Spurs Draft Discussion: 2019 NBA Draft

I am starting to think this draft is going to be very weak but I agree I see a lot of guys moving in and out of first and second round.

Great article on Matisse Thybulle's defense:
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/0...ulle-thybulle/

The case for Matisse Thybulle being a fit for the Spurs is pretty compelling:

1. Great defender, arguably the best in college basketball.
2. Potentially better than average/good 3 point shooter.
3. Historically, the kind of player whose impact can often be far beyond his salary expectations: like Bruce Bowen, Danny Green, Shane Battier, Tony Allen, Andrei Kirilenko, etc... i.e., a future bargain.
4. "Over himself," would be fine playing D and scoring 10 ppg.

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Originally Posted by R. DeMurre

Great article on Matisse Thybulle's defense:
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/0...ulle-thybulle/

The case for Matisse Thybulle being a fit for the Spurs is pretty compelling:

1. Great defender, arguably the best in college basketball.
2. Potentially better than average/good 3 point shooter.
3. Historically, the kind of player whose impact can often be far beyond his salary expectations: like Bruce Bowen, Danny Green, Shane Battier, Tony Allen, Andrei Kirilenko, etc... i.e., a future bargain.
4. "Over himself," would be fine playing D and scoring 10 ppg.

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That author says Zion would start over Chris Webber on the Fab Five. That's some crazy shit.

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Originally Posted by R. DeMurre

Great article on Matisse Thybulle's defense:
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/02/0...ulle-thybulle/

The case for Matisse Thybulle being a fit for the Spurs is pretty compelling:

1. Great defender, arguably the best in college basketball.
2. Potentially better than average/good 3 point shooter.
3. Historically, the kind of player whose impact can often be far beyond his salary expectations: like Bruce Bowen, Danny Green, Shane Battier, Tony Allen, Andrei Kirilenko, etc... i.e., a future bargain.
4. "Over himself," would be fine playing D and scoring 10 ppg.

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It's not arguable. He's not only the best in college basketball, he's the best in 30-40 years. Averaging 3 steals and 2 blocks per game is inhuman. There is a 'club' in the NBA: guys who average a steal and a block and shoot 40% from 3. It's not a huge club. He's shot 40% for a season already, his sophomore year. He could be in this club any year he shot 40% beyond the arc. The article said that if he does become a consistent 3 point threat to the tune of 40%, he could have an overall HOF level impact on the team, and never get paid accordingly, because he wouldn't be a scorer.

I put an arbitrary minimum of 100 3PA to make sure that the guys are regular shooters, and played a reasonable amount of games. Here's the club:

Danny Green
Kevin Durant
Danny Granger, twice
Donyell Marshall
Paul Pierce, twice
Vince Carter, twice
Cliff Robinson
Larry Bird

Is Matisse 6'5" or 6'7"?

He is 6’5 but is supposed to have length so it will be interesting to see what his combine measurements will be. He is a great defender but with Murray and White I don’t know if we need another defender vs a true SF would not be upset if we drafted him though.

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Is Matisse 6'5" or 6'7"?

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I've actually heard 6'6", but I don't remember where.

Draft Net has him at 6’6 every where else I have seen him at 6’5.

Please no more 6’5 guards or rim rolling centers

Thybulle is 6'5", and has a wingspan somewhere around 7'. In the combine, Kawhi measured 6'6" in socks and had a wingspan of 7'3". I know, I know... they list him at 6'7" and a whole bunch of people insist he's really 6'8". But in the combine he measured 6'6" in socks. Thybulle is strong, too. Unlike most college players, he's got an NBA-ready body. He'll still have an adjustment, because everyone in the NBA has an NBA body.

