NFL’s Proposed National Anthem Rules: Penalties for Kneeling Being Considered

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...cid=spartandhp

:lol an idea being floated in the room

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...-anthem-policyNew policy requires on-field players, personnel to stand for anthem

I'm pretty sure this would result in players from both teams kneeling resulting in offsetting penalties.
Unless they're going to assess 15 yards per kneeler.

Bellicheck would have his players start to kneel and then at the last second would have enough stand up so they had exactly one less kneeler than the other team.

:lol snowflakes

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I'm pretty sure this would result in players from both teams kneeling resulting in offsetting penalties.
Unless they're going to assess 15 yards per kneeler.

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:lol

political correctness run amok. NFL stadiums now safe spaces for patriotic snowflakes.

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I'm pretty sure this would result in players from both teams kneeling resulting in offsetting penalties.
Unless they're going to assess 15 yards per kneeler.

Bellicheck would have his players start to kneel and then at the last second would have enough stand up so they had exactly one less kneeler than the other team.

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teams get fined not players all owners voted for it

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teams get fined not players all owners voted for it

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I was talking about this

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An idea being floated in the room goes like this: It would be up to the home team on whether both teams come out of the locker room for the anthem, and, should teams come out, 15-yard penalties could be assessed for kneeling.

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No input from the Free Speech Crisis on Campus folks.

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political correctness run amok. NFL stadiums now safe spaces for patriotic snowflakes.

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and the airwaves safe for jingoistic advertisers.

Bad news for virtue signalers. Turns out teams don't want or need these distractions. Tell you what - try protesting when you're not on the clock you dumb motherfuckers.

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Bad news for virtue signalers. Turns out teams don't want or need these distractions. Tell you what - try protesting when you're not on the clock you dumb motherfuckers.

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yes. that's what bothered you. that they are on the clock.

lol snowflake Chris

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Bad news for virtue signalers. Turns out teams don't want or need these distractions. Tell you what - try protesting when you're not on the clock you dumb motherfuckers.

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the same with pop
media is there to cover spurs not his political views
go on fox news cnn msnbc abc cbs and do you political thing pop

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the same with pop
media is there to cover spurs not his political views
go on fox news cnn msnbc abc cbs and do you political thing pop

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Absolutely correct.

But if they are pro-Trump they can say whatever they want whenever they want.

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But if they are pro-Trump they can say whatever they want whenever they want.

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no leave politics out of it on the clock

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the same with pop
media is there to cover spurs not his political views
go on fox news cnn msnbc abc cbs and do you political thing pop

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Kanye West too, right?

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the same with pop
media is there to cover spurs not his political views
go on fox news cnn msnbc abc cbs and do you political thing pop

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Also when you create a culture of NOT talking to the media and having the team NOT talk to the media, but we make exceptions for bashing Trump. Pop's double standards a perfect blueprint for Liberalism.

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no leave politics out of it on the clock

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But "patriotism" must be enforced on the clock.

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But "patriotism" must be enforced on the clock.

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When did patriotism become taboo?

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Kanye West too, right?

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when he is being paid by someone yes

he works for himself he sings
pop works for spurs
football players work for owners


when he is doing a concert singing a song people know if his songs contain political views if they do not like it do not pay to see them


people pay to see spurs players play not to see pop talk about political things

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But "patriotism" must be enforced on the clock.

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if you want to play in nfl now yes
if not go find another line of work

there are places that require you to wear ties and a certain dress code

do not like it work someone else

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teams get fined not players all owners voted for it

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Owners are now saying they will pay the fines for any players who chose to kneel.

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When did patriotism become taboo?

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It's not.

Why should it be enforced under threat?

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if you want to play in nfl now yes
if not go find another line of work

there are places that require you to wear ties and a certain dress code

do not like it work someone else

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Since when is patriotism a dress code?

