Spurs Draft Discussion: 2019 NBA Draft

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Originally Posted by blah28

Good article about Matisse Thybulle and they say his wingspan is 7'1. Nice to see how someone likes defense for a change.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...ll-angel-chaos

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Nice. It'd be a great story if the Spurs got him with the Toronto pick from the Kawhi trade, and he goes on to be an elite NBA defender.

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Originally Posted by 8FOR!3

Yeah I wouldn't be upset if we use the Raptors pick on him even though I do view him as an early 2nd round talent bc of that. But I'll trust the team to make the right pick late, like we did with White.

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The only way the Spurs can get a good player is if there's some lingering doubt about a player.

Murray - Too thin and can't shoot.
White - Played 3 years in Division 2 and one year in Division 1.
Walker IV - Injured in College

What's Thybulle's issue? 4 years in college? .31 3point shooting. Yeah.... looks like 2nd round pick.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

The only way the Spurs can get a good player is if there's some lingering doubt about a player.

Murray - Too thin and can't shoot.
White - Played 3 years in Division 2 and one year in Division 1.
Walker IV - Injured in College

What's Thybulle's issue? 4 years in college? .31 3point shooting. Yeah.... looks like 2nd round pick.

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I like Thybulle. I've been watching him for two years, thinking he would be good for the Spurs. This time last year, about the only discussions you'd read about him were wondering if he was undraftable. I never saw any talk about him possibly going in the first round until the last few weeks.

My biggest concern is that he's 6'5", and the Spurs are already loaded with players about that height. I did a search for active players, over the last 3 years, who are 6'5" and have a 3P% of .310 or less. The list is short - 39 players. And by far the best on the list is DeJounte Murray. Most are dogs who barely have any minutes in the NBA. Take the 3P% up to .330 and the list only grows to 45 players, and you see players like Jeremy Lamb, Jordan Clarkson, Kent Bazemore, and D'Angelo Russel. The point is that 6'5" players who aren't PG's and don't shoot the 3 very well are going to get passed over by a lot of teams in the draft. Thybulle is an exceptional defender, and the reason he's getting any first round consideration is because of people thinking Kawhi Leonard. But he's nowhere near the offensive player that Kawhi was in the season before the draft.

I'm a fan, but I have a hard time seeing him go higher than the Raptors' pick. And the only reason I see there being room for another 6'5" player on the Spurs' roster is because his reach and strength may let him defend some bigger players. If Chip can fix his 3P shot, and he gets up around .400, then he's a bargain. If not, anything above late first round is going to be called a mistake. I know that a lot of people seem to think that improving a 3P shot up to 40% is something anyone can do - especially with Chip coaching them. But it's just not that simple.

I understand concerns about his shooting, though Thybulle's three previous seasons of 3pt%s being 36.5, 40.5, & 36.6 give him an advantage over someone who has a career average of 31%. His college career average is still over 36%, even with this off year.

I'm interested to see his actual measurements. Some places list him at 6'6" now, which if true & coupled with a 7' wingspan would make him a reasonably sized SF. His teammate Jayden Nowell is listed at 6'4", and Thybulle looks to be more than an inch taller than him, but who knows if that listed height is accurate either... If anyone could benefit financially from a late growth spurt, it would definitely be Matisse.

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Originally Posted by ZeusWillJudge

I like Thybulle. I've been watching him for two years, thinking he would be good for the Spurs. This time last year, about the only discussions you'd read about him were wondering if he was undraftable. I never saw any talk about him possibly going in the first round until the last few weeks.

My biggest concern is that he's 6'5", and the Spurs are already loaded with players about that height. I did a search for active players, over the last 3 years, who are 6'5" and have a 3P% of .310 or less. The list is short - 39 players. And by far the best on the list is DeJounte Murray. Most are dogs who barely have any minutes in the NBA. Take the 3P% up to .330 and the list only grows to 45 players, and you see players like Jeremy Lamb, Jordan Clarkson, Kent Bazemore, and D'Angelo Russel. The point is that 6'5" players who aren't PG's and don't shoot the 3 very well are going to get passed over by a lot of teams in the draft. Thybulle is an exceptional defender, and the reason he's getting any first round consideration is because of people thinking Kawhi Leonard. But he's nowhere near the offensive player that Kawhi was in the season before the draft.

