Grades: Spurs vs. Hawks - Apr. 2, 2019

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Tonight's game versus the Hawks was almost exactly like Sunday's disappointing loss to the Kings. But, this time, the Spurs managed to complete the comeback and win the game. That said, the victory was no cause for celebration.

Like the Sacramento game, San Antonio found themselves down in the fourth quarter after blowing a third quarter lead. This time, the Spurs trailed 98-89 with 9:44 left in regulation. And like the Kings game, the Spurs quickly battled back -- in a little over four minutes, San Antonio gained the lead thanks to a 14-4 run.

Down the stretch, the Spurs hit enough shots to eventually escape by a final score of 117-111. Was this a step in the right direction? No, no it wasn't. The Hawks were down a handful of key players, gave big minutes to players at the end of their roster (including some dude they signed yesterday), didn't appear interested in actually trying to win the game ... and, yet, the Spurs almost found a way to lose. Not good.

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LaMarcus Aldridge
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In his previous three outings, LaMarcus Aldridge struggled to sustain any sort of consistent energy or effort. You can now make that four straight games. Offensively, he wasn't running the court well or being especially physical, which led to a majority of his shots being contested, low percentage jumpers. To his credit, he hit enough shots and limited his turnovers enough to be reasonably efficient, although obviously the quantity of his production was lacking. Defensively, Aldridge was engaged help-wise at the beginning of the game and at the end of the game but floated in no-man's land during the bulk of the contest. Individually, his defense was sub par.
Grade: C-
Summary: Aldridge's lackadaisical play continued.

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DeMar DeRozan
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Last game, I criticized DeMar DeRozan for failing to get to the line and for only grabbing two rebounds. Tonight, his aggression level was much, much better and that resulted in 16 free throw attempts (the second most he's totaled this season) and seven rebounds. He remained in attack mode for much of the evening, created plenty of shots for teammates and his scoring efficiency (29 points on 11 shots) was outstanding. Defensively, he was active both on the ball and off of the ball. Two minuses: he totaled a game-high five turnovers and ended up fouling out. But, honestly, I'm okay with errors due to hyperactivity, which was mostly the case tonight.
Grade: A-
Summary: DeRozan brought his hard hat.

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Rudy Gay
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Once again, Rudy Gay was in the starting lineup but was also tasked with the responsibility to be a key cog in the bench attack. And again, it didn't work. The bench was bad and Gay was a leading reason; he just couldn't get anything going and scored just one field goal while playing with the bench. Unlike last game, Gay wasn't doing much with the starters, either. Gay's rebounding has been fantastic lately and it continued against the Hawks. He is also passing better than he ever has in his career. But in this role where he is the offensive focal point of the bench unit, if Gay isn't scoring, he's letting the team down.
Grade: D+
Summary: Gay didn't fulfill his role.

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Derrick White
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Derrick White was pretty damn bad the last four games. Versus Atlanta, he was able to show some signs of life -- and that was by far the brightest spot in this otherwise unsightly win. In his last four outings, he averaged five points on 23.3% shooting from the field and was just 1-for-9 on three-pointers. Tonight, he looked extra focused and extra motivated to go against Trae Young and the results speak for themselves. He hurt the Hawks from three-point land, from midrange and was especially impressive going all the way to the rim. Defensively, he was marvelous, as he made life a nightmare for Young and his help was extremely effective -- even against much bigger opponents. White's playmaking was lacking and his mistake rate was higher than usual but the total package was definitely a step in the right direction.
Grade: A-
Summary: White was back to normal (or at least what we hope will become his normal level).

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Bryn Forbes
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Don't look now but Bryn Forbes is playing really good basketball. Over his last six games, he's now averaging 15.5 points on 59% shooting from the floor and 51.5% shooting on three-pointers. The recipe to his success has been a mixture of focus on energy. With a lot of halfhearted play swirling around him, Forbes has easily been the most locked-in player during that stretch of games. His three-point stroke looks even more picturesque than normal right now and his strength going to the rim seems to surprise opponents. I thought Forbes passed up a few shots against the Hawks and he overplayed a few possessions on defense but otherwise he was rock solid.
Grade: B+
Summary: Forbes appears to legitimately be carving out an NBA career.

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Marco Belinelli
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Marco Belinelli began the game by missing his first seven shots from the field. On top of that, his defense was a liability and his decision-making on both ends left a lot to be desired. But Belinelli was able to salvage his evening by making two three-pointers in the fourth quarter, including a heave from more than 30 feet away to give the Spurs a four-point lead with 3:39 left. On the other side of the hardwood, Belinelli's defense improved enough to help limit the Hawks to only 21 fourth quarter points.
Grade: C-
Summary: Belinelli shot poorly but at least his makes were timely.