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when he is being paid by someone yes

he works for himself he sings
pop works for spurs
football players work for owners


when he is doing a concert singing a song people know if his songs contain political views if they do not like it do not pay to see them


people pay to see spurs players play not to see pop talk about political things

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Pop talks politics in the middle of games?

he rolled his eyes on trump winning doing the primary

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Since when is patriotism a dress code?

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lol you can buy USA flag shirts

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lol you can buy USA flag shirts

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Clothing<>dress code

Forcing people to participate is not the solution(even though that's exactly what the NBA does and they are lauded for being "progressive"). A compromise is to have them go elsewhere if they don't want to participate. It's a shitty protest. The league should have a conversation with the players to convince them of that. Throw in some more effective actions of community service as well.

And, naturally, there was zero activism this off-season so far.

Faux morality from elitist millionaires trying to feed political prescriptions to us schmucks.

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Forcing people to participate is not the solution(even though that's exactly what the NBA does and they are lauded for being "progressive"). A compromise is to have them go elsewhere if they don't want to participate. It's a shitty protest. The league should have a conversation with the players to convince them of that. Throw in some more effective actions of community service as well.

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community service in lieu of protesting. interesting thought. they shoulda tried that in the 60s

The protest causes more harm than good. The national anthem isn't the stage for your protest. If it is then it would be in continual use. A protest should seek a relevant stage.

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The protest causes more harm than good.

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What does it harm besides snowflake feelings?

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When did patriotism become taboo?

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Why did the NFL suddenly become "patriotic" in 2009?

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I and many others have been complaining about their breast cancer awareness shit for years. Making the national anthem the stage for that shit would also not be met with open arms.

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I and many others have been complaining about their breast cancer awareness shit for years.

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What, exactly, is your complaint? Why do you care so much?

You guys get worked up over the stupidest bullshit.
:cry kneelers :cry
:cry pink shoes in october :cry

Players that do not want to stand can be in the tunnel

So they are not forcing players anything



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I'm a teacher. My freedom of speech is restricted on the job, and I cannot share my personal political views with my students. Why should an NFL player have more rights than me?

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I and many others have been complaining about their breast cancer awareness shit for years.

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What, exactly, is your complaint? Why do you care so much?

You guys get worked up over the stupidest bullshit.
:cry kneelers :cry
:cry pink shoes in october :cry

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Of all the things to be a snowflake about -- breast cancer awareness!

:lmao

At least we're done with the "it's only because of this topic" narrative tbh.

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At least we're done with the "it's only because of this topic" narrative tbh.

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If you want to own being a snowflake about multiple things, OK.

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If you want to own being a snowflake about multiple things, OK.

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I think both things are shit. I'm fine with that.

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I think both things are shit. I'm fine with that.

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I'm fine with your being a snowflake.

Recommended read to anyone who thinks forcing people to stand is a positive.

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Forcing people to participate is not the solution(even though that's exactly what the NBA does and they are lauded for being "progressive"). A compromise is to have them go elsewhere if they don't want to participate. It's a shitty protest. The league should have a conversation with the players to convince them of that. Throw in some more effective actions of community service as well.

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How about we just skip the anthem?

why is a patriotic display obligatory at sporting events?

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How about we just skip the anthem?

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... and skip the entire American obsession with the flag and the totally corrupt military that spends $500M+ / year on marketing, for profit, cultivating that obsession.

Kaepernick's whole protest was stupid anyway since he didn't ask for anything concrete. Just kneeling until what?

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“You have to stand proudly for the national anthem or you shouldn't be playing, you shouldn't be there, maybe you shouldn't be in the country."

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why is a patriotic display obligatory at sporting events?

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cuz you have to kneel to your country, now.

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Kaepernick's whole protest was stupid anyway since he didn't ask for anything concrete. Just kneeling until what?