I'm a fan, but I have a hard time seeing him go higher than the Raptors' pick. And the only reason I see there being room for another 6'5" player on the Spurs' roster is because his reach and strength may let him defend some bigger players. If Chip can fix his 3P shot, and he gets up around .400, then he's a bargain. If not, anything above late first round is going to be called a mistake. I know that a lot of people seem to think that improving a 3P shot up to 40% is something anyone can do - especially with Chip coaching them. But it's just not that simple.

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I think the consensus on the Raptor's pick should be Thybulle.

We need arguing over who we should get with our 1st round pick. What say you oracles of ST?

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Originally Posted by R. DeMurre

I understand concerns about his shooting, though Thybulle's three previous seasons of 3pt%s being 36.5, 40.5, & 36.6 give him an advantage over someone who has a career average of 31%. His college career average is still over 36%, even with this off year.

I'm interested to see his actual measurements. Some places list him at 6'6" now, which if true & coupled with a 7' wingspan would make him a reasonably sized SF. His teammate Jayden Nowell is listed at 6'4", and Thybulle looks to be more than an inch taller than him, but who knows if that listed height is accurate either... If anyone could benefit financially from a late growth spurt, it would definitely be Matisse.

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Did you read what I said up above? I've followed him for two seasons. He's 6'5". Not 6'6". People can print whatever they want to. I saw one article that showed him at 6'7". But unless he was wearing high heels, they just made it up.

And his 3P shot is broken. It's not that he's in a slump, his shot is broken. He had a couple of games where some shots fell, but for most of the season he's shot below .300 from 3P. The concern is that an athlete with a bad 3P stroke can still make some shots when he's not heavily contested, but will break down when he is. There's a huge difference between the defenses in college vs. the NBA, and guys close much quicker on 3P shooters.

He's a great defender, and seems to be a good kid. I like him. But he's benefitted from a really good PR campaign recently. His coach has been talking him up everywhere, and so has his dad. But there's some rumblings that maybe there's already an agent involved. I didn't pay much attention until some of the recent articles that seemed a little over the top, even though the writers clearly hadn't followed him as a player. That kind of hype is coming from somewhere.

If he goes before the Raptors' pick, I think you tip your hat and say, "Good luck." The spurs have got two guards who are very good defenders already. If they were to get him with the 29 pick I'd be happy.

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Originally Posted by ZeusWillJudge

Did you read what I said up above? I've followed him for two seasons. He's 6'5". Not 6'6". People can print whatever they want to. I saw one article that showed him at 6'7". But unless he was wearing high heels, they just made it up.

And his 3P shot is broken. It's not that he's in a slump, his shot is broken. He had a couple of games where some shots fell, but for most of the season he's shot below .300 from 3P. The concern is that an athlete with a bad 3P stroke can still make some shots when he's not heavily contested, but will break down when he is. There's a huge difference between the defenses in college vs. the NBA, and guys close much quicker on 3P shooters.

He's a great defender, and seems to be a good kid. I like him. But he's benefitted from a really good PR campaign recently. His coach has been talking him up everywhere, and so has his dad. But there's some rumblings that maybe there's already an agent involved. I didn't pay much attention until some of the recent articles that seemed a little over the top, even though the writers clearly hadn't followed him as a player. That kind of hype is coming from somewhere.

If he goes before the Raptors' pick, I think you tip your hat and say, "Good luck." The spurs have got two guards who are very good defenders already. If they were to get him with the 29 pick I'd be happy.

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A serious project who stands only 6'5" sounds like the last thing I want the Spurs to invest a 1st round pick in, but I haven't seen him play.

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Originally Posted by ZeusWillJudge

Did you read what I said up above? I've followed him for two seasons. He's 6'5". Not 6'6". People can print whatever they want to. I saw one article that showed him at 6'7". But unless he was wearing high heels, they just made it up.

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:lol Sorry to question your omnipotence, O Great Greek God, but it's not unheard of for a mere mortal human being to grow an inch during his 21st year. Have you measured him recently?

Ok how about this mock

C Bruno Fernando
G/F Matisse Thybulle
G/F Dylan Windler

I also want PF Luka Samanic, maybe we can acquire another 2nd somehow.

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Originally Posted by ZeusWillJudge

Well the Spurs won't be getting a lottery pick like the thread title says. But tomorrow is Selection Sunday for the NCAA, and there are some players I'm really looking forward to seeing.

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Hopefully they don't play for the University of Texas.

Spurs will be picking 24 and 29.

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Originally Posted by rascal

Spurs will be picking 24 and 29.

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Still hoping the Spur stay 7th, get the 19th pick and play Denver. That would be great tbh.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Still hoping the Spur stay 7th, get the 19th pick and play Denver. That would be great tbh.