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Patty Mills
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Patty Mills hit four three-pointers in a span of a little more than three minutes in the first half. Those points were helpful, for sure, but the rest of his minutes on the court were nearly empty. Mills didn't offer much playmaking or ball-handling and his tenacity on defense wasn't notable. The Australian played better than he did last game but the bench struggled and he deserves to shoulder a healthy portion of the blame.
Grade: C-
Summary: Mills couldn't get his unit on track.

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Davis Bertans
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Davis Bertans rushed his standstill jumpers and was too ready to dribble. The ball was sticking in his hands too much and broke the rhythm of the offense. While it's cool that he can put the ball on the floor, Bertans needs to remember he's in the NBA for his shooting. Defensively, he wasn't helping the cause: too weak in the paint, gave up too much space on the perimeter and his help was often a step slow.
Grade: D
Summary: Bertans didn't help in any facet.

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Jakob Poeltl
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Apparently, Jakob Poeltl has forgotten how to play off the bench. His screening, movement and awareness were all poor against the Hawks. On defense, his rim protection was late, his one-on-one defense wasn't good, he didn't do a good job on the boards and was basically playing like he had cement insoles.
Grade: D+
Summary: Poeltl didn't hold down the fort, to put it kindly.

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Lonnie Walker IV
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Lonnie Walker IV had a couple passes that exhibited positive situational awareness. And ... that was about it. He didn't look particularly explosive off the dribble and couldn't get to the rim. His defensive fundamentals are a work in progress, as he really doesn't have much of a clue of how to operate on that end. Walker hasn't played enough to get a real read on his development but one would hope to see a few more sparks of talent this late into his rookie campaign. Tonight, he was basically playing like a follically-blessed Dante Cunningham.
Grade: C
Summary: Needle status: Unmoved.

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Pop
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I guess Pop didn't believe his burning fingers and decided to touch the hot stove again by starting Gay, benching Poeltl and then using Gay as the bench focal point. It didn't work against the Kings and the same thing happened against the Hawks. Going away from a working formula (Poeltl starting, Gay off the bench) is difficult to forgive, especially versus an Atlanta team that was barely trying and couldn't create any exploitable mismatches even if they were trying. As it turned out, Pop needed his shooters to get hot in order to squeak out a win against a team that looked like they wanted to lose.
Grade: D
Summary: Hide this footage from the Hall of Fame.

Looking ahead: It's been an ugly stretch of games for the good guys. On Wednesday, they have a chance to get the mojo flowing in the right direction. Beat the Nuggets and all (or at least most) recent sins will be forgiven. Doing so would really help toward the goal of locking in a 2 vs. 7 matchup against Denver in the first round.

DD will'd the team to victory tonight and White responded to that leadership. Pop almost gave up tonight. His body language was just, eh. I mean, the Hawks were just launching and making bad shots.

I've noticed the Spurs passing on consecutive open shots and ending up rushing a bad option to the hoop on the buzzer way too often. Particularly in the last couple of games. I understand what they are trying to do by slowing the shot and not get caught back in transition, picking the right option etc. But it just looks bizarre and poorly executed right now. Almost as if the players are more concerned about passing the ball and not getting caught with an early shot than actually feeling and reading the game and getting into a groove. They look totally confused.

2 very concerning things:

1. Lack of effort. 80% of the game felt like a pickup game. Consistent effort and execution against bad teams was a staple for the Spurs throughout the years. Lack of this effort this season is why it's so frustrating.

2. Second straight game of poor bench play. We aren't winning a single game in the playoffs with our bench struggling like that. What happened to our most effective lineup all year long?!

Demar has to play every fucking game that way

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Originally Posted by r0drig0lac

Demar has to play every fucking game that way

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You mean fouling out right before the crunch-time? Agreed.

Maybe the Spurs know they are a failure, they will get destroyed in first round, so why bust their asses when there's nothing to shoot for except going fishing

Thank god DDR fouled out.

Also, as almost always, when he shoots less than 15 shots the team wins.

Am I the only one who thinks losing tonight is the better way to get that 2-7 matchup with the Nuggets? If we win tonight Denver has only a 0.5 game lead over the Rockets left. And the remaining schedule for Denver(Spurs, home and away vs Portland, at Utha, Wolves) is more difficult than Houstons (at Clips, Knicks, Suns, at OKC).