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Did there have to be a demand? His kneeling never should have blown up into headline news. A quiet personal protest because he’s unhappy doesn’t need to have an ultimatum

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Did there have to be a demand? His kneeling never should have blown up into headline news. A quiet personal protest because he’s unhappy doesn’t need to have an ultimatum

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Yeah, the reaction was stupid but it would have at least put pressure on people if he had some kind of concrete demand for police policy as it is it accomplished absolutely zilch but to fire up middle amertica

Epic waste of time basically

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Epic waste of time basically

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It's not like he was out there publicizing it. He was quietly doing his thing until people made a big deal out of it.

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Why did the NFL suddenly become "patriotic" in 2009?

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it discovered that an alliance with the military was profitable. so now we get fly overs and gigantic flags forced upon us. not only is america patriotic, we're the most patriotic, damnit!

We need some Toby Keith about now dammit

N.F.L. Adds First Amendment to List of Banned Substances

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5...FreeSpeech.jpg

NEW YORK —The National Football League has expanded its list of banned substances to include the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, the league confirmed on Wednesday.

Although the N.F.L. has long banned substances such as anabolic steroids and growth hormones, the First Amendment is believed to be the only right guaranteed by the Constitution to be included on the list.

Roger Goodell, the commissioner of the National Football League, said that, by

adding the First Amendment to the list of banned substances,

the N.F.L was establishing a “policy of zero tolerance on tolerance.”

In order to enforce the ban, Goodell said that players would be tested periodically to determine whether they had used words, gestures, or facial expressions that are strictly prohibited under the new rule.

Speaking at the White House,

Donald Trump applauded the league

for banning the approximately seventeen hundred N.F.L. players from exercising freedom of speech, and

expressed hope that the ban could eventually be expanded to include the other 350M million Americans.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/nfl-adds-first-amendment-to-list-of-banned-substances

:lol

why are the liberals so happy trump cancelled the meeting
he is smart enough not to get played thought kim was so cancelled
he is putting America first

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why are the liberals so happy trump cancelled the meeting
he is smart enough not to get played thought kim was so cancelled
he is putting America first

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Is that what the anthem protests were about?

look at LkrFan post

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Is that what the anthem protests were about?

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only you would think that since it started before the were planning the meeting

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look at LkrFan post

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You think it's real?

no but ed was like yes trump cancelled the meeting

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no but ed was like yes trump cancelled the meeting

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What meeting?

Kim ghosted Dennison so Dennison had to send him a letter.

:lol

the kneelers were protesting police harassment, slaughter of blacks, had nothing do with flag, military, vets.

the racists co opted the kneelers, refused to recognize the why of the kneeling, by accusing them of being anti-military, anti-vet, anti-fucking-flag-fetish

It's quite easy to recognize the protest issues and think it's disrespectful to other things. That's why a protest should pick a relevant stage. There will never be a time when there isn't an issue worth protesting. It'd be moronic to just pile those on irrelevant stages.

Totally agree. A football game isn't an appropriate venue for a patriotic rally.

If you work at McDonalds should you be allowed to protest on the clock or should you be required to adhere to the companies standards and protocols? People forget this is a business and there are rules. You can't make exceptions because of partisanship, that is foolish. So no a football game isn't the appropriate venue for a protest unless it's the fans protesting and Nathan is absolutely correct.

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If you work at McDonalds should you be allowed to protest on the clock or should you be required to adhere to the companies standards and protocols? People forget this is a business and there are rules. You can't make exceptions because of partisanship, that is foolish. So no a football game isn't the appropriate venue for a protest unless it's the fans protesting and Nathan is absolutely correct.

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if a cashier at mcdonalds started protesting instead of taking an order, then yeah he should be disciplined. it's getting in the way of his work.

if kaep takes a knee during the anthem, who the fuck cares? now if he takes a knee on 4th down in a tie game... that's different.

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If you work at McDonalds should you be allowed to protest on the clock or should you be required to adhere to the companies standards and protocols? People forget this is a business and there are rules. You can't make exceptions because of partisanship, that is foolish. So no a football game isn't the appropriate venue for a protest unless it's the fans protesting and Nathan is absolutely correct.

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Are there mandatory anthem salutes at McDonald's?

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if kaep takes a knee during the anthem, who the fuck cares?

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The owners and the fans he is openly shitting on. Pick a different forum when you're not on the clock. Simple.

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The owners and the fans he is openly shitting on. Pick a different forum when you're not on the clock. Simple.

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No one is shitting on anything, snowflake. It's one of the more peaceful and respectful protests out there tbh.

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No one is shitting on anything, snowflake. It's one of the more peaceful and respectful protests out there tbh.

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He's shitting on the military and the fans who take it personal. Your opinion means nothing since you don't go to the games and I'm willing to bet you've never served with your anti-American ideology. You don't understand that there are consequences (season ticketholders boycotting the league) You don't have to take the financial hit. You can be comfortably smug in your support of the protests because you have nothing to lose.

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He's shitting on the military and the fans who take it personal.

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Snowflakes, you mean.

Call them snowflakes because that's what they are.

That's what you are.

Is kneeling bad for the NFL? Absolutely. How you handle the issue matters though. This is a bullshit way of handling it which is also bad for the NFL. It actually threw gas on the fire. We don't know how many players were going to kneel next year. They've been through an entire season of this already so they are probably more open to discussion instead of protesting till the end of their career.

Trump is wrong Chris. It's a shit protest and it is bad for the country. Handling it this way is also bad for the country.

I really wish we could do a nation wide community outreach with the police to help merge the divide.

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Is kneeling bad for the NFL? Absolutely. How you handle the issue matters though. This is a bullshit way of handling it which is also bad for the NFL. It actually threw gas on the fire. We don't know how many players were going to kneel next year. They've been through an entire season of this already so they are probably more open to discussion instead of protesting till the end of their career.

Trump is wrong Chris. It's a shit protest and it is bad for the country. Handling it this way is also bad for the country.

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He's never been shy about voicing his opinion no matter the subject. He's not going to butter up his response because he truly believes in America and what a privilege it is to live here much less play football for outrageous sums of money.

He's calling out their patriotism which isn't as wrong as you think it is. It's simply tough love.

I also agree that if you can't stand for this country and you feel like you are being oppressed perhaps a change of scenery will change your mind. Nothing is stopping these players from going to the CFL or another venue to apply their craft.

The League is correct for punishing this kind of behavior and it is their right to do so. This is a business after all and if you can't play by the rules you should be fired no matter what company you are working for. I'm curious how you think Trump should have reacted to the ruling.

The League also gave the players an out to stay off the field if they don't want to stand absolving themselves of the aforementioned "forced patriotism." Brilliant.

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He's never been shy about voicing his opinion no matter the subject. He's not going to butter up his response because he truly believes in America and what a privilege it is to live here much less play football for outrageous sums of money.

He's calling out their patriotism which isn't as wrong as you think it is. It's simply tough love.

I also agree that if you can't stand for this country and you feel like you are being oppressed perhaps a change of scenery will change your mind. Nothing is stopping these players from going to the CFL or another venue to apply their craft.

The League is correct for punishing this kind of behavior and it is their right to do so. This is a business after all and if you can't play by the rules you should be fired no matter what company you are working for. I'm curious how you think Trump should have reacted to the ruling.

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He's utilizing very ineffective tactics to get people to stand. Perhaps discussing some statistics on police treatment between the races. Perhaps argue the absurdity of using the anthem as your irrelevant protest stage knowing there will never be a time to not protest an issue. Perhaps we can lessen drug laws or treat it medically which will limit interaction and tension. Perhaps we can create more community outreach so the community and police will be on better terms. Continued conversation on why you think people should stand is also fine. Trying to shame/bully people to your side isn't a good solution.

Of course they have the right to do it. Companies have the right to squash the presence of conservative talkers. That doesn't mean the public should support those actions.

Trump should have never got involved in the manner that he did. He could've made his opinion known but he did it in a negative way. Explain your side but don't berate the other side.

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The League also gave the players an out to stay off the field if they don't want to stand absolving themselves of the aforementioned "forced patriotism." Brilliant.

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Yeah, I read someone else say this. That makes it more reasonable. Should have been more of the focus to the public.

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:lol still bitter he couldn't get an NFL team and fucked up the team he actually had.

:rollin shouldn't be in the country

NFL knows it has competition in the form of the XFL coming soon in 2020. Trying to win back the hearts and minds of the fans they spurned, but it may be too late. Trump simply needs to endorse the NFL and a lot of the "boycotters" will return.

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:lol still bitter he couldn't get an NFL team and fucked up the team he actually had.

:rollin shouldn't be in the country

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Are you happy to be here Pavlov?

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Are you happy to be here Pavlov?

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Be where?

On ST?

:lmao

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It's quite easy to recognize the protest issues and think it's disrespectful to other things. That's why a protest should pick a relevant stage. There will never be a time when there isn't an issue worth protesting. It'd be moronic to just pile those on irrelevant stages.

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Not only speech can be disrespectful, it can be outright offensive, and it's obviously one of the pillars of the United States.

Plus, if we're to measure the protest success as far as raising awareness of the cause, and widespread coverage, it was definitely effective.

Heck, probably 90% of other people that protest for different reasons on a daily basis would love to have that kind of 'irrelevant stage'...

You know when the kneeling is going to stop? When snowflakes stop getting triggered about it.

I don't even get what's upsetting about some random dude kneeling while the anthem is playing. Somebody is probably taking a shit in the bathroom too, what's the big deal?

Snowflake is a term for Liberals. You guys keep stealing our shit. It's pretty sad tbh

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Snowflake is a term for Liberals. You guys keep stealing our shit. It's pretty sad tbh

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But you are a snowflake, Chris.

So sensitive....

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Snowflake is a term for Liberals. You guys keep stealing our shit. It's pretty sad tbh

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A 2017 article from Think Progress commented: "The insult expanded to encompass not just the young, but liberals of all ages; it became the epithet of choice for right-wingers to fling at anyone who could be accused of being too easily offended, too in need of "safe spaces, too fragile"

If it walks like a duck...

You can insinuate that the military and season ticket holders are snowflakes. That is your theory and prerogative. I tend to have a little bit more respect than that, but to each their own.

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You can insinuate that the military and season ticket holders are snowflakes. That is your theory and prerogative. I tend to have a little bit more respect than that, but to each their own.

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I certainly don't discriminate, if you're triggered by the kneeling, they won and they're gonna come back.

Much like people make the argument that banning all guns is not the solution, banning this thing only gives it more magnitude and meaning. Streisand effect.

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You can insinuate that the military and season ticket holders are snowflakes. That is your theory and prerogative. I tend to have a little bit more respect than that, but to each their own.

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Kneeling was a military man's idea in the first place.

Now what, Chris?

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I certainly don't discriminate, if you're triggered by the kneeling, they won and they're gonna come back.

Much like people make the argument that banning all guns is not the solution, banning this thing only gives it more magnitude and meaning. Streisand effect.

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The players kneeling are not prepared to suffer the consequences hence the lawsuits. Turns out virtue signaling can have repercussions. I have no sympathy for these ne'er-do-wells.

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You don't give a fuck about military personnel if they don't follow your agenda so don't pretend you do, OK?

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You sound angry.

lol you edited that fast :lol

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The players kneeling are not prepared to suffer the consequences hence the lawsuits. Turns out virtue signaling can have repercussions. I have no sympathy for these ne'er-do-wells.

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What lawsuits, Chris?

Is there some kind of civil snowflake law they are violating?