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SI 18-19 Top 100 players
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/09/10/to...ce=twitter.com
Before inevitably glossing over most of the reasoning and complaining about bias and underrating certain volume perimeter scorers, keep in mind these are projections for the coming season, so suspected age related improvement/decline is factored in, as well as recent injury history, among other things.
Spurs rankings . . .
Gasol: 98
Murray: 89
DeRozan: 30
Aldridge: 21
DeRozan and Aldridge are right in line with where I had them, as top 30ish and 20ish players . . .
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...15#post9485015
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It is funny that Aldridge and DeRozan were top 10 players according to the all nba teams last year, but not top 20 in preseason predictions.
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Given some of the names on that list i'm kinda surprised that Rudy didn't make it.
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Canyonero
No Manu = shitty list
Manu is no longer an NBA player...
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What a horrible list. Lots of screw ups in there. DeMar should be a little higher 26ish. I knew it was the shits as soon as I saw Lonzo Ball at 100.
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SpurSpike
Manu is no longer an NBA player...
Irrelevant imo
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cd98
It is funny that Aldridge and DeRozan were top 10 players according to the all nba teams last year, but not top 20 in preseason predictions.
The big 3 and Popovich effect. Rankings mean nothing anyway.
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cd98
It is funny that Aldridge and DeRozan were top 10 players according to the all nba teams last year, but not top 20 in preseason predictions.
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cd98
It is funny that Aldridge and DeRozan were top 10 players according to the all nba teams last year, but not top 20 in preseason predictions.
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TD 21
:lmao
Circumstances led to that. The Raptors were the 2nd best regular season team in the league, thanks mostly to their league best bench and Lowry, but DeRozan was their leading scorer (often wrongly referred to as their best player) and is a nice guy, so he probably got a lot of votes from archaic types.
Even with injury hurting the candidacy of the likes of Curry, Paul, Irving, Wall, he came back down to earth in the 2nd half (granted, his dad was hospitalized and he was often flying to L.A. on off days) and shouldn't have made the All-NBA team period.
In Aldridge's case, I knew he'd have a bounce back, if not career season, but his counting stats and narrative (after the obvious names, these unfortunately continue to primarily determine the remainder of spots) would have been lesser had Leonard played and there would have been one less forward spot available.
Aldridge is better than Hayward, Love, Griffin (unless he regains previous form) and Porzingis, but they all would have created more competition had they been healthier.
If people actually thought Aldridge and DeRozan were top 10 players, the trade wouldn't have received so much criticism and this team would be thought of as a championship contender.
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Did Patty make the top 400 at least?
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BD24
Draymond at 13 :lol
One of the most overrated scrubs in NBA history. Gawd, I forgot how much I fucking hate the warriors.
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Putting Al Horford over KAT is problematic.
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BD24
Draymond at 13 :lol
I can see him playing his whole entire career in Golden State. He knows deep down in his heart that if he goes anywhere else he will get exposed which is why he will take pay cuts.
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Putting Al Horford over KAT is problematic.
Yea, I thought Horford top 15 was questionable.
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DMC
Putting Al Horford over KAT is problematic.
KAT lead his team to the 8th seed. He needs to earn it.
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SpursDynasty85
KAT lead his team to the 8th seed. He needs to earn it.
Al is a role player and afraid of a rebound.
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I'm outraged! I need a safe space.
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You could arrange 14-22 in any order. You could argue LMA is better than KAT & Jokic because of the disparity in defense & that he's a much more dominant scorer than Horford.
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DMC
Al is a role player and afraid of a rebound.
You should listen to Brad Steven's talk about Horford's importance and the fact he is untouchable on an already loaded roster. Hes had way more playoff success and regular season success than KAT but I guess stats play a part for sure but when I see KAT I see a guy who doesn't know how to win yet. He is a tweener. He is pretty fit and somewhat athletic and skilled but not big enough or quick enough to be dominant. Maybe if he became better at the pick n roll and a better passer like Hordford he would be a more complete player and could help his team win more games. He has potential though.
