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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Pavlov
Did Kyle Anderson even do those tests?
Did anyone say Anderson has good agility?
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
Did anyone say Anderson has good agility?
Well, it's just that he played a lot of SF.
It was an honest question about his test results. I'd love to compare but i've only found N/As so far.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
SpursDynasty85
Small ball lineups usually consist of a legit center/of as the 5 with a combination of gaurd and wings at the 1-4. There are obviously some exceptions but ultimately it all comes down to positionless basketball. Even if Metu is the 5 against GS, the biggest weakness for the Spurs is when the center or smaller guy switches onto KD and making sure Klay is chained down. As long as Metu can gaurd KD/Lebron/Harden on switches for few stretches it will give us the best chance to contend for a championship. We really don't care what position you call him. Especially on our roster say you have Aldridge and Gay in there along with Metu for length which of these guys has quicker lateral footspeed? I think most would say Metu.
Circumstantially:
Aldridge
Gay
Metu
DeRozan
White/Murray
For when length and size is needed.
:lmao Suffice it to say, curb your enthusiasm with Metu.
Even if that lineup had sufficient mobility, it wouldn't have enough stretch.
In matchups where playing 2 traditional bigs together isn't applicable and size on the wings is needed, expect Bertans and Cunningham to have increased roles.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
Look at his combine results before popping off like that. Him driving and pulling up doesn't make him mobile, especially defensively. Hell, Bertans can that better than Metu can, and I don't see you saying he's a three.
I just did. He is top 5 for pf/c in the agility drills. How can you say he is not more agile than most centers? Your use of quantitive evidence clearly supports he is above average in that regard. NbA is getting smaller but Centers are not. Most small ball lineups include 1 7 footer from my observation.
Also, game tape can say a lot more than draft stats. He looks plenty agile and makes play that I see small forwards make all the time.
He will likely play 5 more than 3 because Popovich tends to go extra small but in certain lineups we need him in there with Aldrodge and Gay. Who cares what position he is on paper? Point is his quickness looks like it will be an asset on switches.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Pavlov
Well, it's just that he played a lot of SF.
It was an honest question about his test results. I'd love to compare but i've only found N/As so far.
I mean, we can talk about Kawhi's combine too, if we're on the subject of random SFs. My point is that Metu doesn't seem to have some special mobility that makes him an SF. If he had been playing that position last year, then it would make sense why folks would argue for him doing so as a pro. But he's a big. Sure, he's small. But he hasn't been a wing and shouldn't be thought of one unless he demonstrates some new ability to be one. I don't have the burden of proof here.
To answer your literal question, Kyle's absent from the official combine stats. I'm assuming he didn't attend.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
TD 21
:lmao
Suffice it to say, curb your enthusiasm with Metu.
Even if that lineup had sufficient mobility, it wouldn't have enough stretch.
In matchups where playing 2 traditional bigs together isn't applicable and size on the wings is needed, expect Bertans and Cunningham to have increased roles.
You sacrifice some stretch for size. There is plenty of shooting in there. All 5 should be able to make corner 3's easy. Lol. I really am getting excited for Metu. Would be great if he panned out as a dynamic 4 for us. Good combo with Poeltl at the front court.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
SpursDynasty85
I just did. He is top 5 for pf/c in the agility drills. How can you say he is not more agile than most centers? Your use of quantitive evidence clearly supports he is above average in that regard. NbA is getting smaller but Centers are not. Most small ball lineups include 1 7 footer from my observation.
Also, game tape can say a lot more than draft stats. He looks plenty agile and makes play that I see small forwards make all the time.
He will likely play 5 more than 3 because Popovich tends to go extra small but in certain lineups we need him in there with Aldrodge and Gay. Who cares what position he is on paper? Point is his quickness looks like it will be an asset on switches.
Metu had the ninth-worst agility time out of anyone in the combine. Not a single perimeter player had a worse one except for Jaylen hands, who went back to school. In fact, the only players who were drafted who had worse agility times than Metu were Kostas and Spellman, the former of whom was drafted 60th overall and the latter being a bulky center who will have no ambiguity in his position. Moreover, Metu was 9/16 for the stat among PF/Cs (again, counting undrafted guys too). So yes, I can say he was not above-average.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
I mean, we can talk about Kawhi's combine too, if we're on the subject of random SFs. My point is that Metu doesn't seem to have some special mobility that makes him an SF. If he had been playing that position last year, then it would make sense why folks would argue for him doing so as a pro. But he's a big. Sure, he's small. But he hasn't been a wing and shouldn't be thought of one unless he demonstrates some new ability to be one. I don't have the burden of proof here.
To answer your literal question, Kyle's absent from the official combine stats. I'm assuming he didn't attend.
lol this isn't a trial. I can see people's squinting to make Metu a SF, even after seeing him in SL. I personally see him as a PF who needs to put on 10 pounds.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
Metu had the ninth-worst agility time out of anyone in the combine. Not a single perimeter player had a worse one except for Jaylen hands, who went back to school. In fact, the only players who were drafted who had worse agility times than Metu were Kostas and Spellman, the former of whom was drafted 60th overall and the latter being a bulky center who will have no ambiguity in his position. Moreover, Metu was 9/16 for the stat among PF/Cs (again, counting undrafted guys too). So yes, I can say he was not above-average.
Which stat are you looking at?
I'm looking at lane agility and shuttle run and he is top 4 and top 5 respectively among the 14 centers and pf/center combos. https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine/
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
SpursDynasty85
Which stat are you looking at?
I'm looking at lane agility and shuttle run and he is top 4 and top 5 respectively among the 14 centers and pf/center combos.
https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine/
Yeah:
https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-...TY_TIME&dir=-1
He's not top four in lane agility. He's one of the worst.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
They lost Tony and Manu and replaced them with DeRozan and White. Walker doesn't count, because he's going to play just as much as White (whom you didn't count for last year) did last season. Anderson at least cancels out Beli. Moreover, last year, the team had offensive issues without Kawhi, so merely replacing that output isn't good enough. The offense would have been fine had they had Leonard's scoring and gravity, but this year's team won't get that. When you lose as much D as they did, you can't just tread water offensively.
Even so, last year, the team had White and Murray as PGs behind Parker and Manu. Murray started because Tony was still hurt, but they still had the depth to take two injuries. Now we're expecting every one of the "facilitators" to be in the rotation. If one of them goes down, they aren't being replaced by Murray or White. They are being replaced by Forbes, Pondexter or Cunningham.
Do you remember the last time the Spurs drafted in the top 20? They drafted James Anderson, and he played 26 games, right up to the point where he fractured his fifth metatarsal. The Spurs had Walker in the top 10 on their draft board. I’m not sure the same rules apply that do when they draft in the late 20s.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
Bro look at the section where it compares within his position group. He is listed as a pf/c. Clearly in the section where it groups those players as well as purely centers his name is top 4 and top 5. You are saying he is below average compared to all pgs, wings, forwards and centers? Sure. But he is clearly above average compared to other centers.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
What happened, is that you filter only for players who had C in their designation. That puts Metu at four, but everyone after him did not get drafted except for the aforementioned Spellman. Beating out a bunch of non-NBA players doesn't mean anything.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
I really hope both new bigs get a chance early in the season to win a spot on the bench.
Compared to LMA plodder, they both have wide open, mobile games. Can't wait to see them, Pop allowing.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
What happened, is that you filter only for players who had C in their designation. That puts Metu at four, but everyone after him did not get drafted except for the aforementioned Spellman. Beating out a bunch of non-NBA players doesn't mean anything.
No just scroll down. Don't use the filters. It's clear as day.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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NbA is getting smaller but Centers are not. Most small ball lineups include 1 7 footer from my observation.
They are. Not always in height, but weight. Plenty of current C's were or would have been PF's in the past.
There's very few in shoes 7 footers, never mind barefoot. You still need a rim protector in small ball lineups, but being 7 foot doesn't automatically mean being a rim protector (Kaminsky, Nowitzki, Olynyk, Leonard, etc.). Within' reason, length is more important than height.
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Originally Posted by
SpursDynasty85
You sacrifice some stretch for size. There is plenty of shooting in there. All 5 should be able to make corner 3's easy. Lol. I really am getting excited for Metu. Would be great if he panned out as a dynamic 4 for us. Good combo with Poeltl at the front court.
Bertans and Cunningham represent size.
:wow Not a single remotely threatening, much less dynamic 3-point shooter. Any defense would pack the paint, bait them to fire away and they'd labor to score.
There is no non garbage time scenario where Metu and Poeltl should be playing together.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
SpursDynasty85
Bro look at the section where it compares within his position group. He is listed as a pf/c. Clearly in the section where it groups those players as well as purely centers his name is top 4 and top 5. You are saying he is below average compared to all pgs, wings, forwards and centers? Sure. But he is clearly above average compared to other centers.
No. You've been filtering incorrectly. You're comparing him to the centers, in which case, he's the second-worst among centers drafted. Everyone else either went undrafted or withdrew because their combine numbers sucked. The only guy he beat out was Spellman. Once you add PFs in the mix (meaning once you add in his actual position), Metu becomes well below-average. I assume adding in wings would just make it worse.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
SpursDynasty85
No just scroll down. Don't use the filters. It's clear as day.
No. You filtered for Centers only, ignoring PFs if they weren't PF/C. PF/C doesn't mean PFs and C. It means a guy who is in between those positions. Unambiguous players get one or the other, and adding in pure PFs makes it a more honest data set.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
No. You've been filtering incorrectly. You're comparing him to the centers, in which case, he's the second-worst among centers drafted. Everyone else either went undrafted or withdrew because their combine numbers sucked. The only guy he beat out was Spellman. Once you add PFs in the mix (meaning once you add in his actual position), Metu becomes well below-average. I assume adding in wings would just make it worse.
It's the combine! This was a deep draft and younger talent is becoming increasingly agile and long. The drafted centers will probably all be above average to today's starting centers. The website filtered it for me. I didn't mess with the filters.
