I don't think White would "just realize" Murray makes more after signing the contract. If I was his agent, that would probably be the first thing that gets brought up.
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I don't think White would "just realize" Murray makes more after signing the contract. If I was his agent, that would probably be the first thing that gets brought up.
He could always play out his contract and get a bigger (same) pay then. Like what S-Jax did to get to Indiana. If White isn't getting the burn, and still stuck behind Forbes who we all know is going to be re-upped by Pop, then I can see him turning down the offer and start looking for greener pastures. Dallas would be a great fitQuote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
I didn't comment on his intelligence or lack thereof, I just said in a year the gap in their play could be significant enough that it'd be absurd that he'd be making less or even equal than/to Murray.
The gap in Murray's contract and this speculated offer is small enough that the different financial climate doesn't fly in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
The Spurs should worry about that and if they're not, White and his agent definitely should.
White is on a full burn first round rookie deal ,nothing like Jack’s contract. He can’t just walk until after year 5, two years from now. That’s a big risk, both injury wise, and economy wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobesAchilles
dang it's two years from now? Thought he could walk after next season. My bad :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
On a 5 year rookie deal, you can sign an extension after year three that kicks in after year four. If you don’t, you’re a restricted FA after year four. If you still can’t reach a deal, the team has a one year option for year five. It’s bad to get to that point. It’s considered a one year contract, so the player cannot be traded without their consent, and they’re unrestricted at the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobesAchilles
Every players know the market is lower now even Poeltl has said as much that it would be lower because of the Pandemic and China. Cap would not rise it is projected at 115 now but it would stay that way or lower the following years.
Wow, I've never seen so many people complaing about a team friendly deal. If White, loves playing here and is willing to take paycut, y'all should be happy.
The cap was projected to be 115 million. Dropped to 114 after Morey tweet and China got pissed. Then here comes Covid. They played under a cap of 109 million this year. The best hope they have is if the cap stays the same at 109 million or slightly drops. But, with all the revenue streams that were road blocked this year, that cap isn't rising anytime soon. Getting White on an extension that's slightly more money than Mills per year, I'd take that all day long.
This doesn't make sense. If you take Deeks projections for the future cap years a good estimate of what a non-COVID cap would've been, you have Murray averaging just under 1/8 of the cap over his first three years (Deeks didn't project into the final year of DJM's deal). With the news now that the cap is expected to be flat for the next two seasons and then depressed the season after that, we can project what Murray's contract would have to have been in non-COVID dollars in order to have the impact that his real contract will have. Murray's contract is now projected to take up an average of 14 percent of the cap, or a $73M/4. This projected opening offer for White will have the same impact as a $68M/4 deal would've when Murray signed his deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
So yeah, this offer to White is comparatively better than the one they gave Murray. The Spurs cannot have as much confidence in their future financial situation as they had last year. We may still be heading toward a lockout if the owners and players can't agree to a deal. Murray's contract looks much worse now than it did then because of how less likely it is that the Spurs can retain future flexibility with that deal on the books. The Spurs should think twice before committing a bigger contract to White, even though the dude is obviously worth more than DJM right now. They can't afford to spend like the league isn't in a crisis right now. Derrick has a very real value that can be exceeded by a bad deal, and while the Spurs could come up a decent amount from this and still have a good contract, they can't go into this worrying about DJM's and White's status or feelings.
Weird that you think that Dejounte would pout when he advocated for playing with White more this whole season...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Truth #6
White will sign that contract and Spurs will take care of him in the long run. He's a lifer.
If Dejounte is no longer the point guard, then yes I think he would see that as a demotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopbox
White has clearly supplanted him and possibly Keldon by mid-season. Him and Lonnie are the ones competing for minutes this year, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Truth #6
If we are truly moving on from LMA, and going back to The Beautiful Game, then there really isn’t a PG.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Truth #6
That would be great. But there’s no guarantee in either of those first two suppositions. But if they are trying to get back to that style of play, I don’t know if our current players are anywhere near what we had back in 2014 to make it work.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Again, my point is that Murray sees himself as a point guard, and if he doesn’t have the ball in his hands so that he can tell himself that he’s a point guard, then I wonder how he will react to a change in role. Let’s hope it is not a problem, obviously. And I would love for the beautiful game to return, for it to work, for there not to be any player dissatisfaction.
