he is a kawhi level player............he single handedly beat duke which is going to have 3 of the first top5 draft picks........... he dominated zionQuote:
Originally Posted by azarel
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he is a kawhi level player............he single handedly beat duke which is going to have 3 of the first top5 draft picks........... he dominated zionQuote:
Originally Posted by azarel
Kawhi level player lmao. You are in for a rude awakening.
I hope he falls to us
If he falls to 19 he is a no brainer. With that said I think someone in the late lottery takes a flier on him
after Zion, there is a great possibility of any team that does not drafted Rui, will regret it later, it's simple, still today I can not believe that 14 teams did not drafted Giannis.
i watched kawhi get abused by jimmer multiple times in college..........jimmer scored 40 on kawhi..............rui shut down the best prospect since lebron/ best recruiting class ever/ 3 top 5 draft picks............by himselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
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Originally Posted by playblair
Using Jimmer Fredette may not be the best way to try and prove that college success will translate to the NBA.
And am I wrong, or did you just say that Rui Hachimura shut down three Duke players at the same time? This is one of those blue font things, right?
You obviously didn’t watch that game. Zion didn’t get shut down and the player that did the best job on him was Clarke.Quote:
Originally Posted by playblair
:lol This board would explode if Tankathon's draft actually happened. They have us picking Bruno Fernando at #19, and Rui goes the next pick to Boston. I have to agree with timvp, though. He's WAY less valuable as a PF, and that's how Tankathon lists him. He's quite bluntly a weak rebounder, 7.7 per 36.
:tu Zion went for 22 & 10 in that game. But Brandon Clarke had 6 blocks, despite only playing 23 minutes due to foul trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...meId=401096923
11.https://cdn-s3.si.com/images/minneso...olves-logo.png TIMBERWOLVES: RUI HACHIMURA, PF, GONZAGA
Height: 6'8" | Weight: 230 | Junior
The buzz at the combine was that there is very little chance Hachimura slips out of the lottery, with Minnesota generally thought to be a soft landing spot for him. NBA teams value his alpha-dog mentality, physical tools and defensive switchability, and many are of the belief that Hachimura can still take his game to another level, particularly if his shooting improves. There’s some risk his feel doesn’t improve offensively. But those who feel comfortable projecting Hachimura as an efficient secondary scorer who rebounds and defends both forward spots can justify it here.
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/05/20/nb...t-post-combine
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Heard Rui got a commitment in the lottery (Minnesota was the buzz at the Combine) — usually when you take a commitment you shut down workouts and meetings with teams.
Good. Let him rot away in Minnesota. Hes really not worth a pick.
Don't buy it, tbh. Rui shut it down before lottery order was determined so it's a stretch to imagine a lottery team would send out a promise before finding out where they would draft.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford
And more importantly, that rumor originated from that Rocket fan who used to run H:lol:lolpsworld before it died due to never getting anything right in its history.
https://thestanleyhudson.home.blog/2...ith-the-spurs/
WHY HACH WILL END UP ON THE SPURS ... must read article!
That's actually pretty hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man Mountain
Lol - I wonder how much red string he had up in the basement while writing this :lol. I would be good with it though. I don’t love anyone outside of the top 4 so he’s about as good as I could hope for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man Mountain
Hachimura had 20 points in 37 minutes, but Norvell also scored 18 pts and Brandon Clarke had 17 points and 6 blocks in only 23 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by playblair
Duke made its run when Clarke was sitting with foul trouble.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...meId=401096923
Yea we arent touching this guy
Keep an eye on the Spurs and him...
Rui was overrated when people had him in the conversation for going in the top 5 but at 19, he'd be a difficult prospect to pass on if you're the Spurs. Perfect body for the combo forward the Spurs desperately need. Quick enough to potentially move full-time to the perimeter. Pretty damn strong in the paint (I watched Rui vs Kabengele and Rui frequently out-muscled him and Kabengele is the most musclebound player in the draft).
He's obviously raw and right now has a low defensive IQ but he has a high upside and if he pans out he fits perfectly next to White, Murray, Walker and Poeltl.
He might not be my top realistic player at 19 but he's way up there after watching more of him.
At 19, in love with him, assuming he falls that far. Maybe can spread a mysterious lingering issue about him. Maybe he was hit in the thigh 5 years ago in some mysterious back alley game of chess while visiting china ...
So who's your top?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
God no to this guy. We dont need a david west / paul millsap type player
Working on my Big Board :readingQuote:
Originally Posted by Uriel
Still LMAO @ Hoopsworld claiming the Spurs were announcing the signing of Warm Karl when they called a press conference for Sean Elliott's jersey retirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Bend over. I'll show you whose your top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uriel
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Originally Posted by Dejounte
A prime paul Millsap is the EXACT player you need for today’s NBA.
As suspected, Rui doesn't actually have a promise.
(That HoopsWorld guy continues his streak of never being right about anything)
He set you up like a bowling pinQuote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
It's a strange.draft. Make a list of players you'd be "okay" with at 19, and there's more than 18 of them. Somebody has to fall to the Spurs. And that doesn't even account for the possibility that PATFO will reach down to take a guy all of us have in the 20's.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Don't get why so many people like this guy. His measurables are tantalizing but he just seems like he has no awareness. Constantly makes the wrong play, in the wrong place, very slow processing speed. That's much harder to fix than a broken shot I think.
Exactly. People are too in love with how he measures up. And thats about it. Dude has no feel for the game and isnt smooth at all. Theyll go mention Kawhi as a comparison but they are two completely different canvases.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursBills
One of the guys Spurs probably have their eyes on.....
Which technically is a streak in and of itself, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
He is starting to fall in some mocks even past Spurs.
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Originally Posted by SpursBills
Which game did you watch? I'd like to know, so I can go watch the video.
Or did you just read an article?
At first I wasn’t a fan but he’s growing on me, we would be lucky if we got him at 19
West was a two time All Star, and Milsap a four timer. If you can get that at 19, you don’t even hesitate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
But I want Zion at 19 :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
The Spurs need to be prepared to trade up 5-6 spots to draft Hachimura or Clarke.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
Don't know if a team will want whatever we'd have to offer or if the Spurs would pull the trigger on that.
Charlotte seems like the target at 12 for a trade up. They could loose both Kemba and Lamb in FA. Spurs have a bunch of guards. Who would you trade to move up? Because the Heat, Celtics, Pistons, Nets, and Pacers would all draft him. If he isn't drafted by Minnesota at 11, then I would think he's in play. The only scenario I would really worry about is Jordan wanting to draft Little and not listen to trade offers.
Unless they want Wombat or Forbes then Instagram Baller can GTFO, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by LCM
If Jordan wants someone, I don’t want them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LCM
Would you trade Lonnie?Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Hell no and neither would SA.Quote:
Originally Posted by LCM
Jordan picking Nasser Little coming out of UNC is like shooting fish in a barrel. For the Spurs to get Rui, I would think Charlotte, or pray he falls to Pistons because him and Blake Griffin is a bit redundant. I just don't see Miami not grabbing him or the Celtics at 14 and using him in a trade package or keeping him if they trade Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum. If the Wolves don't pick him at 11, Charlotte at 12 is where the Spurs need to trade to get Rui.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I don't think it would be necessary. Instagram Baller is pretty highly thought of around the league even though he's kind of a fraud. There's not a deal that would work with Lonnie that wouldn't also work with IB.Quote:
Originally Posted by LCM
I agree with you, I wouldn't trade him either. But they will have to give something to someone to move up if that is the plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Spurs aren’t trading Murray/Lonnie/White unless it’s for a star. If it were a top 4 or 5 pick, maybe. But not for anything late-ish lottery.
They have 2 first rounders, Beli/forbes/Bertans and future firsts/seconds. If that is not enough, then they won’t move up IMO (unless something unexpected happens with trading DeRozan/LMA)Quote:
Originally Posted by LCM
The only reason I think DJ is safe is supposedly he has been in the coaches meetings all year. He's been tutored this whole year as to what the coaches are thinking, how they adjusted because of injury and personnel this year, and what Pop is going to want to do differently next year with everyone healthy. Pop isn't going to spend that time with him and then deal him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
I think they would if they're as high on Rui as some of us are. They had no problem trading Georgie, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Wouldn't trade up for Clarke. He can only fit in certain lineups and is just an iffy fit with the core overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
I'm not sure I'd trade up for Rui either. I like him at 19 but he had legit flaws that would scare me from using too many assets on him. I mean, his basketball IQ is legitimately suspect. I'm not convinced he has the IQ to survive defensively in San Antonio's system.