I get that we need to avoid slipping to the 8 spot, but I have hope in us winning the final three games and secure #7 that way. Or at least enough to not get leapfrogged by OKC. They have a tough schedule remaining with Pistons (fighting to stay in the PO-Picture), at Minni, vs Houston and at Milwaukee.

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Originally Posted by pookenstein

Am I the only one who thinks losing tonight is the better way to get that 2-7 matchup with the Nuggets? If we win tonight Denver has only a 0.5 game lead over the Rockets left.

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I also thought about it. If we win, HOU will be favourite to grab #2 seed. If we lose, I don't think we can win three in a row closing the season, which means #8 seed.
OKC plays garbage-time scrubs Bucks in the last game (their #1 seed is already basically locked), but there are other interactions (HOU-OKC, etc) that make impossible to juggle for position. What if Houston lays a turd and loses tonight with the Clips?

To me, we need to win 4 games to make #7 and very possibly play Houston, or lose one and probably play GS.

Bertans has been on a massive cold streak since what, the ASG?

Thanks for the grades LJ.

I hate to admit it, but Bryn Forbes has been the most consistent player for the Spurs these past several games. I'm happy for him. He's gained more confidence, which is great for the Spurs, but what does that say about our stars?

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Originally Posted by MoSpur02

I hate to admit it, but Bryn Forbes has been the most consistent player for the Spurs these past several games. I'm happy for him. He's gained more confidence, which is great for the Spurs, but what does that say about our stars?

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It means that when Forbes is your most consistent player, your team is going to suck.

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Originally Posted by MoSpur02

Thanks for the grades LJ.

I hate to admit it, but Bryn Forbes has been the most consistent player for the Spurs these past several games. I'm happy for him. He's gained more confidence, which is great for the Spurs, but what does that say about our stars?

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Yes. Consistently bad on defense. When someone's going at him it's automatic 2 or 3 points for the opposition.
It's nice he shoots consistently and improved his drive to the basket but I see neither effort, nor skill on D which is a bad sign for a young role player. Kyle Korver tries harder on D.

Tough win against a tough opponent. I'll take it

Thanks for the grades OP

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Originally Posted by vavvi

Yes. Consistently bad on defense. When someone's going at him it's automatic 2 or 3 points for the opposition.
It's nice he shoots consistently and improved his drive to the basket but I see neither effort, nor skill on D which is a bad sign for a young role player. Kyle Korver tries harder on D.

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We've seen plenty of effort actually.
He tries to stay in front of the ball handler,he tries to beat the screen and he tries to contest shots.

The result most (if not all) of the time is that the ball handler goes by him,he gets stuck on the screen and he fouls the shooter for the and1.

But,again,the effort is there.He's just athletically challenged,too small,short hands.

(And Kyle Korver sucks on D as well but he's 6'7" not 6'2" like Forbes)

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Originally Posted by pookenstein

Am I the only one who thinks losing tonight is the better way to get that 2-7 matchup with the Nuggets? If we win tonight Denver has only a 0.5 game lead over the Rockets left. And the remaining schedule for Denver(Spurs, home and away vs Portland, at Utha, Wolves) is more difficult than Houstons (at Clips, Knicks, Suns, at OKC).

I get that we need to avoid slipping to the 8 spot, but I have hope in us winning the final three games and secure #7 that way. Or at least enough to not get leapfrogged by OKC. They have a tough schedule remaining with Pistons (fighting to stay in the PO-Picture), at Minni, vs Houston and at Milwaukee.

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No your not... I hinted that last night in the other forum only that I do not support losing it does something to you mentally however I like the 7 spot to match up with the nuggets, it is more likely for us to win that series and build momentum going forward, the nuggets are young, inexperienced except for I.T and Millsap, they are also not so quick in transition which is something the Spurs can't defend properly so yes we should win games but match up with the nuggets.

Lonnie made the good to great pass for the Patty 3 at least.. Glad he didn't try and go up and get blocked, wouldn't have been good for his confidence

Tonight, he was basically playing like a follically-blessed Dante Cunningham.

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Not sure what's up with LA past 2 of last three games.

Thanks for the grades.

There was one play last night where the Hawks got a turnover and were off to the races on a one man fast break. White took off after him, and it didn't look like he had a prayer of catching up. He had every excuse to just slow down and save his energy. But he put his head down that kept running - and he made his guy feel him behind and miss the layup. There's not a single other player on this team going all-in at that level. DeRozan played hard, and there were times in the fourth that he was looking gassed. But there were times when even he gave up on plays, or hung his head. If everyone was leaving it on the court like White it might not fix everything wrong with this squad, but it would make them better.

