Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

And Kawhi is amazing, but no way you pass on Lebron and Paul George to wait with Kawhi. What if Kawhi got injured badly and now no Kawhi or PG? It would be impossible for LA to wait unless Bron/PG say no.

If you are Bron and LA says “let’s not sign PG and waste a year when you are 34 to get Kawhi” he will say bye bye.

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I think if they're really serious about taking out GS, and the LAL can't get Kawhi, PG takes the $ in OKC, and LeBron does whatever. Two thirtysomethings are not enough fire power to take down GS.

Biggest concern is still that Kawhi's group is made up of actual retarded, amateurs. Just zero foresight into anything and they're obviously in over their heads.

If they weren't absolutely fucktards, they could have likely secured their client a 200+ mil extension this summer and salvaged any hits to Kawhi's reputation. As it stands now, they still might fall ass backwards into a huge extension but Kawhi's rep is forever tarnished/ruined throughout the NBA landscape. He's gonna have to ball out next season to even start making up some of the goodwill they lost this season.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

I think if they're really serious about taking out GS, and the LAL can't get Kawhi, PG takes the $ in OKC, and LeBron does whatever. Two thirtysomethings are not enough fire power to take down GS.

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I agree. I think they could be damn good with Bron/PG and their core, but not enough. But maybe Bron/PG don’t care about it that much (winning). I mean, they want to win, but it might not be the main thing.

But if LA knows they have to trade for Kawhi and can’t get him in 2019 FA, then they will be forced to get more assets or be stuck.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

Biggest concern is still that Kawhi's group is made up of actual retarded, amateurs. Just zero foresight into anything and they're obviously in over their heads.

If they weren't absolutely fucktards, they could have likely secured their client a 200+ mil extension this summer and salvaged any hits to Kawhi's reputation. As it stands now, they still might fall ass backwards into a huge extension but Kawhi's rep is forever tarnished/ruined throughout the NBA landscape. He's gonna have to ball out next season to even start making up some of the goodwill they lost this season.

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He also could have forced his way to LA by being upfront and giving SA time to really work on a deal they are happy with and set a price.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

He also could have forced his way to LA by being upfront and giving SA time to really work on a deal they are happy with and set a price.

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Tru dat. If they had just approached Pop LAST summer, the LAL had more assets. Of course, if they spend those assets on getting Kawhi, they then couldn't use them to offload contracts to create the cap room they needed for this summer. It may just never have worked under any circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

The Lakers will not retain cap space into next summer. Magic/Rob can't afford to, they'll need to land a "superstar" one way or another even if it means throwing dead money at Boogie.

Trust me, they do not have the patience to sit out another summer and get laughed at even further.

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You are silly we arent paying Boogie.
No one is laughing at the Lakers who now are considered a legit threat for frontline talent in FA
and now are ateam on the rise ... still a long ways to go. but we didnt clear space for a boogie with a ruptured achilles.

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Originally Posted by Killakobe81

You are silly we arent paying Boogie.
No one is laughing at the Lakers who now are considered a legit threat for frontline talent in FA
and now are ateam on the rise ... still a long ways to go. but we didnt clear space for a boogie with a ruptured achilles.

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:lol Killa, I like you bruh you know that. But you know I don't respect any of your bball takes. And i think the Lakers still likely land PG. Boogie is a worst case scenario and I definitely see the Lakeshow doing it if they strike out everybody else.

To be honest, Spurs may dodge a bullet by being forced to trade Kawhi. The Supermax is betting that Kawhi will be a superstar for the next five years and if he's injured or regresses, our team can only hope we draft great to pick up the slack. There won't be a lot of money for FA. The margin of error is much smaller.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

Biggest concern is still that Kawhi's group is made up of actual retarded, amateurs. Just zero foresight into anything and they're obviously in over their heads.

If they weren't absolutely fucktards, they could have likely secured their client a 200+ mil extension this summer and salvaged any hits to Kawhi's reputation. As it stands now, they still might fall ass backwards into a huge extension but Kawhi's rep is forever tarnished/ruined throughout the NBA landscape. He's gonna have to ball out next season to even start making up some of the goodwill they lost this season.

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Unfortunately if Kawhi plays in a desired market and returns to his MVP level then all of his shenanigans will be forgiven by the media. Just look at the treatment Durant gets now that he has won 2 titles despite the bitch move he pulled.

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Originally Posted by cd98

To be honest, Spurs may dodge a bullet by being forced to trade Kawhi. The Supermax is betting that Kawhi will be a superstar for the next five years and if he's injured or regresses, our team can only hope we draft great to pick up the slack. There won't be a lot of money for FA. The margin of error is much smaller.

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I hate the Supermax. Its going to create future Kevin Garnett-Timberwolves scenarios where a team's cap space will be getting eaten up by the superstar player but their won't be enough cap space to build a championship level team.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

Unfortunately if Kawhi plays in a desired market and returns to his MVP level then all of his shenanigans will be forgiven by the media. Just look at the treatment Durant gets now that he has won 2 titles despite the bitch move he pulled.

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Durant's move was like a 4 on the bitch scale. Kawhi's fake injury medical holdout was like a 9 on the bitch scale.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

Unfortunately if Kawhi plays in a desired market and returns to his MVP level then all of his shenanigans will be forgiven by the media. Just look at the treatment Durant gets now that he has won 2 titles despite the bitch move he pulled.

