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regardless of whether some of you think White is better than Murray or not, this action by Pop pretty much confirms he will start Murray over him when he's cleared to play. I do not believe he'd start both of them together, either. White will be a good player and will have a solid career but tonight's decision by Pop in an ultimately close Game 7 spoke volumes about what he thinks about him moving forward in terms of the pecking order. He will be a great 6th man, in my opinion though.
You seem like a Derrick white hater.... I like dejounte and for the betterment of team white may have to be the 6th man but can dejounte even make a jump shot yet lol
I don't know why you bring Murray up when he played Patty Mills. You should be mad at the fact that you will have to see another season of Patty Mills running around like a headless chicken for 12 million per year
Instagram Baller can get rebounds and defend the 1 position. White doesn't do shit. :lol
Dejounte was scoring at a good clip in the regular season and had some high point games. Dude can score and defend, and most important, rebound at the elite level from the PG position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Degoat
I'm not a huge White fan, but it's crazy how Murray's stock has gone up here just by people forgetting how terrible of an offensive player he is:lol
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Originally Posted by SpurPadre
THAT is hate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Degoat
white earned his benching tbh. he shit the bed on both ends
It's called expecting better things from a player with more talent and a higher ceiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Dude, Murray got token minutes last season on the playoffs. How is that better than White besting every statistical category from the regular on these playoffs? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
More talent where? Because it sure as hell isn't at dribbling, scoring or passing the ball, tbh. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
I hope dejounte becomes a star but he tore his ACL! Yalls expectations for him need to be loweredQuote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
On the regular? WTF are you smoking? Murray getting token minutes in a series we had no prayer of winning with Manu and TP's last stand is different from White being benched in a winnable game 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Look I like all of the spurs young players but Derrick White has impressed me more then dejounte has
Sure, for three quarters.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Patty shit the bed for an entire series and never once had to worry about his minutes getting cut in a Game 7 :rollin
Ok, now explain me how 7 ppg on 40% shooting is better than 17 ppg on 60% shooting.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
Ugh isnt he injured or still recovering from it?
We lost this series cause of white bum ass. :lmao
true. patty struggled all series. i've commented one that regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
when the chips were down, pop is going to trust a struggling player who has been there vs a struggling young guy with his confidence shot
He was barely 20 playing against one of the greatest teams of all-time. White is approaching 25 and benched in the most important game of the season. Again, it was Manu and TP's last stand as Spurs legends. Of course their usage was going to be greater.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Yeah, so been there that he didn’t even know to foul at the end. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Not to mention Belli. The White haters are coming out of the woodwork it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Fair enough, and I hope this was his last game coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
It was both guys first playoffs series as starters, tbh. One played the part, the other didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
Danny use to get benched 30 seconds into a game for missing a defensive assignment but Paddy's out there missing 7 defensive assignments in a row, and Pop's giving him high five's and patting on the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Paddy shits is to Pop what Lloyd Daniels was to George Lucas. The obsession is real.
What part. Making us fucking lose. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Pop's brand of tough love either makes you a killer or destroys you. White's exiling/benching will either make him a vital part of the Spurs foundation but could just as easily have started the timeclock to him leaving. "Screw this benching me in favor of Patty, I can't wait til I Kingslayer this team." The modern athlete isn't made for Pop's brand of tough love. I am sure Lonnie secretly wishes he would have been drafted somewhere else, and KNOWS he would have gotten more run on ANY other team. Spurs development might have a great track record but that doesn't mean the young players like it.
Mugen is the only one right here. Blaming the correct person instead of debating who sucks less between instagram baller and fathead 2.0
Big players make big shots in big games. White was shook from tip-off
White needs to work on his jumper an he'll be good as our new 6th man. An resign Gay
That would be your guy, tbh. Only thing he's suppossed tonbe good at and he doesn't deliver all series long.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom6
White shot 60% for the series, and 38% from 3. Even at 0-7, he was the better option over Mills in a game 7, ffs.
