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What does Warren have to do to make a comeback from here now?
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Re: What does Warren have to do to make a comeback from here now?
porn is probably out of the question, so she's pretty much screwed regardless...
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Re: What does Warren have to do to make a comeback from here now?
What do you mean comeback?
Buttiegieg is making all sorts of headline right now but at the end of the day he's not really viable in the long term. This remains a fight between senile Biden and herself in my opinion.
I'm still confused as to how he managed to be leading in Iowa and New Hampshire by double digits out of nowhere.
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Re: What does Warren have to do to make a comeback from here now?
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Reck
What do you mean comeback?
Buttiegieg is making all sorts of headline right now but at the end of the day he's not really viable in the long term. This remains a fight between senile Biden and herself in my opinion.
I'm still confused as to how he managed to be leading in Iowa and New Hampshire by double digits out of nowhere.
She was rising hard in the polling averages and was even in first place for a while but has fallen down hard to third. Feels like an afterthought atm
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Stop being nice and start scalping opponents.
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She needs to drop the fuck out tbh. Can't stand that bitch. Rather have any of the rest win, except for maybe Yang.
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Originally Posted by
Reck
What do you mean comeback?
Buttiegieg is making all sorts of headline right now but at the end of the day he's not really viable in the long term. This remains a fight between senile Biden and herself in my opinion.
I'm still confused as to how he managed to be leading in Iowa and New Hampshire by double digits out of nowhere.
I'd much rather have Buttigieg in the thick of the race from her. If it's between Buttigieg and Warren for president, I'd take Butty, even if he enacted a federal law that all males 21+ must take it up the ass at least once a year.
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Liz and Bernie don't, never had a chance.
Voters can't beat the oligarchy, which will spend $Bs to block any and all true challenges to the rigged status quo, and Bernie and Liz directly attack the rigging.
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Was rooting for Warren who I was warming up to but she went too far left tbh. The NYT piece showing much Medicare For All would cost was bad. Explaining that medicare for all and all the taxes it would entail was stupid by her. Thats never going to pass anyway so just keep it the fairy tale that it is. Then she attacks Biden and calls him a Republican, plus her focuses on twitter is always on all these fringe issues. Like it would have killed her to be normal for two seconds.
She still has a chance to come back and would happily vote for her over Bernie for sure.
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Imo she’d be back in the mix pretty quickly if Bernie drops out early on given the overlap between the two.
Medicare for all wasn’t her problem in and of itself, her oversimplified proposal that were going to pay for it with “MOAR TAXES” was retarded and came off as I’ll-informed.
Her also continuing to cling to the Native American shit is even worse. Trump already made her look stupid on that once, she needs to let it go.
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Bernie's rose twitter followers hate Obama and Democrats so much that there is really is an opening for a progressive to go somewhat moderate at least in outward appearance and be somewhat conciliatory towards lifelong Dems. All Warren would have to do is somewhat embrace Obama but say she wants to build on his legacy even if she is being phony. Obama has like a 90% approval rating among Democrats. Meanwhile Bernie and his bros are becoming an entire generation who looks at Democrat like its a curse word
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The Obama being deporter in chief and a secret racist against Mexicans is by far the worst rose twitter horseshit. They changed the definition of deportation from the Bush years so anyone who crossed the border and was sent back was "deported" and if the only options are to be open borders completely or a guy who wants to build a wall and fucking moat are thats pretty retarded. Besides, Bernie has that Lou Dobbs anti-immigrant rant that has been floating around forever anyways so what the fuck is their point other than to demonize someone with 90% democrat approval
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Reck
I'm still confused as to how he managed to be leading in Iowa and New Hampshire by double digits out of nowhere.
I've been telling you all along that the system makes this sh** up, tranny. Come to terms already.
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AaronY
rose twitter
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AaronY
rose twitter
you can say that again
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AaronY
Besides, Bernie has that Lou Dobbs anti-immigrant rant that has been floating around forever anyways so what the fuck is their point other than to demonize someone with 90% democrat approval
:lmao Y triggered by Commie Cuck's an anti-invader "rant".
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"Her also continuing to cling to the Native American shit is even worse"
clinging? how? when?
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Tulsi>Bernie>Warren
Get over it Warren fanboys. She has no chance. Your choice will be Biden or Bernie.
AaronY, don't like Bernie? AOC? Ilhan Omar? Please do yourself a favor and go register as a Republican. Vote for Trump, our first Jewish president. Israel FIRST. America LAST.
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Bernie isn't a Democrat, so the Dem establishment will block him like they did in 2016
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spurraider21
you can say that again
What is your analysis of Warren? Didn't go leftwing enough or something?
You still a supporter
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boutons_deux
Bernie isn't a Democrat, so the Dem establishment block him like they did in 2016
How they doing this exactly?
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boutons_deux
Bernie isn't a Democrat, so the Dem establishment block him like they did in 2016
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AaronY
How they doing this exactly?
LOL Nother level
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AaronY
Was rooting for Warren who I was warming up to...She still has a chance to come back and would happily vote for her over Bernie for sure.
:lmao smh
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boutons_deux
Bernie isn't a Democrat, so the Dem establishment block him like they did in 2016
you're right! bernie's a two-faced retarded millionaire commie.
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AaronY
What is your analysis of Warren? Didn't go leftwing enough or something?
You still a supporter
still a supporter, but i have a good amount of issues with her. i think her new medicare for all plan is half baked and borderline designed to fail... "oh we'll do a public option now and then in 3 years have a new vote for m4a." i dont think congress would pass m4a anyway, but that plan is just stupid tbh
her comment at the last debate about believing more people should enlist in the military was also really odd, though her campaign tried to backtrack on that right after with clarifications
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spurraider21
still a supporter
but but but djt is a liar you can't stand... guess the only liars you can stand are all on the left. how ironic!
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koriwhat
but but but djt is a liar you can't stand... guess the only liars you can stand are all on the left. how ironic!
there are plenty of reasons to dislike trump on top of his being a pathological liar
but of course, as usual, "not trumper" koriwhat rushes into a conversation to defend trump even when trump wasn't being attacked :lol
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spurraider21
there are plenty of reasons to dislike trump on top of his being a pathological liar
but of course, as usual, "not trumper" koriwhat rushes into a conversation to defend trump even when trump wasn't being attacked :lol
who's defending djt tbh? all i see is a pussy named spurraider21 with a brittle spine who gets upset whenever the mirror is turned on them. your lame claim of trying to peg me as a trump supporter just proves how much of a weak fuck you truly are. yeah, don't acknowledge the irony because that's the way to get back at me... you're a pussy holmes. :tu
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koriwhat
who's defending djt tbh?
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koriwhat
but but but djt is a liar you can't stand... guess the only liars you can stand are all on the left. how ironic!
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Medicare for All tanked her - just like it would tank our economy should it ever be implemented.
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rmt
Medicare for All tanked her - just like it would tank our economy should it ever be implemented.
her poll numbers dipped after she hedged on M4A
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spurraider21
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you can quote all you'd like pussy but doing so doesn't prove your point and only solidifies mine... you dodge everything because you can't stand on your own convictions. you're a hack and a pussy all rolled up into one. :tu
your shtick is played out tbh.
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rmt
Medicare for All tanked her - just like it would tank our economy should it ever be implemented.
she's a dumb cunt and that's what tanked her... we all know this already so why act like it ain't so?
same with dipshit Beto, dipshit Harris, and the rest of the mentally ill candidates the left pushes.
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you reflexively jumped into the conversation to defend trump when he wasn't even part of the conversation :lol
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spurraider21
you reflexively jumped into the conversation to defend trump when he wasn't even part of the conversation :lol
no, i jumped in to show your hypocrisy but you just keep on with your stupid shtick because you're not man enough to acknowledge how 2 face you truly are.
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- conversation about warren -
"not trumper" koriwhat: BUT TRUMP!
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spurraider21
- conversation about warren -
"not trumper" koriwhat: BUT TRUMP!
i didn't say "but trump"... i gave an example of your bias of which you don't seem eager to address. instead you dodge your hypocrisy by being dishonest and making ludicrous claims no one here can even validate. yall just hate to hate which is fine but it totally exposes yall losers as just that.
