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whats up with lonnie's knees, are they holding on? anyway loonie is raw as they come and too style over substance, you have too much belief in him...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stump
Don't trade none of the young guys. Add on to them
Agreed. Put it this way, if Lonnie was in this class he’d likely be a top 10 pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford
True Dat :flag:
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Originally Posted by kobyz
Rob Pelinka on line 2 with a hiring offer. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
So is Hachimura.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
I'm 100% on board for drafting him if he falls to 19, but I don't see the need to trade up for him if you have to use a big prospect or your other 1st rounder. Would rather just take whoever falls.
Hachimura has more polish offensive game, prototype physical profile, he's humble, coachable kid, he has good chance with spurs develop system to become corner stone player...Quote:
Originally Posted by buujness
The same can be said about Lonnie, tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
2 out of 7 mock draft shows Rui in 18th pick. Spurs could luck out!
https://hoopshype.com/2019/05/15/201...ttery-results/
i don't think so, lonnie has questionable heart, more into instagram, hairstyle, his game also much more imature at this point, much more of a project overall...Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
he doesn't fall past minnesota at #11, and most probably a top 10 pick...Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
One thing that could ultimately really help Rui's stock is his Japan roots. In baseball, some owners don't even count the money that they pay Japanese players because they'll make it all back in added ad revenue from Japan. In Rui's case, an owner could demand that he be drafted because the owner would profit off of the rookie deal.
That said, Japan isn't exactly known for the willingness to embrace biracial athletes so maybe not. Difficult to say for sure but that could tip the scale for a few teams ahead of the Spurs who may not otherwise have him atop their draft board.
Oh ok, so you dislike Lonnie for non-basketball reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
i don't think he's a true professional...Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
He's 20 fucking years old. I'm sure you were the very model of maturity and decorum at 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
Very low chance of Lonnie being a cornerstone player, imo. Outside shot at him being a consistent starter for a season or two, maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
why?Quote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
as an nba player there is no time to fuck around if you want to be great...Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
that's fair. we all have our opinion on what a "true professional" is, so i can't say you're wrong. from what i've seen and heard about him, i never got the impression that he wasn't a professional or incapable of developing into the player some feel he can become.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
If that's the case, I think it'll have more to with dejounte's and white's development more than anything. That's a good problem to have, imo. Outside of those two, I think lonnie has a better shot than forbes, mills, and belli of being a starter going into the 20-21 season. I was more focused on the "being coachable, having an nba body, and humble" portion of the quote. I admittedly don't know much about Rui, but I don't think anyone we draft is going to be a plug-n-play starter on day one. Therefore, if you able to project him has a cornerstone player, I feel you can say the same about Lonnie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
It'll have absolutely nothing to do with that. They're not even the same positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
As it stands, you're overly optimistic in an unpractical way.
Lonnie has yet to show anything outside of athleticism that he'll be that player. We can hope. I'll admit it's still early in the process.
:lol That logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
:lol 'I don't know about the dude, but if you say he's a cornerstone, the Lonnie has to be too.'
:lol Fanboy crush apparently.
Let me fill you in. He's a bonafide NBA player at this point; whereas, L. Walker isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
this is what I was thinking. Spurs could expand into the Japanese market which they haven't done yet and it could become some type of hype like we had with Manu and all the Argentinians coming to the games and buying jerseys. That helps small market teams and we've been known for having a lot of international players on the team. The kid is just a perfect fit and is already a Spurs fan. Would love to have him and Cam JohnsonQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
No he is not, not even close. He'd need a full year in Austin, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Definitely not taking talent evaluations from the guy who thinks Jimmer is worth a shit and the emo guy who almost killed himself because Pop ruined his life :lol
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDuncan
Don't ever confuse your lack of reading comprehension with how sound my logic is. I never argued that lonnie was better or worse than Rui, just that he's also got an NBA body, is humble, coachable, and under the Spurs development system he could turn into a special player. The same things robyz said about Rui, minus the polished offensive game. I don't have to know Rui to know the Spurs would likely give him the g league treatment his first year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
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Originally Posted by Spurtacular
I just watched a full season of bryn fucking forbes as a starter. I don't think lonnie, with two years of development under his belt, would be any less capable in filling that role. And yes, that is based on optimism.
Coming out of college, who had the more polished offensive game is up for debate. Hachimura has more moves; Walker had a better shot. Obviously, Walker is more polished now.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
Hachimura, at this point, has no clue how to play team defense. If he isn't on the ball, he's either staring into the clouds or running around like a chicken with his head cut off.
