting KL/his team are of the Spurs though. The Spurs’ bread & butter has been taking guys that were/are looked over & giving them careers/lives they wouldn’t have otherwise had. In almost every way it’s been a very pro-player organization. The list is too long, & it also includes Kawhi. Anybody honestly think Kawhi is where he’s at if he got drafted by another team? HELL NO.

Just looking at it from the outside, I think it’s unfortunate he got his uncle to be his agent. I think there’s a reason a lot of players stick w/ agents. It’s one thing to seek out advice from family members, another to basically give them the reigns to your career. KL obviously has a close relationship to his uncle, not going to go there.

But it’s apparent that KL is highly mistrusting of an organization that treats its players very well. And has been for a while.

At this point I wouldn’t mind if he left. Tired of this bullshit. Been watching the Spurs for 20 years. Watch them be overly cautious bringing players back from injury. Sitting players out as a preventative measure. Watch them take FINE WORTHY measures to protect their players’ health. Even to the chagrin of many fans.

Then “Oh, I want a second opinion.” Then they clear him too & he’s still sitting games out. & he ain’t even on the bench to support the guys playing.

Fuck this guy. GTFO already & don’t let the door hit your pussy on the way out.

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TP sacrificing money? :lmao

Is that why that fucker gladly signed a 4 year fat contract? :lmao

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TP sacrificing money? :lmao

Is that why that fucker gladly signed a 4 year fat contract? :lmao

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TP sacrificing money? :lmao

Is that why that fucker gladly signed a 4 year fat contract? :lmao

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https://i.imgur.com/5KUxTR3.gif

Whether or not Kawhi sticks with the Spurs long term the damage has been done and Kawhi or his team clearly doesn’t trust the Spurs medical staff. Any future injury he would suffer would always need to go through Kawhi’s medical staff and the same issue like now could arise again.

I'm all for him being traded to LA. for Ingram an Randle, but the ripple effect of him not being signed is Anderson resigning, paying Danny, begging Ginobili to return, pay Rudy to a 3yr extension, keeping Mills starting at SG, an I pray an I mean I pray that we get a better big off the bench. Laverne has to go point blank period.

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Originally Posted by mingus

KL is playing the Spurs & has been for a while IMO. That team meeting was a statement—by the whole organization, not just TP & Manu. Those guys have been sacrificing money to win their entire careers. Also, IMO anything coming out in the news that says otherwise is Kawhi’s team trying shed it in a different light/damage control.

Pop def didn’t see this coming w/ KL. To be fair, not sure how much of it is him or his “team”/uncle.

I think it’s RIDICULOUS how mistrusting KL/his team are of the Spurs though. The Spurs’ bread & butter has been taking guys that were/are looked over & giving them careers/lives they wouldn’t have otherwise had. In almost every way it’s been a very pro-player organization. The list is too long, & it also includes Kawhi. Anybody honestly think Kawhi is where he’s at if he got drafted by another team? HELL NO.

Just looking at it from the outside, I think it’s unfortunate he got his uncle to be his agent. I think there’s a reason a lot of players stick w/ agents. It’s one thing to seek out advice from family members, another to basically give them the reigns to your career. KL obviously has a close relationship to his uncle, not going to go there.

But it’s apparent that KL is highly mistrusting of an organization that treats its players very well. And has been for a while.

At this point I wouldn’t mind if he left. Tired of this bullshit. Been watching the Spurs for 20 years. Watch them be overly cautious bringing players back from injury. Sitting players out as a preventative measure. Watch them take FINE WORTHY measures to protect their players’ health. Even to the chagrin of many fans.

Then “Oh, I want a second opinion.” Then they clear him too & he’s still sitting games out. & he ain’t even on the bench to support the guys playing.

Fuck this guy. GTFO already & don’t let the door hit your pussy on the way out.

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this whole post sounds stupid and is full is wild, baseless assumptions...how has be been playing the spurs for a while? when did it start? when he went back into the game to play vs the warriors when he got his ankle sprained three times? GTFOH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

I think it’s absolutely money. I think the Spurs told him last summer that they cannot afford to give him the SuperMax, and it’s been all downhill since then.

