DeRozan VS Kawhi Spurs Offense.

Kawhi Leonard is without question a better player...not close tbh. Butttt did Kawhi offensive Game trigger the hated “ISO” ball? While extremely efficient/dominant he had tunnel vision and didn’t make others better. His PNR grams wasn’t the best abc his passing ability is his biggest weakness as a player imo.

Derozan on the other hand is a legit creator in the PNR and good playmaker with about 5 assist per game. The Spurs biggest weakness was a consistent dribble drive player and that’s even true when they had Kawhi. It hurt our shooting and without it you can’t even ignite the beautiful game offense.

Adding DeRozan makes us a balanced offensive team. We have an elite ISO scorer and also an elite scorer that can dribble drive. The defense will take a hit but the system will hopefully help hide the flaws. But will the offense be better enough to overcome? I think so..I honestly think this could be one of the best offensive Spurs teams we’ve seen in awhile

Just the simple fact that DeRozan will actually be on the court and willing to play for the Spurs makes him a better option than Leonard on offense and defense.

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Originally Posted by coachmac87

Kawhi Leonard is without question a better player...not close tbh. Butttt did Kawhi offensive Game trigger the hated “ISO” ball? While extremely efficient/dominant he had tunnel vision and didn’t make others better. His PNR grams wasn’t the best abc his passing ability is his biggest weakness as a player imo.

Derozan on the other hand is a legit creator in the PNR and good playmaker with about 5 assist per game. The Spurs biggest weakness was a consistent dribble drive player and that’s even true when they had Kawhi. It hurt our shooting and without it you can’t even ignite the beautiful game offense.

Adding DeRozan makes us a balanced offensive team. We have an elite ISO scorer and an elite an elite scorer that can dribble drive. The defense will take a hit but the system will hopefully help hide the flaws. But will the offense be better enough to overcome? I think so..I honestly think this could be one of the best offensive Spurs teams we’ve seen in awhile

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Astute.

I agree with the comments about Kawhi and ISO ball. I'm not saying DeRozen is the guy to convert us back to the beautiful game or anything but, I do think he is will and able if we go that direction. I still think we need a 3D guy at the SF who can pass the ball. Maybe Gay can somewhat fulfill that role but, he's light on the 3 and the D. If he will buy in he's athletic enough though.

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Originally Posted by TXstbobcat

Just the simple fact that DeRozan will actually be on the court and willing to play for the Spurs makes him a better option than Leonard on offense and defense.

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sad but true

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Originally Posted by mo7888

I agree with the comments about Kawhi and ISO ball. I'm not saying DeRozen is the guy to convert us back to the beautiful game or anything but, I do think he is will and able if we go that direction. I still think we need a 3D guy at the SF who can pass the ball. Maybe Gay can somewhat fulfill that role but, he's light on the 3 and the D. If he will buy in he's athletic enough though.

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I get your use of commas: it's the pauses in your train of thought.
It's cool.
Now learn how to use commas correctly and your ideas and comments will be much easier to translate.

Rock on!

We still have LaMarcus so I'm not sure we're away from the ISO ball yet.

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I get your use of commas: it's the pauses in your train of thought.
It's cool.
Now learn how to use commas correctly and your ideas and comments will be much easier to translate.

Rock on!

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Cool, I might, again, is say might, consider it...

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Cool, I might, again, is say might, consider it...

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Cool. You "is say" it.


Editing is a good thing.

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Cool. You "is say" it.


Editing is a good thing.

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:toast

TBH, I think ISO ball was Pop and Kawhi's way of developing a killer instinct. His next evolution was playmaking which he was supposed to incorporate last year. He probably has plenty of bbiq and skill to increase his assists and play the pick n roll better. His development is going to take a slight hit being on a completely new system and team but he by midseason or next year he should be the best player in basketball.

kawhi didnt have tunnel vision, u know when he has the ball..thats automatic basket for him..

i dunno everyone run with the narrative he has to be a playmaker to take the next step, that playmaker roll should be pg duties, his not a playmaker and doesnt need that shit, when u have shit players surrounding him who couldnt hit a basket...

everytime the spurs needed a basket, he took over... so why does he need to lob it out?

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Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY

kawhi didnt have tunnel vision, u know when he has the ball..thats automatic basket for him..

i dunno everyone run with the narrative he has to be a playmaker to take the next step, that playmaker roll should be pg duties, his not a playmaker and doesnt need that shit, when u have shit players surrounding him who couldnt hit a basket...

everytime the spurs needed a basket, he took over... so why does he need to lob it out?

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Because in the playoffs he'd be smothered in that situation and if he's not used to making a play from that... game over man.

For how great kawhitter was, the Spurs put him in those positions. Those same opportunities will be there for DD.

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Because in the playoffs he'd be smothered in that situation and if he's not used to making a play from that... game over man.

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yeh and when what happen when the defense close down on him, he lobs it out to a midget mills or a lionel richie wannabe green, who cant hit a open 3...

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Originally Posted by TXstbobcat

Just the simple fact that DeRozan will actually be on the court and willing to play for the Spurs makes him a better option than Leonard on offense and defense.

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Originally Posted by coachmac87

Kawhi Leonard is without question a better player...not close tbh. Butttt did Kawhi offensive Game trigger the hated “ISO” ball? While extremely efficient/dominant he had tunnel vision and didn’t make others better. His PNR grams wasn’t the best abc his passing ability is his biggest weakness as a player imo.

Derozan on the other hand is a legit creator in the PNR and good playmaker with about 5 assist per game. The Spurs biggest weakness was a consistent dribble drive player and that’s even true when they had Kawhi. It hurt our shooting and without it you can’t even ignite the beautiful game offense.

Adding DeRozan makes us a balanced offensive team. We have an elite ISO scorer and also an elite scorer that can dribble drive. The defense will take a hit but the system will hopefully help hide the flaws. But will the offense be better enough to overcome? I think so..I honestly think this could be one of the best offensive Spurs teams we’ve seen in awhile

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There was a contingent on ST that lamented/decried the evolution of Number 2 into the ball-dominant first option. In retrospect, with the decline of Tony and Manu, Pop may have had no other viable option. But the dual-iso ball of Number 2 and LMA was a style of play that I will not miss. By default DeRozan/LMA should be a better (or at least, more symbiotic) offensive pairing than Number 2/LMA. However, to be optimal, LMA needs to be less of an iso-player and more of popper/roller in the flow of the offense. It remains to be seen if that is the style that Pop tries to employ, and if so, how willingly LMA adjusts.

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We still have LaMarcus so I'm not sure we're away from the ISO ball yet.

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Yeah but you can’t have 2 iso guys on the team. One iso I think is great to have not more.

I agree with OP that DD should make the O way better. To me KL was a million times more valuable to the team as a defensive monster and hustle play guy than any of the forced offense he put up.

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Originally Posted by Dejounte

We still have LaMarcus so I'm not sure we're away from the ISO ball yet.

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I would not consider LMA a strict "iso" offensive player. Sure - he takes his shots in the offense but it is more of a post up and shoot in his range. I don't see him as clearing an entire side of the floor and going one on one for most of the shot clock.

That’s a good post OP. I like what DDR brings on that side of the ball a little better than Kawhi. Defense is another story.

Short bus passengers think a team with Aldridge, DeRozan, Gay, and Murray will bring the beautiful game back lmfao.

https://youtu.be/P2Y8AfuhSRg

around 9:30 Pop says he’s letting murray run and if others want the ball theyll have to keep up

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Short bus passengers think a team with Aldridge, DeRozan, Gay, and Murray will bring the beautiful game back lmfao.

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That’s not what was said....

But you’re too retarded to understand

Just a better fit

Derozan is a little bit all around player than kawhi..kawhi is only good at scoring like kobe..

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Originally Posted by skin27

Derozan is a little bit all around player than kawhi..kawhi is only good at scoring like kobe..

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What? You realize Kawhi is the best two-way player in the game, right?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

What? You realize Kawhi is the best two-way player in the game, right?

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Wre are talking about offense..

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Originally Posted by skin27

Derozan is a little bit all around player than kawhi..kawhi is only good at scoring like kobe..

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:lol Spurs homers :lol

If we include defense kawhi is better no doubt about that..but if we’re talking about offense demar can do more than kaawhi does..

demar is is a little bit all around player offensively than kawhi

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Originally Posted by skin27

Derozan is a little bit all around player than kawhi..kawhi is only good at scoring like kobe..

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Pause.... No sir

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Wre are talking about offense..

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You said “all around”

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Originally Posted by coachmac87

You said “all around”

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On offense

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On offense

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No sir

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No sir

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accept the truth sir

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accept the truth sir

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Only thing DeRozan is better than Kawhi on offense is at assisting. Every other thing goes Kawhi's way.

Kawhi is a 50/45/92 Stud. A better Iso scorer, a better spacer etc.

Spurmsfans have really fallen :lmao

With that said, DeRozan has been fucking great for us. If only we had a decent team around him.

Lmao.kawhi was the best two way player but who knows now. I wouldn't let him get the benefit of the doubt after a mysterious leg injury. He's still a strong player, physically, but I don't know if he's at the level of a.top 5 defender. The raptor team is good enough he doesn't have to be defensively superior. But in my mind, he's going to go full kobe with the "I play defense when I feel like it" style

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Only thing DeRozan is better than Kawhi on offense is at assisting. Every other thing goes Kawhi's way.

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Ehh ball handling, penetrating and finishing at the rim...

Kawhi fucked Spurs. not the other way round

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Originally Posted by coachmac87

Ehh ball handling, penetrating and finishing at the rim...

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Nah. Kawhi is 10 times stronger than DD and a better finisher.

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Originally Posted by JakeCuenca

Kawhi is a 50/45/92 Stud. A better Iso scorer, a better spacer etc.

Spurmsfans have really fallen :lmao

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Spurmfans?? Wipe your mouth your Kawhi cum bucket is getting full

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Ehh ball handling, penetrating and finishing at the rim...

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Derozan is better than kawhi in ball handling and creating for his teammates

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Nah. Kawhi is 10 times stronger than DD and a better finisher.

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Nope..they’re the same

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Originally Posted by skin27

Nope..they’re the same

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Then why does Kawhi shoot 50% from the field and DD 44%?

What good is being a better spacer if you aren't going to pass?

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Then why does Kawhi shoot 50% from the field and DD 44%?

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kawhi fg percentage dropped when he start chucking..

maybe be kawhi is more efficient but demar can do more on offense than kawhi does..

kawhi is like kobe In offense with a better fg percentage..

would rather have kawhi on offense.

kawhi was still expanding/learning his game... let’s not act like he had the keys to spurs offense for a large amount of time while in sa.

and he had to deal with playing with tony dribble dribble parker.

KY is a ducking Pussy he is not on the team fuck this piece of shit.

Derozz is is balling I am happy for him and my Spurs.

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If we include defense kawhi is better no doubt about that..but if we’re talking about offense demar can do more than kaawhi does..

demar is is a little bit all around player offensively than kawhi

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nah

They are different players. Kawhi is better defensively, similar in offense (kawhi maybe slightly better),, DD better passer, smarter, and better leader

considering we were held hostage, I am happy with DD. People act like we had way more control over the situation.

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Originally Posted by JakeCuenca

Kawhi is a 50/45/92 Stud. A better Iso scorer, a better spacer etc.

Spurmsfans have really fallen :lmao

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they're pitiful. Just accept the fact that he moved on. Now they're saying silly shit to make themselves feel better. Soon we'll hear, "Mills is a better defender than Kawhi.."

At face value the offense between the two is a wash. But when it matters Kawhi is better at imposing his will. On defense it's Kawhi and it's not even close. Especially since Kawhi has a physical edge because he's a genetic freak. With his stature, build, and huge hands; he's a matchup nightmare for anyone on either side of the court.

That being said it is what it is. Spurs fans need to quit living in denial, and try to find a way to think we broke even on the deal. Be happy we got one more Championship before the fallout. Time to move on and build for the future. Hopefully the Spurs can find some pieces to put a contender together again.

I don't think the Spurs were shopping Kawhi around and took DD as a trade. Kawhi was leaving, wasn't going to play for SA, didn't play last season. Zero offense or defense from people who don't play can easily be beaten by the likes of DD.