Kiwi trade option: Screw prospects

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Originally Posted by TD 21

I realize there's such a thing as a sign and trade, but Randle and George are free agents and the latter would never sign here, just like Leonard would never extend with the Suns, which is why they wouldn't trade for him.

Forget about premiere young assets, like Simmons and Booker; teams aren't trading them. If it comes to it, the centerpiece of the package should and more than likely would be a young player, whose already shown they're a core player and has flashed star potential (think Brown, Tatum, etc.). Anything else would be too risky.

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George was widely rumored to be open to re-signing with SA had they completed the trade for him. Kyrie apparently wanted SA. While a good deal of that might have been due to Kawhi, SA showing really well without Leonard while also adding Walker should bode well for their overall attractiveness. From SA's perspective, making those aforementioned moves puts the team in position to keep a strong core around Walker/George/Aldridge while also avoiding the luxury tax. Unlikely, yes, but I would put that team at number 3 on paper.

https://clipperholics.com/2018/04/03/kawhi-leonard-los-angeles-clippers-real-possibility/

Kawhi Leonard to the Los Angeles Clippers is a real possibility


by Ryan Snellings

Clipper owner Steve Ballmer seems to like the idea.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

George was widely rumored to be open to re-signing with SA had they completed the trade for him. Kyrie apparently wanted SA. While a good deal of that might have been due to Kawhi, SA showing really well without Leonard while also adding Walker should bode well for their overall attractiveness. From SA's perspective, making those aforementioned moves puts the team in position to keep a strong core around Walker/George/Aldridge while also avoiding the luxury tax. Unlikely, yes, but I would put that team at number 3 on paper.

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Find it odd that two stars bigger then Kawhi wanted or were interested in committing long term..yet Kawhi rumored to bolt to become a “bigger star”

Tbh I don’t buy it...but whatever

We’re there is smoke there is fire and the house is burning. Glad to see teams are starting to get into the hunt the more teams the better deal the Spurs can get.

All this crazy shit started after his uncle took over I wonder if he is related to Ball?

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Trade him and Pau to OKC for PG. Move whatever you need to to turn Mills into Walker.

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Yes please.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

George was widely rumored to be open to re-signing with SA had they completed the trade for him. Kyrie apparently wanted SA. While a good deal of that might have been due to Kawhi, SA showing really well without Leonard while also adding Walker should bode well for their overall attractiveness. From SA's perspective, making those aforementioned moves puts the team in position to keep a strong core around Walker/George/Aldridge while also avoiding the luxury tax. Unlikely, yes, but I would put that team at number 3 on paper.

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Originally Posted by coachmac87

Find it odd that two stars bigger then Kawhi wanted or were interested in committing long term..yet Kawhi rumored to bolt to become a “bigger star”

Tbh I don’t buy it...but whatever

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Paul George always said he was LA bound... he actually tried to dissuade other teams in trading for him to pressure Indiana to take whatever LA was offering... I can't recall the details well, but it was clear he said LA...

Kyrie most likely wanted out of the situation he was in no matter what and wanted to go to a good team, since he wants to have both his own team and win outside of Lebron's shadow... he wasn't about to welcome being sent to the Magic for example... he wanted a good organization. He's happy now where he is and I think he is in the Celtics future... both those I don't consider realistic.

Walker is more realistic...

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Trade him and Pau to OKC for PG. Move whatever you need to to turn Mills into Walker.

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You saying PG does a sign & trade?

:lmao At teams will inquire being "news" (as if it wasn't obvious or means it's any more likely to happen). I know the media loves to sensationalize, but it's also clear they're enjoying every bit of this.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

George was widely rumored to be open to re-signing with SA had they completed the trade for him. Kyrie apparently wanted SA. While a good deal of that might have been due to Kawhi, SA showing really well without Leonard while also adding Walker should bode well for their overall attractiveness. From SA's perspective, making those aforementioned moves puts the team in position to keep a strong core around Walker/George/Aldridge while also avoiding the luxury tax. Unlikely, yes, but I would put that team at number 3 on paper.

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I don't think the Spurs "showing really well" without Leonard bodes well for their overall attractiveness. Unfortunately, I think it reinforces this misguided notion that they can plug and play "anyone in that system", which is exactly what most superstars and stars don't want: Someone else receiving equal or greater credit to them.

I also think, again unfortunately, this whole fiasco, particularly if it ends in Leonard's requesting a trade, will reinforce the perception that they don't know how to appeal to or deal with "African-American" superstars or stars.

Whatever interest Irving and maybe George had, was more than likely contingent on Leonard's being here.

I like the Clippers trade right now they own the 12th and 13th pick

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Originally Posted by TD 21

:lmao At teams will inquire being "news" (as if it wasn't obvious or means it's any more likely to happen). I know the media loves to sensationalize, but it's also clear they're enjoying every bit of this.





I don't think the Spurs "showing really well" without Leonard bodes well for their overall attractiveness. Unfortunately, I think it reinforces this misguided notion that they can plug and play "anyone in that system", which is exactly what most superstars and stars don't want: Someone else receiving equal or greater credit to them.

I also think, again unfortunately, this whole fiasco, particularly if it ends in Leonard's requesting a trade, will reinforce the perception that they don't know how to appeal to or deal with "African-American" superstars or stars.

Whatever interest Irving and maybe George had, was more than likely contingent on Leonard's being here.

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Winning sells more than anything...