At some point, a coach is responsible for motivating his players. Pop has gotten a pass on that for far too long. Something is broken with this squad. Maybe Pop is still mourning, maybe he's disappointed in the players, maybe he's just tired. But when a team plays with this much apathy, you have to share some of the blame with the head coach. And you have to look at this year, and not the last 20.

Which playoff opponent will cause Pop to start Purtle?

That is the opponent I prefer.

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Originally Posted by r0drig0lac

Demar has to play every fucking game that way

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Fouling out before crunch time helped.

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Originally Posted by Spurs Homer

Which playoff opponent will cause Pop to start Purtle?

That is the opponent I prefer.

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Denver.
They play most minutes with a traditional C and PF and even go two C's for half a quarter at times with Jokic,Millsap and Plumlee.

Walker is a bust. He's not even that good in the G league. Should have drafted Huerter

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Originally Posted by GusT15

Denver.
They play most minutes with a traditional C and PF and even go two C's for half a quarter at times with Jokic,Millsap and Plumlee.

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Ok - rooting for a Denver/Spurs series.

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Originally Posted by offset formation

Not sure what's up with LA past 2 of last three games.

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He's got his mind of Portland. He misses Dame. Lol

The highlight of the game for me was the way Bryn fought through a tough screen to get open for the game clinching three that he hit.

Maybe I'm crazy for thinking this, but is it possible that LA's been passive due to Pop wanting to get the rest of the team prepared for the playoffs? He has barely even touched the ball over the final five minutes of the last four games and they've all gone down to the wire.

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Originally Posted by Fusternino

Bertans has been on a massive cold streak since what, the ASG?

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You wouldn't even know he was near the top of the league in 3pt % by the way he's shot them lately.

Or maybe he needs a dnp rest, he has only not played in one game all season, I can't recall the last time a major Spur played in this many games in a season, 77 out of 78. He can't now because we are in a dogfight for the 6th or 7th (avoid the 8th) seed.

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Originally Posted by Roscoe P. Coltrane

Walker is a bust. He's not even that good in the G league. Should have drafted Huerter

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LW IVs g-league stats are comparable, if not a bit better than Corey Joseph's first year stats, and LW IV started REALLY slow after his injury. Cory became a very important rotation piece on the 2014 championship squad, and LW IV projects higher than CJ did. It's WAY too soon to be writing off a near lottery pick who suffered and injury during training camp. Give him another SL, a full training camp, and a month or two next year to get his feet wet, much like White needed this year.

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Originally Posted by Roscoe P. Coltrane

Walker is a bust. He's not even that good in the G league. Should have drafted Huerter

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that's nonsense, walker would have probably looking good in Atlanta playing a lot like Huerter. He was good in G league, not forcing things too much and changing his game with the time.... the guy is young and we can't judge him with 3-4 minutes in an nba game. Once he will play 15-20 minutes minimum in 10 games for example we could talk about him.

I also think he should not have a grade yesterday.

:lol Declaring someone a bust when they're 20 years old and have played 80 total minutes of NBA basketball

He might be, but you can't conclude that at this point.

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Originally Posted by Spurs Homer

Which playoff opponent will cause Pop to start Purtle?

That is the opponent I prefer.

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Maybe i'm wrong but i feel like we should just start Poeltl regardless of matchups. Gay looks worse starting and Poeltl looks worse off the bench. You're essentially handicapping 2 of your x factor players.

When we were on that tear a few weeks ago, Poeltl started most of those games. Why go away from that. Just keep him in there and then make in game adjustments when needed.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

LW IVs g-league stats are comparable, if not a bit better than Corey Joseph's first year stats, and LW IV started REALLY slow after his injury. Cory became a very important rotation piece on the 2014 championship squad, and LW IV projects higher than CJ did. It's WAY too soon to be writing off a near lottery pick who suffered and injury during training camp. Give him another SL, a full training camp, and a month or two next year to get his feet wet, much like White needed this year.

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That injury slowed down his progress so much. Which was so unfortunate due to Murray and White both going down in the beginning as well. But thats how it goes. I expect Walker to be MUCH better by preseason next season.

timvp I'm feeling it brother....game by game....come over to the dark side of Spurstalk


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i think pop is just tinkering again. as to walker, i see the stiff legs sometimes and my guess is nerves. i think in time this will diminish and we will see what he can bring to the table. he really didn't get to handle the ball all that much. defensively, it looks as if he's thinking too much and not reacting enough.

