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He was more equipped to beat denver than gayQuote:
Originally Posted by DavidTheGoliath
It’s just not fair that some people get blessed with great looks AND brains like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Could be worse. I could have said kl was an alpha, bryn forbes was worse than mills, marco, white, and pau was a good piece for sa... but here we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
If I'm the Spurs I try to find a way to get Tobias Harris or Julius Randle.
I really don’t see a path to either; especially Harris. He’s due big money and SA doesn’t have cap space. I dont know what PHI would want via a S&T either that SA has. I’m not sacrificing the youth for him but he would be a dream fit as a starting 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoSpur02
Julius is the same; I don’t see NO wanting to blow it up completely, he’s young and what trade assets would they want from SA? Maybe if they were willing to sell him for picks SA could do that, but I think Julius declines his option and would require money SA does not have at this point.
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Originally Posted by Dex
On Forbes vs. Mills
I’m excited for Forbes to return to a bench role. Remember he’s been going up against more starter lineups, but nonetheless had similar but better numbers than Patty this past year: https://www.basketball-reference.com...lspa02&y2=2019
On starting White
DDR and White should stagger minutes more, so I’d be fine with White coming off the bench and running the second unit. Also, I want to see units with White and Poeltl. There will be games where Poeltl starts, but generally he and Aldridge should stagger.
My ideal offseason would finding a way to move out Mills and Beli (isn’t that everyone’s dream?) and running things back. If it takes moving out one of the first rounders and you can get something back in the deal as opposed to dead expiring salary, then I’d consider it.
It’s going to be hard to find someone to take the MLE who is going to be effective. But they can’t botch it like this past year.
Harrison Barnes maybe? Probably costs to much, plus not the best fit but we desperately need a SF. Ariza is available but Id rather go younger
I know it would be very difficult to sign either one of them, but you at least talk to them and see if they have any serious interest in joining the team. If either one of them does then you move players like Bertans, Mills, and Belinelli for draft picks or players you can waive to come up with cap space to sign one of themQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Again I know it's near impossible, but I would at least gauge their interest.
I agree - was just speaking about it. But SA should have a lot on the table this off season. Will they be able to find a path? Who knows, but they should be exploring everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoSpur02
I really hope they dont trade White/Murray/Lonnie though for even a win-now player like this. Keep those 3, everyone else is on the block.
I wonder if ATL would be open to trading Baze for Beli/Mills and pick?
Spurs should see if josh Jackson could be had for cheap.
The same issue that has plagued sa since the loss of tim. Spurs need someone who can score in the paint and a physical big body on d.
The low iq stats guys the spurs look to now lma,ddr,gay are too dumb, inefficient, to lead a team to anything more than rd1 exits. What is most frustrating about this group is that if they had more drive and competitiveness, they would be a really nice group. They have all shown times that they can impact the game on both ends. They just do not have the desire to win by outworking their matchup each possession.
Out of those two I'd swing for Jackson. Bazemore is also a nice player to maybe look into.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Just figured due to age and where he was drafted, Jackson would be more difficult to obtain. Not only that, but JJ has been horrific on offense. I was and have been high on him and he has shown defensive chops, but Baze should be cheaper and is much better on offense right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoSpur02
i dont know what we can realistically do with derozan on the roster
I agree. Out of those two Jackson would be harder to obtain in my opinion. Bazemore is due $19 million next season. Not sure the Spurs wanna pay that much for Bazemore.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
They are paying 17M for Beli/Mills so I think they would gladly swap those two for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoSpur02
Del
https://www.greatfallstribune.com/st...ba/3502485002/Quote:
“I definitely still have a great relationship with them,” Huestis said. “They’re fans of my game. Depending on how all the other free-agency stuff goes with them and what their needs are, I can definitely seeing that relationship staying there. So who knows? We’ll see where this summer takes me.”
Just put a gun to your head, Ime, it'll be much quicker . . . :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
Says a lot that Udoka and Messina are being interviewed for head coaching jobs this summer while Becky is being ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
If Ime goes our defense will take a hit. He's actually the 1 guy on the coaching staff who I think is very important. Replacing Messina should be easy
Udoka says Forbes is a great defender. Not sure he's the defense expert, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford
I mean, he isn't gonna call him out and say he sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Yeah but to flat out lie and say the opposite of what everyone knows to be true? He never said Mills is a great defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
All depends on whether he was prompted about their defense. If he went out of his way to laud Forbes' defense then he's full of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
Hopefully Messina leaves first
FWIW, I think Pop said Gary Neal was not a guy who was there to defend and unprompted too. I think Timmy also made sarcastic remarks about Bonner's defense. I point this out because it's not like Pop or anyone on the team to completely lie about a player's defensive flaws. So, for Ime to say that about Forbes is pretty alarming, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Forbes ended the season playing very solid defense especially in game 7 were he was the only player with cojones. Ime is not far from the truth tbh because he is projecting rather than talking about the current version of Forbes imo. All Forbes has to do is become a little stronger in the off season and he will be fine defensively, of course its easier said than done.
Forbes is not going to be a happy camper next year as he will see a dramatic decline in minutes next season. With Murray back and Walker and White both coming back stronger he just won’t get the playing time he did this year. If we can use him in a trade to get us our SF then move him no questions asked.
Think Forbes has earned his role as a starter and will continue to be one on this team. Could easily see;Quote:
Originally Posted by BackHome
Murray, Forbes, DDR, LMA, Jakob
Mills, White, Bertans, Gay
Forbes could still play around 22 mpg- down only slightly from his 28 mpg last season, with White playing the other 26 mpg at SG, off the bench, as the 6th man.
Tobias is one of those annoying players who will get a MAX contract, but never earn it. Julius would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoSpur02
This is a good point about his projected unhappiness. The following year he is going to leave or be overpaid by us. If we are not trading Patty, I think Forbes should be traded. He may “flourish” more on a garbage team looking for a shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BackHome
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
Forbes was third in minutes on the team during both the regular season and the playoffs (behind only DDR and LMA). Forbes averaged double-figures in points during both regular season and playoffs.
In the playoffs, he hit .484% of his threes in the seven biggest games of the year.
Those who think Forbes is headed for a diminished role (or, even sillier, a trade) are just going to be disappointed.
Forbes was great for us honestly
Pattys replacement tbh
you got a point there. I was actually the one who posted that Udoka quote :rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Forbes will be the perfect bench spark.
People need to stop with the Forbes is a starter cause he is not his defense and help defensive was terrible most of the year. I am not a hater he proved he has game but he should be used as a spark and with the second unit and Yes Walker and Murray and White will take a huge amount of his playing time.
He's a massive net negative in the starting lineup and doesn't gel well with Aldridge. He can't play offball and he's not our solution at SF either because he's one of the worst defenders in the league for his position. His inability to shoot from deep kills our already bad spacing. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective or he goes through lapses of disinterest. The only logical solution is to give him the Manu role on the bench. He can iso at will against opposing benches and he won't be as much of a liability on defense against inferior opponents. The difficulty here is convincing him to take a bench role for the betterment of the team. Derozan's one of those idiots that grew up idolizing Kobe so I very much doubt he'd be okay with a 6th man role.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
I think you suck it up and start both (for their fragile pride) and yank DDR around the 8 minute mark, and then sub him back in when Aldridge sits. Ideally you’d stagger their minutes somewhat so one is always on the floor and avoid playing them both ... especially if spacing is bad with others. In the regular season, that’s easier to do given 32 minutes or so of court time. A little more overlap in postseason. When they’re playing together, you absolutely need a floor spacer. Bertans or Forbes are more likely than Poeltl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurgan
His defense got better but still struggles against bigger guys. To fill that gap at the three, the Spurs really need to make the MLE hit this year or turn the Patty/Beli contracts into something useful. Gay is also best used coming off the bench, and he and DDR simply can’t guard many threes.
So much depends on organic growth of Murray/White/Walker as to how the rest of the roster shakes out. If they develop well enough, hopefully it means the end of Patty/Beli. I’m fine keeping Forbes as he’s fine as a Mills replacement. Bertans will have value ... don’t let him being schemed off the court trick you too much. Worst possible matchup for him.
Curious to hear from our foreign fans on their thoughts on the possibility of bringing over C - Nikola or SF - Nemanja Dangubic?
Milutinov looks nothing like a modern 5 from the little I've seen of him. Not much better than Boban defensively on the perimeter.
:huddle::huddle::huddle:
As Cleveland Cavaliers expand coaching search, Gregg Popovich aide Ettore Messina set to interview this week
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2019/05/as-cleveland-cavaliers-expand-coaching-search-gregg-popovich-aide-ettore-messina-set-to-interview-this-week.html
I think Bonner had a thick enough skin and enough rapport with Tim to where those comments didn't bother him, and Neal just didn't give a fuck what anybody said. Forbes has a much thinner skin and needs to be propped up. Given Bryn's lack of elite athleticism, he can't afford to not give max effort on defense. Udoka was probably just pulling the best lever he could find.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
How the fuck are we going to get rid of patty mills!?
Knock knockQuote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
Who's there?
Nagah
Nagah who?
Nagah happen this summer.
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Originally Posted by exstatic
Just waiting for the jersey retirement tbh:(
simple, we ain'tQuote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
I've watched them both quite a bit, not so much this year for DangubicQuote:
Originally Posted by BackHome
Milutinov can play but the presence of Poeltl makes him limited in potential impact. If he's signed, I wouldn't be surprised to see him only play 30-40 games as third string center behind Poeltl and LMA.