You gotta put yourself out there..I’d buy the marketing narrative but I’m sorry Kawhi doesn’t have it..and I haven’t seen anything to show me otherwise.

Plus he’d be feeding off the “Laker Brand” and building his “Own Brand”

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Originally Posted by coachmac87

Find it odd that two stars bigger then Kawhi wanted or were interested in committing long term..yet Kawhi rumored to bolt to become a “bigger star”

Tbh I don’t buy it...but whatever

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I do think those stars wanted to play with Kawhi. However, I also think they'd want to play with each other and Gay. It's not the same pitch as last year, but Kemba, PG and LMA all fit really well together and can win a title with the right role-players while avoiding the superteam stigma. It's a pretty sweet gig.

Also, Kawhi probably wouldn't want to leave because of market.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

You saying PG does a sign & trade?

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I think he would, yes. No one in their right mind should think LAL is a better basketball choice. If playing with Russ is persuasive to him, I can't imagine what playing SA with Pop would be. People think the situation with LMA hurts the team's chances. But I think it's the opposite. The team has long since been viewed as completely at Pop's whim. To see him willingly concede to Aldridge and for both to be better for it implies he's okay with guys speaking out and working with him to build the offense.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Paul George always said he was LA bound... he actually tried to dissuade other teams in trading for him to pressure Indiana to take whatever LA was offering... I can't recall the details well, but it was clear he said LA...

Kyrie most likely wanted out of the situation he was in no matter what and wanted to go to a good team, since he wants to have both his own team and win outside of Lebron's shadow... he wasn't about to welcome being sent to the Magic for example... he wanted a good organization. He's happy now where he is and I think he is in the Celtics future... both those I don't consider realistic.

Walker is more realistic...

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The point I was trying to make was not that Kyrie makes sense. It's that the Spurs are attractive enough to other players. They've signed coveted free agents three years in a row in addition to multiple players putting them on their trade wish-list. I don't think PG is any less inclined to give them a chance, especially if they complete a Walker trade before/during the draft and already have him on board for recruiting. Walker, Aldridge, Green and Gay are a pretty good tandem for the process, and if Murray survives on the roster at that time, he'd also be excellent. I don't think PG without Kemba (or another youngish All-Star PG) could happen, but with that squared away, yes.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

The point I was trying to make was not that Kyrie makes sense. It's that the Spurs are attractive enough to other players. They've signed coveted free agents three years in a row in addition to multiple players putting them on their trade wish-list. I don't think PG is any less inclined to give them a chance, especially if they complete a Walker trade before/during the draft and already have him on board for recruiting. Walker, Aldridge, Green and Gay are a pretty good tandem for the process, and if Murray survives on the roster at that time, he'd also be excellent. I don't think PG without Kemba (or another youngish All-Star PG) could happen, but with that squared away, yes.

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Am I in dreamland thinking we can get Simmons or Porzingis and a first round pick?

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Originally Posted by BillMc

Am I in dreamland thinking we can get Simmons or Porzingis and a first round pick?

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Not if you mean Jon and one of KP's family members.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Not if you mean Jon and one of KP's family members.

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Sadly, I didn't. :lol

What the Fuck you Smoking? Give me some of that shit. !!

A podcast where McCollum talks about wine, books, and seems cultured? A new trade target has entered.

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Originally Posted by BackHome

What the Fuck you Smoking? Give me some of that shit. !!

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Me? Just sleep deprivation waiting for the game to start.

There's only a few players you can trade Kawhil for straight up:

LBJ (age is a factor, but he's still the premier player right now and has 2-3 strong years in him minimum), Harden, Westbrook, Durbeta, Brow, Steph Curry and Greek.

There is another tier of guys who you'd take with a decent 1st rounder, which are generally younger guys with a few all-stars under their belts or proven on the way up. Guys like KAT, or Lillard, Butler, PG13 and Wall

There are the guys with lots of talent but might be unproven, a little older or injury prone that you need to package with a decent player or so and/or a pick or so: Embids, Oladipos, Porzingis, Gay Thompson/Donkey, Blake, ETC.

Then you have heavy upside guys (or are 1 side players), older guys that are on big contracts but not as hot as they were and other 4th tier players/youngsters that will be the centerpieces of big packages: Ben Simmons, Jabari Parkers, Zach Levines, CJ McCollums, Goberts and so on...

IF we have to trade Pussy McQuad, I don't want to see anything lower than the second pool unless the offer from a third or fourth tier is a stupid no-brainer.

Kawhi for Anthony Davis straight-up. That’s the only trade I want. Davis/Boggie is pretty redundant but Boggie/Kawhi could make serious damage that Pel FO might consider. LMA/Gay/Davis/Green/Murray will be sick.

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Originally Posted by NASpurs

A podcast where McCollum talks about wine, books, and seems cultured? A new trade target has entered.

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Nah.

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Originally Posted by Chucho

trade Pussy McQuad, this is a stupid no-brainer.

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Originally Posted by NASpurs

A podcast where McCollum talks about wine, books, and seems cultured? A new trade target has entered.

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There has been a rumor that if the blazer pair splits up CJ is the one likely headed out... While I like CJ I'd hate to see a Kiwi/Lillard show in Portland.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

There has been a rumor that if the blazer pair splits up CJ is the one likely headed out... While I like CJ I'd hate to see a Kiwi/Lillard show in Portland.

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Trade Kawhil for Lillard. LMA would love that. :lol