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as well, if warren is running for the seat that trump currently occupies then how's it upsetting to you to bring him up? he's literally the guy they are all trying to knock off. as much as you don't like it, any conversation about presidential candidates and the office include djt at least for now.
you're just upset that warren, just like bernie, and those running for the dems aren't gaining any traction versus the one man you hate on because your false idols told you to. stay pathetic ya pussy! :tu
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spurraider21
there are plenty of reasons to dislike trump on top of his being a pathological liar
but of course, as usual, "not trumper" koriwhat rushes into a conversation to defend trump even when trump wasn't being attacked :lol
Just remember, everything that koriwhat claims to dislike or not be a part of, the opposites is true.
Just like Alex Jones, everytime he blames the Chicoms or muslims what he really means is the Zionists.
That's how you interpret these type of characters tbh.
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TheGreatYacht
Just remember, everything that
koriwhat claims to dislike or not be a part of, the opposites is true.
Just like Alex Jones, everytime he blames the Chicoms or muslims what he really means is the Zionists.
That's how you interpret these type of characters tbh.
lol the infowarrior has spoken! you're a joke TGY.
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Re: What does Warren have to do to make a comeback from here now?
This is very stupid of her if you listen to the actual questions. While mentioning the "non-aggression pact" the reporter basically asks her why people should vote for her over Bernie and she refuses to answer. She doesn't need to attack Bernie but she does need to explain why people should vote for her over Bernie and she refuses to do so.
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Quadzilla99
This is very stupid of her if you listen to the actual questions. While mentioning the "non-aggression pact" the reporter basically asks her why people should vote for her over Bernie and she refuses to answer. She doesn't need to attack Bernie but she does need to explain why people should vote for her over Bernie and she refuses to do so.
Dude STFU. Go away. Elizabeth Warren is a shill. A sellout. She back pedaled on Medicare 4 All. People are woke to her bullshit. Get over it.
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boutons_deux
Blacks were down on Hillary because Slick Willie, with Biden as veep creep, signed one of the conservatives' (aka racists) top objectives:
kicking lazy, corrupt, cheating "welfare queen in Cadillacs" knitters off welfare.
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"Biden eventually apologized this Saturday for his comments about
working with senators James Eastland (Miss.) and Herman Talmadge (Ga.), two Democrats who were staunchly opposed to civil rights and racial integration.
“Was I wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that I was praising those men who I successfully opposed time and again? Yes, I was. I regret it,” he said.
“And I’m sorry for any of the pain or misconception they may have caused anybody.”
But his continued view that critics are trying to “weaponize” his record and use it against him suggests that
Biden might still not quite understand that he is not the victim here — it is black people on the receiving end of the policies."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/10/team-biden-keeps-insisting-he-isnt-racist-its-defense-that-misses-point/
This is an Elizabeth Warren thread.
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Re: What does Warren have to do to make a comeback from here now?
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Quadzilla99
This is very stupid of her if you listen to the actual questions. While mentioning the "non-aggression pact" the reporter basically asks her why people should vote for her over Bernie and she refuses to answer. She doesn't need to attack Bernie but she does need to explain why people should vote for her over Bernie and she refuses to do so.
Anything she said Bernie supporters would twist into an attack on Bernie. Lets be honest here. She could say she has more experience dealing with banks and they would go "Warren says Bernie doesnt know anything about banks"
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Isitjustme?
Anything she said Bernie supporters would twist into an attack on Bernie. Lets be honest here. She could say she has more experience dealing with banks and they would go "Warren says Bernie doesnt know anything about banks"
oh boo hoo. Wtf is the point of her campaign if she can't point out any differences between her and Bernie?
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boutons_deux
rambling bullshit
boutons why should someone vote for Warren over Bernie?
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Quadzilla99
boutons why should someone vote for Warren over Bernie?