He probably is. Everyone's enamored with him, while the humble, superior PG gets treated like a redheaded stepchild. Wouldn't shock me if they dangle White before they dangle IB smh.Quote:
Originally Posted by LCM
Even coming out of college, Kawhi’s defense and rebounding and bball IQ was considered elite. If they really felt they could get someone with Kawhi upside? Sure. But it seems so unlikely that anyone after pick 4 has that type of talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Odds of getting an all nba defensive player (Murray) with pick 10-19 are slim, so why trade Murray? Getting a guard as polished as White with legit 2-way chops? Low. Lonnie would be a top 14 pick IMO this year with another year of playing showing well.
I just don’t see trading one of those guys for a question mark player when 2 of the 3 already showed legit nba skills and Lonnie is close to being a higher ceiling than both of them.
But sure, if they think they have a future MVP/DPOY player they would put one of them on the table.
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Originally Posted by timvp
I mean, I don’t disagree, but with the assets SA has to trade, I wouldn’t mind trading up for Rui. If trading up means 19+29 to get 15? I don’t view that as a big deal. If Rui is who they love, I don’t mind losing 29 for him (even though not ideal).
Or even if it costs 19 + Beli or something like that? Meh.
Edit: Now, if moving up really does mean having to part ways with Murray or Lonnie or White? Then absolutely hell no. I agree with Chinook though - Poeltl could be an attractive piece and SA has already a reasonable path to replacing him. So if it’s 19 + Poeltl? I don’t view that as anything to sweat over really.
But I would rather have Little than Rui.
My friend, I am telling you SA isn’t dangling any of their young guys unless it’s for a package that is way different then moving up from 19 to 10-15.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Spurs shouldn't trade any of Murray/White/Walker/Poeltl and hopefully pick up 2 more rookies for the forward spots. That would give them a complete core of young guys for the future. To move up I think 19 + Bertans is an offer other teams would be interested in, although moving one of the guards would make more sense (Forbes/Belinelli). If I'm not mistaken, moving Bertans 7 million would give us about 19 million in cap space, if we include Rudy's cap hold it's something like 6 million. Seems like a move that makes a lot of sense. I for one like Hachimura and I think Cam Johnson at 29 might be a save pick, cause he's the best shooter coming out of college and ready to play.
https://fansided.com/2019/05/24/rui-...ense-problems/
Spurs aren't drafting this kid.
Very Harden esque on defense, but his offense is prolific, he'll go lottery because of it, I compare him as a player to Carmelo Anthony/Glen Robinson...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
And what is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
They can draft his replacement at 29 (the crop of bigs thought to be available there is actually rather shocking) and sign Milutinov/one of the several vet centers who are available every year nowadays to hold down the fort until that guy develops.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjktkk
You don't need a "core of young guys"; you need about two really good ones. By that I mean near and future All-NBA types. Are any or all of those guys on track to be in that category? Maybe. I personally think Lonnie's career can follow a Oladipo-like trajectory. That would put him at the top end of the "second option" tier. Some folks have Murray as an elite defense/impact guy like Draymond. Okay. So maybe those are both keepers. What about White and Poeltl? White might be that solid starter/"fourth option" type that a lot of championship teams need. Poeltl might be a Splitter who stays healthy enough to reach his potential. Both of those things are valuable, but only to a point. If you can move one or both of those guys to get someone you think can jump ahead of Walker to get into that "first option" tier, why would you let those guys stop you?Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford
And of course, you might go, "Well if it really comes down to that, I'd rather trade DeRozan or Aldridge", but what kind of sense does that make really? Impact stats have created a false sense of equivalency between stars and role-players. The truth is that DeRozan and Aldridge are way better than any of the Spurs' prospects can reasonably be projected to become. Yes, they have their problems, but so will most players who develop. You don't trade your stars to hold onto solid role-players. You let your future stars come up as role-players before handing them the reigns. That's how you maintain greatness, not by trying to get a whole bunch of guys the same age and either watch most of them walk or sign all of them and be in the tax while having no path to majorly improve.