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If they told him that I don't blame him wanting out.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

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Kawhi's group and Uncle have been feeding Kawhi every excuse why he should look elsewhere. This has been going on all season.

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Originally Posted by eDizzle20

Whether or not Kawhi sticks with the Spurs long term the damage has been done and Kawhi or his team clearly doesn’t trust the Spurs medical staff. Any future injury he would suffer would always need to go through Kawhi’s medical staff and the same issue like now could arise again.

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This is a good point

I'm just not sure what to think of all of this. Obviously, we only have piecemeal information and so we don't have a clear picture of what is happening. I'm assuming one of two things is going on: (1) Kawhi is injured and is worried that if he doesn't get 100%, then he will risk losing his big payday...sounds like the tendonopathy or whatever can be a significant long term issue if it isn't resolved and maybe he's spooked because it isn't 100% even with all the rest and rehab; or (2) he may or may not be injured, but he wants out of SA and the powers that be are telling him that even if he doesn't get the super max, he'll make more money from endorsements, etc. if he plays in a larger market.

Under the first scenario, the Spurs are driving the bus because they can super max him. Under the 2nd scenario, Kawhi is driving the bus because the only way to get to a team that could hypothetically get him more endorsements would be to get to California (really one of the LA teams) or New York. That's pretty much it and he can force his way by saying those are the only teams with which he will sign an extension. And the assets from both those teams are less attractive. But I would think the Spurs would prefer to get a haul from NY over LA.

It will be an interesting summer.

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I think it’s absolutely money. I think the Spurs told him last summer that they cannot afford to give him the SuperMax, and it’s been all downhill since then.

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If they told him that I don't blame him wanting out.

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Why would they tell him that?

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I'm all for him being traded to LA. for Ingram an Randle, but the ripple effect of him not being signed is Anderson resigning, paying Danny, begging Ginobili to return, pay Rudy to a 3yr extension, keeping Mills starting at SG, an I pray an I mean I pray that we get a better big off the bench. Laverne has to go point blank period.

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Even Pop realizes this guy is a scrub and only puts him in when the Spurs are up 20 or down 20 in the 4th.

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Why would they tell him that?

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I could see that being the case of the Spurs management being too honest and telling him in advance so it doesn't look like they waited until the last minute to try to guilt him into a cheaper contract. Because the management is aware that a Supermax deal would cripple any small market team chances of building a championship roster

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Kawhi's group and Uncle have been feeding Kawhi every excuse why he should look elsewhere. This has been going on all season.

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Not questioning your take or what you have supposedly heard, but in your opinion, is that not the dumbest line of thinking ever? Pop prioritizing wins over KL's health? that is so retarded

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

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Not questioning your take or what you have supposedly heard, but in your opinion, is that not the dumbest line of thinking ever? Pop prioritizing wins over KL's health? that is so retarded

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I don't buy that narrative at all. Pop has a well-documented history of prioritizing health over wins, from holding Duncan out in 2000 to resting his stars to managing Manu's minutes. He's also given Kawhi time off for nagging injuries when needed.

Nobody knows who made the final call when Kawhi came back for those 9 games, but I sincerely doubt it was Pop forcing Kawhi out on the floor against his will...and Pop's already said several times that they aren't trying to do that now.

Passive aggressive or not, he literally has said, "It's Kawhi's call."

Obviously, there is a sense of urgency since we have 5 games left and still haven't clinched a playoff spot, but Pop will roll with the guys he has if he needs to.

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Why would they tell him that?

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they do not, because that does not make any sense

Hmm interesting scenario is the Spurs go to kawhi and say, sorry no Max. The Spurs don't get an agreement. Next best option is kawhi plays well land gets traded at the deadline or off season. The injury frustrates that. Kawhi, knowing the Spurs won't offer the super Max makes no effort to return.

This is still unlikely as the team wouldn't foreclose the super max unless there was some urgent ownership drama

I am not signing a guy to any contract who needs his own doctors to clear him to play. I am not signing any player to a contract who has sat out a whole year to soft tissue issues/inflammation.

He he is going to screw himself though cause Pop kept the media away from him. When he goes to La or New York shits going to be on him like flies on shit his life will be a living hell.

