Who won the trade?

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Originally Posted by LCM

The people who won the trade are Jeff and Joseph Sutton of New York City. They are the money behind IMPACT, the agency that Kawhi is a part of, who bought out Mitchell Frankel's debt of 4.7 million from Cobalt Sports Capital and put an additional 10 million into the agency to be run by Joseph Sutton. Jeff Sutton is werth 3.6 billion in real estate and other ventures. They are the people who are paying Uncle Dennis and Kawhi's mom through IMPACT. They are going to be the power brokers as to where Kawhi goes next. Kawhi Leonard is the reason they bought IMPACT, they want to get into the basketball game. IMPACT has mainly delt with football players. Short money and very little guaranteed. The Sutton's want to market Kawhi and have him be the beacon to get other NBA players, with longer contracts and guaranteed money in their agency stable. Forbes article Feb 28th 2017 if you want to read up on them. They are people who are being sued by Kawhi's first agent, Mr Elfus, in Florida. PDF of lawsuit is an easy download. These are the people who won the trade because they nurtured it to happen.

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Great job! You are clearly NOT a journalist. I salute you. :toast

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Originally Posted by LCM

First rule, follow the money. Not the media. Uncle Dennis's Protocol marketing firm hasn't been rolling like he wants, and Frankel, Kawhi's technical agent, has been in debt past his eyeballs for many years. The kicker of interest for me was the lawsuit in Florida. That was spearheaded by Kawhi's first representative, Mr Elfus, getting Kawhi to directly said that Kawhi paid the money to IMPACT so this man should receive his commission for the contracts Kawhi signed with Spurs. Only IMPACT allegedly never paid him. Download it off the Internet. It's free. Any reporter can access it and it will lead you straight to Jeff and Joseph Sutton. Then you Google them and I found the Forbes article. It's all there to find, you just have to look and read.

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You are the man!

Nice meeting you good Sir, you should post more. Thank you!

Toronto.

Because there's a good chance Kawhi will end up re-signing there.

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Originally Posted by sasaint

Great job! You are clearly NOT a journalist. I salute you. :toast

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Appreciate it

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Originally Posted by cutewizard

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You are the man!

Nice meeting you good Sir, you should post more. Thank you!

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Thank you much

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Toronto.

Because there's a good chance Kawhi will end up re-signing there.

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Don't believe idle chatter. What else would The Group put out there? That he had no intention of staying in TOR? He'd be vilified for the entire season by their fans.

Getting him to LA is an awful plan, and he'll lose even more money in the process, but The Group has shown very little aptitude for making good, financially sound decisions. Lakers or Clippers.

I think the raps media will be easier on him then in la
if it is true the raptors look for endorsement deal local will make uncle happy

ESPN thinks the Spurs blew it since they just put us at 13th overall and 9th in the WC. I guess we'll see.

It’s the best best deal given the situation Kawhi put Spurs in. We get DDR, a proven scorer who can facilitate, a team player both in and out of the locker room, a leader to our young squad, and most of all loyal to the team who will work hard for him. I expect him to retire a Spur. That an we get a 9th pick 7 footer with high ceiling and a first pick, from someone who is a cancer. Thank you Toronto for bailing us out :bobo

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Originally Posted by Chillen

Who knows. The season will have to play out to tell. The Cavs definitely lost the Irving trade last season for sure, they should have traded LeBron to Lakers and kept Irving, lol.

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This, tbh.

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Originally Posted by LCM

First rule, follow the money. Not the media. Uncle Dennis's Protocol marketing firm hasn't been rolling like he wants, and Frankel, Kawhi's technical agent, has been in debt past his eyeballs for many years. The kicker of interest for me was the lawsuit in Florida. That was spearheaded by Kawhi's first representative, Mr Elfus, getting Kawhi to directly said that Kawhi paid the money to IMPACT so this man should receive his commission for the contracts Kawhi signed with Spurs. Only IMPACT allegedly never paid him. Download it off the Internet. It's free. Any reporter can access it and it will lead you straight to Jeff and Joseph Sutton. Then you Google them and I found the Forbes article. It's all there to find, you just have to look and read.