I think she's a lot smarter, more eloquent, more convincing. She designed the CPFB. I don't if Bernie has ever built anything
They are both progressive so the neoliberal/corporatist/BigDollar DNC will not help them, do everything to stop them.
eg, apparently Obama, the leader of Dem party, is vehemently against Bernie
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama...b00149f724793b
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boutons_deux
I think she's a lot smarter, more eloquent, more convincing. She designed the CPFB. I don't if Bernie has ever built anything
They are both progressive so the neoliberal/corporatist/BigDollar DNC will not help them, do everything to stop them.
eg, apparently Obama, the leader of Dem party, is vehemently against Bernie
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama...b00149f724793b
Thank you for the first part. The second part sounds like some kind of leftist fever dream paranoid fantasy. Even if you accept the false premise that Obama is a horrible person he is way too concerned with his legacy to attack Bernie and all his young supporters directly.
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It's also worth noting that when you say and attribute something to "unnamed close advisor" you could make up anything you want.
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Quadzilla99
Even if you accept the false premise that Obama is a horrible person he is way too concerned with his legacy to attack Bernie and all his young supporters directly.
not my premise
What Obama said was not public, and he will "block" Liz and Bernie by supporting/campaigning for his veep and good friend Biden, along with the rest of the Dem establishment, much of which will be "behind doors" as was Dems trashing of Bernie in 2016.
"leftist fever dream paranoid fantasy" ? :lol G F Y
btw, Pelosi/DNC has already announced months ago that anybody working to unseat Dem incumbents will be blackballed. no paranoia needed
and Biden, for the Dem establishment, is as good as an "incumbent"
iow, they want no more progressive AOCs and The Squad. AOC knocked about a longtime old crusty Dem pillar.
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If you consider the possibility that Warren won't win the presidency (highly probable imo), she will have to work with these people she's campaigning against again. If she does win, she will need their support. Besides, I don't see anything wrong with what she said in the video. She said what she's for. Why differentiate? If voters care to know the differences, they can find out what Bernie is for and compare notes. What you're suggesting is for lazy voters. Bernie's base isn't moving.
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boutons_deux
btw, Pelosi/DNC has already announced months ago that anybody working to unseat Dem incumbents will be blackballed. no paranoia needed
They are supporting incumbents only. Its not the DNC's job to help primary Democrats. Their money would go to AOC too since she's an incumbent. You guys are so desperate to blame Obama, Pelosi, DNC for everything I half expect you to support those people who protested Schumer and Pelosi after Trump killed Soleimani
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DMC
If you consider the possibility that Warren won't win the presidency (highly probable imo), she will have to work with these people she's campaigning against again. If she does win, she will need their support. Besides, I don't see anything wrong with what she said in the video. She said what she's for. Why differentiate? If voters care to know the differences, they can find out what Bernie is for and compare notes. What you're suggesting is for lazy voters. Bernie's base isn't moving.
She'll attack other people directly (wine cave pete), Biden, and has done so ad nauseum but she wont even state "this is why you should pick me over Bernie" as she appears to be scared to. If people twist it as an attack thats just life but can't expect her to have any separation whatsoever to have any separation from Bernie if she won't differentiate herself. She is just 100% playing to lose at this point
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Quadzilla99
She'll attack other people directly (wine cave pete), Biden, and has done so ad nauseum but she wont even state "this is why you should pick me over Bernie" as she appears to be scared to. If people twist it as an attack thats just life but can't expect her to have any separation whatsoever to have any separation from Bernie if she won't differentiate herself. She is just 100% playing to lose at this point
IF Warren ends up being the lone survivor to go H2H against Trump, she'll need Bernie's supporters. If she attacks him now, even if Bernie comes out in support of her later, she could lose a good portion of his base to either non-votes or some pointless independent.
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Quadzilla99
She'll attack other people directly (wine cave pete), Biden, and has done so ad nauseum but she wont even state "this is why you should pick me over Bernie" as she appears to be scared to. If people twist it as an attack thats just life but can't expect her to have any separation whatsoever to have any separation from Bernie if she won't differentiate herself. She is just 100% playing to lose at this point
There is no way whatsoever for her to say single thing about her being better than Bernie that Bernie supporters would not take as a smear no matter how innocuous it is. This is a very fragile group of people who think the whole world is against them.
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DMC
IF Warren ends up being the lone survivor to go H2H against Trump, she'll need Bernie's supporters. If she attacks him now, even if Bernie comes out in support of her later, she could lose a good portion of his base to either non-votes or some pointless independent.
I really can't believe we could live in a country so fragile we couldnt stand it if she said "here are 5 reasons to vote for me over Bernie" and it wouldn't be taken as some kind of vile attack. She's running for president and she has to make her case.
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Quadzilla99
I really can't believe we could live in a country so fragile we couldnt stand it if she said "here are 5 reasons to vote for me over Bernie" and it wouldn't be taken as some kind of vile attack. She's running for president and she has to make her case.
It's not what she says but how the MSM spins it and she's being asked by the MSM to drop a list right on the spot. Does her website have anything? Why select Bernie in particular?
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DMC
It's not what she says but how the MSM spins it and she's being asked by the MSM to drop a list right on the spot. Does her website have anything? Why select Bernie in particular?
They are going for the same voters mostly. Her platform is very similar so to me it would seem she needs to make a case for why her and not Bernie.
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Warren is probably my pick but its a little frustrating when she won't make a case for herself when asked directly. Meanwhile she will lob bombs at others such as Pete even though have similar voters (both poll well among college grads) etc. Maybe she is afraid of Bernie's supporters
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adversarial competition, cheap shots, politics of personal destruction, it's all the American Way.
Rugged Individualism, frontiersman loner, all mythical bullshit
common cause, solidarity are trashed as "socialistic".
Capitalism ethics is paranoid, predatory, selfish dog-eat-dog, as each is supposedly guided by The Invisible Hand of the Perfectly Free Market to seek satisfaction and wealth no matter the cost.
The "debates", along with FOUR FUCKING YEARS of ETERNAL CAMPAIGNING, are silly silly bullshit, point scoring bullshit.
Is that what voters want to see?
"Maybe something else SUCKS around here" -- Carlin
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Quadzilla99
They are going for the same voters mostly. Her platform is very similar so to me it would seem she needs to make a case for why her and not Bernie.
I understand your stance, but I just think they have plans that include each other's bases and/or each other. Either way, they won't beat Trump. I think Biden will be the dem candidate to face Trump, and Trump will beat him most likely. It's really hard to tell though, crazy shit seems to happen.
In-fighting just airs the dirty laundry of the entire group. The Dems' only hope it to show solidarity and direction. Right now no one in the party seems to have a firm grasp on what direction they can go, although some "grass roots" bullshit keeps getting mentioned since it's the liberal buzzword that seems to get the most love.
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Warren does not attack Bernie Sanders cuz she has more dead bodies in her closet :lol
Bernie is the closest thing to the second coming of Jesus Christ. Just the take the "L" op, fall in line and support Bernie :tu
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DMC
IF Warren ends up being the lone survivor to go H2H against Trump, she'll need Bernie's supporters. If she attacks him now, even if Bernie comes out in support of her later, she could lose a good portion of his base to either non-votes or some pointless independent.
Hillary attacked Bernie a lot in 2016 (and DNC was actively working against him) but Bernie bros still overwhelmingly voted for hillary come the general election (more than Clinton primary voters did for Obama)
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spurraider21
Hillary attacked Bernie a lot in 2016 (and DNC was actively working against him) but Bernie bros still overwhelmingly voted for hillary come the general election (more than Clinton primary voters did for Obama)
Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election.
Specifically, if the Sanders-Trump voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania had voted for Clinton, or even stayed home on Election Day, those states would have swung to Clinton, and she would have won 46 more electoral votes, putting her at 278 — enough to win, in other words.
https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/54581...p-survey-finds
So "overwhelmingly" isn't good enough. We'd expect Dem voters to overwhelming vote for the other Dem instead of the GOP candidate. But Hillary lost 12% of those votes, and to make matters worse for the Dems, Trump gained them. So the gap became the same size as 24% of Bernie's voter base. That's not unsubstantial and doesn't even speak to the non-votes.
If Warren goes on the attack against Bernie, he goes on the attack against her. The shit his campaign said about Hillary and the Clintons was repeated by Trump. Warren doesn't want to give Trump any ammo. I understand her reticence, but it might not be the best strategy. Even explaining their differences says Bernie is wrong. Then comes the question to Bernie citing quotes from Warren, taken perhaps out of context. Bernie responds and it becomes a battle. Biden benefits from that but then so does Trump because the issues that come to light are still Democratic party issues.
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Lil commie boutons taking a break from bashing and shitting on every Democrat in history to preach party unity
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boutons_deux
adversarial competition, cheap shots, politics of personal destruction, it's all the American Way.
Rugged Individualism, frontiersman loner, all mythical bullshit
common cause, solidarity are trashed as "socialistic".
Capitalism ethics is paranoid, predatory, selfish dog-eat-dog, as each is supposedly guided by The Invisible Hand of the Perfectly Free Market to seek satisfaction and wealth no matter the cost.
The "debates", along with FOUR FUCKING YEARS of ETERNAL CAMPAIGNING, are silly silly bullshit, point scoring bullshit.
Is that what voters want to see?
"Maybe something else SUCKS around here" -- Carlin
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TheGreatYacht
Warren does not attack Bernie Sanders cuz she has more dead bodies in her closet :lol
Bernie is the closest thing to the second coming of Jesus Christ. Just the take the "L" op, fall in line and support Bernie :tu
:lol Bernie bro’s arent really that different than Trumptards when it comes to the worshipping game. You people have serious problems. :lol God sent us Trump :lol Bernie is like Jesus he suffered a heart attack just for us sinners. :cry
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I'm going to bore you with this scenario one more time, and I wish someone would argue the point.
All of the Democrats presently running for President are just wasting time, money, and shoe leather. Hillary Clinton is the de facto Democrat nominee for President. By not stating her intention she bypasses all debates and primary elections (displaying political savvy). She will announce her candidacy at the DNC national convention in July, where she will be nominated by acclamation on the first ballot
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ducks
I'm going to bore you with this scenario one more time, and I wish someone would argue the point.
All of the Democrats presently running for President are just wasting time, money, and shoe leather. Hillary Clinton is the de facto Democrat nominee for President. By not stating her intention she bypasses all debates and primary elections (displaying political savvy). She will announce her candidacy at the DNC national convention in July, where she will be nominated by acclamation on the first ballot
Nope. She has waited too long. Hillary isn't happening. Warren isn't hitting Bernie because she is now running for Bernies VP. they can join hands at the convention and beat Biden and Bloomberg individually.
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Liz's first time thru
If she's smart enough and good campaign staff, she has plenty of time
Way too progressive for the DNC, but, unlike Bernie, at least she's an official Dem.
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boutons_deux
Liz's first time thru
If she's smart enough and good campaign staff, she has plenty of time
Way too progressive for the DNC, but, unlike Bernie, at least she's an official Dem.
We shouldn't want any "official" Democrat or Republican. "Official" means they're part of the Zionist war mongering club.
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UZER
Stop being nice and start scalping opponents.
Shouldn't be hard with her background.
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Quadzilla99
Fake news :lol
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TheGreatYacht
Fake news :lol
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DMC
Bernie has a point
Honestly I want her to hit back at Sanders but more by marking out differences between her and him on policies and demeanor rather than attacks so this is not great. But really she has to do something at this point she's 70 years old and in some of the first 4 states she is not even polling at the 15% cutoff for delegates if I understand it right. She can't sit around and watch this opportunity pass her by since she is still within striking distance of the leaders
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what Trash, Repugs, and hate media are doing and will do is try start a fight between Bernie and Liz, hurting each other.
Are the smart enough not to take the bait?
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The DNC is going to screw her and Bernie. What do you think about this suggestion that Nancy is holding on to the articles of impeachment so that when she does transmit them both Bernie and Warren will be in the Senate while Biden is campaigning?
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Quadzilla99
Honestly I want her to hit back at Sanders but more by marking out differences between her and him on policies and demeanor rather than attacks so this is not great. But really she has to do something at this point she's 70 years old and in some of the first 4 states she is not even polling at the 15% cutoff for delegates if I understand it right. She can't sit around and watch this opportunity pass her by since she is still within striking distance of the leaders
My man she would get demolished by Bernie. She would be exposed even more. If you look at her track record in foreign policy Elizabeth Warren is another war monger.
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DMC
The DNC is going to screw her and Bernie. What do you think about this suggestion that Nancy is holding on to the articles of impeachment so that when she does transmit them both Bernie and Warren will be in the Senate while Biden is campaigning?
Good point. Hadn't thought of that :tu
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boutons_deux
what Trash, Repugs, and hate media are doing and will do is try start a fight between Bernie and Liz, hurting each other.
Are the smart enough not to take the bait?
Bernie has done shit behind the scenes and his speechwriter Sirota and his press secretary Briahna Joy always bash her. The script was the last straw
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DMC
The DNC is going to screw her and Bernie. What do you think about this suggestion that Nancy is holding on to the articles of impeachment so that when she does transmit them both Bernie and Warren will be in the Senate while Biden is campaigning?
I don't pay attention to the Pelosi stuff. Progressives blame Pelosi for everything. They are just mad they don't have a progressive running the House honestly. I mean them protesting her house after Trump killed Soleimani shows how unserious and desperate a lot of these people are
I am not happy it is going down this way. I would prefer her to list 5 reasons she is better than Bernie or something. She has a much, much better legislative resume for instance. I mean Bernie named a few post offices and she created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau for crying out loud
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Quadzilla99
CNN publishing #MePoo hit piece. lol
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Quadzilla99
Honestly I want her to hit back at Sanders but more by marking out differences between her and him on policies and demeanor rather than attacks so this is not great. But really she has to do something at this point she's 70 years old and in some of the first 4 states she is not even polling at the 15% cutoff for delegates if I understand it right. She can't sit around and watch this opportunity pass her by since she is still within striking distance of the leaders
It's not because of her age that she isn't polling well. It's that she's a bad candidate that won't get any votes due to her idiotic policies.
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phxspurfan
It's not because of her age that she isn't polling well. It's that she's a bad candidate that won't get any votes due to her idiotic policies.
Well Bernie has mostly the same policies. I mentioned her age just because its kind of do or die for her at this point she can't wait around around for more and more elections. She's only 2-3 points behind Bernie in the polling averages so she isn't doing that bad.
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only to siphon votes from hillary :stirpot:
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All of this just reeks of selfishness from Bernie. If he were truly interested in getting his agenda rather than simply winning he’d be as supportive as possible of Warren as the next best choice.
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Quadzilla99
Well Bernie has mostly the same policies. I mentioned her age just because its kind of do or die for her at this point she can't wait around around for more and more elections. She's only 2-3 points behind Bernie in the polling averages so she isn't doing that bad.
This is one of the reasons she’s a no go. At the very least she has to come out and say yeah he told me that to my face or not, that story is entirely made up.
Her decision making is...lacking.
Or maybe she knows it’s untrue but wants to benefit from the negative news Bernie is getting over it.
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Quadzilla99
Well Bernie has mostly the same policies. I mentioned her age just because its kind of do or die for her at this point she can't wait around around for more and more elections. She's only 2-3 points behind Bernie in the polling averages so she isn't doing that bad.
she's made several blunders on the trail so far, tbh...
first she was very dodgy on questions about taxes as they pertain to medicare for all. bernie always came out and said, yeah, taxes will go up, but because you'll be saving more on healthcare, cost will go down.
warren would just say "that question is a republican talking point, and all i'll say is cost will go down." she then later released her actual plan to pay for it, which did not raise taxes on the middle class (though i dont know if her plan is as realistic as bernie's). she either should have had that out sooner, or she should have just addressed the tax question head on from the get-go, saying that her plan will not include taxes on the middle class.
then she had the weird multi-step medicare for all plan, where she wants a public option first (and an expansion of medicare), and then "three years later we will vote for medicare for all"... like dude, you're not going to have enough political capital to pass 2 giant healthcare bills. you never know what can happen in midterms, or if congress will just try to stall you out until the next general election
and yes she's been very coy about contrasting herself from sanders.