Dangubic would be an end of the bench, 13th-15th man hustle player. No distinct difference between him and a Pondexter or other minimum guy. A little younger, more athletic for now, good defender for smaller players. Too weak to guard stronger SFs. No creator skills. Frequently injured. I would rate him below Thybulle for instance if the Spurs took Thybulle at 29. Probably below anyone else they took at 29 also.
Lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
I guess on TNT after midnight you can broadcast F bombs by coaches -- Coach Pop takes note.
I know there's no shot at signing either Tobias Harris or Brooke Lopez this offseason but damn I wish we could get one of these guys
Derozan was definitely fouled by Murray on that last play when Craig blocked him. BS
My wish is granted
The Warriors will not win the NBA title
anyone knows for how many years is possible to give with a MLE contract?
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Originally Posted by venitian navigator
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Mid-level exception
Once a year, teams can use a mid-level exception (MLE) to sign a player to a contract for a specified maximum amount. The amount of the MLE and its duration depend on the team's cap status. In the 2017 CBA, the MLE was initially set at $8.406 million in the 2017–18 season for teams that are over the cap either before or after the signing, but under the luxury tax apron, set at $6 million above the tax line. Teams can use this exception to offer contracts of up to four years. Teams above the apron have an MLE initially set at $5.192 million, allowing contracts of up to three years. Teams with cap room, which were ineligible for the MLE before the 2011 CBA, have an MLE initially set at $4.328 million that allows two-year contracts. In subsequent seasons, all MLE amounts will be determined by applying the percentage change of the salary cap to the previous exception amount.[23]
Before the 2011 CBA, the MLE was equal to the average NBA salary for all teams over the cap; teams with cap room were then ineligible for the MLE.[7] The Mid-Level Exception for the 2008–09 NBA season was $5.585 million.[15] The MLE was $5.854 million for the 2009–10 NBA regular season.[16]
Under the 2017 CBA, the apron was initially set at $6 million above the tax line for the 2017–18 season. In a new feature, the apron will change from season to season, with the percentage change (up or down) set at half of the rate of change of the cap for that season.[10]
Someone is going to overpay Tobias ($20+ M), and be unhappy about it. You have to wonder if he's really any good at all if he's on his FIFTH team already. He always seems to get dumped in the middle of the season, too. Four teams have just decided that they could totally live without him, RIGHT NOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realdeal1
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Originally Posted by NASpurs
Warriors handed Rockets the series and Rockets choked. Spurs are in a better cap situation than Rockets.
Yeah Rockets and OKC are fcked salary cap wise, unless they trade Steven Adams or Clint Capela which I doubt they’d get much value for either of those guysQuote:
Originally Posted by tbdog
They Swung They Missed.
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Originally Posted by tbdog
Harden is a selfish bastard. As good as he is, I don't see how he ever rings. I watched him sit out at the top of the circle and dribble away whole possessions - over, and over, and over. If someone hits a three on him, he's going to come down and fire one back at them. He celebrates like a jackass when he makes one, and just shrugs his shoulders when he misses three in a row. The rest of the team is an afterthought, and his efficiency would be absolute shit if the zebras didn't send him to the line 10 times a game. The Rockets really are screwed.
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Originally Posted by slick'81
After his 17th year in the league, Pop will give him a 3-yr $48M contract, and then buy him out.
I wonder if DDR and Spurs can’t get to agreement on extension this summer if that signals he’ll be moved.
Murray
White
Mills
Forbes
Walker
Gay
Poeltl
Bertans
Aldridge
9 for sure under contract.....by keeping Gay, we get the full MLE to add 1 or 2 FAs. Do we bring back Beli, probably, though I would rather not. Do we bring in Milutinov (spelling)? Does Metu have an increased role? Do we graduate any other prospects from Austin, like Moore, to the main roster? Do we try and trade any of the above current roster players? Do we make any draft day trades to get a higher selection, or even add a few more selections?
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Originally Posted by Biggems
Belli is still under contract is he not?
I think you are correct, is it a team option?Quote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
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Originally Posted by Biggems
Believe its fully guaranteed but i could be wrong
With the two picks we have I would be fine with trading LA and or Derozen. I'd want picks and at least one star player from one of the deals a small forward who could shoot and play defense. Let's begin to fantasize some decent trades. I like our backcourt with a healthy Murray. If we could turn derozan into that small forward and Aldridge into picks and a solid player Id be all for it.
Why do that to ourselves? This team won't trade DD because of "class", "wouldn't be fair to DD", "not the Spurs way, and "we're getting Murray back. :cry"Quote:
Originally Posted by Payote75
LA is worth 21.3 points and 9.2 rebounds per game. DDR is worth 21.2 points and 6.0 rebounds per game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Payote75
We need to get back 42.5 points and 15.2 rebounds per game. Where do we get that?