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Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown
The 3 Ball is everything. You must have missed the fucking game. :lmao
Wait, Lloyd Daniels the Spur? George Lucas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
When we lose, it's clearly cause of white bum ass. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Pop benched Kawhi, Tim and Tony in the playoffs. Benching people who aren't playing right is Pop's calling card. If you read more into that than situational decisions you don't know much about basketball or Pop.
Mills shot 11% from 3 for the series. You must have missed...well, everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom6
Yeah +7 vs -9. Let's play white some more. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown
Can y’all name anybody who has torn an ACL and has comeback better in the NBA?? Lol
Bernard King.Quote:
Originally Posted by Degoat
king posted up quite a lot though, dejounte relies on his quickness and athleticism way moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown
King was a star before his injury, unlike Murray who hasn't accomplished anything - I didn't mean to compare him to Murray, other than to answer your question about coming back from ACL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Degoat
I hope Murray comes back, but his ceiling is nowhere near King, who was an amazing / top 50 all time NBA player.
Are you little girls still arguing about whose boyfriend is cuter? Grow up.
The starting point guard for next season will be determined by performance in camp and the preseason.
You dont know that. Could be whoever has better taste in wine.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDuncan
There is no justification for sticking with mills given the series performance he had had thus far.
None.
We would have been blown out to shit had the Nuggets been better coached and had playoff experience
Murray literally could have done anything he wanted that last 5 minutes
Exactly. We don't have enough guards that can't shoot. Let's sign Rubio too.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Mills was on the court from -17 to -4Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMarcus Bryant
He wasn't better. He was a monster before, and almost always bigger than his defender, didn't really need a spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown
Fuck PopQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Lets blame the coach for making the team take those stupid midrange js and missing them, in the first quarter.
Kobe let it fly and airballed several times in his rookie year, but Jackson stuck with him. I’m no fan of Jackson nor Kobe. I do admire Kobe though and his tenacity. White was our guy in three wins and was one of the main reason why Spurs were in game 7 in the place. White could’ve defended down 4. He’s Spurs future. Why not let him stay. Wrong fucking move tbh
White is the biggest reason they made the playoffs
He's why they had a chance in this series.
Just another classic Spurs thing to add to the list
Pop has a history of waiting to long. We needed white to defend and he’s a guy who can heat up quick. And one of the few who can get to the rim.
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
OP is a huge faggot
If you took that starting lineup last night and put Murray in for Forbes I believe we win that game. Murray can rebound and defend well and White can facilitate and pass well. Both have the ability to get to the rim. Play them both together next season. Lock down the backcourt defense.
Lou Williams, Zach Lavine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Degoat
It's as obvious as day that White is the better player now between Murray and himself. That's not to say Dejounte can't get better and eventually be something Derrick will never be. But if you just look at the numbers White being better is obvious and the eye test also says this is the case.
White was benched yesterday because he was playing bad and for all the Mills hate people spew on here the fact of the matter is Mills helped the team come back and almost win game 7.
You know when the @TheGreatTwat endorses your post, you definitely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Yes, those long 3s from Murray, we missed those last nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Trueblood
Pop wouldn't have played Kobe regularly until he was at least 23Quote:
Originally Posted by John B
sucks
White should have been on the court for the 4th quarter.
Everyone (including the Nuggets) played horrible in the first half.
White should have been on the court in the 4th to bring home the win.
We sure as hell missed his rebounding. We missed his defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by monty4329
How many long 3s did White make in that game? The correct answer is 0.
But all you little girls should knock it off. It's a stupid argument.
We need both White and Murray. And Walker, btw.
I was more pissed seeing Marco out there than Patty. Marco didn't do anything to earn playing time.
I was upset seeing White on the bench, but Mills was part of that group that brought the Spurs back within 4 points.
