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13. The heady game of Bryn Forbes
Forbes shouldn't start next season with the return of Dejounte Murray, but he has proven himself a canny hybrid guard -- more than a shooter. (He is that, though: 42 percent from deep on five attempts per game.)
Forbes is decisive blowing by defenders rushing to close out on him, and has a knack for tricky interior passes:
I absolutely detested Forbes last season, but he's grown into a useful player..as a mid-bench guy playing 15 MPG or so, he could be a nice piece to have on a team as a bench spark, he's better than Mills, for instance..
The role he plays for the Spurs is just irresponsible, though..28 MPG and a starting role(I understand that it's due to circumstances) for a player with his limitations is ludicrous..
I think it was necessitated by the injury to DJ and the fact that the starting lineup has no steady 3 point shooters. When he returns to the bench next year he could be a minor asset.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
As long as he isn't on the floor at the same time as DDR, against starting lineups, he could be a net positive IMO.
But when you look at the entire NBA, and come up with a short list of things you need to talk about - and one of them is Bryn Forbes?
Off the bench shooter is his role or if you got some like MJ or Kobe as your 2 guard ....
Next year, I could see Spurs doing a 3 guard line up with a combo of White/Walker/DJ/DDR. Not sure how Marco/Mills/Forbes will fit in eventually. It'll be a mins problem for sure.
If we didn't have Mills, i think we would have liked forbes more. But with Mills, its like they are exactly the same. Both weak on D, streaky on O.
But Forbes is cheaper.
Trade Mills, keep Forbes to 20 minutes per game off the bench, that could work well.
this. and financially he's a bargain too. he's set to make just 3 mil next yearQuote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
with dejounte healthy and lonnie hopefully earning a regular role, they wont have to lean in forbes nearly as much
:lol These dummies thinking Pop is going to cut Bryn's minutes next year
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Originally Posted by Mugen
I mean, surely DJ takes some of his minutes.
Not to mention LW IV. Our guard rotation will look much different next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by BSfromTX
Forbes > Mills
I say keep everyone in tact just add a good scoring free agent like vucevic, there is cap space available as kawhi left Mills, Forbes, Marco, bertans, are all great shooters and every team the way the league is presently needs shooters.
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Originally Posted by TDomination
DDR too
Forbes is a very useful cheap bench player that Pop was forced by the circumstances, injuries, nephew(and his mistake to pay Mills that money thus not having enough money for a better option). We need to see more from Forbes next season especially defensively and a little more consistency offensively if we are to keep him going forward.
kiss of death tbh
Yep I agree! Also think we should do a fundraiser for that young lady in your sig, so she can afford a proper t-shirt...........on second thought, that is a horrible idea! :smokinQuote:
Originally Posted by BillMc
where do dejounte's minutes come from? lonnies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Looks like Sparty has needed some confidence to get him going offensively, and it has shown, lately. Now... it hasn't fixed his defense, but hopefully for this summer, he will work hard on that to improve on his defensive skills, as well other aspects of his game, & yeah, in the end, it will pay off for him as well as for the Spurs. If he's retained, let's see what his upside can come to... perhaps a notch or two, but at the end of the day, he's really an off the bench role player that can be used to give some instant scoring if he's on he money.
Doesnt matter we still have mills
How do you see his role next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
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Originally Posted by spurs10
Forbes has dug a place out for himself in this league. It's fucking amazing. Kudos to him and the coaching staff.
Yep. Much different.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Tell me that "different" in this case means better (crossed fingers emoji)
Probably DWhite, Derozan, and whomever else on the team that doesn't have a girl's name.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
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Originally Posted by YGWHI
Gary Neal v2.0. Someone will throw some money at him and off he goes. Bounces around the league for 4-5 years. Goes to China and averages 24 points a game. Maybe he comes back eventually like Jimmer.
should get some votes for MIP
I think Forbes is a better ball handler than Neal, but yeah, I can see a similar career like Neal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dverde
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Time to move on from Marco and Patty next year and do your best to get a defensive minded SF.
The post above is so damn true.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDomination
I know the odds of what I'm about to say happening is slim to none but if we would/could trade Mills that would help the guard log jam. I seriously doubt the team would trade Patty because he is one of if not the only leader of the team and definitely the heartbeat.
