Would you trade DeRozan for Nicholas Batum?

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Not only is Batum terrible nowadays, but he's lazy and plays like he doesn't give a fuck anymore..

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To be fair, that was also the knock on Boris Diaw before he signed with the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by Philthemage

Are you against DDR because of his salary or his usage? Because if we replaced DDR with Batum, sorry would be about the same, but no way we would have made that playoffs with Batum instead.

Batum can probably be a really good role player but for that price is even crazier than what we are paying DDR.

At least DDR is a go to guy in the regular season. But he's not in the upper echelon like LeBron, Durant, Kyrie etc when it comes to delivering in crunch time.

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We made the playoffs without DDR... Batum would have been a great floor spacer and defensive player that we desperately need...

Mills, Bertans, and Beli for Batum.

Not straight up, but for something like Batum, Bridges, Parker, future lottery protected 1st, for DeRozan and Belinelli, I would in a second.

Even in his nearly comatose state of recent years, Batum is still easily a better fit than DeRozan. He'd allow Murray and White to actually play together and be the primary ball handlers/play makers (if they're as good or promising as the organization supposedly thinks and much of this board does, then take the training wheels off). He also could assist some in those areas.

If he's capable of being re-invigorated, this would likely be the place. If not, who cares? Allowing the young guards to spread their wings, adding another good prospect and another future pick and having a franchise legend finish up at home, are more than enough reasons . . . but this organization doesn't have the balls to do anything bold.

Yeah - I have to say, if CHA was willing to go all-in to make the playoffs and wanted someone like DeRozan? If they were willing give Batum + their first this year along with taking Mills + Beli for Bismack or MKG? I think I would do that.

Batum + DeRozan money is the same (both have player options after next season too). DeRozan is WAYYYYY better than Batum, but shaving Mills 13M off the books the following year while netting a lottery pick? That is the type of deal sa should explore if they were so inclined.

If they aren’t going to push super hard to get win-now players, then that type of deal should be explored.

Batum + Bismack + Pick 12 (lets say) for DeRozan + Mills + Beli.

Clears a logjam, gives SA some serious cap space for 20/21 and a serious chance to reload with picks 12, 19 and 29.

Beyond that, it would honestly make CHA a playoff team. Their coach obviously knows Beli + Mills. Kemba is a great fit with DeRozan as well.

Taking on Mills one year of money should not be a big deal for them; but would they give up pick 12? I think they would.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Yeah - I have to say, if CHA was willing to go all-in to make the playoffs and wanted someone like DeRozan? If they were willing give Batum + their first this year along with taking Mills + Beli for Bismack or MKG? I think I would do that.

Batum + DeRozan money is the same (both have player options after next season too). DeRozan is WAYYYYY better than Batum, but shaving Mills 13M off the books the following year while netting a lottery pick? That is the type of deal sa should explore if they were so inclined.

If they aren’t going to push super hard to get win-now players, then that type of deal should be explored.

Batum + Bismack + Pick 12 (lets say) for DeRozan + Mills + Beli.

Clears a logjam, gives SA some serious cap space for 20/21 and a serious chance to reload with picks 12, 19 and 29.

Beyond that, it would honestly make CHA a playoff team. Their coach obviously knows Beli + Mills. Kemba is a great fit with DeRozan as well.

Taking on Mills one year of money should not be a big deal for them; but would they give up pick 12? I think they would.

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We both know Mills isn't going anywhere.

I do think the Hornets would be more inclined to give up 12 than Bridges and I'd be fine with that, since it would give the Spurs enough ammunition pick wise to chase Hunter . . . but that's not enough for taking Batum's albatross and not only giving them a (pseudo) star, but likely clinching Walker's re-signing. Spurs would need another quality asset and it's difficult to pinpoint what that would be or make the math work.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

We both know Mills isn't going anywhere.

I do think the Hornets would be more inclined to give up 12 than Bridges and I'd be fine with that, since it would give the Spurs enough ammunition pick wise to chase Hunter . . . but that's not enough for taking Batum's albatross and not only giving them a (pseudo) star, but likely clinching Walker's re-signing. Spurs would need another quality asset and it's difficult to pinpoint what that would be or make the math work.

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I think 12 is more than enough and if you put in MKG instead of Bismack I think that is fair enough compensation. Yes, I do think Batum’s deal sucks, but it’s just 2 more seasons. Beyond that, once he becomes an expiring he might be movable.

But beyond that, clearing out Beli/Mills while now having a rotation with clear minutes for Murray/White/Lonnie/Forbes is a big deal. Would SA be worse with Batum vs DeRozan? Absolutely. Could having Lonnie/White/Murray/Forbes instead of Beli/Mills make up for some of that? I think so.

Plus you get 3 first round picks and the future is more important than the gap between Batum and DeRozan for 2 years - especially since I think SA could STILL be a playoff team if that deal went down.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I think 12 is more than enough and if you put in MKG instead of Bismack I think that is fair enough compensation. Yes, I do think Batum’s deal sucks, but it’s just 2 more seasons. Beyond that, once he becomes an expiring he might be movable.

But beyond that, clearing out Beli/Mills while now having a rotation with clear minutes for Murray/White/Lonnie/Forbes is a big deal. Would SA be worse with Batum vs DeRozan? Absolutely. Could having Lonnie/White/Murray/Forbes instead of Beli/Mills make up for some of that? I think so.