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The Spurs are more likely going to be 4th not 7th.

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Originally Posted by rascal

Spurs will be picking 24 and 29.

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That's just depressing as hell for me. I was really hoping for a lottery pick. Then I sort of adjusted to 17. Picking 24 is not what I had in mind.

I guess they got White and Murray with the 29th picks. If they can do it again it will help. But it's just not the same thing as a lottery player.

Watching Matisse Thybulle for the first time. If this game is representative of his offensive skills he’s going to have to have Rodman level impact on the other end to survive in the NBA.

Yeah so far not having a great game.

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Originally Posted by ZeusWillJudge

That's just depressing as hell for me. I was really hoping for a lottery pick. Then I sort of adjusted to 17. Picking 24 is not what I had in mind.

I guess they got White and Murray with the 29th picks. If they can do it again it will help. But it's just not the same thing as a lottery player.

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Don't count on getting an impact player this year if they are picking in the 20s. The draft is weak.

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Originally Posted by Biggems

Ok how about this mock

C Bruno Fernando
G/F Matisse Thybulle
G/F Dylan Windler

I also want PF Luka Samanic, maybe we can acquire another 2nd somehow.

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You new to the Spurs? We already have more youth than Pop is accustomed to. No way are they acquiring another pick this year. And your guy Thumbelina (along with his whole team) laid a huge egg tonight vs. Oregon. I admit this was the only performance of his I have seen all season, but I will be hugely disappointed if we waste a pick on him. We need more length than this guy offers.

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Watching Matisse Thybulle for the first time. If this game is representative of his offensive skills he’s going to have to have Rodman level impact on the other end to survive in the NBA.

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Liked Louis King and Kenny Wooten from Oreagon

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Originally Posted by sasaint

You new to the Spurs? We already have more youth than Pop is accustomed to. No way are they acquiring another pick this year. And your guy Thumbelina (along with his whole team) laid a huge egg tonight vs. Oregon. I admit this was the only performance of his I have seen all season, but I will be hugely disappointed if we waste a pick on him. We need more length than this guy offers.

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He isn't my guy...I added him to this mock cause several other posters like him. I want Fernando, Samanic (draft and stash big) and Windler.

Also, lifelong Spurs fan, born in mid70s, and been on this site for a decade or so.

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Originally Posted by rascal

The Spurs are more likely going to be 4th not 7th.

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According to 538;

1. GSW
2. Denver
3. Rockets
4. Thunder
5. Blazers
6. Jazz
7. Spurs
8. Clippers

Clippers-GSW
Spurs-Denver
Jazz-Rockets
Thunder-Blazers
(playoff matchups)

-Think Spurs are likely to finish ahead of the Clippers but behind the Warriors, Nuggets and Rockets.

-The Jazz has a laughably easy schedule (only 2 games remaining against playoff teams and one of those is against Denver on the second to last game of the season).

-OKC and Portland are catchable (especially if CJ is out multiple weeks). OKC has a tough schedule but only play 4 of their final 12 on the road (Toronto, Memphis, Minny and Milwaukee- a likely rest game for them). Portland has a fairly easy schedule, mostly against east teams.

Think the Spurs will go 48-32 and finish either just ahead of LAC or tie with them and finish 7th due to winning the tiebreaker.

NC’s Cameron Johnson might be a worthy late round pick. In a weak draft he has the potential to stick and play a role.

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Originally Posted by sasaint

You new to the Spurs? We already have more youth than Pop is accustomed to. No way are they acquiring another pick this year. And your guy Thumbelina (along with his whole team) laid a huge egg tonight vs. Oregon. I admit this was the only performance of his I have seen all season, but I will be hugely disappointed if we waste a pick on him. We need more length than this guy offers.

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I question whether you actually watched that game. The team shot 22% in the second half. The team. Calling him Thumbelina isn't cute, and it doesn't speak well of you.

Thybulle WILL be on an NBA roster next season, and he WILL make an impact with his defense. The only question is whether he's going to get picked in the first round. If he can straighten out his 3P shooting, he has the potential to be a backbone player on a championship contending team. He's that good at what he does on D.

The Spurs already have two guards about the same height (but without Thyebulle's reach) who are very good defenders. But don't forget that they once traded George Hill to get a player they wanted more. If they were to trade White or Murray for someone they really want, having Matisse Thybulle would be a real luxury. If their own pick stays down at around 24, I think there is a very good chance that he's on their board.

Things change. A player who doesn't look like a good choice at the 17 slot looks a whole lot different at 24.