Patty is a better defender (which really isn't too hard) and ball handler over Forbes but Bryn is way cheaper and just as good if not better shooter
Better attitude, better teammate. Got to give him tons of credit for working hard to make himself a niche in the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjktkk
Lonnie won't be in the rotation next year, rotation spots will already be completed with Murray's presence.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Two words: Sell High
This pretty much, we should expect him to improve over summer like he in the past. Also, due to circumstances Bryn has played over 2200 minutes this season. I think he is much better at 1500 to 1700 minutes, where he can still provide offence without being that much of a defensive liability.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreekSpursfan
Honestly nselling high would be showcasing him in the proper role next year and getting a young forward prospect and a late first rounder at the trade deadline. That waybwe have his cheap contract most of next year, you always go into the trade talks selling Mills and when the other team doesn't like offer Forbes instead as younger and cheaper along with better able to run as a starting pg for coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGD
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by alpha_HaZE
Not so sureQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Granted not the greatest competition, but another really good game.
Who is Pop putting in the doghouse of Patty, Belli, Forbes, White and Murray?Quote:
Originally Posted by weeks
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
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Originally Posted by DAF86
IMO - you are sorely mistaken if you don’t see that SA is high on Lonnie and that they will find him minutes. Patty, Beli and Forbes could all lose minutes and we may see a trade of one of them for this exact reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
I'm sure they're high on Lonnie, but Pop isn't one to quickly remove veterans out of rotation spots in favour of sophomores.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Lonnie will surely get more minutes than this season. I still don't see Pop giving him a permanent rotation spot.
White, Forbes, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge, Murray, Mills, Bellinelli, Bertans, Poeltl. That's your 10 men rotation for next year.
Lonnie will be the 11th man, getting a lot more burn than this year but still not making it as a regular feature, and Pop will be happy with leaving him in that role to buy time for Beli and Forbes' contracts to expire, so that Lonnie's rotation spot comes at the expense of no one's feelings getting hurt.
That's your opinion. I think Spurs will be bright enough to realize standing pat in regards to the rotation is a pretty dumb decision. I would think they would want to find ways to improve next season, or maybe I'm crazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
I think they also know what kind of special talents Dejounte and Lonnie are. If they can let Tony walk, be fine with trading Danny, when they know Manu is likely retiring because they are high on Dejounte and White, then Spurs will prioritize integrating Dejounte and Lonnie in the meat of the rotation at the expense of two of the Belinelli, Forbes, and Mills cluster.
I think Belinelli or Forbes gets traded this summer. Probably the former.
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
What never gets acknowledged by those who disparage Forbes is his quick release.
That may not mean much to fans, but I believe it matters a lot to PATFO (and other NBA personnel types).
That's why Steph Curry is who he is and Lonnie Walker, in spite of superior athleticism, is not.
So the Spurs have a log jam at the guard position, a good thing, an embarrassment of riches.
Normally, Mills might be the one to go but Spurs fans correctly point out that his leadership is needed.
Can Walker slide to the 3 spot? If so, that might be the answer. (Let's face it, he does look a little taller with that hair style.) How about Murray?
The Spurs' answer to the eternal wingman search might be right under their noses.
But, no matter what, I don't see Forbes going anywhere -- he's too good.
And what makes you think that: Them standing pat this season or Mills and Pau's retarded contract extensions?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
But if that doesn't happen, I'm sure you will be here trying to justify somehow PATFO's decision of standing pat.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Assisted Living Pop don’t got the balls to trade Patty or Forbes. He is going to bask in making these scrubs millionaires with strong core values. Forbes will be gone in another year when another team overspends on him. Patty is a lifer. I finally came to terms with this fact recently.
In the current NBA, Forbes is very tradable, if they choose to go that route. Patty likely won't have value, other than as a ending contract, whenever that happens. Doesn't matter. Pop traded Danny and turfed Parker when he wouldn't agree to an 'emeritus' role. He's shown, at least for guards, that he will make way for the 'new'. It was supposed to be DJ and White this year, but wound up being Bryn and White, both of whom have done very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dverde
Pelton most improved, WARP compared to last year, but downgrading those with better previous years (in other words Conley and Rose types).
9.4 De'Aron Fox
6.3 Thomas Bryant
6.2 Nikola Vucevic
5.5 Jusuf Nurkic
4.5 Domantis Sabonis
4.5 D'Angelo Russell
4.3 Jake Layman
3.8 Pascal Siakam
3.7 Bryn Forbes
Forbes is everything Roger Mason wasn't.
I could see Pop sending Forbes home to Detroit. Attach him to a 1st Rder to move up and get Detroit's 1st.
but i thought forbes was just another example of the ineptitude of the spurs front office.