Trade him to who ever gives us the best picks/players.
1. Get rid of Forbes and Paul ASAP
2. Get rid of Joffrey bring in our foreign Center to replace him and Fosil
3. Retire Tony

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I am not signing a guy to any contract who needs his own doctors to clear him to play. I am not signing any player to a contract who has sat out a whole year to soft tissue issues/inflammation.

He he is going to screw himself though cause Pop kept the media away from him. When he goes to La or New York shits going to be on him like flies on shit his life will be a living hell.

Trade him to who ever gives us the best picks/players.

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Really good points-

The getting cleared by outside doctors thing ought to be a red flag to the Spurs moving forward. As is the given excuse of an injury that isn't repairable by surgery.

The media stuff will wear on him in other big markets I'd think unless he's just flat unhappy here and is willing to forego his quiet nature for more scrutiny to be happy.

As for the trade, I think the writing is on the wall now. But I'll trust PATFO to make the right call on that moving forward. Given your first point, I just can't see Pop or RC putting up with being p'wnd by outside doctors. **That** is definitely not the Spurs way.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

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"Sometimes the truth is less important than what's believed." @4:03.

RC/Pop will resign Kawhi. You don’t get the best 2way player, top 5 player in the league especially in a small market like San Antonio. Kawhi is the best chance for Spurs to compete for the next 7-10 years. Pop will work it out like what he did with LMA last summer and move on.

If anyone knows Pop, you'd know not to expect Kawhi back this season an he's good as gone next season. Pop went on live Tv an called Kawhi out. He allowed Tony an Manu air Kawhi out an didn't do damage control. Then he bunkered down to say Kawhi an his group. You can't make Pop look bad in the media an stay with the Spurs. Not only that, once Pop made it public, that was him telling Kawhi comeback over this franchise is moving on from you. That's if you know Pop... IDC when or if Kawhi gets cleared. Pop meant what he said about bringing him back to late an coming back right before the playoffs.

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I don't buy that narrative at all. Pop has a well-documented history of prioritizing health over wins, from holding Duncan out in 2000 to resting his stars to managing Manu's minutes. He's also given Kawhi time off for nagging injuries when needed.

Nobody knows who made the final call when Kawhi came back for those 9 games, but I sincerely doubt it was Pop forcing Kawhi out on the floor against his will...and Pop's already said several times that they aren't trying to do that now.

Passive aggressive or not, he literally has said, "It's Kawhi's call."

Obviously, there is a sense of urgency since we have 5 games left and still haven't clinched a playoff spot, but Pop will roll with the guys he has if he needs to.

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Sometimes people will make every excuse to justify their beliefs. If Kawhis' Uncle or group truly believes he is better off elsewhere for his shoe deal, for his ability to build a bigger Kawhi brand, then they'll throw in every excuse they can to get what they want.

I don't disagree with your reasons why you don't buy that but you're looking at it through a lens of a fan that doesn't want to see him leave. That lens is a totally different lens from Kawhi's Uncle or group that wants him to continue his career elsewhere.

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Sometimes people will make every excuse to justify their beliefs. If Kawhis' Uncle or group truly believes he is better off elsewhere for his shoe deal, for his ability to build a bigger Kawhi brand, then they'll throw in every excuse they can to get what they want.

I don't disagree with your reasons why you don't buy that but you're looking at it through a lens of a fan that doesn't want to see him leave. That lens is a totally different lens from Kawhi's Uncle or group that wants him to continue his career elsewhere.

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His reasons are bogus. Different lense or not, they are bogus. The only truth is they want out of SA (if that is indeed the truth); there is no legit reason for it.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Sometimes people will make every excuse to justify their beliefs. If Kawhis' Uncle or group truly believes he is better off elsewhere for his shoe deal, for his ability to build a bigger Kawhi brand, then they'll throw in every excuse they can to get what they want.

I don't disagree with your reasons why you don't buy that but you're looking at it through a lens of a fan that doesn't want to see him leave. That lens is a totally different lens from Kawhi's Uncle or group that wants him to continue his career elsewhere.

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How do you know this? Post the link that verifies your claim.