Here's an interesting article from RealGM about how Hachimura feels compelled to be the face of Japan's FIBA Basketball. As he said, this could be a lot of pressure for him, so it sounds like he knows the responsibility and importance this would be for Japan, FIBA and the NBA. IF the Spurs were to draft this guy, as another poster pointed out, this could be another Manu-like sensation, thus adding another fandom to be added to the Spurs' popularity, especially from an international standpoint. It's also gonna be interesting to see how Rui will handle this pressure, but IF the Spurs were to draft him, it's unsure if this could be a distraction for him or the team, but on the other hand, this may also be the organization that can help him to excel with reaching the Japanese fanbase, as well as to help him to cope with the pressures and the responsibilities of being the face of basketball in Japan. On one hand, could SA be too small of a market to build his brand from? But either way, this could be a lot on his shoulders when the time comes. Here's the article:
RealGM WiretapRealGM Wiretap
Rui Hachimura: I Want To Be Face Of Basketball In Japan.
MAY 31, 2019
Rui Hachimura described his excitement of leading a resurgence of interest in Japanese basketball following the national team's recent success.
Hachimura averaged 21.5 points and 6.0 rebounds in leading Japan to its first World Cup appearance in 13 years.
"Basketball's getting bigger in Japan and I want to be the guy, the face of it. I'm so excited about it. I want to be the guy who can be the whole well-rounded athlete for Japan," said Hachimura.
Hachimura added that he feels outside pressure from sneaker companies eager to develop his brand.
"Shoe companies tell me I'm going to be big. It's a bit of pressure. People expect me to be great, but it's not a big deal for me. I just have to do whatever I can on the basketball court and the rest will take care of itself."
I’d be thrilled if we draft this guy but I just don’t see it happening
Bryn has offensive functionality that Walker doesn't possess, namely being reliable from three to space the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
I'm not prognosticating anything detrimental for Lonnie. I'm simply saying that he has a lot of work to do in all areas of the game; and we don't know if he'll get there or not.
Next to impossible unless Spurs trade an asset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Degoat
13 4 18 16 12 17 19 . https://hoopshype.com/2019/05/15/201...ttery-results/
1 in 7 chance that he's available at 19.
I agree with you in that Lonnie has a lot of work to do on his game, and no one knows for sure how he'll turn out. My point in bringing up Forbes is that you don't have to have a polished all around game to be a capable starter. Bryn is an undrafted, undersized SG who worked on his game, and found himself starting his third year (albeit due to injuries). Lonnie has a much higher ceiling, and his shot isn't broken. The thought of him being a reliable three point shooter, and capable starter going into his third year, isn't that farfetched for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Getting back to the thread topic.. If Rui is the player you believe him to be, I'd be more than happy for the Spurs to get him. I'd just rather it be because of him falling to us, rather than trading a young asset + 19 for him.
You don't have to sell me hard on the ridiculousness of Bryn being a starter. Sure, it works when he's in a groove; but overall it's a poor idea. I said he and Mills needed to not even be in the rotation for Game 7 (short of possible spot minutes), and the ST wankers did not like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
Offensively, I can live with the peaks and valleys for Bryn though; so, it's not that. The fact is he's arguably the worst defensive guard in the league. It's probably between him and Isiah Thomas (even pre-injury).
As for Rui, he's 12th on ESPN's list of best available players, and that's probably low based on some younger or more athletic players getting the benefit of the doubt. He's legit pushing top five best available, imo. There's nothing on our non duo core that should be off the table for that type of player. But I don't know if we'll find a sucker. Nobody is eager to be the next Indiana Pacers (Kawhi Leonard) when it comes to trading down to the Spurs.
Unlike most players in the draft, Rui already has experience playing against proven NBA players. He plays on the men's national team for Japan and led them to a win over Australia in the FIBA World Cup Qualifiers last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDuncan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0SjiwmBlUE
Hachimura > Mills confirmedQuote:
Originally Posted by Boomersgold
I'll always remember Kawhi's interview at the Rookie Sophmore gamme he first participated in.. Said something alomg the lines of "it's great but I wanna be an all star every year" dude wasn't fucking aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
I wonder if PAFTO like Rui over Luka Samanic. If they are both available, my gut tells me they prefer the latter.
oh now you dont speak english againQuote:
Originally Posted by kobyz
lol bustin out the thesaurusQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
I know this thread Is suppose to be about Rui lol but the thing that worries me about Lonnie is his work ethic. I know we joke about dejounte being an Instagram baller but at least he’s in the gym. I follow most of the spurs players on Instagram and most of the guys are always posting stuff in the gym but I never see Lonnie post anything of him working out, getting shots up, etc.