These are fresh young guys who make it to the combine based on their potential and athleticism. All these guys are near their athletic peak for combine results. Strength and skill grow but their combine numbers will not get better but worse as they age. Metu is easily as agile as most of not better than today's NBA centers.
Anyways, can we agree he seems to have potential as a decent big guarding some of the perimeter players at least? That's the minimum we are going to need from anybody to against Houston and GS.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
TD 21
They are. Not always in height, but weight. Plenty of current C's were or would have been PF's in the past.
There's very few in shoes 7 footers, never mind barefoot. You still need a rim protector in small ball lineups, but being 7 foot doesn't automatically mean being a rim protector (Kaminsky, Nowitzki, Olynyk, Leonard, etc.). Within' reason, length is more important than height.
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Bertans and Cunningham represent size.
:wow Not a single remotely threatening, much less dynamic 3-point shooter. Any defense would pack the paint, bait them to fire away and they'd labor to score.
There is no non garbage time scenario where Metu and Poeltl should be playing together.
Metu and Poeltl will be our future front court watch. That combo looks great offensively and defensively. I guess you don't trust Metu at all with a jumpshot?
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
SpursDynasty85
It's the combine! This was a deep draft and younger talent is becoming increasingly agile and long. The drafted centers will probably all be above average to today's starting centers. The website filtered it for me. I didn't mess with the filters.
These are fresh young guys who make it to the combine based on their potential and athleticism. All these guys are near their athletic peak for combine results. Strength and skill grow but their combine numbers will not get better but worse as they age. Metu is easily as agile as most of not better than today's NBA centers.
Anyways, can we agree he seems to have potential as a decent big guarding some of the perimeter players at least? That's the minimum we are going to need from anybody to against Houston and GS.
I don't think we can agree on that. I mean, sure it's possible, and I hope so. But being physically able to move fast enough to keep up with wings doesn't mean much if the player isn't fundamentally sound in their perimeter defense. Being a big who can switch on a PnR is one thing and a pretty good goal for Metu to aspire to. But being able to go up and down the floor with any SF is a lot to ask. It requires skills I don't think it's fair to say Metu should have. Of course, could he randomly have those skills and thus become a different player? Maybe. But I haven't seen a single reason to think he has those or should have his development go in that direction.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
No. You filtered for Centers only, ignoring PFs if they weren't PF/C. PF/C doesn't mean PFs and C. It means a guy who is in between those positions. Unambiguous players get one or the other, and adding in pure PFs makes it a more honest data set.
Why? Your statement was he is not average compared to centers. In a pool of Centers and PF/C ar the combine he was top 5 for the two agility drills. This evidence clearly does not prove your theory. Just saying. All draft analysis previously has Metu with quick feet and good agility for a big man. Your just being ignorant when you say he is not even average for a center.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
I don't think we can agree on that. I mean, sure it's possible, and I hope so. But being physically able to move fast enough to keep up with wings doesn't mean much if the player isn't fundamentally sound in their perimeter defense. Being a big who can switch on a PnR is one thing and a pretty good goal for Metu to aspire to. But being able to go up and down the floor with any SF is a lot to ask. It requires skills I don't think it's fair to say Metu should have. Of course, could he randomly have those skills and thus become a different player? Maybe. But I haven't seen a single reason to think he has those or should have his development go in that direction.
In the end it will be only situationally ge may gaurd 3s I believe. The same way we had Gay and Bertans on Durant. Those guys cannot do it for 30 mph but can in 10 mph spurts which is what Metu (hopefully a little more because he appears quicker than both at this stage in their careers) will get to.
Against Houston we will see PJ Tucker and Carmelo at the 3. Metu is a better fit to gaurd those guys than DeRozan. Gay and Bertans could too but so can Metu I think. If it works out, it would be great because Metu can drive and dunk viciously over those guys. Would be exciting and fun to watch it in spurts.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
SpursDynasty85
Why? Your statement was he is not average compared to centers. In a pool of Centers and PF/C ar the combine he was top 5 for the two agility drills. This evidence clearly does not prove your theory. Just saying. All draft analysis previously has Metu with quick feet and good agility for a big man. Your just being ignorant when you say he is not even average for a center.
As I said, he was the second-worst out of centers that actually got drafted. The combine numbers support that. Constantly using "ignorant" over and over doesn't negate that. Your argument is that he was top-five. But he was top-five out of a pool of six.
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Re: Spurs Sign 2nd Round Pick Metu
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Originally Posted by
SpursDynasty85
In the end it will be only situationally ge may gaurd 3s I believe. The same way we had Gay and Bertans on Durant. Those guys cannot do it for 30 mph but can in 10 mph spurts which is what Metu (hopefully a little more because he appears quicker than both at this stage in their careers) will get to.
Against Houston we will see PJ Tucker and Carmelo at the 3. Metu is a better fit to gaurd those guys than DeRozan. Gay and Bertans could too but so can Metu I think. If it works out, it would be great because Metu can drive and dunk viciously over those guys. Would be exciting and fun to watch it in spurts.
It might be. But I don't like Metu versus big threes either. I totally see Cunningham getting those minutes. Metu is tall enough, but he has the bulk of a wing. Any hefty post player will eat him up.