Cause that's all there is to basketball right? We were out rebounded and we could have used his defense on their Murray. DJ is better on offense than Forbes is on defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by monty4329
Can you read, you idiot?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDuncan
+1. What was Bellineli doing better than White? SMDHQuote:
Originally Posted by MoSpur02
WTF can you at least read the statsheet before writing? Forbes outrebounded DEN starting guards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trueblood
He scored 19 points on 7-11, 18% of the team points.
Fucking Rubio shoots better than DJ, good luck having him on the court together with White.
Go back to your NBA 2K19.
Yes, some people are so dumb they don't even know what they were watching. White was frozen; probably was afraid, game7 and all. it is lunacy to expect better after 3 awful quarters. Who got the team back from -17 was clearly the best possible lineup to close the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoSpur02
Can you read, or even think, you stupid little turd kissing faggot?Quote:
Originally Posted by monty4329
Try again, you stupid little shit head.
The one silver lining about this benching....
White will have to work harder in the summer to improve!!!
you are lucky I taste goodQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffDuncan
What makes you so sure Pop wouldn't bench Instagram Baller for his pet Wombat as well?
The real issue here isn't White/Instagram Baller, it's Wombat. Regardless of who starts (should be White but that's for another discussion) they should both be out there in crunchtime. I guarantee you one of them won't be though to make room for Pop's precious Wombat.
I will disagree with this. Pop should have set the expectation to not do this before the game. Then sat the players who were not aggressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidTheGoliath
Pop has a VERY short leash for the younger players of this team.
Did anyone ask what happened to Bertans? He hasn't played since the 5th game.
Walker could have been serviceable against Denver's guards. He barely played.
Poetl... never played in the 4th.
00:52.2 SAS 86-88 ... should have called timeout and replaced Mills for White. TO DEFEND!
Then call a timeout if and when Denver scores or misses!!
Pop would bench anybody for wombat now. It's pathological.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Pop treats all the young players like he treated Danny Green.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Pop's coaching philosophy is that a player learns from adversity.
That's why the trade with the Raptors. It's important for the Spurs to play in the playoffs! That's the trial of fire.
Unfortunately, previous playoff performance gets you kicked out of the team.
Examples:
Danny Green - 4.2ppg in 2018 playoffs, traded next year
Boris Diaw - Played badly in 2015, traded in 2016.
Richard Jefferson - 6.5ppg in playoffs in 2011, traded next year
Udrich - Played badly in '07, gone next year
White shit the bed. I will eat crow on his play last night. But you can't close with Mills. Period. White had won us a game in the playoffs (could be argued he was the best player in game 1 also) so you close the series with him. The last time Patty won us a playoff game was?? I honestly can't think of one.
Exactly. Aldridge and DeRozan played horribly in the first half. Yet, they had the green light to keep chucking. Why the short leash on White? If Pop valued player development, he should have stuck with White. In fact, did not White go to the table 3 times during the game and get waived back 3 times? He should have been given the opportunity to redeem his bad play. Heck... Mills played 9 minutes more than White but only managed one more point ( 5 vs 4 ) points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobe'sAchilles
At least 2 of those were good moves. Diaw and Dick had to go. While I really thought Beno had the goods to displace Tony, he was absolutely eaten alive by Hunter in the playoffs. He showed up next training camp with an injury and never got out of Pop's doghouse. Possibly also a good move to dump him. He had a decent career as a serviceable rotation player but never realized the potential he flashed in his first regular season here. Danny is the only real head-scratcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
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Originally Posted by Kobe'sAchilles
Mills committed some bad plays, too. His 5th foul (as I recall) was a senseless grab of Murray(?) coming around a pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
OTOH if Malone had done that with Murray he would probably not have won the series.