Um, not to make this a Murray thread, but DJM's way of handling social media isn't the only or best way. Lonnie came back from two injuries and improved massively over the course of the season. You don't do that with a shit work ethic. Do you make posts of you at work or getting ready for work, or do you post about fun stuff you do or random thoughts? Walker was probably a regular dude when he got his media accounts. There's nothing wrong with him using them like that rather than like a platform to build his brand. And no, there's nothing wrong with DJM using them like he does either. Different strokes and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Degoat
Ironically, I heard just today that Walker has gained ten pounds of muscle already this offseason. The Spurs wanted him to gain 15 pounds of muscle over the summer and he's already 2/3rds of the way there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Degoat
Sounds like the dude is gonna be asked to guard threes. He was already solid when he came into the league. Wonder how it'll affect his hops.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
He already looked like he gained muscle mass at the end of the season. Kid already has an NBA body. If he adds another 15 pounds he will be brolic and more like an SF rather than SG. I expect him to have a consistent role next seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
If Walker will be asked to defend threes, could that mean PATFO won't target a SF at the draft?
I don't think they're worried about the three at all. I think they're fine with DeRozan starting and Beli/Walker/Bertans/Gay taking the rest of the minutes. I do think they'll look at forwards though because the team doesn't have any on the roster who are signed after next year besides Metu. If they draft someone like Hachimura or Cam Johnson, I think they'll pay lip service to the idea of them playing SF but they'll play them almost exclusively at PF.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
Can they ask the same from Murray. I mean the guy’s legs are begging to get broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I don't know about all that. Spurs still have long term needs at the 3-4-5. I would expect them to use both picks on those three positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
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Originally Posted by acoelho1
Rui is 1A. He’s the target.
He just the other day took a selfie showing this and showed his weight on the scale being about 10 lbs higher. Walker works, he just doesn’t show it like Murray.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I hope they at least try & get into the lottery for Brandon Clarke.
then we will have a player in a condition where he will be undersized instead of using a natural player of the position, great.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
Spurs have 5 guards already in the roster: Mills, Forbes, White, Murray and Walker. Do the Spurs need more?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
I think this year's draft is one of the unusual ones that you can get an athletic big (Claxton, Roby, Fernando etc) in the late 20s.
Don't forget DDR. He's been playing the 3 but his natural position is the 2. That gives us 6 natural guards. I do believe it's time for a trade...Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Pop just loves to play players out of position. He does it every year
Yep, Pop has been the pioneer for the wrong version of position-less basketball...Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford
They probably do, but he just has a high metabolism and struggles to put on muscleQuote:
Originally Posted by John B
Mills didn't play but Hachimura > Maker (and Dellavedova) confirmedQuote:
Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford
Rui Hoochiemama, the Japanese Tyler Hansbrough
OK, that was fucking funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by phxspurfan
Its such a terrible take thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by phxspurfan
Check this out guys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xHoYnuMLZQ
Was Sabonis the most skilled center to ever play the game?????
Wow!!!!!
My favorite players now include:
Chamberlain
Manu
Sabonis
Olajuwon
Pressey
Reverse dunk????????
Oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was that the Admiral denied twice by the powerful blocks of Sabonis????
Sabonis at center
Nowitzki and Durant at forwards
Pressey and Pippen at guards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im now set, my favorite centers are Chamberlain and Sabonis!!!!!!!!!!
And then my power forwards are Olajuwon and Russell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My shooting forwards are Durant and Nowitzki!!!!!!!!!
I am going to be fucking floored if we don't land Rui. Every single time I rewatch his vids I see a star, tbh.
I think you need to temper expectations some. He really is a poor defender. It’s a big deal how bad he is on that end. There is always hope, but it’s not like his offense is SO good you can just completely overlook the defensive issues and awareness. The more I read, the LESS I feel confident even if I really want him to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Was he really considered that bad of a defender in college? I don't really watch college basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I'm basing everything on highlight videos, but he looks like he could easily be an above average defender to me. He has the physical tools, he doesn't seem like a dumb kid, and the Spurs system always helps. I'm having a tough time picturing him being a liability on that end. The full Gonzaga/Duke game is available on YT, will probably watch it before draft day. Hopefully his defense isn't that disappointing.
It’s the sole reason he’s like a tier 4 player on the majority of people’s draft boards. He’s not good on man defense and really bad in team defense settings. Not sure if it’s the language thing or just really bad instincts but it’s a consistent knock on him pretty much no matter who you read.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
I still don't think you pass on him though. He already has an NBA body, so you don't have to spend the first year with him just putting on weight and adding strength like you did with Murray. If your biggest goal is to get a forward stopper, then maybe you pass. If the goal is the get the best player for the future, it's really hard to see other players who will be better also around at 19. There are a couple of candidates, and I trust PATFO if they go with one of those, but really you don't pass on him just because he needs work on D.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Depends on who is there..I agree at 19 you don’t automatically pass and he’s on my top 6-7 guys I really want list (that I just posted). I was just making a specific point to FkLA about him seeing a surefire star and what the consensus is right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
It would be one thing if he had this surefire nba offensive game but the flaws on defense. Even his offense right now is not some bankable thing.
But I’m not drafting Rui over Clarke, Hayes, Sekou or PJ Washington (that one is closer) IMO
I'd add Goga and Claxton to that list... I would debate Kabengele and Bol Bol (each for different reasons of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I only have Clarke higher. If Hach had a "surefire offensive game", he'd be a top-five pick. We're not debating him vs Hunter or Barrett here. If PATFO drafted Doumbouya or Hayes or even Bazley over Rui, I would defer to their judgment. They'll be the ones developing 19, at least initially, so their opinions on whom they can improve matter more than just who has the highest ceiling in a vacuum. It's more that you can teach defense. Hachimura has the body for it. If you want a right-away defender, those will be available later in the draft or in free agency.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Sure - but a lot of what I’ve read seems to be a huge question mark on whether or not you can even teach Rui defense. That’s how tough it’s been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
But yeah, I agree mostly, was just saying that there are a lot of people that have Rui much lower as a prospect than fans do.
Rui will be long gone by 19. Unless Spurs move up, it ain't happenin’.
Clarke has really grown on me as of late, I probably have him as my #2 (and can see why others would have him as their top guy). Hayes I could also see if it was in a vacuum, but with Poetl in the picture it makes the decision much easier for me. Most of the other guys being mentioned aren't even in his class, imo. That sloth Goga for example, it's mind boggling to me that someone would take him over Rui even if we ignored the fact that Rui plays a bigger position of need.
Got dayum man, how big is that board? It’s 3 days before the draft!Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
He will be great or a bust. I think it all depends where he is drafted. I hope the Spurs get him.
Airy a guy as talented and athletic and smart as Rui, defense can be taught. The stuff he does athletically with the ball cant.
I think his defensive issues are fixable. The main thing is that he's out of position a lot and that is definitely teachable. The physical tools are there and he has proven himself on the international stage already with the national team. He has also played extremely well against Zion, so I think it's safe to say his strenghts will translate to the NBA. The question is can you fix his weaknesses
He also appears to that guy who all the Spursfans want to draft, he gets drafts before the Spurs pick, turns out to be a scrub, everyone immediately forgets they wanted to draft him.
Haven't rewatched his clips since my first viewing but he reminded me a lot of Gay. He's a 4 in today's NBA and depending on how his 3 ball shakes out, a very good one.
Vecenie at The Athletic is now hypothesizing that it was the Spurs who promised to pick Rui. I think that's a possibility.
1) Rui's favorite team is the Spurs. Wasserman, his agency, has a history of directing players to their preferred destination.
2) The Spurs heavily scouted Gonzaga this season (had scouts embedded in their practices).
3) A former scout for the Spurs and former Argentina national team coach, Julio Lamas, coached Rui on the Japan national team.
3) The promise appears to have been made before the lottery order was determined, so that tells me it was a non-lottery team that made the promise.
4) Fit-wise, Rui makes a whole lot of sense. No matter what he develops into (giant wing, scoring big, hustle big, bench spark), the Spurs don't have any young players blocking the path.
5) Rui has said he's a Pop fan and pointed to San Antonio's successful history with international players.
6) Spurs are one of the few teams that have a history of making promises.
Hmmmmm.........
*vomits