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You are making all the sauce clowns contemplating suicide, my friend. How dare you not to play the insider who has a colleague of a friend who overheard his brother in law talk about all this.

The sauce clowns would have feasted and embrass themsleves for a whole month on here with 1% of that knowledge.

spurs lost because of the situation kawhi put them in.

but if you acknowledge that kawhi's trade demand already weakened the spurs and look at it purely from that starting point, i think its about even.

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Originally Posted by JPB

You are making all the sauce clowns contemplating suicide, my friend. How dare you not to play the insider who has a colleague of a friend who overheard his brother in law talk about all this.

The sauce clowns would have feasted and embrass themsleves for a whole month on here with 1% of that knowledge.

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Makes you wonder how hard people who make their living in the information arena are really trying to find out the reasons things are happening. Or who might be the real people with pull that are making decisions. I'm just a regular Spurs fan who found the lawsuit PDF and The Forbes article in one day. Do have to credit Michael C Wright for his appearance on the Back to Back podcast on July 5th I believe. It was then we learning of the hide and go seek of the Spurs Brass wanting to see Kawhi in NYC, and that getting squashed by "Kawahi's people". We all assume it was Uncle Dennis, but could the Sutton's have been a part of that was well? I'm trying to find out if one of the Sutton's main buildings they work out of is close to the NBPA union building that Kawhi was doing his rehab out of. Could the Sutton's be the people who kept the Spurs from Kawhi?

I don't know. That is why I'm asking questions. Trying to find out. The only other Spurs related fan site that has mentioned the Suttons, Joseph Sutton in particular, is the Spurs Reddit site. About 21 days ago there was a post by Audvera Heights concerning Frankel and the Suttons in trying to develop alternate means of income for players who are apart of their sports agency such as investing in real estate for example for a means to get more fees from the players than just the money they would receive for a players standard contract. There was also a big shake up there about Joseph Sutton closing his twitter account for calling LeBron James a faggot in 2014. There is a screen shot of the remarks out there, I've seen it. Would be rather awkward for Kawhi Leonard's representatives for the agency he is a part of having that kind of attitude toward the player the media most wants KL to play with in LBJ.

got posted twice. Sorry

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Originally Posted by LCM

The people who won the trade are Jeff and Joseph Sutton of New York City. They are the money behind IMPACT, the agency that Kawhi is a part of, who bought out Mitchell Frankel's debt of 4.7 million from Cobalt Sports Capital and put an additional 10 million into the agency to be run by Joseph Sutton. Jeff Sutton is werth 3.6 billion in real estate and other ventures. They are the people who are paying Uncle Dennis and Kawhi's mom through IMPACT. They are going to be the power brokers as to where Kawhi goes next. Kawhi Leonard is the reason they bought IMPACT, they want to get into the basketball game. IMPACT has mainly delt with football players. Short money and very little guaranteed. The Sutton's want to market Kawhi and have him be the beacon to get other NBA players, with longer contracts and guaranteed money in their agency stable. Forbes article Feb 28th 2017 if you want to read up on them. They are people who are being sued by Kawhi's first agent, Mr Elfus, in Florida. PDF of lawsuit is an easy download. These are the people who won the trade because they nurtured it to happen.

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Originally Posted by LCM

Say Kawhi leaves Toronto next year, but doesn't go to LA. Builds a super team in Brooklyn. They could have 50 to 70 million in cap room. Sean Marks Spurs trained is Nets GM. In the Sutton's backyard, under Dolan and the Knicks nose, and the Nets wouldn't need to use draft picks because Kawhi, Kyrie, and Jimmy Butler are all UFA next summer. Also, you don't have to share the spotlight with LBJ in LA. You don't have to put up with that fan base who are even vandalizing pictures of LBJ. And you'll still have the media on your side because you are in their backyard in New York.

Leaving Toronto would hasten the rebuild, so knock them from contention, so you only have to deal with Boston and Philly to get to Finals. Kawhi is going to stay in the East, the Sutton's will get Uncle Dennis to do their dirty work to make sure that happens. He can visit LA in the off season.

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Originally Posted by LCM

First rule, follow the money. Not the media. Uncle Dennis's Protocol marketing firm hasn't been rolling like he wants, and Frankel, Kawhi's technical agent, has been in debt past his eyeballs for many years. The kicker of interest for me was the lawsuit in Florida. That was spearheaded by Kawhi's first representative, Mr Elfus, getting Kawhi to directly said that Kawhi paid the money to IMPACT so this man should receive his commission for the contracts Kawhi signed with Spurs. Only IMPACT allegedly never paid him. Download it off the Internet. It's free. Any reporter can access it and it will lead you straight to Jeff and Joseph Sutton. Then you Google them and I found the Forbes article. It's all there to find, you just have to look and read.

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Bold this man. Looks like the Holts and Pop underbid against an NYC landlord billionaire and lost. Spurfan will just have to learn to like the Livio-Jean Charles, Joffrey Lauvergnes and Sepo Ginobilis of the world carrying on that winning patfo culture.

That rumor about Brooklyn's capspace becoming a free agent destination next year that could host an undisputed superteam in the east to out-armsrace GSW makes a lot more sense now with Sutton getting named as the hand behind the curtain. On top of Sutton's Times Square billboards and Nike stores, Brookyln has Sean Marks managing them and Tiago on the payroll as a recruiter.

I really hope Pop has Becky in mind as his heir like some of SA's bloggers love to repeatedly imply so Ettore "Pace-and-Space on Steroids" Messina can find a new head position in what could and would be the newest and strongest incarnation of Spurs East. Irving, Leonard, Davis...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

https://www.scribd.com/document/3832...ons#from_embed

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www.12up.com has an article about Joseph Sutton and his remarks about LeBron James on twitter. Article is dated July 2nd 2018 and written by Matt Stranzl. Short read but informative.

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Originally Posted by barbacoataco

ESPN thinks the Spurs blew it since they just put us at 13th overall and 9th in the WC. I guess we'll see.

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Typical ESPN narrative about the Spurs. I am not overly enthusiastic about the roster. But just comparing the incoming players to the outgoing players who actually played, this team stacks up much better imho.

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Originally Posted by lmbebo

We lost a top 3 player in the league. No way we win this trade, ever.

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Did he play last year? Doubt he plays much this year. Ouch my quad hurts sorry can’t play.

lma and DeRozan are going to carry the spurs
they are both pissed they think leonard was the spurs!

the fans.

I just feel like the odds of him having a great season next year, and going on to have a great rest of his career are basically zero. Something is seriously wrong with him mentally and possibly physically. Yes he might have a good two or three months next year which will cause Spurs fans to freak out. But just be patient. I don’t see him being a great player for years to come. Something is just not right.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Toronto.

Because there's a good chance Kawhi will end up re-signing there.

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No way

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Originally Posted by sasaint

Typical ESPN narrative about the Spurs. I am not overly enthusiastic about the roster. But just comparing the incoming players to the outgoing players who actually played, this team stacks up much better imho.

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This team will be much better and correct noting that Kawhi didn't play all season.

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Originally Posted by TekXX

Both lost.

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This.
Lakers or whatever team that will sign Kawhi as a free agent next summer won this trade.

Jakob Poeltl, is the only True winner of this trade. Under Popovich, he will vastly improve. Practicing against Lamarcus Adridge everyday will teach him so much. I am not saying he will be a all-star, but I think the Spurs will be able to develop him to a point where he will be starting center solid double - double. Allowing the Spurs to be set at Center for the next 10-12 years, regardless if 2015 draft pick Nikola Milutinov ever comes over or not.