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Originally Posted by TDomination

Maybe i'm wrong but i feel like we should just start Poeltl regardless of matchups. Gay looks worse starting and Poeltl looks worse off the bench. You're essentially handicapping 2 of your x factor players.

When we were on that tear a few weeks ago, Poeltl started most of those games. Why go away from that. Just keep him in there and then make in game adjustments when needed.

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Agreed -but -

it's Pop and it takes him 3 years to see what is obvious...

Forbes is so hard to figure out. Just as I think his defense is foot speed, he'll easily drive past an opponent for the hoop. Can't jump, no hops? Check out someof his rebounds; he's getting up pretty good from a standing start. Side to side foot movement?

What do you guys think?

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Originally Posted by $pursDynasty

Or maybe he needs a dnp rest, he has only not played in one game all season, I can't recall the last time a major Spur played in this many games in a season, 77 out of 78. He can't now because we are in a dogfight for the 6th or 7th (avoid the 8th) seed.

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It is said that the Apache would ride a horse to death and then drink its blood to continue the fight. While I don't want any throat cutting on the Spurs floor, maybe we need some Apache spirit on the team

I can see Lonnie Walker going bananas once he gets released or traded to the Hawks/Suns

Spurs only won cause Atlanta wanted to lose and forfeited

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Forbes is so hard to figure out. Just as I think his defense is foot speed, he'll easily drive past an opponent for the hoop. Can't jump, no hops? Check out someof his rebounds; he's getting up pretty good from a standing start. Side to side foot movement?

What do you guys think?

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he is what he is. A better cheaper version of fatty mills.

Thanks for the grades! Yes winning tonight will go a long way in avoiding GSW in the first round. Hopefully LMA is ready to play this game!

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Originally Posted by exstatic

LW IVs g-league stats are comparable, if not a bit better than Corey Joseph's first year stats, and LW IV started REALLY slow after his injury. Cory became a very important rotation piece on the 2014 championship squad, and LW IV projects higher than CJ did. It's WAY too soon to be writing off a near lottery pick who suffered and injury during training camp. Give him another SL, a full training camp, and a month or two next year to get his feet wet, much like White needed this year.

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My sentiments exactly LW3 has great potential his unfortunate injury has set him back tremendously, judge him after a full healthy season.

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Originally Posted by TDomination

Maybe i'm wrong but i feel like we should just start Poeltl regardless of matchups. Gay looks worse starting and Poeltl looks worse off the bench. You're essentially handicapping 2 of your x factor players.

When we were on that tear a few weeks ago, Poeltl started most of those games. Why go away from that. Just keep him in there and then make in game adjustments when needed.

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I agree poetl brings a high energy when he starts but Rudy can create his own shot a get me a bucket kind of guy so I guess that's why pop starts him sometimes, my worry is that we are entering the playoffs soon and the past few games he hasn't been himself lately you'll notice recently in game ending situations he's not on the floor, since that huge game winner some time ago he has fallen off, pop is also trying out new things as playoffs is approaching.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

timvp I'm feeling it brother....game by game....come over to the dark side of Spurstalk


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A few good wins and the sheep will start migrating the other direction. Timvp has been a shepherd of believe ever since I've known him. The dark side will never win over Ben Kenobi....I mean Timvp.

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Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones

A few good wins and the sheep will start migrating the other direction. Timvp has been a shepherd of believe ever since I've known him. The dark side will never win over Ben Kenobi....I mean Timvp.

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Ed, you're my guy. Plenty of space on the ol Death Star for you. Just need you to hit me with "Fuck Fatty Mills" chant....

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Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones

A few good wins and the sheep will start migrating the other direction. Timvp has been a shepherd of believe ever since I've known him. The dark side will never win over Ben Kenobi....I mean Timvp.

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Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones

A few good wins and the sheep will start migrating the other direction.

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Let's play Tanking Atlanta every day, Daddy Warbucks!

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Originally Posted by Mugen

Ed, you're my guy. Plenty of space on the ol Death Star for you. Just need you to hit me with "Fuck Fatty Mills" chant....

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:lol

Crap...now you might on to something there. You dark siders know how to find our weaknesess, don't you?!!

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Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones

A few good wins and the sheep will start migrating the other direction.

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I'm sorry, Ed. I really am. But this has to get revisited after this Denver train wreck. Those few good wins you were talking about? You meant next year, right?