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Originally Posted by BillMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

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Carter proving what I have said before about these black sports analyst being racially biased and have their on agenda which is not promoting the truth. Carter coming with the bs narrative that Pop doesn't care about Kawhi's health and wants him to play because he needs Kawhi to keep the 50 win streak going. Carter bases this off of Kawhi's team telling him that which is a bunch of bs that's not even believable knowing Pop's history about being super cautious about bringing guys back from injury. Nick Wright then plays along the spurs are in disarray by citing Stephen Jackson as a credible source on what's going on which is laughable. I laughed at the end when Carter said "We as the group" implying that he's part of Kawh's team. Proving another point I have made earlier that a lot of these guys including Carter, Jalen Rose, are auditioning to be Kawhi's insider. It's obvious Carter want's to be Kawhi's Brian Windhorst.

Not strange to see both sides trying to set the narrative. Like I told you earlier Kawhi's uncle declared war on the Spurs and now the Spurs are on the defensive trying to defend their reputation.

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I don't buy that narrative at all. Pop has a well-documented history of prioritizing health over wins, from holding Duncan out in 2000 to resting his stars to managing Manu's minutes. He's also given Kawhi time off for nagging injuries when needed.

Nobody knows who made the final call when Kawhi came back for those 9 games, but I sincerely doubt it was Pop forcing Kawhi out on the floor against his will...and Pop's already said several times that they aren't trying to do that now.

Passive aggressive or not, he literally has said, "It's Kawhi's call."

Obviously, there is a sense of urgency since we have 5 games left and still haven't clinched a playoff spot, but Pop will roll with the guys he has if he needs to.

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Very strange video. Cris Carter seems to think he's in Kawhi group at the end of the video. If he really is, then everything he said here doesn't look good for the Spurs retaining Kawhi.

I mentioned in another thread, but Carter was represented by Impact Sports Management, which also represents Kawhi.

http://impactse.com/the-company/

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Impact Sports represents the likes of Lavonte David, Robert Quinn, Travis Benjamin, Laquon Treadwell and Brandon Flowers among its roughly forty NFL clients. Additionally, it has grown a basketball division in the recent past, with its marquee client being San Antonio Spurs forward Kawhi Leonard.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenh.../#5959c682701a

Carter seems to think there is some big announcement coming, but not until the end of the season. He was really fucking smug in that video. I didn't like it at all.

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Originally Posted by bklynspursfan

I mentioned in another thread, but Carter was represented by Impact Sports Management, which also represents Kawhi.

http://impactse.com/the-company/



https://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenh.../#5959c682701a

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I remember you posting this before. I really do hope he's not as clued in as he thinks and that he's wrong. I don't know, though. His smugness at the end of the video was really annoying. It really disgusted me.

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His reasons are bogus. Different lense or not, they are bogus. The only truth is they want out of SA (if that is indeed the truth); there is no legit reason for it.

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The only opinions that matter are the opinions of Kawhi and his group. We can disagree with them til we are blue in the face and be right -- and that doesn't matter.

It's like when a girl breaks up with a man or woman because she likes or finds someone else more attractive -- and then uses bullshit excuses to justify her actions whether they be true or not.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

His reasons are bogus. Different lense or not, they are bogus. The only truth is they want out of SA (if that is indeed the truth); there is no legit reason for it.

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His reasons are bogus in your eyes but these are human beings who look after themselves more than anything. Its a me me first situation.

Its a job for kawhi and his family and if they feel like somewhere else provides a better opportunity they will male up all sorts of excuses.

Just like any human being.

One question I have, why does he need to be rehabbing in New York? Does he somehow get better treatment rehabbing in NY? I wouldn't think so, but curious why he'd be there instead of San Antonio. Is he going there to try and get clearance from his medical team? If not, I don't see why he needs to rehab there.

If Kawhi does end up leaving because of his uncle and clowns like Cris Carter (who is supposedly on his team and appears to be using his power in the the media to spread lies about the Spurs), then I'm going to end up dropping off both of those two at a car wash in Compton.

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

His reasons are bogus in your eyes but these are human beings who look after themselves more than anything. Its a me me first situation.

Its a job for kawhi and his family and if they feel like somewhere else provides a better opportunity they will male up all sorts of excuses.

Just like any human being.