But... Thybulle's 3P shot is broken. It's more than just the fact that his 3P% has declined seriously each of the last two years. What I was told is that they started paying more attention to him out at the 3P line, and he started missing more shots. (Understandable.) So he went into the gym on his own to work on it, and reinforced some bad habits. He's still making about a third of his 3's, because he's a natural athlete. I would put a lot of that on the Washington coaching staff. But you still have to look at him as a guy whose shot has to be re-worked, for him to be the kind of threat people want him to be. He's shot 3's at a good pace against college level defense, and there's good reason to hope that he'll be able to do it in the NBA. But right now, he's like a whole lot of players in the draft who could be valuable... "IF". People will want to point to how he shot the 3 as a sophomore, but it's still a question mark for the NBA.

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Originally Posted by ZeusWillJudge

Thybulle is 6'5", and has a wingspan somewhere around 7'. In the combine, Kawhi measured 6'6" in socks and had a wingspan of 7'3". I know, I know... they list him at 6'7" and a whole bunch of people insist he's really 6'8". But in the combine he measured 6'6" in socks. Thybulle is strong, too. Unlike most college players, he's got an NBA-ready body. He'll still have an adjustment, because everyone in the NBA has an NBA body.

But... Thybulle's 3P shot is broken. It's more than just the fact that his 3P% has declined seriously each of the last two years. What I was told is that they started paying more attention to him out at the 3P line, and he started missing more shots. (Understandable.) So he went into the gym on his own to work on it, and reinforced some bad habits. He's still making about a third of his 3's, because he's a natural athlete. I would put a lot of that on the Washington coaching staff. But you still have to look at him as a guy whose shot has to be re-worked, for him to be the kind of threat people want him to be. He's shot 3's at a good pace against college level defense, and there's good reason to hope that he'll be able to do it in the NBA. But right now, he's like a whole lot of players in the draft who could be valuable... "IF". People will want to point to how he shot the 3 as a sophomore, but it's still a question mark for the NBA.

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that's why i don't see him as top 15 pick , imo he could be a late first. If we could get him with the Toronto pick that could be good.

Charlie Brown (St. Joseph's) - This is the guy I want for the Spurs

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Charlie Brown (St. Joseph's) - This is the guy I want for the Spurs

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Yeah, you probably would have drafted Alfrederick Hughes, too.

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Originally Posted by ZeusWillJudge

Thybulle is 6'5", and has a wingspan somewhere around 7'. In the combine, Kawhi measured 6'6" in socks and had a wingspan of 7'3". I know, I know... they list him at 6'7" and a whole bunch of people insist he's really 6'8". But in the combine he measured 6'6" in socks. Thybulle is strong, too. Unlike most college players, he's got an NBA-ready body. He'll still have an adjustment, because everyone in the NBA has an NBA body.

But... Thybulle's 3P shot is broken. It's more than just the fact that his 3P% has declined seriously each of the last two years. What I was told is that they started paying more attention to him out at the 3P line, and he started missing more shots. (Understandable.) So he went into the gym on his own to work on it, and reinforced some bad habits. He's still making about a third of his 3's, because he's a natural athlete. I would put a lot of that on the Washington coaching staff. But you still have to look at him as a guy whose shot has to be re-worked, for him to be the kind of threat people want him to be. He's shot 3's at a good pace against college level defense, and there's good reason to hope that he'll be able to do it in the NBA. But right now, he's like a whole lot of players in the draft who could be valuable... "IF". People will want to point to how he shot the 3 as a sophomore, but it's still a question mark for the NBA.

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Good to hear some NEGATIVES. That'll give Spurs a chance to pick him up and maybe fix his shot.

The highest I've seen him go in the mock drafts is at #30. Most of the time he's in the 2nd round.

Honestly, GMs are rarely going to draft seniors in the 1st round.

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Good to hear some NEGATIVES. That'll give Spurs a chance to pick him up and maybe fix his shot.

The highest I've seen him go in the mock drafts is at #30. Most of the time he's in the 2nd round.

Honestly, GMs are rarely going to draft seniors in the 1st round.

