ESPN Summer Forecast: Spurs projected to miss playoffs

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Originally Posted by JakeCuenca

Hayward is better than Derozan, i dont even think its close. His metrics both offensively and defensively are better as well.

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Originally Posted by JakeCuenca

The raptors had the bench last year and ironiclly, i think the Spurs got rid of a legitimate superstar for a legitimiate system player.

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If he can return to his previous form (George did, so he probably will, but you never know), I agree.

DeRozan isn't a system player. He's among the better shot creators in the league.

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Originally Posted by TimmyBuckets

What is that?

I also can't completely disagree with your list, but I think it can be argued that he's a top 15-20 player. Tbh, I've always been really low on him, but now that he's in SA, I'm super hype lol.

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It's a relatively common term, meaning someone who follows something closely. I don't know why that idiot tried to turn it into some macho thing.

There's no credible argument for his being a top 15-20 player. Of course he's capable of playing at that level for stretches (including the first half of last season, which was the best he's ever played) though, as are all of the players I listed and arguably even a few I left off.

Let's look at this like it's 2012:

Parker -- DeRozan
Green -- Murray
Leonard -- ????
Duncan -- Aldridge
Splitter -- Poeltl
Neal -- Mills
Ginobili -- Ginobili
Diaw -- Gasol
Jackson -- Gay
Bonner -- Bertans

The only position where this team improves on 2012 is Gay over Jack. Mills and DeRozan are close to pushes with their counterparts, and there's hope that Murray and Poeltl will be improve past their counterparts. Offensively, LMA might have it over Tim, but defensively, it's not that close. Obviously, though, the biggest issue is that they have no one who can be even rookie Kawhi right now. Best I can see is snagging Ariza on a buyout. Or I guess Blossom could take a completely unrealistic leap. Had SA secured OG from Toronto, then this could at least be an interesting idea to see how these guys do over the next couple of years. They should still make the playoffs, but they have a lot of gelling and growing to do.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

Them and Philly both finished with 30 wins in their final 35 games; and they were winning by big margins, too. The Jazz retained all its players.

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Schedule! The calendar helped them, have a look. Don't get me wrong, I really like what the Jazz do as a team. RESPECT to Quinn Schneider, Mitchell and their guys. Anyway, I think they are being overestimated on predictions.

GSW is on a different level, let's see the impact Carmelo has on the Rockets. Behind these two, there is a group of teams with playoff potential to be proven: OKC, UTA, SAS, DEN, LAL, MIN, NOP, POR, and even DAL, MEM and LAC. Any of this group is a click or an injury away from having a good/bad season.

Is too early to predict who will make the playoffs or not. There are too many variables and too many teams. I'm more interested in analysis than forecasts. You have to wait to watch the teams play, at least. Is crazy to make predictions about team performance when the rosters and coaches haven't even made a practice together.

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Originally Posted by Coach X

Schedule! The calendar helped them, have a look. Don't get me wrong, I really like what the Jazz do as a team. RESPECT to Quinn Schneider, Mitchell and their guys. Anyway, I think they are being overestimated on predictions.

GSW is on a different level, let's see the impact Carmelo has on the Rockets. Behind these two, there is a group of teams with playoff potential to be proven: OKC, UTA, SAS, DEN, LAL, MIN, NOP, POR, and even DAL, MEM and LAC. Any of this group is a click or an injury away from having a good/bad season.

Is too early to predict who will make the playoffs or not. There are too many variables and too many teams. I'm more interested in analysis than forecasts. You have to wait to watch the teams play, at least. Is crazy to make predictions about team performance when the rosters and coaches haven't even made a practice together.

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Is it possible the Jazz were just really hot? Sure. But they were crushing teams; and I would expect to see a lot of that success rolling over given that they're a young team. For me, I'm not arguing that they're better than GSW or Hou, though we'll see. I'm saying they're a team that should cover 50 wins for starters.

Spurs will be fine tbh.

50W may be too many. Or not.

Jazz are not that super young: Rubio, Ingles, Favors, Gobert, Crowder... The team strength is they play really solid, they're not losing against bad teams. I don't think they are much better than any of the other teams of the same group, though. Think of this games: UTA-OKC, UTA-SAS, UTA-DEN, UTA-MIN, UTA-LAL, etc. They will need to play well vs all these teams in order to beat them and they could do it.
All the teams in that group are in a similar situation. I'm eager to start watching games. Can't wait to find out how that weird Lakers roster works, what happens in MIN's locker room, was Carmelo the problem in OKC or will he be at HOU, will the young teams confirm or bust, what about the brand new projects, and what about the retouched ones? No current stats model has the answers, games have to be played.

ESPN and the media as a whole despises the Spurs, so this is no surprise.

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Originally Posted by Vic Petro

Bullshit. The Rockets can win a ring, the Celtics can win a ring, Philly can win. Who on those teams has done it before?

Though, I will say your use of quotation marks is really devastating and a terrific device for asserting your intellectual superiority, so congrats on that.

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And Bullshit is a great word of dominance, it works for you :toast

6th or 7 th seed save a major injury

1st round exit tho

Still :lmao espn