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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
TheDrewShow
LOL dude... you want to give that dumb Trey Lyles ANOTHER 5000 minutes to make up your mind?
Fuck this soft NBA mentality. Mark my words when the NBA realizes that they need to use the FARM system like the MLB and NFL use the Minors and Practice squads the better.
Some fuck mistakenly gets picked at a position called "lottery," and EVERYBODY has to give that meathead 5000 minutes plus of rope to prove that that decision wasn't WRONG.
Trey Lyles SUCKED in college, He sucked in Utah, Sucked in Denver and Now is SUCKING as a STARTER in San Antonio.
This motherfucker says.
"Oh, Luca, Metu ANY of what..400 guys... suiting up in the G League is Better than that guy who was wrongly Selected at some imaginary position 4 years ago."
STAUSKAS!!!!(rightfully out of the league)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEK_d-SFfCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgX1a_NUMFo
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
Yes the nba is terrible product
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
palangi
I swear it gets dumber and dumber in here all the time.
Dude is averaging 14 ppg and 7.3 RPGs as a 19 year old developmental rookie. And you say he isn't even a G league player.
Good hell just don't ever post again.
Cherry picking box score stats from the g league. Lol. You stans are either the extremely disingenuous or extremely stupid. I can't decide which one.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
Sugus
Since no one seems to have tackled this part of your post, and you seem dead-set on Luka "can't shoot": Pascal Siakam, the absolute role model for a modern forward that Luka ought to follow, shot 7 3PA his first season. Not even made 7 - SHOT seven. And was over 21 when drafted. Luka is already a better shooter than Siakam was as a rookie, and is younger. Obviously not every player is going to develop at the same rate, but you're seriously pulling at strings for your Luka hate here.
This is typical of the Spurs' homer logic these days. Because Pascal siakim was capable of going from a bad player to a good player, it is somehow reasonable to conclude Luka will as well. Pascal is an extreme outlier, he's not the standard, and no reasonable person would even consider raising him as an example of what we can expect from Luka given his shitty career thus far.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
Paskal was always elite, even without a shot. Luka has nothing of note to offer.
All in on Keldon at this point. Maybe we can package Luka with Forbes for a pack of skittles and a 2nd round pick.
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Originally Posted by
itzsoweezee
This is typical of the Spurs' homer logic these days. Because Pascal siakim was capable of going from a bad player to a good player, it is somehow reasonable to conclude Luka will as well. Pascal is an extreme outlier, he's not the standard, and no reasonable person would even consider raising him as an example of what we can expect from Luka given his shitty career thus far.
His career? You are crazy. He turned 20 six days ago. He's the age of a college sophomore. Are you trying to prove to everyone that you're nuts?
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
313
Paskal was always elite, even without a shot. Luka has nothing of note to offer.
All in on Keldon at this point. Maybe we can package Luka with Forbes for a pack of skittles and a 2nd round pick.
No, he was not. He was bad, very bad in his rookie year. And only a little bit better in his second year.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
itzsoweezee
Cherry picking box score stats from the g league. Lol. You stans are either the extremely disingenuous or extremely stupid. I can't decide which one.
You did it.... you posted again.
And totally proved your stupidity again.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
313
Paskal was always elite, even without a shot.
:lmao do you even bother to check the shit you're spewing out? Siakam entered the league at 22, three years older than Luka, and averaged a measly 4.2ppg, 3.4rpg, 0.3apg, on 55 fucking games played. Luka could be there already if Pop wasn't so stubborn. Siakam then averaged 7 fucking points in 80 games his second season. Since you're obviously going to say that his game went beyond boxscore stats, would you mind pointing out what things about him were "elite" coming into the league? Lol, give me a break...
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Originally Posted by
itzsoweezee
This is typical of the Spurs' homer logic these days. Because Pascal siakim was capable of going from a bad player to a good player, it is somehow reasonable to conclude Luka will as well. Pascal is an extreme outlier, he's not the standard, and no reasonable person would even consider raising him as an example of what we can expect from Luka given his shitty career thus far.
This is typical of the SpursTalk coach GMs these days. Just because another player made improvements in his game means our rookie cannot do it and is hopeless. First off, Siakam was picked below Luka, at 27th; and he showed nothing at the time that Luka hasn't shown. Luka has a (much) better shot at a younger age, is more coordinated than Siakam was (Pascal has the excuse of being a late learner of the game, but I digress), and he has not had a "shitty career" whatsoever no matter how much you want to jerk off to that delusional take.
If you're not high on Luka, or hate him even, that's completely fine and your opinion. Just try and not pose it as a fact next time, you end up coming off as very unknowledgeable or straight up hater/troll. Samanic could very well "bust" (in reality no 19th pick truly busts since more often than not they don't pan out anyways) but the signs so far suggest the opposite. Shitty career :lmao
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
Sugus
If you're not high on Luka, or hate him even, that's completely fine and your opinion. Just try and not pose it as a fact next time, you end up coming off as very unknowledgeable or straight up hater/troll. Samanic could very well "bust" (in reality no 19th pick truly busts since more often than not they don't pan out anyways) but the signs so far suggest the opposite. Shitty career :lmao
Thanks for the dose of reality.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
In college, at 20 years old, Paskal put up 13-7 on 57% then 20-11.5 on 53% shooting at 21. He had a 27 PER his freshman year, and a 31.1 PER his second year. Coming into the league, his usage was super low like Kawhi his first couple years, but he was efficient with the touches he got, still shooting 50%. He didn't have a 3 point shot right away, but he also didn't take any either, and still excelled.
Luka at 20 is putting up 13-7 on 39% shooting, and turning the ball over 3 times a game. His patented shot is good for 30% on 4 attempts per game as of today. The only bright spot so far is his rebounding.
Comparing him to Siakam makes no sense.
For the sake of our new GM, I hope he turns it around, but there's no use sugar coating the situation. The 2nd best player in the draft was there at 19(Brandon Clarke), among other better options(grant williams, thybull.. ).
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
313
In college, at 29 years old, Paskal put up 13-7 on 57% then 20-11.5 on 53% shooting at 21. He had a 27 PER his freshman year, and a 31.1 PER his second year. Coming into the league, his usage was super low like Kawhi his first couple years, but he was efficient with the touches he got, still shooting 50%. He didn't have a 3 point shot right away, but he also didn't take any either, and still excelled.
Luka at 20 is putting up 13-7 on 39% shooting, and turning the ball over 3 times a game. His patented shot is good for 30% on 4 attempts per game as of today. The only bright spot so far is his rebounding.
Comparing him to Siakam makes no sense.
For the sake of our new GM, I hope he turns it around, but there's no use sugar coating the situation. The 2nd best player in the draft was there at 19(Brandon Clarke), among other better options(grant williams, thybull.. ).
So the difference between Siakam and Luka is the efficiency with which they're getting their points? That's the entire point of your argument on how Pascal was "elite" from the get go while Luka would be barely worth a second round pick? You do know that you can improve efficiency and shot selection as part of learning the game and improving, right...?
I thought your argument would be more fun to pick apart. Believe what you will, I guess. Luka and Pascal have a lot of similarities which make a comparison sensible, like their mobility, rebounding strength and shooting touch (bad efficiency hardly means bad shooting form; take a look at Forbes for a negative example of this).
Also, I really hope that last sentence was a blunder/typo... Clarke, second best player in the entire draft? Do you happen to watch other teams beside the Spurs at all, my guy?
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
if you're drafting a player in the first round he should be good enough to play in the first season. And this guy was not the last pick, but 19th. ''But, but, the Spurs always take one year to develop the player in the G league'', yea, thats also retarded. Develop the 2nd round picks, not a fucking 19th pick, otherwise why draft him that high. And I hope the Spurs are not surprised that he aint that good, cause every guy that watched him play last year could tell you he is a 2nd round pick. The retarded FO most likely thought that cause his name is Luka he'll be good. Also don't mention that this FO is smart and that they know what they are doing, cause after that contract they gave to Caroll they look like retards. Half season gone and the 19th pick was not even close to play. Fucking pathetic.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
313
In college, at 29 years old
Wat
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
Texas_Ranger
if you're drafting a player in the first round he should be good enough to play in the first season. And this guy was not the last pick, but 19th. ''But, but, the Spurs always take one year to develop the player in the G league'', yea, thats also retarded. Develop the 2nd round picks, not a fucking 19th pick, otherwise why draft him that high. And I hope the Spurs are not surprised that he aint that good, cause every guy that watched him play last year could tell you he is a 2nd round pick. The retarded FO most likely thought that cause his name is Luka he'll be good. Also don't mention that this FO is smart and that they know what they are doing, cause after that contract they gave to Caroll they look like retards. Half season gone and the 19th pick was not even close to play. Fucking pathetic.
You mix up a lot of points that aren't really related in this comment. First off, the Spurs model of developing players in the GL has worked for many of their players, and it's currently working wonders for the Raptors, who have kind of copied the Spurs blueprint and modernized it. More and more teams will start looking at their GL teams for development and talent as they recognize what a successful model it is. Second, a 19th pick is not "high" at all and most players drafted there peak as role players, save for Kawhi-like exceptions, and it's around the area where teams take gambles on multi-year projects instead of looking for instant production, like lottery picks are expected to provide. I don't think saying the FO drafted Luka for the name is warranted or an ingenious comment especially since we know RC has been following Luka and Olimpija team for some years now.
The Carrol contract was bad, but it has nothing to do with Luka, tbh (and IMO it's on Pop for not even giving DeMarre an opportunity to showcase his talent on the court; no player is going to look their best if you put them in on garbage time every 10 games). I don't really know what you expected since this is the Spurs FO and it has brought them 20 years of success... You'd think being here since '06, you'd have grown accustomed to it, tbh.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
spurraider21
Wat
20* :tu
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
Sugus
So the difference between Siakam and Luka is the efficiency with which they're getting their points? That's the entire point of your argument on how Pascal was "elite" from the get go while Luka would be barely worth a second round pick? You do know that you can improve efficiency and shot selection as part of learning the game and improving, right...?
I thought your argument would be more fun to pick apart. Believe what you will, I guess. Luka and Pascal have a lot of similarities which make a comparison sensible, like their mobility, rebounding strength and shooting touch (bad efficiency hardly means bad shooting form; take a look at Forbes for a negative example of this).
Also, I really hope that last sentence was a blunder/typo... Clarke, second best player in the entire draft? Do you happen to watch other teams beside the Spurs at all, my guy?
You’re optimistic about our 19th pick. As a SF, how could I blame you? I just haven’t seen enough to convince me. His feel for the game is the biggest concern and probably explains a lot of his shortcomings despite his above average athleticism and handle. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong in the not so distant future, though.
Clarke is indeed the 2nd best player in the draft and is proving it so far this season.
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Clarke is shooting 64.5 percent from the field this season. He is the first rookie in NBA history ever to do so with at least eight shot attempts per game. Even lowering the parameters yields mostly centers that only dunked. Clarke's shooting all across the floor defies practically anything ever seen in NBA history, rookie or otherwise. He is already in the 90th percentile or higher league-wide in terms of efficiency in spot-up shooting, transition scoring and pick-and-roll finishing, per Synergy Sports. That last area is where Clarke is at his most dangerous, and according to one of his point guards, he is already well ahead of schedule.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
313
You’re optimistic about our 19th pick. As a SF, how could I blame you? I just haven’t seen enough to convince me. His feel for the game is the biggest concern and probably explains a lot of his shortcomings despite his above average athleticism and handle. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong in the not so distant future, though.