I think it would. We actually have a higher volume of penetraters now, with DJ, White, Lonnie, and Keldon. Back in the day, it was really only TP, Manu, and Boris. Patty and LDN were stationary objects.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Truth #6
Why do you think White has clearly supplanted him? Obviously, White is a better point guard but White is the one who got second team minutes much of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursDynasty85
Fair point. For it to work, everyone needs to be a willing passer, not necessarily a brilliant passer.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
The BG years totally had a lead PG. They didn't have someone set everyone up CP3 style, but Parker did leverage the offense for the most part. The Spurs aren't near that. They don't have any good penetators except maybe DMDR. White and Johnson do well on secondary penetration, but they need someone to cause the defense to move to give them leverage. That's why Kira Lewis is so intriguing. The BG Spurs also relied on a solid foundation of post-ups -- with the post duck-in being the first option in the motion-weak set the team used at the time. Getting rid of LMA and starting Poeltl would hurt that. If they drafted someone like Toppin and giving him the task to bullying his man to get good position in the paint and then finding the open man if he's doubled, then that would make sense. The BG was also backed up with a great defense with one of the best defenders in NBA history, one of the best wing defenders in NBA history, some guy named Kawhi, Splitter and numerous other players who were at least average on that end during the team's heyday. If you're trying to replicate that with DMDR playing PF, it's going to be really hard.
If I were going to fix the offense, I'd draft Toppin, trade Murray for Lewis, have LMA stay outside most of the time and run Lewis, White, DeRozan, Toppin, Aldridge as the first unit and Mills, Walker, Johnson, Gay and Poeltl as the second unit. That's not a perfect rotation, but it has a lot of offensive dynamism and room to grow as the vets age out. Plus as is it preserves a max slot for 2021. Why would they need that? No idea. But it could come in handy.
Is the source even legit?
I really like Lewis I would do that trade in a heart beat I think he could have a big impact on any team that lands him.
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Originally Posted by The Truth #6
The bubble play sealed it. White was the leader of the young squad which includes Murray. It would be stupid of the coaches at this point to consider White lower in the rotation than Murray. I will say there is a small sliver he wins it back if he improves drastically because he may not have been fully "feeling right" comjng back from surgery. I am hoping that was the case.
I don't understand why people are so quick to want to get rid of Murray, especially for players who we have seen play exactly 0 seconds of nba basketball, while at the same time carving out some role on this team for LMA, and we played our most consistent basketball when he wasn't on the team...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Um... The Spurs didn't play their best basketball without LMA. With him, they made the playoffs four years in a row. People act as if somehow eight games were the entire season. The reality is that DMDR at the four isn't sustainable. It's something the team should do as much as they can get away with it, but how much that is way less than full time. DeRozan can't hold up there, and it's too easy to exploit. Not playing Forbes really helped. It's also not like Murray played well in the bubble.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopbox
Four years isn't quick to give up on anyone. And trading a guy doesn't mean you hate him. STers have this block where they think you keep every good player and somehow can trade all the bad ones for value. Murray isn't horrible, and he should be able to return something good. But he absolutely doesn't fit with the team, and his demeanor is such that he shouldn't be expected to scale back to where he can fit better.
The team's upside isn't hoping that their guys play well. It's getting guys with higher ceilings that fit with their best players (present and future) and hoping they become more than the sum of their parts. To that end, the starting five I listed has way more realistic upside than one where Murray is shoehorned into the starting PG role. Rather than hoping Murray all of the sudden becomes a completely different player and that the team can somehow find the spacing to make Murray/DMDR work and the defense to make tiny-ball viable full time, you just have to hope that everyone can play to their strengths. It also doesn't help that Murray on his contract and White on a similar one is too much money to commit to a rotation that lacks a star and doesn't really play well together. Turning DJM and his contract into a new rookie-scale guard frees up long-term salary for attacking other positions, which is critical to the Spurs have a quick rebuild/reload.