Would you trade DeRozan for Nicholas Batum?

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Originally Posted by FkLA

The thing is, his entire career he's been asked to be a #1 or at the very least a 1a/1b guy alongside two other guys in Lowry+Aldridge that are fake stars in their own right. My guess is he wouldn't be a net negative guy if he was a #2 or #3. If you plugged in Batum into the same exact role, he'd be an even bigger net negative. He's only a break even player as a role player. Not an apples to apples comparison, imo.

I'm not opposed to trading DeRozan though. We need a better #1, period.

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Nah, Derozan has no second/third option skills. He can't play offball, defend, or shoot the three ball. That's why he's such a flawed(and useless) player. He needs the ball in his hands to score his 20 midrange points every game. Derozan, like Carmelo, is a 90s throwback that has no place in the modern NBA. Houston made the right choice in cutting Carmelo. Because the Spurs are so backwards and behind the times, they will probably extend Defrozen.

I saw somebody mention it in another thread, but Derozan as a 6th man is the only place you can probably play him without hurting your team. He can iso as much as he likes against opposing benches. Derozan himself is just a Lou Williams type player that received delusions of grandeur in Toronto so a bench role makes the most sense. He's not fit to be a 1st option or even a sidekick. The only problem here is that he's being paid 1st option type money. Combined with the fact that Spurs are also paying Mills a lot, that'd be $40 million tied up around two bench players...not a good look.

As of now, DDR has a lot more market value than Batum. He's been an all star most of his seasons (Batum never), makes more than double the points, is and has quite always been a first option (Batum is not) and is also younger than Batum...and, more than all, this season he has increased his value by numbers and stats, while Batum has decreased his value to the bottom of his career stats.
The point is that for Charlotte DDR could be an ideal fit if Kemba decide to stay with them...because, in a win now perspective, could give them the second offensive weapon they really need to have a play off chance.
So, in few words, Charlotte could be the ideal trade partner...in the sense that they could (and actually should) give us the most they could for having DDR services...and the fact that Borrego is still running them is a benefit for us in the sense of valuing our other players...

So a trade like DDR + Belinelli + Metu for Batum + 12 (2019) draft pick + Bridges + Marvin Williams (if he opts in) could be possible...and probably good for both teams.

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Originally Posted by venitian navigator

As of now, DDR has a lot more market value than Batum. He's been an all star most of his seasons (Batum never), makes more than double the points, is and has quite always been a first option (Batum is not) and is also younger than Batum...and, more than all, this season he has increased his value by numbers and stats, while Batum has decreased his value to the bottom of his career stats.
The point is that for Charlotte DDR could be an ideal fit if Kemba decide to stay with them...because, in a win now perspective, could give them the second offensive weapon they really need to have a play off chance.
So, in few words, Charlotte could be the ideal trade partner...in the sense that they could (and actually should) give us the most they could for having DDR services...and the fact that Borrego is still running them is a benefit for us in the sense of valuing our other players...

So a trade like DDR + Belinelli + Metu for Batum + 12 (2019) draft pick + Bridges + Marvin Williams (if he opts in) could be possible...and probably good for both teams.

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Don't feed me hopes and dreams, bro... We know this FO will give DDR an extension... Both him and LMA will retire as spurs... Let's be prepared for seven more years of first round exits and second round ceilings

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Originally Posted by exstatic

We have a fundamental disagreement. With Batum this year, we don't make the playoffs. If that's your goal, then I get where you're coming from, but disagree. You can't just plug in 9/5/3 and expect it to replace 21/6/6. Yes. DDR is a regular season player, but he's a damn good one, and carried us for long stretches this year.

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I get where you're coming from, but I don't think the point replacement comes from Batum-- it comes from a spaced out floor, opening up driving lanes for penetration, and from making Aldridge much harder to double. 9ppg is Batum's worst possible showing. I'd say 12 ppg is a reasonably expectation. That means you need 9 points total from White, Aldridge, Gay, Poeltl, Forbes, Mills, Bertans, etc. to make up DeRozan's total, while having a better defense. I think that's doable.

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