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I have Gay over Gasol tbh
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Shit list. Al Horford and Draymond Green specially.
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Aldridge is better than Hayward, Love, Griffin (unless he regains previous form) and Porzingis, but they all would have created more competition had they been healthier.
It depends which Aldridge we get next season.
Out of shape, and fat Aldridge for the first half the season ( like the previous two seasons), or motivated, in shape, pissed off Aldridge ( the one we saw last year).
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TD 21
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/09/10/to...ce=twitter.com
Before inevitably glossing over most of the reasoning and complaining about bias and underrating certain volume perimeter scorers, keep in mind these are projections for the coming season, so suspected age related improvement/decline is factored in, as well as recent injury history, among other things.
Spurs rankings . . .
Gasol: 98
Murray: 89
DeRozan: 30
Aldridge: 21
DeRozan and Aldridge are right in line with where I had them, as top 30ish and 20ish players . . .
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...15#post9485015
Only issue I see (amongst Spurs) is Pau over Gay. Gay had a limited role last season and was recovering from a career altering injury, yet I still think he has more talent and ability left in the tank than Pau (obviously).
Either Gay goes above pay or neither player should be on the list. Pau has nice advanced stats, but the eye test tells one that he's rapidly on the decline (wouldn't be surprised if Poetl takes his job mid season).
:rolleyes:rolleyes putting Draymond Green or Al Horford above LaMarcus Aldridge. If either guy was forced to carry a team alone it would be lottery bound not in the playoffs like SA last season.
Both are great pieces to championship or contending teams, but neither is top 20 or capable of carrying a team.
Also, I've always thought CBS' pre season NBA player list was the best and most thought out. While, SLAM magazine has the least thought out and informed list, IMO.
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Aldridge is underrated, but then again this list is supposed to be a prediction for this season and I'm sure he won't have the same stats as last year
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J_Paco
Only issue I see (amongst Spurs) is Pau over Gay. Gay had a limited role last season and was recovering from a career altering injury, yet I still think he has more talent and ability left in the tank than Pau (obviously).
Either Gay goes above pay or neither player should be on the list. Pau has nice advanced stats, but the eye test tells one that he's rapidly on the decline (wouldn't be surprised if Poetl takes his job mid season).
:rolleyes:rolleyes putting Draymond Green or Al Horford above LaMarcus Aldridge. If either guy was forced to carry a team alone it would be lottery bound not in the playoffs like SA last season.
Both are great pieces to championship or contending teams, but neither is top 20 or capable of carrying a team.
Also, I've always thought CBS' pre season NBA player list was the best and most thought out. While, SLAM magazine has the least thought out and informed list, IMO.
It makes no sense for Ibaka to be 78th and Wiggins 74th, but Gay to not even make biggest snubs.
Green and Horford over Aldridge is one of those ones that partially goes to what you value in the game, but also context. They couldn't do what he does and vice versa, but the argument for them is their skillsets are rarer.
Middleton over DeRozan is similar, but I actually think that one is more unfounded. Middleton isn't quite the 3 and D wing he's portrayed as and he's a less dynamic creator.
I don't know about CBS, but SI sure as hell beats ESPN.
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TD 21
It makes no sense for Ibaka to be 78th and Wiggins 74th, but Gay to not even make biggest snubs.
Green and Horford over Aldridge is one of those ones that partially goes to what you value in the game, but also context. They couldn't do what he does and vice versa, but the argument for them is their skillsets are rarer.
Middleton over DeRozan is similar, but I actually think that one is more unfounded. Middleton isn't quite the 3 and D wing he's portrayed as and he's a less dynamic creator.
I don't know about CBS, but SI sure as hell beats ESPN.