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You are free to think things; that does not make them right. If it is a job, then no place can pay Kawhi more than SA can. It’s been proven over and over for those that seek it out, the market doesn’t matter for endorsements any more. Lebron in CLE. Russ/KD in OKC. There are numerous examples of smaller markets getting big endorsement money not to mention the guaranteed salary Sa can offer.

Saying that he wants to make more money is bogus. Saying the doctors messed up is bogus. Saying his teammates are good enough is bogus.

He’s free to leave obviously but just say the truth; you don’t like living in SA or that you dislike your coach or whatever. The other stuff is just lies even though someone is free to push those lies to make themselves feel better.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

The only opinions that matter are the opinions of Kawhi and his group. We can disagree with them til we are blue in the face and be right -- and that doesn't matter.

It's like when a girl breaks up with a man or woman because she likes or finds someone else more attractive -- and then uses bullshit excuses to justify her actions whether they be true or not.

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I agree. I’m not arguing the fact that he might leave. I’m saying I’m not buying the reasons they are pushing.

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Originally Posted by Ice009

Carter seems to think there is some big announcement coming, but not until the end of the season. He was really fucking smug in that video. I didn't like it at all.



I remember you posting this before. I really do hope he's not as clued in as he thinks and that he's wrong. I don't know, though. His smugness at the end of the video was really annoying. It really disgusted me.

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I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.

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One question I have, why does he need to be rehabbing in New York? Does he somehow get better treatment rehabbing in NY? I wouldn't think so, but curious why he'd be there instead of San Antonio. Is he going there to try and get clearance from his medical team? If not, I don't see why he needs to rehab there.

If Kawhi does end up leaving because of his uncle and clowns like Cris Carter (who is supposedly on his team and appears to be using his power in the the media to spread lies about the Spurs), then I'm going to end up dropping off both of those two at a car wash in Compton.

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I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

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Pop didn't really shut him down... Remember he got some criticism (unwarranted I'm) for playing Kawhi after his second sprain

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I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.



I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

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It could be that or it could be that if he’s in NY under the guise of rehab, that there will be no expectation of him showing up to games, etc..

So far he’s had a sick daughter, now a trip to NY to rehab, etc..Could all be coincidence but harder to believe at this point. Seems like some excuses to stay away from the team after being called out for doing so and understanding the optics are bad.

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I'm just not sure what to think of all of this. Obviously, we only have piecemeal information and so we don't have a clear picture of what is happening. I'm assuming one of two things is going on: (1) Kawhi is injured and is worried that if he doesn't get 100%, then he will risk losing his big payday...sounds like the tendonopathy or whatever can be a significant long term issue if it isn't resolved and maybe he's spooked because it isn't 100% even with all the rest and rehab; or (2) he may or may not be injured, but he wants out of SA and the powers that be are telling him that even if he doesn't get the super max, he'll make more money from endorsements, etc. if he plays in a larger market.

Under the first scenario, the Spurs are driving the bus because they can super max him. Under the 2nd scenario, Kawhi is driving the bus because the only way to get to a team that could hypothetically get him more endorsements would be to get to California (really one of the LA teams) or New York. That's pretty much it and he can force his way by saying those are the only teams with which he will sign an extension. And the assets from both those teams are less attractive. But I would think the Spurs would prefer to get a haul from NY over LA.

It will be an interesting summer.

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Second scenario makes no sense... He can play and demand a trade if that was his intention... As opposed to having teams think he has a serious injury, thus lowering his value... And missing out on endorsement deals by losing a year off his prime

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I am not signing a guy to any contract who needs his own doctors to clear him to play. I am not signing any player to a contract who has sat out a whole year to soft tissue issues/inflammation.

He he is going to screw himself though cause Pop kept the media away from him. When he goes to La or New York shits going to be on him like flies on shit his life will be a living hell.

Trade him to who ever gives us the best picks/players.
1. Get rid of Forbes and Paul ASAP
2. Get rid of Joffrey bring in our foreign Center to replace him and Fosil
3. Retire Tony

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You think Kawhi doesn't know the media elsewhere is tough? U think u have that info and he is oblivious?

