Who won the trade?

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Originally Posted by johnnymoore

Salient points.

If Kawhi ultimately ends up in LA and wins a championship, it'll be a grand slam for IMPACT. They got their guy - who was under contract - to the situation he wanted. Yes, Kawhi will get a haircut, but you cannot really call a guy who makes $35 million/year and is playing in the situation he wants a loser.

Players look at this stuff and they want an agency that has juice.

If, however, you remove the winner/loser aspect and look at the trade from an impact/objective POV:

Spurs - added DeRozan to a 47 win team at the cost of Danny Green & Tony Parker. Kawhi was a non-factor because he was injured (allegedly). Did the move put the Spurs into the championship discussion? No. Did it keep them in the playoff discussion? Yes - they should be right around where they were last year, fighting for the 6-8 seed. Did the move help them in terms of future prospects? Probably not, since DDR will suck up cap space and if the Raps tank, the picks are crap, but it doesn't hurt, either.

Raps - Dumps DDR's deal, which is a positive for their FO, which clearly didn't like the team despite its success. If they move Kawhi before the season or before the deadline, they will likely add a couple of assets (picks and/or prospects) to help the rebuild. They also put themselves in excellent position for free agency.

Downside for both teams is that they'll likely gain reputations as being anti-player organizations.

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Say Kawhi leaves Toronto next year, but doesn't go to LA. Builds a super team in Brooklyn. They could have 50 to 70 million in cap room. Sean Marks Spurs trained is Nets GM. In the Sutton's backyard, under Dolan and the Knicks nose, and the Nets wouldn't need to use draft picks because Kawhi, Kyrie, and Jimmy Butler are all UFA next summer. Also, you don't have to share the spotlight with LBJ in LA. You don't have to put up with that fan base who are even vandalizing pictures of LBJ. And you'll still have the media on your side because you are in their backyard in New York.

Leaving Toronto would hasten the rebuild, so knock them from contention, so you only have to deal with Boston and Philly to get to Finals. Kawhi is going to stay in the East, the Sutton's will get Uncle Dennis to do their dirty work to make sure that happens. He can visit LA in the off season.

Time will tell.

Only way Spurs come out winners is if nephew can't make it through the season without more knee problems.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

Only way Spurs come out winners is if nephew can't make it through the season without more knee problems.

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I don't get the dumping on Kawhi's abilities. If healthy he's proven he's a top 3 player. The Spurs were on the verge of beating the Warriors in game 1 in the playoffs with him healthy.

Who ever gets the best player wins the deal, every time. Unless they completely break up their future like the Nets did when they traded KG and PP. In saying that, we did pretty well considering. We got an Allstar SG and likely future starting center.

Meh, spurs did the best they could do it seems.
Could take a year or maybe two to see who “won”

if kawhi picks up where he left of in 2017 and resigns, then obviously raptors win, but we have to wait a while to see if that’s the case

as for DD, I see his game benefiting in the spurs system, so we could possibly see an improvement.. would be nice if Chip could fix his shot but I’m guessing he’s too old to try to change?’

The spurs . Kawhi will never be 100% healthy again

Who knows. The season will have to play out to tell. The Cavs definitely lost the Irving trade last season for sure, they should have traded LeBron to Lakers and kept Irving, lol.

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Originally Posted by lmbebo

We lost a top 3 player in the league. No way we win this trade, ever.

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If Kawhi leaves TOR, we received a multiple time AS and multiple time All NBA player for a fading SG and an ending contract rental.

#winning

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Originally Posted by lmbebo

We lost a top 3 player in the league. No way we win this trade, ever.

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Truth bomb

Raptors, easily. but you can't blame them at all both did their best at this point.

Bottom line IMHO. A player who doesn't want to be on your team is not going to give you 100%. Kawhi made it clear he didn't want to be in San Antonio any more Sooooooo. He would not have been a top player this year had he stayed. Hopefully DDR doesn't share the same opinion about playing in SA. That said, We won on the matter of KL. Now factor in Danny..... Time will tell.