Plus you get 3 first round picks and the future is more important than the gap between Batum and DeRozan for 2 years - especially since I think SA could STILL be a playoff team if that deal went down.

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Then you'd be as big a pushover as the Spurs.

Kidd-Gilchrist would be a horrific fit offensively, making him more albatross (only 1 year, granted) than asset.

I'd argue the Spurs would be as good or better currently because the pieces would fit so much better.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Then you'd be as big a pushover as the Spurs.

Kidd-Gilchrist would be a horrific fit offensively, making him more albatross (only 1 year, granted) than asset.

I'd argue the Spurs would be as good or better currently because the pieces would fit so much better.

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Maybe - at least he’s a wing. But there are luxury tax concerns with both teams with possible variations of this type of deal. But I do think it should be explored.

Yes to trading DePression but not for Batum. Someone who can shoot 3 so LMA can own the perimeter.

Batum sucked badly past couple years but he shot 39% from 3.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Not straight up, but for something like Batum, Bridges, Parker, future lottery protected 1st, for DeRozan and Belinelli, I would in a second.

Even in his nearly comatose state of recent years, Batum is still easily a better fit than DeRozan. He'd allow Murray and White to actually play together and be the primary ball handlers/play makers (if they're as good or promising as the organization supposedly thinks and much of this board does, then take the training wheels off). He also could assist some in those areas.

If he's capable of being re-invigorated, this would likely be the place. If not, who cares? Allowing the young guards to spread their wings, adding another good prospect and another future pick and having a franchise legend finish up at home, are more than enough reasons . . . but this organization doesn't have the balls to do anything bold.

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I wouldn't say Batum is better than DeRozan right now, but yeah he might be a better fit. Putting Batum at SF gives more guard minutes for White and Murray, which would mean three ball handlers, better defense, and more spacing. Batum seems to be in an identical place to Boris Diaw, who was viewed as washed up and in a serious statistical decline with Charlotte before going to the Spurs. I can't see him being physically done at age 30. It looks to me like more of a frustration and exasperation with the franchise, which Diaw also had.

whatever it takes to get kemba. dude should be our #1 target.

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Originally Posted by gambit1990

whatever it takes to get kemba. dude should be our #1 target.

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I just don’t know if CHA is willing to move on from Kemba? On one hand, if they are giving up on Kemba that would probably signal a rebuild and they would want the best draft picks (and other teams have better than SA). If they somehow wanted to move Kemba but try to still be relevant? Then maybe DeRozan would interest them but SA has White/Murray.

NO :wtf

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

Derozan is a fake star. He only made all-star teams in the talent-starved East. He wasn't even close to sniffing an all-star spot this year. He'll most likely never make an all-star team again.

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Due to the team construction and injuries, the Spurs were to low of a seed for him to be considered. He was clearly outplaying LMA at the beginning of the season who made the allstar team.

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

Yes... Regardless of value I care about who makes the team better... Batum would make us a significantly better team than DDR would... Especially combined with Murray... How much does DDR have to fail for ppl to understand he is not that guy, and he isn't a good role player because his ego won't be able to take it and his game isn't made to be a role player because he can't shoot nor play defense

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Have you watched Batum play in the last couple of years? He sucks.

I think you should apply for a job with the Suns front office. They could use another guy with the cajones to sign guys like Jimmer. You could help them land Batum to pair up with him. Sounds like a winning combination.

Lol. Is this a serous question?

Fuck. What is wrong with OP? Gonna ask if they should trade him for THJ next?

I wouldn't even trade Patty for Batum.

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Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford

Obviously yeah, do you understand what a salary cap is? Probably not

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Do you understand that that no one would’ve in their right mind done the trade you suggested? Gmafb

You guys think the Mills contract is bad, and want to trade for Batum?

The only deal I’d consider is taking him on for Mills+Beli while also upgrading to the 12th pick from 19. Maybe have to throw in a small sweetener.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Fuck. What is wrong with OP? Gonna ask if they should trade him for THJ next?

I wouldn't even trade Patty for Batum.

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For a lottery pick and Batum while eating Mills salary? If you are trading for the player, then sure. But SA was a playoff team without DeRozan and Kawhi last year, would likely be without DeRozan next year and you get lottery pick to help reload.

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Originally Posted by R. DeMurre

I wouldn't say Batum is better than DeRozan right now, but yeah he might be a better fit. Putting Batum at SF gives more guard minutes for White and Murray, which would mean three ball handlers, better defense, and more spacing. Batum seems to be in an identical place to Boris Diaw, who was viewed as washed up and in a serious statistical decline with Charlotte before going to the Spurs. I can't see him being physically done at age 30. It looks to me like more of a frustration and exasperation with the franchise, which Diaw also had.

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All of these factors make the deal worth the gamble - especially the Diaw comparison.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I just don’t know if CHA is willing to move on from Kemba? On one hand, if they are giving up on Kemba that would probably signal a rebuild and they would want the best draft picks (and other teams have better than SA). If they somehow wanted to move Kemba but try to still be relevant? Then maybe DeRozan would interest them but SA has White/Murray.

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If you get Kemba, I think it logically follows that you are also sending out one of DWhite/Dijon/LWIV.