where did I say I disagree with you? :lol You don't have to be so defensive Chinook, I agree with your points. The only reason I say they should hold on to all of the young guys is because I don't really see a potential franchise player in this draft that the Spurs could trade up for. Maybe next year, but that'll be a whole different scenarioQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Rui doesn't have good defensive IQ but that was a terrible article, tbh. Their main example is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
That was actually pretty damn good defense by Rui, tbh. Clarke was fronting the post (he's so small that he's extra vulnerable to the pass over the top in that situation), so Rui recognized it and helped from the other side of the court. He anticipated the pass to his man, ran him off the three-point line without leaving his feet and was able to stay with him. The Gonzaga guard on the top of the key opted to let their center shoot a three rather than rotate over (looking it up, that center on Pacific isn't a three-point threat). Textbook defense and actually one of the better reads Rui made on defense, ironically, tbh :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by article
Poeltl sets good picks. It's an under-appreciated art, and he's the best the Spurs have had in that department since Splitter, and this was his first year with these players. He's also shown that he can be a very productive roll man. That's also an under-appreciated art. And it's becoming more important than ever in today's game. The Spurs can easily get another player with his height, and who doesn't shoot 3's. But if it was easy to find guys who have a feel for the PnR, everybody would have one. The Spurs aren't going to get rid of Poeltl unless they have a very specific player in mind, who will be a big difference maker, and who they can't get without using him to move up.
:lol at ranking him the 41st best player because of "feel"
Fucking tryhards, tbh.
This guy is still the one. I rewatched a couple of YT vids of this dude to make sure I didn't overrate him the the first time around and I'm kind of perplexed at how some people don't see it with him. Offensively, he looks like a mix of Nephew and Gay. :wow
Our Spurs will be back if we draft this kid, tbh.
The hipster thing to do for draft experts right now is to pretend Rui belongs in the 40s on the Big Boards. There's just no way, IMO. His almost perfect modern day NBA frame and real life production at Gonzaga is enough to make him at the very least top 30.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
He was overrated when earlier this year there was talk about him going in the top five but now the pendulum swung too far the other way.
Rui is the Spurs target.
If they can obtain him, they will.
They have scouted him extensively and gone beyond that.
Im gonna laugh so hard when we dont draft this guy and hes there for the taking.
Idk bruh, admittedly I haven't watched much of the consensus Top 5/Top 10 guys but I find it really hard to believe that there are 10 better prospects than him. He just looks so damn impressive to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Whatever it takes, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCity
I'm with you on that. Still think he got star potential and physically he has all the tools. There's no coach better than Pop who could improve his awareness and positioning on defense and there's no better shooting coach who could help him up his 3-point percentage than Chip. Those are his 2 main weaknessesQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
goodQuote:
Originally Posted by RiverCity
One-post guy has to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCity
Trade up to get him.
Murray, White, Walker, Rui, Poetl is a helluva future
He has incredible size. Looks so fluid offensively, and defensively can work himself to be a nightmare on that end. I hope we get him.
I’d order a jersey the minute we draft him
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Originally Posted by look_at_g_shred
He is the only player Spurs should trade 19 and 29 for
Do you claim to have inside information or is this just speculation based on media reports?Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCity
When you list them, it looks like a buncha nobodies tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Dennis the Menace
When you think of their raw tools, high ceilings, desire to be great, and the developmental program (chip). Makes you feel good about the futureQuote:
Originally Posted by TimmyBuckets
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Originally Posted by RiverCity
Ding ding ding
Fluid offensively? Lmao! Its clear people who support Rui watch 1 video and base it all on that.
Doesn’t matter what we want still has to fall to us I would be Ok with trading 19 and 29 and would look at packaging Belli/Bertans/Forbes and second round pick to get move back into first round I am thinking 20 to 24 pick?
But I am still cool with staying at 19 and 29 I think if things fall right we can get two guys who could help the team in the future. It’s a weird draft lots of movement but I do trust Pop and RC when it comes to drafting players.
A number of us follow the various draft sites, which disagree with each other on many things. One thing they do agree on is that the draft flattens out after about pick 10. There's no point in trading two picks in that range for one pick in that range. You're just trading two post 10 propects for one post 10 prospect, reducing the chances of having at least one out of two pan out.Quote:
Originally Posted by BackHome
This is true....on paper. But if SA values someone way more than who is left, it’s ok to move up if that is the case. Might not be, but I trust SA if they do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
that’s Why I don’t want to move up for a 12-13 pick for example. One exception would be a player San Antonio really like DPG said.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
but even with that I think it’s better to keep 19 and 29, the only thing will do is trading a pick with a player to move up but not both picks.
Huchimama gone be gone by 19
If the Spurs really liked Rui that much I don't think we'd know about it. I'm not calling the information outright false, but I am somewhat skeptical.
i''m willing to give lonnie and #19 in order to move up and get this guy...
Good thing you're not the GMQuote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
Amen!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
Lonnie is a better prospect than most of our realistic targets for the 2019 draft. Giving up him + #19 is dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
Who passed out the stupid pills?Quote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas