Dem debate tonight

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Originally Posted by Will Hunting

All of the most recent elections show that trying to win the swing voter is massively overrated.

Romney won independents in 2012 but there were simply more Democratic voters who showed up than there were Republicans.

2004 I think was the worst. John Kerry was so focused on trying to win swing voters by being barely to the left of GWB on everything (to the point where he even said he’d vote for the Iraq War all over again) that he’s the only Democrat since 1988 to not even win the popular vote thanks to shit liberal voter turnout

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And if the base Bernie turns out isn’t enough to offset the centrists he loses, what value does the stupid shit he spouts add then?

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Originally Posted by vy65

Do those comments help? Are they necessary? Do they advance the cause of the radical restructuring you mention or do they hurt?

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They don't affect it at all. At all. They didn't help, but a bunch of the things he says don't help or hurt that cause.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Yes, but my guess is that you still don't like people grabbing your junk unless they're someone you want to do it. And I don't think that makes you a snowflake.

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Did you miss the part where Trump said they "let" him do it? (if you want to believe him literally; to me he was just saying whatever boast popped into his mind).

You drank the kool aid, bro.

Steyer had the best moment-

when he passionately brought up trumps treason in helsinki


”we were cyberfucked and trump took the side of the attackers”


good job


bernie still got this tho

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

Did you miss the part where Trump said they "let" him do it? (if you want to believe him literally; to me he was just saying whatever boast popped into his mind).

You took the kool aid, bro.

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He also said he could kill a guy and people would still love him. You don't have to tell me that he was probably kidding. The point isn't about how serious he was. It is that no one except democrats and apparently you really cared what he said.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

They don't affect it at all. At all. They didn't help, but a bunch of the things he says don't help or hurt that cause.

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And your basis for saying that is what? Your personal opinion?

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Originally Posted by hater

ma niga

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WTF. I’m sure every black mother and father listened to that and got the warm fuzzies that Bernie was going to help their sons grow up to be dope dealers. Does he just pull this shit out of his ass?

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Originally Posted by vy65

And your basis for saying that is what? Your personal opinion?

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It's as good as any.

:lmao Pocohantas wants that VP slot; but she snubbed Bernie on another handshake.
:lmao Just another "nasty woman"

So sound bites don’t matter, it’s all about what the candidate proposes as policy.

But no one reads and educates themselves about policy. They just rely on sound bites reported by the media.

Makes sense.

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Originally Posted by picnroll

WTF. I’m sure every black mother and father listened to that and got the warm fuzzies that Bernie was going to help their sons grow up to be dope dealers. Does he just pull this shit out of his ass?

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Imagine being this out of touch.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

It's as good as any.

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Nope

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Originally Posted by Chinook

He also said he could kill a guy and people would still love him. You don't have to tell me that he was probably kidding. The point isn't about how serious he was. It is that no one except democrats and apparently you really cared what he said.

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Oh, yea; the Democrats cared by giving the nomination someone who enables a high-profile sexual predator.

How stupid (snowflake) do you have to be to overlook that?

But even if you took Hillary out of the equation, people saw it for what it was, a gimmick.

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Originally Posted by vy65

Nope

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Keep telling yourself that. Hopefully, this is all just academic, but there's a legit chance 2016 happens again, and you'll be left wondering how you had all the answers and still got the biggest question wrong.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

Oh, yea; the Democrats cared by giving the nomination someone who enables a high-profile sexual predator.

How stupid (snowflake) do you have to be to overlook that?

But even if you took Hillary out of the equation, people saw it for what it was, a gimmick.

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Don't think people cared one way or the other. They didn't feel the need to vote against him or to do the mental gymnastics you're doing. They just moved on with their lives and worried about which candidate they thought would help them the most.

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Originally Posted by vy65

So sound bites don’t matter, it’s all about what the candidate proposes as policy.

But no one reads and educates themselves about policy. They just rely on sound bites reported by the media.

Makes sense.

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Who are you lampooning here?

This "debate" was horrible. Literally zero substance. Just a bunch of yelling and rambling bullshit. Trump loving it.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Keep telling yourself that. Hopefully, this is all just academic, but there's a legit chance 2016 happens again, and you'll be left wondering how you had all the answers and still got the biggest question wrong.

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Ok. Keep telling yourself Bernie doesn’t need votes to win. We’ll see how that strategy works in November

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Originally Posted by picnroll

WTF. I’m sure every black mother and father listened to that and got the warm fuzzies that Bernie was going to help their sons grow up to be dope dealers. Does he just pull this shit out of his ass?

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And yet you keep defending the guy who says the 2008 collapse happened because congress forced banks to make home loans to blacks. That's not even a center right view of the great recession, it's a hard right conspiracy theory. But Boomerberg is the one that's going to get the base out to vote. :lmao

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Don't think people cared one way or the other. They didn't feel the need to vote against him or to do the mental gymnastics you're doing. They just moved on with their lives and worried about which candidate they thought would help them the most.

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Bruh, you're the one crying that locker room talk is worse than actual documented sexual misdeeds.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Who are you lampooning here?

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Chinook.

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Originally Posted by DC23

This "debate" was horrible. Literally zero substance. Just a bunch of yelling and rambling bullshit. Trump loving it.

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That's just his game.

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Originally Posted by vy65

Ok. Keep telling yourself Bernie doesn’t need votes to win. We’ll see how that strategy works in November

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You're already conceding that it'll work all the way through the primaries, where people will disproportionately care about it more than in the general election eight months from now.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

You're already conceding that it'll work all the way through the primaries, where people will disproportionately care about it more than in the general election eight months from now.

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No, I’m saying the loud grandpa is driving away votes he needs and relying on turnout that’s orders of magnitude greater than ever before seen to win. You’re facts don’t matter. I like my odds.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

Bruh, you're the one crying that locker room talk is worse than actual documented sexual misdeeds.

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Nope. You brought up both of those terms and equated them. I said, "He described sexual assault, and no one really ended up caring." And you've gone post after post trying argue that everyone cared so much that they took time out of their lives to hash out the psychology and social norms of powerful men.