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Second scenario makes no sense... He can play and demand a trade if that was his intention... As opposed to having teams think he has a serious injury, thus lowering his value... And missing out on endorsement deals by losing a year off his prime

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He was injured, but at this point, who knows what is going on with him and what the guys in the background are whispering to him. They could be poisoning him on the Spurs and how they have talked about him to the media and they could be telling him don't come back and force a trade in the off season. Yes it makes no sense, but these relatives that think they are on the same level as agents have no idea what they are doing.

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Second scenario makes no sense... He can play and demand a trade if that was his intention... As opposed to having teams think he has a serious injury, thus lowering his value... And missing out on endorsement deals by losing a year off his prime

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It makes perfect sense. Look at Isiah Thomas. The basketball contract for Kawhi will far exceed any Jordan Deal. The objective is the largest basketball contract and the only way to jeopardize THAT money is to pick up an injury and give a team leverage.

Right now Kawhi knows that as long as he makes it to contract time healthy, especially with SA’s doctors clearing him, he’s a lock for that offer.

Whether he takes it or not is entirely different.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

It makes perfect sense. Look at Isiah Thomas. The basketball contract for Kawhi will far exceed any Jordan Deal. The objective is the largest basketball contract and the only way to jeopardize THAT money is to pick up an injury and give a team leverage.

Right now Kawhi knows that as long as he makes it to contract time healthy, especially with SA’s doctors clearing him, he’s a lock for that offer.

Whether he takes it or not is entirely different.

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That makes no sense... He is injured NOW! This is the exact scenario u said would jeopardize a team signing him for super max

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I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.



I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

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Yes they have been conservative with injuries for 20 years, but that doesn't mean they can't change pop and the FO had made decisions recently that they wouldn't have ten years ago...

Secondly, it's no secret that Pop, Manu, and Tony have a bond that is super strong... Their desire to send them out with a fighting chance may be affecting their decisions

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That makes no sense... He is injured NOW! This is the exact scenario u said would jeopardize a team signing him for super max

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So based on this and your post after you are saying that Pop/SA would risk his career. Got it.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

You are free to think things; that does not make them right. If it is a job, then no place can pay Kawhi more than SA can. It’s been proven over and over for those that seek it out, the market doesn’t matter for endorsements any more. Lebron in CLE. Russ/KD in OKC. There are numerous examples of smaller markets getting big endorsement money not to mention the guaranteed salary Sa can offer.

Saying that he wants to make more money is bogus. Saying the doctors messed up is bogus. Saying his teammates are good enough is bogus.

He’s free to leave obviously but just say the truth; you don’t like living in SA or that you dislike your coach or whatever. The other stuff is just lies even though someone is free to push those lies to make themselves feel better.

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Except that San Antonio is not OKC or CLE.

Russ and Lebron both had the freedom to do whatever they want which made them very marketbale. Just look at Duncan, for a player lf his caliber he never reach Russ or heck even Kyrie level endorsment.

Its the San Antonio narrative "boring". He gets away from it and you can bet he is going to make more.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

You are free to think things; that does not make them right. If it is a job, then no place can pay Kawhi more than SA can. It’s been proven over and over for those that seek it out, the market doesn’t matter for endorsements any more. Lebron in CLE. Russ/KD in OKC. There are numerous examples of smaller markets getting big endorsement money not to mention the guaranteed salary Sa can offer.

Saying that he wants to make more money is bogus. Saying the doctors messed up is bogus. Saying his teammates are good enough is bogus.

He’s free to leave obviously but just say the truth; you don’t like living in SA or that you dislike your coach or whatever. The other stuff is just lies even though someone is free to push those lies to make themselves feel better.

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I agree. If he does want to leave, it sounds like they're making up lies as excuses for him to leave. That is bullshit. The Spurs wouldn't compromise his health. If they didn't think he could play, they would tell him not to play.

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I agree. I’m not arguing the fact that he might leave. I’m saying I’m not buying the reasons they are pushing.

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Yep. If they want to discredit the Spurs with made up BS because they want to leave, I hope the Spurs fire back and totally roast these guys.

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I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.