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:lol Durant is one of the most hated people in sports currently, you have numerous talking heads shit on him for his titles. He hasn't taken a hit financially but if we're talking purely about reputation, KD is a terrible example.

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Originally Posted by Killakobe81

what a shitty deal and you give up Murray who has flaws but has shown some promise?
shouldnt Spurs have to give up the least?

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Well i agree giving up Murray is too much, but honestly I think people around here are are living in a fantasy. If things can’t be worked out, a one year rental for a superstar that has a legit injury concern isnt goin for tatam and brown or something great

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Durant's move was like a 4 on the bitch scale. Kawhi's fake injury medical holdout was like a 9 on the bitch scale.

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If Kawhi plays for the Lakers,Sixers,Celtics then the media will ignore it and pretend that it never happened.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

:lol Durant is one of the most hated people in sports currently, you have numerous talking heads shit on him for his titles. He hasn't taken a hit financially but if we're talking purely about reputation, KD is a terrible example.

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The media still anoints Durant as the second best player in the league after Lebron. I think the only thing the move cost him was the chance to be the best player in the league among talking heads and players. No matter what he tries to do he will never pass Lebron.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Durant's move was like a 4 on the bitch scale. Kawhi's fake injury medical holdout was like a 9 on the bitch scale.

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The media is mostly on his side right now. If he's winning again next season in LA/Philly/Boston they'll be entirely on his side. When Eric Gordon was carrying the Rockets in the WCF no one mentioned him pulling the same crap with New Orleans.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

The media still anoints Durant as the second best player in the league after Lebron. I think the only thing the move cost him was the chance to be the best player in the league among talking heads and players. No matter what he tries to do he will never pass Lebron.

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I don't know what you watch or follow, but Durant is absolutely hated and criticized by virtually everybody..giving him credit for his ability doesn't change that, I think most humans can objectively analyze that..

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

The media is mostly on his side right now. If he's winning again next season in LA/Philly/Boston they'll be entirely on his side. When Eric Gordon was carrying the Rockets in the WCF no one mentioned him pulling the same crap with New Orleans.

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Well, most didn't pay enough attention to him in NO to know it happened.

Durant is both hated and objectively the second best player.

The winning solves everything take is correct, but if he fails it'll weigh on him harder then if he stayed with sa. If he stayed it would just be "the Spurs mystique is gone" and not about back stabbing.

Curry > KD--they let KD take the FMVPs cause he'd have a meltdown if he 100% realized he didn't earn the rings.

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Originally Posted by K...

Durant is both hated and objectively the second best player.

The winning solves everything take is correct, but if he fails it'll weigh on him harder then if he stayed with sa. If he stayed it would just be "the Spurs mystique is gone" and not about back stabbing.

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I think these big markets tend to be desperate for a star if their team has been irrelevant for a long time and don't really care too much about winning. Look at the Knicks with Carmelo. The Knicks fans didn't realize how crappy Carmelo was until his final year in NYC. Granted I think the worst thing that can happen with Kawhi if he's in LA and the Lakers are not winning then the media will start hating him simply because he doesn't like to talk. They are not use to dealing with a mute Superstar and he probably only gets a pass for being mute if they are winning.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

I hate the Supermax. Its going to create future Kevin Garnett-Timberwolves scenarios where a team's cap space will be getting eaten up by the superstar player but their won't be enough cap space to build a championship level team.

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Exactly. Thats a lot of eggs in one basket. Over the last thirty years there have been so many teams stuck in cap hell because of one player. That is the last place I want Spurs to be in

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Originally Posted by objective

disagree

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Originally Posted by objective

Anything less than Tatum AND Brown AND the Kings 1st is just being marks and getting destroyed in the trade and gifting Boston the title.

I don't think a Boston deal is even worth pursuing.

Spurs number one priority should be to not be suckers. They'll lose every trade but don't have to be suckers. Don't give contenders free rings like Rodman to the Bulls. Don't give big markets free contention.

And if that means benching Kawhi for a year then so be it.

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This is all sounds nice, but Tatum, Brown and the Kings 1st is obviously not realistic and though I'm not opposed to taking this up until the trade deadline, at that point, barring a reconciliation (even then, it would still be risky), they'd have to make a move.

The Celtics don't need Leonard, yet at the same time can make the offer with the most stability and best combination of high reward/low risk (Brown, Kings '19 '1st, Rozier, Morris, Yabusele). That's a great position to be in and one the Spurs likely can't turn down.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Love and eight pushes the market up, which is even better for SA. Lowest I take from Boston is Hayward, Brown and the SAC pick for Kawhi and Gasol.

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Even if they were willing to do that to Hayward (highly unlikely), I can't see the Kings 1st being involved as well.

Beyond the obvious, another reason they more than likely wouldn't trade Hayward is, they wouldn't be locks to re-sign Leonard. Clearly, they'd only trade for him period believing they would, but if he walked and they made this trade, they'd go from the most enviable wing depth in the league to paper thin.

It's an unnecessary risk considering they don't need Leonard. For them, the great thing about the most likely variation is, if Leonard walks, they could still conceivably remain contenders.

And the fucking IG account went private. WTF :lol