Disagree. If LA played a role like Horford ,Green or as soft as KAT most fans would complain he playing timid, not giving 100 percent & unhappy with his role. When you're the number one option on your team context shouldn't come into the equation when doing these lists. They have to take on a lot more responsibility.
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Nathan89
Smdh Kawhi at 12.
Thought this was interesting, according to this source Kawhi has missed 27% of his team’s regular-season games during his career.
Love the fact that SI kinda rips on him...
"To make matters worse, he behaved in reprehensible fashion for a max-level franchise player throughout his injury absence, drawing soft rebukes and subliminal digs from his legendary coach and teammates.
Regardless of what happened behind closed doors or on the training table, Leonard is solely responsible for months of poor communication, for his ill-fated “Spur for life” press conference, and for the distracting “Uncle Dennis” chatter. He’s solely responsible for leaving his teammates up in the air about his availability in the run-up to the playoffs and for staying away from the Spurs during the postseason. LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, and Anthony Davis would never behave like Leonard did because they understand and accept that being an A-list superstar requires comporting oneself like a chief executive."
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SpurSpike
Thought this was interesting, according to this source Kawhi has missed 27% of his team’s regular-season games during his career.
Love the fact that SI kinda rips on him...
"To make matters worse, he behaved in reprehensible fashion for a max-level franchise player throughout his injury absence, drawing soft rebukes and subliminal digs from his legendary coach and teammates.
Regardless of what happened behind closed doors or on the training table, Leonard is solely responsible for months of poor communication, for his ill-fated “Spur for life” press conference, and for the distracting “Uncle Dennis” chatter. He’s solely responsible for leaving his teammates up in the air about his availability in the run-up to the playoffs and for staying away from the Spurs during the postseason. LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, and Anthony Davis would never behave like Leonard did because they understand and accept that being an A-list superstar requires comporting oneself like a chief executive."
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Nice public image to begin making business with. Good job uncle Dennis!
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SpurSpike
Thought this was interesting, according to this source Kawhi has missed 27% of his team’s regular-season games during his career.
Love the fact that SI kinda rips on him...
"To make matters worse, he behaved in reprehensible fashion for a max-level franchise player throughout his injury absence, drawing soft rebukes and subliminal digs from his legendary coach and teammates.
Regardless of what happened behind closed doors or on the training table, Leonard is solely responsible for months of poor communication, for his ill-fated “Spur for life” press conference, and for the distracting “Uncle Dennis” chatter. He’s solely responsible for leaving his teammates up in the air about his availability in the run-up to the playoffs and for staying away from the Spurs during the postseason. LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, and Anthony Davis would never behave like Leonard did because they understand and accept that being an A-list superstar requires comporting oneself like a chief executive."
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Fuck Kawhi, bitch ass nigga. Probably why his dad got taken out.
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RD2191
Fuck Kawhi, bitch ass nigga. Probably why his dad got taken out.
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:lmao
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RD2191
Fuck Kawhi, bitch ass nigga. Probably why his dad got taken out.
Well that escalated quickly
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Nathan89
Smdh Kawhi at 12.
He was expected to be MVP last season if he continued his trajectory of two seasons ago... but he sat out a whole season, played 15 minutes stints with more than a couple night rests in between games, proceeded to complain of pain and truly you have to conjecture to predict what kind of a season he will have.
He could be MVP next season or fall off 100 altogether if he gets reinjured and continues a downslope fall. A safe guess is that he will be somewhere near where he's ranked, not quite the MVP, but hopefully healthy enough to rank among the very best on a good night. Will he be able to stay healthy, play B2B, etc. No one knows.
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RD2191
Fuck Kawhi, bitch ass nigga. Probably why his dad got taken out.
Cheesees man.
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RD2191
Fuck Kawhi, bitch ass nigga. Probably why his dad got taken out.
Pop may have been the one who did it. He went back in time and took him out.
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Lol "if healthy." The dude is healthy. He is simply a coward puppet quitter bitch.