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The thing that hit be about that article is his complete opposite-ness to where the league is going, and how valuable that is. The analogy of Pedro Martinez being SUPER valuable because he was a dominant MLB pitcher in the HR era really resonated with me. If you can get a world class defender in the free shooting, no defense NBA era, he could be extremely valuable.

Bleacher Report: NBA Draft 2019: Latest Mock Draft with NCAA Tournament Coming Up
Jake RillMarch 15, 2019

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20. San Antonio Spurs: Grant Williams, PF, Tennessee

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29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors): Talen Horton-Tucker, SF, Iowa State

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San Antonio San Antonio

Jaxson Hayes

6-11

220

PF/C

Texas

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<a href='' title='Spurs receive Raptors 2019 first round pick (top 20 protected, or 2020 second rounder)' class='.mock_team_link'>*San Antonio</a> *San Antonio

Jalen McDaniels

6-10

195

PF

San Diego St.

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San Antonio San Antonio

Jaylen Hoard

6-8

220

SF/PF

Wake Forest

Fr.

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Just say no to hayes...

If Thybulle played for the Spurs, I think he'd be similar to Bruce Bowen as a three point threat-- not a high volume shooter by any means, but just enough of a threat to keep his own defender from wandering off to help on double teams.

Bowen was such an anomaly in so many ways as a player. He saw significant minutes for the first time in the NBA at age 26, the first time he averaged over 30 mpg he was already 29, and one year had a higher 3pt% than FT%. And when he played in Europe, he was a scorer... funny.

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If Thybulle played for the Spurs, I think he'd be similar to Bruce Bowen as a three point threat-- not a high volume shooter by any means, but just enough of a threat to keep his own defender from wandering off to help on double teams.

Bowen was such an anomaly in so many ways as a player. He saw significant minutes for the first time in the NBA at age 26, the first time he averaged over 30 mpg he was already 29, and one year had a higher 3pt% than FT%. And when he played in Europe, he was a scorer... funny.

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LOL. I remember one time a team tried Hack a Bruce, and he nailed like 5 out of 6.

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Originally Posted by ZeusWillJudge

Thybulle is 6'5", and has a wingspan somewhere around 7'. In the combine, Kawhi measured 6'6" in socks and had a wingspan of 7'3". I know, I know... they list him at 6'7" and a whole bunch of people insist he's really 6'8". But in the combine he measured 6'6" in socks. Thybulle is strong, too. Unlike most college players, he's got an NBA-ready body. He'll still have an adjustment, because everyone in the NBA has an NBA body.

But... Thybulle's 3P shot is broken. It's more than just the fact that his 3P% has declined seriously each of the last two years. What I was told is that they started paying more attention to him out at the 3P line, and he started missing more shots. (Understandable.) So he went into the gym on his own to work on it, and reinforced some bad habits. He's still making about a third of his 3's, because he's a natural athlete. I would put a lot of that on the Washington coaching staff. But you still have to look at him as a guy whose shot has to be re-worked, for him to be the kind of threat people want him to be. He's shot 3's at a good pace against college level defense, and there's good reason to hope that he'll be able to do it in the NBA. But right now, he's like a whole lot of players in the draft who could be valuable... "IF". People will want to point to how he shot the 3 as a sophomore, but it's still a question mark for the NBA.

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Yeah I wouldn't be upset if we use the Raptors pick on him even though I do view him as an early 2nd round talent bc of that. But I'll trust the team to make the right pick late, like we did with White.

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If we swapped out Jalen McDaniels for Daniel Gafford instead, I would be one very happy man with our first round picks.

Well the Spurs won't be getting a lottery pick like the thread title says. But tomorrow is Selection Sunday for the NCAA, and there are some players I'm really looking forward to seeing.

Matisse Thybulle's Washington Huskies face Oregon tonight for the Pac 12 title. It starts at 7:30 MT on ESPN.

Good article about Matisse Thybulle and they say his wingspan is 7'1. Nice to see how someone likes defense for a change.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...ll-angel-chaos