Clarke is indeed the 2nd best player in the draft and is proving it so far this season.
Clarke would be in the G league paying his dues.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
313
In college, at 20 years old, Paskal put up 13-7 on 57% then 20-11.5 on 53% shooting at 21. He had a 27 PER his freshman year, and a 31.1 PER his second year. Coming into the league, his usage was super low like Kawhi his first couple years, but he was efficient with the touches he got, still shooting 50%. He didn't have a 3 point shot right away, but he also didn't take any either, and still excelled.
Luka at 20 is putting up 13-7 on 39% shooting, and turning the ball over 3 times a game. His patented shot is good for 30% on 4 attempts per game as of today. The only bright spot so far is his rebounding.
Comparing him to Siakam makes no sense.
For the sake of our new GM, I hope he turns it around, but there's no use sugar coating the situation. The 2nd best player in the draft was there at 19(Brandon Clarke), among other better options(grant williams, thybull.. ).
Pascal showed nothing in his rookie year except his motor. And he surely wasn’t efficient. The Raptors fans weren’t pleased about the pick and would have sent him to hell if they could. Siakam made dumb fouls, bricked open shots and didn’t know where to go on the court. That’s why these sent him to the d-league for a while. He made some improvements there, but even when he came back he didn’t show signs to become the player he’s now.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
I don't see much of the Austin Spurs, and have only seen highlights of Luka. Seeing those highlights he looks pretty impressive as any NBA player could look great on a highlight reel. I saw him in July in Vegas up close, and thought he moved really well for his size and has some skills. I get the argument that Brandon Clarke is the better player right now which he is, but to already say that Luka is already a bad pick is beyond ridiculous tbh.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
313
You’re optimistic about our 19th pick. As a SF, how could I blame you? I just haven’t seen enough to convince me. His feel for the game is the biggest concern and probably explains a lot of his shortcomings despite his above average athleticism and handle. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong in the not so distant future, though.
Clarke is indeed the 2nd best player in the draft and is proving it so far this season.
Guys here want to pretend Clarke is a below average player to absolve their Spurs from wasting yet another pick.
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
TimDunkem
Guys here want to pretend Clarke is a below average player to absolve their Spurs from wasting yet another pick.
Who did we waste a pick on recently?
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
TimDunkem
Guys here want to pretend Clarke is a below average player to absolve their Spurs from wasting yet another pick.
Are you referring specifically to my comments on Clarke (since you quote the poster I was talking with)? There's quite a distance between saying he's not the second best draftee and saying he's a below average player. I don't support the latter statement, but defend the former. Without looking at any stats I can already tell you that Ja Morant and Tyler Herro are having better rookie seasons than Clarke, and both are 3 years younger (which is a HUGE difference and definitely something to take into account when comparing rookies' performances). But since I don't know if that was a response to that argument in particular, I won't argue further. I hardly see why you would consider Luka a "wasted pick" and have argued as such previously, but I'll hear your arguments as well :tu
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Re: Spurs Select F Luka Samanic in the 2019 NBA Draft (19th Overall)
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Originally Posted by
Texas_Ranger
if you're drafting a player in the first round he should be good enough to play in the first season. And this guy was not the last pick, but 19th. ''But, but, the Spurs always take one year to develop the player in the G league'', yea, thats also retarded. Develop the 2nd round picks, not a fucking 19th pick, otherwise why draft him that high. And I hope the Spurs are not surprised that he aint that good, cause every guy that watched him play last year could tell you he is a 2nd round pick. The retarded FO most likely thought that cause his name is Luka he'll be good. Also don't mention that this FO is smart and that they know what they are doing, cause after that contract they gave to Caroll they look like retards. Half season gone and the 19th pick was not even close to play. Fucking pathetic.
Very few first rounders are ready to play right out of the box. That died with the one and done craze. Less college coaching = more NBA development time. Kids come out not knowing how to use a pick or set one. That's basketball 101.
