NFL’s Proposed National Anthem Rules: Penalties for Kneeling Being Considered

Players are fling lawsuits against the NFL Pavlov. Try to keep up please.

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Originally Posted by Chris

You sound angry.

lol you edited that fast :lol

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I'll post it again to show you're afraid of it.

Kneeling was a military man's idea in the first place.

You don't give a fuck about military personnel if they don't follow your agenda so don't pretend you do, OK?

Now what, Chris?

What penalties do you want inflicted on the soldier who proposed the kneeling protest?

Be very specific. Let's see what you really think of the military.

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Originally Posted by Pavlov

I'll post it again to show you're afraid of it.

Kneeling was a military man's idea in the first place.

You don't give a fuck about military personnel if they don't follow your agenda so don't pretend you do, OK?

Now what, Chris?

What penalties do you want inflicted on the soldier who proposed the kneeling protest?

Be very specific. Let's see what you really think of the military.

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Kaepernick clearly was the catalyst for the entire fiasco. Not sure what you are rambling about. Link?

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Originally Posted by Chris

The players kneeling are not prepared to suffer the consequences hence the lawsuits. Turns out virtue signaling can have repercussions. I have no sympathy for these ne'er-do-wells.

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You don't understand law, don't even go there. The only debatable legal workaround for this would be some sort of new bargaining agreement with the NFLPA, and it would be dubious it would stand in court.

The possibly most fleeting resolution for this is likely that people get used to it and stop caring, then it becomes ineffective.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Players are fling lawsuits against the NFL Pavlov. Try to keep up please.

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Of course they are, they have a solid case. Peaceful protests are a form of speech.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Kaepernick clearly was the catalyst for the entire fiasco. Not sure what you are rambling about. Link?

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Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

Then again, it's likely a settlement will come before any of that goes to trial.

Probably as soon as this administration is gone.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Players are fling lawsuits against the NFL Pavlov. Try to keep up please.

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They aren't the ones who would be penalized, unless you are claiming there is a blacklist that will be put together by snowflakes.

Is that your claim?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

You don't understand law, don't even go there.

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lol "big timing" me...Where's Blake?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Of course they are, they have a solid case. Peaceful protests are a form of speech.

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Peaceful protests outside the work environment are fine, yeah. :tu They have no case and are just spinning their wheels because there were repercussions for their bullshit. Saving face or lashing out. Pick one. Pick both.

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Originally Posted by Pavlov

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

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Linky linky. Chop chop.

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Originally Posted by Chris

lol "big timing" me...Where's Blake?

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Because you keep talking about lawsuits but not presenting the legal arguments for it. State your legal case.

'players kneeling are not prepared to suffer the consequences' is not a legal argument.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Peaceful protests outside the work environment are fine, yeah. :tu They have no case and are just spinning their wheels because there were repercussions for their bullshit. Saving face or lashing out. Pick one. Pick both.

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Legally, that's actually not true. You're allowed to protest on the clock too. Then your boss can fire you, not for protesting, but because you're not doing your job.

It really boils down to that. Just like Colin ended up without a job.

The protest's strength is in numbers. Are NFL owners ready to fire all the players that protest, and the backlash that comes with that? Are players ready to unite and continue protesting? Time will tell.

I don't really care either way, I'm not triggered by the protests.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Linky linky. Chop chop.

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So you admit you are completely ignorant about this?

I will gladly give you a link once you admit your ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Pavlov

So you admit you are completely ignorant about this?

I will gladly give you a link once you admit your ignorance.

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*Risitas

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Because you keep talking about lawsuits but not presenting the legal arguments for it. State your legal case.

'players kneeling are not prepared to suffer the consequences' is not a legal argument.

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You're taking that out of context. The repercussions are not having a job or getting traded. The lawsuits are coming from the ones doing the kneeling. Like I said they are just spinning their wheels.

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Legally, that's actually not true. You're allowed to protest on the clock too. Then your boss can fire you, not for protesting, but because you're not doing your job.

It really boils down to that. Just like Colin ended up without a job.

The protest's strength is in numbers. Are NFL owners ready to fire all the players that protest, and the backlash that comes with that? Are players ready to unite and continue protesting? Time will tell.

I don't really care either way, I'm not triggered by the protests.

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So we agree that the workplace is not the ideal forum for protesting and that the NFL was totally in the right. :tu Using you incredible legal acumen do you think the players have a case?

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Originally Posted by Chris

*Risitas

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You're not answering any questions, Chris.

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

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Originally Posted by Pavlov

You're not answering any questions, Chris.

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

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You're still here rambling? Poor fella.

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Originally Posted by Chris

You're still here rambling? Poor fella.

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What happened to your being an open book? Poor fella.

All you have to do is answer yes or no, poor fella.

Do you know about Nate Boyer, poor fella?

Yes or no, poor fella.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

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Originally Posted by Pavlov

What happened to your being an open book? Poor fella.

All you have to do is answer yes or no, poor fella.

Do you know about Nate Boyer, poor fella?

Yes or no, poor fella.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

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:lol

Shook like a crook.


I'm still waiting on this eye opening link. You have about 30 more minutes before I lose interest until tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Chris

:lol

Shook like a crook.


I'm still waiting on this eye opening link. You have about 30 more minutes before I lose interest until tomorrow.

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lol triggered by your own words.

I'll take your words out so you won't be triggered by them again, snowflake.

All you have to do is answer yes or no.

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

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Originally Posted by Pavlov

lol triggered by your own words.

I'll take your words out so you won't be triggered by them again, snowflake.

All you have to do is answer yes or no.

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

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20 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Chris

20 minutes.

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You can stall all you want. Won't make it less true.

All you have to do is answer yes or no.

Do you know about Nate Boyer?

Yes or no.

If it's no, I will gladly give you a link.

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Originally Posted by Chris

You're taking that out of context. The repercussions are not having a job or getting traded. The lawsuits are coming from the ones doing the kneeling. Like I said they are just spinning their wheels.

So we agree that the workplace is not the ideal forum for protesting and that the NFL was totally in the right. :tu Using you incredible legal acumen do you think the players have a case?

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No, we don't agree. Arguably, that is the ideal place given the exposure, and the fact that it's clearly effective considering it seems to affect deeply those who care on both sides of the argument. Plus it's legal. The worst that could happen to a protest is to go unnoticed.

Not having a job is possible as an aftermath, but not directly because they're protesting during the anthem.

The NFL understands how the law works, that's why they didn't put out a rule that prohibits it, or directly instructs the teams to fire the player for it. It merely orders players to do it on the locker-room if they're going to do it, outside of public view, or *the teams* get *fined*.

That's because protesting is constitutionally protected by both the right to speech and right to assembly under the 1st Amendment.

While regulations are indeed legal, only the government can apply those regulations (see: Ward v. Rock Against Racism), unless waived by the person (which is a separate can of worms, as a contract with such stipulations would certainly be challenged by players and/or union).

The league faces multiple legal issues: arguably, the rule attempts to indirectly suppress speech, it's not part (AFAIK) of the CBA with the NFLPA, attempts to regulate speech without being the government and without a waiver from the parties, etc.

It doesn't help that the rights granted by the 1st Amendment are probably the most sacred and protected rights in American history. In that sense, the players and the union do have relatively solid legal footing.

One legal workaround would be for the government to declare free-speech zones on each stadium for the players, but that would require government intervention, is probably not a long lasting solution, and likely to make a bigger deal out of this thing, which plays into the protesters camp.

Anyhow, that's the legal argument/view.

You want the Federal Government to get involved. We're clearly not on the same page. Not in the same book.

You talk about free speech but you know that when you're on the clock you're speaking for the man who is paying you.

You are sitting on the fence concerning the player's lawsuits I can see, and that's understandable. You don't want to be wrong when the verdict comes in.

Free speech zones? Yeah, totally different outlook.

I don't see how "effective" the protesting is besides trolling on a national platform or virtue signaling.

Like I said earlier, it's easy to sit back and defend it because you have nothing to lose. You're not a season ticket holder. You're not an owner losing revenue because some troll wants to pander to his facebook family or the Nation of Islam.

It's the easy way out.

The old saying "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything" is highly apropos here. No one is arguing their right to protest. You can't cry foul and sue when the consequences don't align with your unintended ramifications. It's pretty sad tbh.