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Here's establishment media trashing Bernie
CNN’s Sanders Hit Piece Is a Journalistic Outrage
CNN (1/13/19) has an anonymously sourced hit piece out today on Bernie Sanders, claiming that at a meeting in Elizabeth Warren’s home
on December 18, 2018, he told her “a woman can’t win” the presidency.
The article, by CNN correspondent MJ Lee, is so journalistically shoddy that someone reading only the first few paragraphs would end up believing that it is a fact that the current top-polling candidate for the February 3 Iowa Caucus actually said that.
Never is Sanders’ “quote” prefaced with the term “allegedly.”
None of the four anonymous staffers/friends making the charge of Sanders sexism
were actually witnesses who were apparently in the room that day.
Two, according to Lee, spoke to Warren “shortly after” that meeting.
The other two “sources” were described only as people who “knew about the meeting.”
Sanders issued a blistering denial to CNN, saying,
“It is ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn’t win.”
So far, Warren has not commented on the story, either to confirm or deny it.
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/cnns-sanders-hit-piece-is-a-journalistic-outrage/
So now we wait to hear from Warren
Or will she let CNN do its dirty work?
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spurraider21
she's made several blunders on the trail so far, tbh...
first she was very dodgy on questions about taxes as they pertain to medicare for all. bernie always came out and said, yeah, taxes will go up, but because you'll be saving more on healthcare, cost will go down.
warren would just say "that question is a republican talking point, and all i'll say is cost will go down." she then later released her actual plan to pay for it, which did not raise taxes on the middle class (though i dont know if her plan is as realistic as bernie's). she either should have had that out sooner, or she should have just addressed the tax question head on from the get-go, saying that her plan will not include taxes on the middle class.
then she had the weird multi-step medicare for all plan, where she wants a public option first (and an expansion of medicare), and then "three years later we will vote for medicare for all"... like dude, you're not going to have enough political capital to pass 2 giant healthcare bills. you never know what can happen in midterms, or if congress will just try to stall you out until the next general election
and yes she's been very coy about contrasting herself from sanders.
Well unless you get rid of the filibuster which a lot of senators are against doing you can't pass m4all realistically even if you get the senate but you can get public option with 51 votes through reconciliation in the Senate since Pelosi/Obama already passed it on the house. With Public option passed fully finally people could transition over to it and if they like it m4all would be more palatable down the road. M4all is a pipe dream at this point since some moderate senators already came out against it.
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Quadzilla99
Well unless you get rid of the filibuster which a lot of senators are against doing you can't pass m4all realistically even if you get the senate but you can get public option with 51 votes through reconciliation in the Senate since Pelosi/Obama already passed it on the house. With Public option passed fully finally people could transition over to it and if they like it m4all would be more palatable down the road. M4all is a pipe dream at this point since some moderate senators already came out against it.
thats...
a good point
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This thing in the mailer about Warren having the most loyal followers is true at least if this poll is really is an indication
Of course I would look at it as a positive not a negative lol.
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In May last year she mentioned this:
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i dont understand the concept of a woman being unelectable when last election with fucking hillary came within 100k votes or so in a few key states
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spurraider21
i dont understand the concept of a woman being unelectable when last election with fucking hillary came within 100k votes or so in a few key states
It's out now:
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Quadzilla99
:lol Boots in here.
Now both Warren and Bernie look silly. Him denying he said it and Warren declining to comment just to backtrack and release a statement later.
Biden is smoking one out tonight. :lol
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Reck
:lol Boots in here.
Now both Warren and Bernie look silly. Him denying he said it and Warren declining to comment just to backtrack and release a statement later.
Biden is smoking one out tonight. :lol
theres no issue with her wanting to put out her own thought-out release instead of giving a comment for another reporter to put in a story.
bernie comes out looking bad tbh... but warren with the "yes he said that but i want to keep it private" :lol... thats like the "no offense, but..." stuff