Nope.Forbes is extremely cheap and he has been developed.He's useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjv
The ineptitude of PATFO is that he has to start and play 30 mpg.Not that he's on the team.
he wouldn't be starting or playing 30 mpg if not for the injury of murray (and the delayed development of walker-also due to injury).Quote:
Originally Posted by GusT15
Well Murray got hurt in the preseason and Walker was a longshot to get meaningful minutes as a rookie despite his injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjv
They had an entire season to make a replacement signing and patch the hole at SG.Forbes would be a microwave off bench at 15mpg and the team would be better.
That's why they are the Front Office.To deal with problems as they come up,not stay put when injuries happen and the team is malfunctioning cause of them.
So, PATFO is inept because DJ, LW IV, and White all were injured in training camp?Quote:
Originally Posted by GusT15
You can't come to this team and play without a trainig camp under your belt. They also had a full roster of 15, until they waived Gasol. Even though injured, DJ counted as a roster spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by GusT15
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Originally Posted by exstatic
I didn't construct the roster without depth at SG and SF.PATFO did.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Injuries happen,they are part of the game.So when players get injured we just give up and blame our luck? No reaction whatsoever?
And since no player can get starting minutes while joining after camp then why even try? "This dude got hurt and that dude got hurt.Let's tank" Or underperform and fight for 6-8 instead of 3-5?
I expect more things from PATFO,if not in midseason trades then at least in preseason roster construction.
I'm almost 100% certain that PATFO didn't stand with their hands behind their back, i think they made their research and we all know that they never make a deal to get someone to come here and that deal isn't in their favour(nephew was the only exception and we all know why).Quote:
Originally Posted by GusT15
So far i see only two mistakes from them, Gasol and Mills and Mills as a pg of the bench isn't that big of a mistake but injuries happen and change your plans. It is clear that they kept Mills because he would never challenge Murray to be the starter and he was already content coming of the bench unlike some other options that they probably asked around before signing Mills so in light of that Mills isn't a bad move if your goal is to develop and increase the confidence of a certain young player you have.
You don't make trades just to make trades.
Forbes is a lot like Bonner. Quite useful in low to medium minutes as the 8th man, but overmatched against starters.
You have a very strange view of an organization that runs like a clock, and rarely gets out of it's lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by GusT15
It wasn't just an injury, or injuries. Our last three first rounders got wiped out in mere days. I think you're really minimizing that, and I challenge you to find an organization that could react as well as ours, turning a pumpkin into a legit NBA rotation player.
PATFO is inept because there transitioning from the loss of three HOF players, have had two draft pick below the twenties and zero picks below 15 in forever and still made the playoffs. Have a record for consecutive years making the playoffs. There are 29 other teams that wish there PATFO were that incompetent.Quote:
Originally Posted by GusT15
An organization that runs like a clock does not mean that it is immune to executive and managerial mistakes and bad calls.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Yes,the start of the season was brutal,one ACL,one MCL and one Plantar Fascia flare up are all terrible events to start the season.
Another terrible event to start the season is constructing a roster without a Small Forward.Gay,Bertans and Cunningham are small ball 4's.You know it and i know it.It was a gamble and a risky move that hurts the roster through out the season.Moving DDR who was an SG his whole career to SF cause a hole is there,was not the proper way to deal with the wing situation.
Forbes has done his best and actually overachieved this year.That doesn't mean that we didn't know that he is an undersized SG.We also knew we had another undersized SG in Patty Mills,who takes up a large part of the cap.Having these two players in the basic rotation and keeping one or the other on the floor at all times hurts our defense massively.
Just cause the Spurs are the model organization and gold standard of the NBA,doesn't mean that we,as fans,can't point out things and decisions that left the team vulnerable.
This Spurs team has 2 All Stars,good role players and the GOAT coach (or top3 at least).Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
If it was in doubt for you that we'd make the playoffs,it was never in doubt for me.
If you're satisfied with just making the playoffs 6-8 seeded,i'm not.
The roster needed tweaking,needed better planning depth wise and those things didn't happen.
PATFO has made mistakes IRRELEVANT to Timmy and Manu retiring,irrelevant to Nephew leaving,irrelevant to how high or low our draft picks were.
There are dudes on this forum that will curse and complain about PATFO all day long.
There are other dudes that will make excuses for PATFO all day long.
The truth is always somewhere in between.It's not black and white,there are gray areas.
Anyways,i've said all i've had to say,conversing with people that find nothing wrong with PATFO is as exhausting as conversing with people that can find nothing good with PATFO.
At some point the other dudes will barge in here and we will have another emoticon and "lol you suck" battle back and forth.
I'm out,peace.
I'm willing to call out PATFO from time to time, when there's a clear fault. I don't consider a rash of injuries to their up and coming young guard cadre and Kawhi basically butt fucking the organization to be their fault. Your mileage may vary.Quote:
Originally Posted by GusT15