We just don't know how to deal with malcontents here in Spurs country. Even if we do get one or two, it's generally "good riddance to you". Our stars don't shun us for elsewhere. We just don't know how to handle it. Now if we were say, a Cleveland, or a Denver, or a Portland or a Miami maybe we would know how to take being shunned. We just need to get over it and move on. Let's see what the future brings.

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Originally Posted by mienhmario

San Antonio won. I think Kawhi is gonna get a season injury in Toronto due to high minutes.

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yep, I expect K to sit out a lot of games, chronically damaged goods, play less games than Derozan.

So when he does play, he will look like he did in the 9 games of last season, out of sync, way below par.

Also not to sleep on Poeltl and that 20-30 first round pick, which could be combined with our pick for a top 14-18 pick instead. Spurs could get 3 good players out of this. It may just take a while.

Because we can all agree that Green was well below his peak and he wasn't going to return to form again.

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Originally Posted by TekXX

Both lost.

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Agree

Depends on Kawhi's health status.

Fully recovered -> Raptors won
Damaged goods -> Spurs won

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Originally Posted by Arcadian

Depends on Kawhi's health status.

Fully recovered -> Raptors won
Damaged goods -> Spurs won

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Kawhi healthy or not, doesn't stay with the Spurs.

If they had gotten OG and swapped Mills for Green, the Spurs easily win this trade in the respect that they got everything they could have asked for. As it was, SA only really got a small part of their ideal package, and how that works out over the next two seasons will determine if they won or not. DeRozan by himself isn't so good that going for him made sense. They have to capitalize on recouping this much talent, or they might as well have moved for picks/role-players and tried to hit on mid-firsts for the foreseeable future.

Easy question, difficult answer.

As of today: easily Toronto.

If you view it in the lense of what did each team hope to accomplish going into a deal? TOR accomplished every single one of their goals. SA did not.

That does not mean things won’ evolve but TOR is the only team that checked every single box and considering they were the ones chasing the best asset? Huge accomplishment.

The Warriors

DDR vs. a player who quit on the Team.

Hmm.

Spurs.

We got an all-star plus a solid bench big (maybe a possible starter) and a pick which we can use for trade / cash purposes.

Plus, we didn't trade with the Lakers. Hart, Kuzma and all those guys are trash. They're arguing about their rating on NBA2K. Really?! That's the trash you all want in the locker room?

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Originally Posted by LCM

The people who won the trade are Jeff and Joseph Sutton of New York City. They are the money behind IMPACT, the agency that Kawhi is a part of, who bought out Mitchell Frankel's debt of 4.7 million from Cobalt Sports Capital and put an additional 10 million into the agency to be run by Joseph Sutton. Jeff Sutton is werth 3.6 billion in real estate and other ventures. They are the people who are paying Uncle Dennis and Kawhi's mom through IMPACT. They are going to be the power brokers as to where Kawhi goes next. Kawhi Leonard is the reason they bought IMPACT, they want to get into the basketball game. IMPACT has mainly delt with football players. Short money and very little guaranteed. The Sutton's want to market Kawhi and have him be the beacon to get other NBA players, with longer contracts and guaranteed money in their agency stable. Forbes article Feb 28th 2017 if you want to read up on them. They are people who are being sued by Kawhi's first agent, Mr Elfus, in Florida. PDF of lawsuit is an easy download. These are the people who won the trade because they nurtured it to happen.

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Thanks....howd you know all these stuff?

:bobo

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Originally Posted by cutewizard

Thanks....howd you know all these stuff?

:bobo

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First rule, follow the money. Not the media. Uncle Dennis's Protocol marketing firm hasn't been rolling like he wants, and Frankel, Kawhi's technical agent, has been in debt past his eyeballs for many years. The kicker of interest for me was the lawsuit in Florida. That was spearheaded by Kawhi's first representative, Mr Elfus, getting Kawhi to directly said that Kawhi paid the money to IMPACT so this man should receive his commission for the contracts Kawhi signed with Spurs. Only IMPACT allegedly never paid him. Download it off the Internet. It's free. Any reporter can access it and it will lead you straight to Jeff and Joseph Sutton. Then you Google them and I found the Forbes article. It's all there to find, you just have to look and read.