Actually I don't pour over stat sheets or play video games. I have a life. One for the record that is far more important than arguing with internet trolls who would rather insult people than have an actual conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by monty4329
Now back to your point. Forbes did not out rebound their starting guards. Murray tied him with 3. And for the record he is an average 2 rebounds a game player while DJ is about 5.7. Now if all you want is offense then you're right and I concede to stick with Forbes. But you don't need a team with 5 offensive stars. The warriors have Draymond. They could probably exchange him for a stretch 4 and by your logic they would be better. But what would be the point if what he's making in points he's also giving up on the other end? DJ can shut people down (as evidenced by his 2nd team all defensive standing in his first full year with the team). Who cares if he's not putting up 10-15 if he's holding his opponents down. Let White, LA, Gay and DDR shoot. Let Forbes come off the bench where he belongs. Good role player but simply not a starting caliber player like DJ.
In today's NBA, there's value in having a player that can shut down quick guards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trueblood
In all the post-game pressers Malone stressed how he wanted to concentrate on building up his young guys' confidence and inspiring them to be tougher and work harder. The turnaround in Denver's team D from last year is a good indication of that approach's effect on his team. Pop's approach with young guys is just about the polar opposite. He has to deconstruct young guys in order to rebuild them in his mold. It's the military way.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealtruth
I fear a lineup of DWhite/Dijon/Dumbmar/Rudy/LMA has almost no ability to stretch the floor. Offense would be difficult at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trueblood
I don't disagree actually 😬Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
I'm hoping maybe an off-season with Chip will help one of them work on a corner 3.
White has shown flashes. Heck he ripped it up in the G-league. And I would like to believe the rumors about Dijon's off-season progress as a shooter. All we can do is hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trueblood
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Murray and Joker ran the simplest of pick n roll plays. Wombat got rubbed out and LMA was 10 feet back and was as slow as Pao Gasol to lamely lean forward and do the handwave as Murry pulled up for the midrange vs driving.
FFS it was a simple switch play.
These two have been on the roster for 3 years together yet can't work out a simple switch with the farking series on the line.
Whatever happen to defense first? The reason Wombat was in was White went 0-7, but once they got to 2, he should’ve put him back and coach each play. I really hope PATFO goes back to playing hardcore defense and not try to outscore the opponents inserting Mills/Beli. I get it, Nuggets doubling on Aldridge but did Mills/Beli make any of them pay? NO! Why keep them playing?
Just because u know what they are going to run does not mean you can stop it.
True, and certainly not with your worst defender on the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by BackHome
Everybody 6’ 4” and taller should be knocking 3’s this summer 1000 times a day. No reason we have combination of Mills/Forbes or Beli ever.
I was hoping someone would have information on an injury to White. He didn't tear the game up in the first half, but he has been starting and it was earned. He should have been in the game over Bellinelli.Pop knows his players and their personalities better than anyone on ST, and I didn't see any deep resolve or self-anger on White's face on the sideline. That being said, for the best shot at a win, I think Pop should have challenged him and sent him back to make or break. It would have been best for White's future with the team.
I just read over the above and found I could argue against myself. It's hard to make an argument that White would have made a bigger difference that the team on the court in the fourth that almost caught up with Denver for an unlikely win. Chemistry was there and they were playing hard. So Pop took the risk that White's psyche wouldn't be permanently hurt when we might have a chance to win a tough game.
I hope White doesn't have an uncle.
What chemistry? Beli and Mills didn’t make any shot to punish double team on LaMarsha. That pnr by Murray was on Aldridge not closing in enough on a switch. But there was the dunk by Barton that was Beli not checking his man. Spurs should had their best defenders out there. Instead Pop opted for 2014 magic from Mills and Beli that never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Hopefully White sees this as chip on his shoulder to improve even more. He needs to be out there to close. He’s a fighter and never gave up, why where he’s now. But last night was just wrong coaching to me imo. Pop was looking ahead beyond the series. Twice I saw White heading to the scorers table, and I don’t know why he didn’t go in
Maybe thatll work for guys like danny green. But not on DePression. Dude wouldve imploded on that bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren