Rasho pwns you!
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Rasho pwns you!
All coaches and GMs spin things. Why ignore the obvious, though? Nazr has missed a lot of time with the birth of the baby and now his wife's health. A lot of critical practice time that Nazr needs to absorb and practice the schemes. Being on the sidelines due to injury is one thing, but being totally away from practice and out of earshot or eyesight is clearly another.
Nazr needs to keep his teammates trust on his defensive assignments and he needs to improve his ability to catch even the easiest of passes on the first try.
You don't need reasons to jettison a guy if you can replace him with better skills or abilities.
And this has always been the standard to which others (Rasho) have been held in this forum, so why not Nazr?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
And just to avoid future misunderstandings - if Nazr comes back strong and shows on the floor he deserves to start, then he should start. As for the spin conspiracy, even if it's true (which I doubt), does anybody here thinks it would be done for any other reason than the benefit of the team/club?
So we have a guy whose wife had a baby and is ill and he's a chump because he's missed some of training camp? Come on.
Yes, the Spurs are spinning like clockwork. Why can't they just come out and say, 'hey, we want Oberto to start because his contract is a fraction of Radoslav's and what Mohammed's will be'? This isn't hard. That never seems to be enough for Pop. He has to make the guy sound bad to the public.
"for any other reason than the benefit of the team/club"
no. I think Pop's "invisible hand" in improving the club is as honest as it is ruthless, but it's not perfect.
Malik would still be here if the hustling, spark-plug Malik of 02/03 had repeated, maybe even improved, himself in 03/04/05. He didn't, so he's gone.
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Originally Posted by Slomo
I guess I shouldn't have asked...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Did I miss where anyone called him a chump?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Shouldn't fans of the team be happy to see Rasho playing well- or do you dislike him so much that you want him to play poorly so you can be right?
He has come in and shown he wants to play, he wants to contribute, and he has worked hard to try to win his starting job back while still having the team first, I will do whatever the coach asks me attitude he has always had. He hasn't had a chip on his shoulder and acted pissed about the summer of trade rumors. An aggresive Rasho who plays to the best of his abilties will always be better than Nazr for this team. As for Pop's comments about Nazr, they are simply truthful. He hasn't looked particulary stellar even before he missed the time. He got clearly outplayed by both Rasho and Fabricio in the scrimmage at the end of the week in the Virgin Islands. I think it is funny- people thought it was great that maybe Oberto would come in here and replace Rasho for a cheaper price, but are up in arms at the thought that he could instead replace Nazr at a cheaper price.
Who said he's a chump? A baby, wife's illness, or even Ramadan hunger are all things that coach Pop understands are life things that need appropriate attention. Nazr hasn't made bad decisions but these things have kept him from learning the system the right way. Now he's behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Nazr needs to put in extra time to catch up now or the Spurs will need to get someone in there who can do a good job. Nazr may still get a 2nd ring, don't worry.
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Rasho starts and gets traded within a month, tops.Quote:
The part about Nazr is very interesting to me. It seems like Rasho might be back as the starter once again.
Mark it down.
Mohammed and Radoslav are gone within a year. Mark that down.
Again, the team will jettison a player because of his contract and try to make him out to be a malcontent in the process. This isn't a conspiracy, it's reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slomo
Maybe or maybe not. Malik wasn't made out to be a malcontent, was he? Yes, the salary commitment was part of the decision and Malik didn't always stay on Pop's good side, but he wasn't a malcontent in Pop's eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....e4178275.html
Though the trade also sheds more than $21 million in future payroll for the Spurs, Popovich called the decision to part with Rose his toughest in the 11 years since he took over as the franchise's general manager.
"I have a big empty spot down there right now," Popovich said. "It was odd coming to practice without him. I'll always miss him.
Seems like Oberto had a good night. Maybe the Spurs should start with Rasho and give Nazr more time to get accustom to the system the Spurs run since he has been out for family issues. Oberto seems like a solid back up but we are going to need Nazr this season. Next season maybe Nazr will sign with another team and we can bring in Luis Scola. Trading Rasho right now is out of the question.
Oberto isn't as long as Nazr or Rasho, but he is really skilled, really smart and he can do many positive things as one of the Bigs. He has a certain flair and creativity in the post. It's a luxury to have so many different types of Bigs, good for different looks on the floor.
Spurs don't make trades in November. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
The Spurs never once tried to make Rasho out to be a malcontent- actually, there are some who wished he would get a little pissed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Actually, nobody makes trades in November. It's practically unheard-of.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
Pop said hes missed time and had an up and down camp.
How is that "spinning" its the truth.
I don't entirely disagree with your point. I don't like it, but it's definitely possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
I do disagree with the idea of making the player to be a malcontent just for some pervert pleasure that Pop or anybody else gets out of it. They will spin informations in the media, but for a purpose (motivate a player, make his price drop, make him sign with the team isntead than wiht a competitor....) - and as much as I (or you) dislike that, you have to agree that it's usually advantageous to the team.
How will they ever learn "the system" if they are not on the floor for considerable periods of time? Rasho did not learn "the system" by sitting on the bench for long stretches.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
Having said that, I do agree with you that he is playing better right now than he did during the second half of the season last year. Wonder what's up with that? (Fear of being traded?)
Wow, this thread is great reading for an old X-files fan. . .
I don't know about the conspiracy theories - I do know that the Spurs can't afford to keep Rasho and Nazr. And that they've tried shopping Rasho, with no success, and that it seems Nazr's value is going to be too high unless they ship Rasho and someone else (appears it would have to be Barry - but I don't think they intend to lose Barry). And Nazr needed a training camp, and has missed a lot of it (due to things outside his control - I think Pop acknowledged that). So they are going to have to look at moving Nazr, since they can't afford him.
Or downplaying NASR might be CIA Pop's ploy to bring his valued down so the Spurs can sign him when his contract comes up....or NASR is so dumb it really takes some work in preseason to get him to know where to stand...or... :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
Or...(this is after I read all the posts and realized conspiracy was in the air) did anyone notice the dreaded word "Showcase" in the title of this thread?
In journalese, when teams "showcase" a player, that means they're trying to pump up their trade value, doesn't it?
Hmmm...so the Spurs are 'showcasing' the three new additions, Oberto, NVE, and Finley so they can be traded immediately. :depressed
Come clean, Kori, the Spurs told you they wanna trade them, right. :lol :spin
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Originally Posted by ploto
Yeah, they made him out to be a big fat pussy. "Malcontent" is probably the wrong term to use to describe what the Spurs do to players they don't want to pay. 'Defective' might be the best descriptor.