I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

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Yeah, Cris Carter's reason's are idiotic. The Spurs would never force a player to play just to keep up a streak. When has Pop ever done that? The main reason they want him for the playoffs is because they believe they have a real shot of winning it with him if he plays. They would also have to believe he's healthy enough to play and can't make the injury any worse. If Kawhi and his people want to spread BS because he wants out, then I hope the Spurs hit back hard and defend themselves.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

It could be that or it could be that if he’s in NY under the guise of rehab, that there will be no expectation of him showing up to games, etc..

So far he’s had a sick daughter, now a trip to NY to rehab, etc..Could all be coincidence but harder to believe at this point. Seems like some excuses to stay away from the team after being called out for doing so and understanding the optics are bad.

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I would hope if that was the case, PATFO would have some idea then. This and the last piece about him being in NYC both stated the Spurs had personnel there with him to monitor the situation and observe him. If he wasn't serious about rehabbing and actually attempting a comeback, I would like to think they'd relay that back to PATFO.

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

Yes they have been conservative with injuries for 20 years, but that doesn't mean they can't change pop and the FO had made decisions recently that they wouldn't have ten years ago...

Secondly, it's no secret that Pop, Manu, and Tony have a bond that is super strong... Their desire to send them out with a fighting chance may be affecting their decisions

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They still haven't. I mean they kept Kawhi out Game 6 in the Rockets game. They kept him out in the WCF when he likely could have played. They kept out Gay a little longer with his recent injury, TP wasn't playing b2b's and they were conservative with his return. They literally have sacrificed games to keep guys healthy.

The only thing affecting their decision is the fact that their doctors cleared Kawhi. It may be unfair because perhaps Kawhi feels something that the docs can't see/detect. But i mean those guys are competitors, of course they want their best player out there with them

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Except that San Antonio is not OKC or CLE.

Russ and Lebron both had the freedom to do whatever they want which made them very marketbale. Just look at Duncan, for a player lf his caliber he never reach Russ or heck even Kyrie level endorsment.

Its the San Antonio narrative "boring". He gets away from it and you can bet he is going to make more.

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Nah. Tim easily could have made more in SA. He chose not to pursue that. Same with Kawhi. The reason others make more is not because SA is boring; it’s because Kawhi does not want the franchise leader responsibility off the court (interviews, marketing yourself a lot).

That may be changing, but has nothing to do with SA.

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I would hope if that was the case, PATFO would have some idea then. This and the last piece about him being in NYC both stated the Spurs had personnel there with him to monitor the situation and observe him. If he wasn't serious about rehabbing and actually attempting a comeback, I would like to think they'd relay that back to PATFO.

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I’m not saying he’s not rehabbing; I’m saying that it’s also a nice built in reason to not attend games/team events etc..

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Nah. Tim easily could have made more in SA. He chose not to pursue that. Same with Kawhi. The reason others make more is not because SA is boring; it’s because Kawhi does not want the franchise leader responsibility off the court (interviews, marketing yourself a lot).

That may be changing, but has nothing to do with SA.

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Even Manu who is labled as exciting tend to have very little drama around him.

SA doesnt like drama.

People do and that tramslates to money.

Tim duncan accepted endorsements. But he wasnt in any ones top list because to be a top dog in San Antonio requires a narrative..a narrarive that doesnt translate to cash

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I’m not saying he’s not rehabbing; I’m saying that it’s also a nice built in reason to not attend games/team events etc..

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Yea.. If it means there's a slim chance he can still return, then so be it. We already played NY and Brooklyn, otherwise it'd be interesting to see if he would show up there lol

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Carter seems to think there is some big announcement coming, but not until the end of the season. He was really fucking smug in that video. I didn't like it at all.



I remember you posting this before. I really do hope he's not as clued in as he thinks and that he's wrong. I don't know, though. His smugness at the end of the video was really annoying. It really disgusted me.

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The announcement might be a trade demand that Kawhi can't do now since the trade deadline has passed and it s better PR to just sit injured until then. But who knows really....

HATE CC's smugness. It's like he is or pretends to be 1) completely in Kawhi's camp and 2) completely on Kawhi's side with no journalistic objectivity.

Try to get Porzinigis or Simmons and a nice draft pick or Walker or Wiggins and several nice draft picks and close this distraction in June/July.

