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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
Agree. The Spurs want Kawhi trust them unconditionally when their doctors mishandled his injury.
It's easier to talk about his uncle as a Lavar-type guy than admitting a team-medical staff's mistake
How come Kawhi’s team who’s been in charge has not fared any better? They said he would be back soon and apparently he suffered setbacks under them.
Does it have to be either/or? Can Kawhi’s camp not be handling things poorly and there also be injury concerns?
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
MoSpur02
Kawhi is a top 5 maybe even top 3 player who deserves that super max IF HEALTHY. That's the only reason I don't off that money yet.
Really? Is Kawhi's quad injured? I remember your sources telling you that he didn't play because a mental issue.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
Agree. The Spurs want Kawhi trust them unconditionally when their doctors mishandled his injury.
It's easier to talk about his uncle as a Lavar-type guy than admitting a team-medical staff's mistake
Predictable.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
MoSpur02
Predictable.
asswipers wiping for uncle now :lol
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
Really? Is Kawhi's quad injured? I remember your sources telling you that he didn't play because a mental issue.
I said that he may be injured, but that the sense was it might be mental issue as well. Either way I'm not investing that much money in someone who sat out all season due to mental or physical issues.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
How come Kawhi’s team who’s been in charge has not fared any better? They said he would be back soon and apparently he suffered setbacks under them.
Because he couldn't get offseason treatments until now? Those offseason treatments he didn't receive in the summer because Spurs' doctors mishandled his injury?
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Does it have to be either/or? Can Kawhi’s camp not be handling things poorly and there also be injury concerns?
During months I have said the real issue was his injury.
If people believe in an article saying his uncle isn't acting very pro, people should believe what the same article says about the two different diagnoses and how the Spurs overreacted to the player asking for a 2nd doctor's opinion.
Many players are working with outside doctors right now, why this is a big deal for Pop?
Spurs' way maybe it's just an old way.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
Leonard basically has degenerative arthritis but of the tendon instead of the joint. He's done. You all better hope he gets traded to some ignorant overly ambitious team while he's still worth a lot.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
Because he couldn't get offseason treatments until now? Those offseason treatments he didn't receive in the summer because Spurs' doctors mishandled his injury?
During months I have said the real issue was his injury.
If people believe in an article saying his uncle isn't acting very pro, people should believe what the same article says about the two different diagnoses and how the Spurs overreacted to the player asking for a 2nd doctor's opinion.
Many players are working with outside doctors right now, why this is a big deal for Pop?
Spurs' way maybe it's just an old way.
They said SA and what’s normal is getting second opinions. They said what is odd is how Kawhi’s camp cut SA out basically and assumed total control.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
E20
I feel really bad for Kawhi. He suffers from some sort of mental disability and his group is taking advantage of that.
He's probably oblivious to everything going on. He probably thinks everything is fine and he's in New York because of some sort of super secret mission he's being sent on, little does he know Uncle Dennis is fucking him over.
You guys are reading him wrong. Waaay wrong.
If you read the Instagram posts from his sister, she actually gives some good insight into Kawhi's state of mind. She says that he tells her to ignore all the negativity.
He is not some dumb jock. That doesn't mean I agree with how he and his representation have behaved at times. I don't. But to simply dismiss him as a bumbling moron is not helpful to understanding what is really happening here.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
MoSpur02
I said that he may be injured, but that the sense was it might be mental issue as well. Either way I'm not investing that much money in someone who sat out all season due to mental or physical issues.
"due to mental..." For real? Again? I wonder why it's too hard to admit your "sources" were wrong.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
Stabula
Leonard basically has degenerative arthritis but of the tendon instead of the joint. He's done. You all better hope he gets traded to some ignorant overly ambitious team while he's still worth a lot.
Yup this is my concern. Can't super max a guy with a chronic injury who has missed an entire season until one knows he can play. In fact the "misdiagnosis" is nothing but a difference in medical opinion about an injury that is not resolved and is unclear even under new medical care. In PATFO we trust but I am very uncomfortable about his medical condition. I can't even belive him assuring he will be fine for training camp bc he's already tried to come back all season and can't...
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
"due to mental..." For real? Again? I wonder why it's too hard to admit your "sources" were wrong.
They're not wrong. Some of these issues are due to lack of communication and the fact that Kawhi isn't calling the shots, which is what I said. I also said that the Spurs were considering trading him, which they were. I also stated that it was causing problems in the locker room, which is true. So how are my sources wrong?
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
They said SA and what’s normal is getting second opinions. They said what is odd is how Kawhi’s camp cut SA out basically and assumed total control.
"The treatment course for each diagnosis (a muscle issue vs. a tendon issue) is different, which has become another source of tension in the relationship."
Because SA doctors' misdiagnosed it and didn't admit he had other type of injury? I guess it's hard to work with doctors that want to use different treatments for a different injury.
If this is true, I get Kawhi's doctors' mistrust in team's doctors.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
In the end it’s not worth keeping him we all got extremely lucky with Robinson and Timmy. Shit happens and you got to realize that when your girls fucks some random dude you don’t take the bitch back you tell her ass to hit the road. Bye Uncle Felicia
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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MoSpur02
So how are my sources wrong?
Because your sources said he wasnt playing due to a mental issue. They were wrong, he had issues with his quad. A physical injury.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
BackHome
In the end it’s not worth keeping him we all got extremely lucky with Robinson and Timmy. Shit happens and you got to realize that when your girls fucks some random dude you don’t take the bitch back you tell her ass to hit the road. Bye Uncle Felicia
Yup this describes how I feel about the situation.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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MoSpur02
I also stated that it was causing problems in the locker room, which is true.
After Pop, Manu/Parker comments, right?
Also, I said SAS old locker room leaders didn't want him on the bench a week before you said his teammates wouldn't like to see him there.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
Sources tell the Express-News Leonard would have no problem being coached by Brown...
Very telling nugget thrown in at the end of that article.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
Kawhi has been using his own doctors since August 8th. His group is on their 3rd doctors opinion & rehab.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
"The treatment course for each diagnosis (a muscle issue vs. a tendon issue) is different, which has become another source of tension in the relationship."
Because SA doctors' misdiagnosed it and didn't admit he had other type of injury? I guess it's hard to work with doctors that want to use different treatments for a different injury.
If this is true, I get Kawhi's doctors' mistrust in team's doctors.
That really doesn’t get to what I was talking about with regards to the reports coming out. You can distrust them all you want and even had their support in getting a 2nd (and now 3rd opinion). They aren’t ok, even if you dont’ trust them to cut them out.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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MaNu4Tres
Kawhi has been using his own doctors since August 8th. His group is on their 3rd doctors opinion & rehab.
Looking for a diagnosis, indubitably.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
MaNu4Tres
Kawhi has been using his own doctors since August 8th. His group is on their 3rd doctors opinion & rehab.
Even less reassuring.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
After Pop, Manu/Parker comments, right?
Also, I said SAS old locker room leaders didn't want him on the bench a week before you said his teammates wouldn't like to see him there.
Do you believe the reports that Kawhi has been with his own doctors since August and if so, does that change your point of view?
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
They aren’t ok, even if you dont’ trust them to cut them out.
I didn't say it's ok but if this true I get why they do it.
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Re: Inside the tension between Kawhi Leonard and the Spurs - Woj
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
After Pop, Manu/Parker comments, right?
Also, I said SAS old locker room leaders didn't want him on the bench a week before you said his teammates wouldn't like to see him there.
No. Way before Manu or Parker made any kind of comments. There has been discord since before the All Star break.
I believe and trust my source because they have nothing to gain out of telling me this info.