If Knicks are looking to make a big move this summer then the spurs could get some of their young assets and clear up their useless player contracts in a trade for LMA. Signing two big free agents plus adding LMA would be a nice haul.
And what the fuck are we getting?
Spurs under contract through next season. Name, dollar amount for next season, stats from this season, regular season games.
Aldridge, $26M
81 games, 33 min/game, 21.3 ppg, 9.2 reb/gm.
Belinelli, $5.8M
79 games, 23 min/game, 10.5 ppg, 2.5 reb. Infamous for lack of defense.
Bertans, $7M
76 games, 21.5 min/game, 8 ppg, 3.5 reb.
DeRozan, $27.7M
77 games, 34.9 min, 21.2 pts, 6 reb, 6.2 assts.
Forbes, $2.875M
82 games, 28 min, 11.8 pts, 2.9 reb, 2.1 assts.
Mills, $12.4M
82 gms, 23.3 min, 9.9 pts, 2.2 rebs, 3 assts. Defends like a barnacle on a shark.
Murray, $2.3M
Injured.
Poeltl, $3.75M
77 gms, 16.5 min, 5.5 pts, 5.3 rebs.
Walker $2.76M
17 gms, 6.9 min, 2.6 pts, 1 reb.
White, $1.95M
67 gms, 25.8 min, 9.9 pts, 3.7 rebs, 3.9 assts.
* Gay, no, his contract has ended, was $10M. 69 gms, 26.7 min, 13.7 pts, 6.8 rebs. Those stats are significant, for offering him another contract, or for replacing him.
* Cunningham and Pondexter, no, their contracts have ended. Their combined stats are about 4 pts and 3 rebs. Their total cost was about 4.6M.
* I don't know about Metu. Bb ref dot com says he signed a 3 yr, but shows nothing beyond this season.
And Demar?Quote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
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Originally Posted by exstatic
And patty?
Patty's actually on his list, under his last name.Quote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
My count was 11, if they cut Metu. That jives with his list, if you add in the missing two players.
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Originally Posted by exstatic
Yes sir.A trade could really help open things up at sg
I didn't say give them away but maybe a team needs a very good all start mid range assassin and have an equal quality small forward to give back which improves us at one position. I think a back court of white and Murray and Forbes rotation would be fine if your adding a small forward that can average 20 pts a game the qu Ston is who??? Same thing for LA not giving him away but again maybe get younger take a lesser player with big upside but we do have some pieces in place. I'm just exhausting all possibilities and I definitely have nothing against DD or LA just want this team comeback strong.
Would've loved to see Brett come back as an assistant, but looks like he will get another year to try to right the ship.
why would the student return to the cuckoos nest?....seems like most ex spurs assistant coaches are doing fine in the league, hopefully messina gets a gig or even udoka...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dex
Even though it’s just Windhorst bullsh*t, even hearing the thought of Zion pulling some crap to leverage NO makes my blood boil.
Its Giannis time guys
Eastern Finals guys, your bets?
Bucks have star power as well as great depth. That's my pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by cutewizard
Assume DDR has been non-commital about extension in exit interviews. Do you move him now to Lakers for #4 + a gimpy Ingram? Not so sure Lakers will do that much better this offseason in terms of landing a star tbqh.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGD
I would absolutely do itQuote:
Originally Posted by CGD
#4 and Ingram for DDR?Quote:
Originally Posted by palangi
Absolutely
lakers wouldnt touch thatQuote:
Originally Posted by CGD
Lots of things would have to break the right way obviously, but I also think the Lakers missed an opportunity at the trade deadline. The Ingram news is not great for them, the path to AD seems further away now, Lebron is still hard to play with, etc. Who exactly are they landing?Quote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
They may be looking at Jimmy Butler.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGD
bring over erazem lorbek
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Originally Posted by Russ
And kemba/kyrie etc
I get it, and again lots of things would have to break the right way, butQuote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
- the New York teams will have $$ to throw at one of those pgs; knicks certainly banking on Kyrie/Durant pairing
- Philly is going to throw ass load of $$ at Butler; they need something to show for emptying the asset warchest
- if I’m NOLA im not really in a rush to take a subpar Laker offer, or any frankly, until Feb. 2020. Boston is lurking too with better offers after the Ingram health news
- the other LA team will take a run at Jimmy if Leonard stays in Toronto.
Whose really left? Tobias Harris?
Agree Flakers are all screwed up they don’t know if they coming or going hell even talk about trading Lebron. The funny thing with Lebron is that he does not have a trade clause with the Flakers meaning they could trade him to any team including NO or Toronto. Lol
Spurs should go hard after Bradley Beal, Washington probably going all tank and rebuild with Wall out for a year and how mass they are, they will want expiring contracts and future assets, spurs should trade Bertans, Bellinelli, Forbes, Walker, #19, #29, Milutinov rights and a future first...