The Suns have a shit load of first round picks not sure they have any player we would want

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Nah. Tim easily could have made more in SA. He chose not to pursue that. Same with Kawhi. The reason others make more is not because SA is boring; it’s because Kawhi does not want the franchise leader responsibility off the court (interviews, marketing yourself a lot).

That may be changing, but has nothing to do with SA.

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I agree with this. Tim Duncan didn't get a lot of marketing in S.A. mostly by choice and also the fact that he is a 7 footer than is know for having no flash. That isn't the kind of guy that is highly marketable. Kawhi has a more marketable game, but he has no personality. That said, it is possible that the persons who are guiding him (who aren't agents and have no experience) probably just believe that the only way for him to be marketable is to go to LA or NY.

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Try to get Porzinigis or Simmons and a nice draft pick or Walker or Wiggins and several nice draft picks and close this distraction in June/July.

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Interesting you mentioned Simmons because I've never really consciously thought about getting him, but you've jogged a memory of a dream I had a couple of weeks ago with Ben Simmons being on the court for the Spurs and there was no Kawhi to be found in it.

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Interesting you mentioned Simmons because I've never really consciously thought about getting him, but you've jogged a memory of a dream I had a couple of weeks ago with Ben Simmons being on the court for the Spurs and there was no Kawhi to be found in it.

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Let's hope it was a premonition my friend.

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Let's hope it was a premonition my friend.

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Well now that I've thought about, I'd be very interested. Let's see if it turns out to be true. I thought it was a strange dream and fell asleep again. Didn't remember it until you mentioned his name.

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Well now that I've thought about, I'd be very interested. Let's see if it turns out to be true. I thought it was a strange dream and fell asleep again. Didn't remember it until you mentioned his name.

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Was it in color or just black and silver?

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I agree with this. Tim Duncan didn't get a lot of marketing in S.A. mostly by choice and also the fact that he is a 7 footer than is know for having no flash. That isn't the kind of guy that is highly marketable. Kawhi has a more marketable game, but he has no personality. That said, it is possible that the persons who are guiding him (who aren't agents and have no experience) probably just believe that the only way for him to be marketable is to go to LA or NY.

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Agreed. Tim didn't actively seek out endorsements. I remember hearing several years ago when the Mavs won the title that Dirk got tons of endorsement offers but rejected a ton of them simply because he didn't really care about the extra money and just valued his time. I put Tim in the same mold as Dirk when it came to not actively seeking endorsements. You can still get tons of endorsements in small markets as Lebron and Kevin Garnett have proven in the past but you have to have a personality to get them which Kawhi doesn't have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI9rN4DtoaE

Exactly what i said would happen. Ghetto going ghetto on class. Trade this bum

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The Suns have a shit load of first round picks not sure they have any player we would want

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The Suns have a legit shot at the #1 pick this year. If they get it (and win the Deandre Ayton sweepstakes), pairing him with Booker, Josh Jackson, Chriss, Peyton, etc. They could be damn good in 2-3 years.

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The Suns have a legit shot at the #1 pick this year. If they get it (and win the Deandre Ayton sweepstakes), pairing him with Booker, Josh Jackson, Chriss, Peyton, etc. They could be damn good in 2-3 years.

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det core

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxz-OhTuo1M

Brian thinks there is hope.

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

Even Manu who is labled as exciting tend to have very little drama around him.

SA doesnt like drama.

People do and that tramslates to money.

Tim duncan accepted endorsements. But he wasnt in any ones top list because to be a top dog in San Antonio requires a narrative..a narrarive that doesnt translate to cash

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New spurs fans dont understand the drama free thing. Nba equals classless. But what do you expect? Its why posters like timdumbken keep posting sarcastically about culture. This is what happens when you dont get culture right. Bunch of stupidity.

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Originally Posted by r0drig0lac

they do not, because that does not make any sense

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They could have told him that they would not discuss it till the end of season though. Neither yes or no. This would make perfect sense to me. KL's management then would've said (or acted) if you can't tell us now, we will look at options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RBFggSaHkE

In one breath Sean says he doesn't know, in another he says Kawhi is happy here. Who knows....

That's a nice clip from Sean. He makes a distinction between giving you his opinion and being an insider and knowing what is going on with Kiwi's group.