Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

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Trump Weighs Easing Stay-at-Home Advice to Curb Economic Rout

From Bloomberg
President Donald Trump began talking privately late last week about reopening the nation, despite the swiftly rising number of coronavirus cases and against the advice of health professionals, because he’s worried about the economic damage from an extended shutdown, according to people familiar with his thinking.

The shortage of testing kits has made it difficult to assess the full spread of the virus, but Trump and a contingent of his aides, including Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, want to ensure that the economic damage from a nationwide “social distancing” campaign doesn’t outweigh the potential toll from the virus itself, the people said.

“WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!” Trump tweeted late Sunday.

The president started talking about how to get people back to work around Thursday, two of the people said, only three days after he helped roll out a 15-day plan from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to stem the rise of cases by encouraging most people to stay at home. That campaign would end about March 31.

The discussions centered on what to do after the 15-day period ends, and how to test and isolate everyone who’s sick so healthy people can return to work. It’s likely the CDC guidelines would be relaxed rather than scrapped altogether, one person said.

The government’s top health authorities have warned that in the absence of any viable medical treatment, sustained and economically painful restrictions on daily life are the only way to beat the virus. This group is led by Deborah Birx, the State Department doctor tapped to advise Vice President Mike Pence on the government’s response to the outbreak, and Anthony Fauci, the influential director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

The economy is reeling as cases rise and the death toll mounts. Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard predicted the U.S. unemployment rate may hit 30% in the second quarter, along with a 50% drop in gross domestic product. Morgan Stanley said Sunday it expects the U.S. economy to plummet 30% in the second quarter.

There had been more than 35,000 cases of the disease in the U.S. by Monday and more than 400 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Social distancing didn’t begin with Trump’s guidelines and won’t necessarily end if he lifts them, as governors and municipal leaders have the power to issue “shelter in place” and other orders limiting daily life in virus-ravaged parts of the country. But the president has considerable power to influence Americans’ behavior by the tone he sets at what has become daily, televised White House news conferences.

“We’ll get a pretty good idea what we’re doing” at the end of his “15 Days to Slow the Spread” campaign on March 31, Trump said Sunday. “You know there will be a point at which we say: ‘We’re back in business, let’s go.”

Some of the debate over how rapidly Americans should return to work is beginning to play out in public.

Former Goldman Sachs Inc. Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Blankfein said in a tweet Sunday night that “within a very few weeks” people at “lower risk to the disease” should return to work.
“Is it time to start discussing the need for a date when the economy can turn back on?” Trump’s former economic adviser, Gary Cohn, tweeted on Sunday. “Businesses need clarity. Otherwise they will assume the worst and make decisions to survive.”

But another former senior aide to Trump, Steve Bannon, said the president should take even stronger measures to limit Americans’ social interactions over the next two weeks in order to snuff out the virus -- or risk irreversible economic damage.

“We’re going to have to take the pain up-front. We’re going to have to shut it all down,” Bannon said on Fox News on Sunday. “Drop the hammer today on the virus.”

Trump said Sunday he’d seen both comments. “They are not mutually exclusive, they sort of inter-mesh,” he said of Cohn and Bannon. Bannon wants “just a brutal shutdown, and then open up a little bit faster. So you know, there’s that fine line.”

Late Sunday and into Monday morning Trump began retweeting supporters expressing exasperation with social distancing efforts.

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Where did you get this from? Link?

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Originally Posted by hater

if?? :lol the economy has already collapsed :lmao

its wartime. time to survive. well worry about the economy later

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I'm not talking about stock prices. I'm talking about daily goods and services. I'm already seeing it in business. Got an email from GM that my 2019 truck had a "serious" problem they had detected remotely and to go to my dealer within 7 days. Went in and it turned out to be a fuel flow sensor. The problem? The sensor is made in China and they aren't making them anymore because of covid19. GM doesn't have them and has no idea when they will get them. Dealer said "as long as your truck is working OK, keep driving it'. What happens next time when it makes the truck quit working? The truck is just an analogy. Our whole world supply chain is interconnected.

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Originally Posted by Reck

Where did you get this from? Link?

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Bloomberg article behind a paywall. Have a subscription and C/P it.
Bloomberg has quite a few good articles but unfortunately have kept paywall up on everything. Subscription’s pretty cheap though relative to a lot of them. Michael has to recoup his loses.

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I'm not talking about stock prices. I'm talking about daily goods and services. I'm already seeing it in business. Got an email from GM that my 2019 truck had a "serious" problem they had detected remotely and to go to my dealer within 7 days. Went in and it turned out to be a fuel flow sensor. The problem? The sensor is made in China and they aren't making them anymore because of covid19. GM doesn't have them and has no idea when they will get them. Dealer said "as long as your truck is working OK, keep driving it'. What happens next time when it makes the truck quit working? The truck is just an analogy. Our whole world supply chain is interconnected.

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your example is another proof the economy has already collapsed

Welcome to uncharted waters.

Cure worse than the cause...
We are sure about this?

Overreacting is now not preferable.

I am inclined to think this outburst has its roots in the inability of Congress to pass wartime economic measures.
Yet again, leading by dividing does not work in these types of situations.
It can get you elected, but when you continually present the us against them method, good luck actually leading an ENTIRE country.

The blue team is obviously concerned that large companies are going to use this to enrich the CEOs and their shareholders. The legislation gave Trump the power to decide which private companies get 500 billion. Trump was asked if he would use it for his own companies. No comment. Why would you trust him. Congress needs to decide who gets the hurt industry money and how it is used. This is supposed to be a stimulus, not a bank robbery. The distrust after 2008 in which many got themselves rich lingers. Especially with all the transparency this fck up of a president gives us.

Yet Another study indicates the worst outbreaks of Covid in areas with colder dry(relative humidity) weather. This coincides with studies that suggests cold dry climates lead to respiratory viral problems because airways are easier to infect when cells are not well covered with the natural mucus layer that removes all the crap we get in our airwaves including viruses.

Suggestion: This might get better with seasonal change.

Im just throwing this stuff out there, we can hope. Many other viruses follow this pattern as we know(cold and flu season)

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

There's a difference between wrecking an economy and allowing tens of thousands of your own citizens to die. Economies can be rebuilt, the dead can't be revived.

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In Capitalism, there is no other calculation but amassing more Capital. Humans and environment are not in that calculation.

The Theory of Firm says exactly that.

We are hearing the Capitalists (of BigFinance) who have have taking 95% of all growth of wealth since THEIR Banksters Great Depression, whining, moaning, bitching, complaining about their loss in their 95% slice of the GROWTH of their wealth due to the pandemic.

They simply don't care if Labor sickens and dies from ending social distancing too soon, weeks maybe months too soon.

They really don't care if the vulnerable 65+ year olds die by the 100Ks, purged, since those people are not producing wealth for their Capital.

They will also threaten people back to work by threatening to evict tenants and repossessing cars, homes, etc for non-payment.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Never bet against America.

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Trump - standing next to Putin in Helsinki: “Intel says it was russia- I believe Putin and i side with russia.

Darrin: “ready to swallow- boss!”

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Governments make cuts as well to maximize profits of their own to spend on other bullshit to buy votes. Why no mention of South Korea? 11 beds per every person, despite them being a healthier country overall. We have 2.8 beds per person.

Or are those trillions that could have been used to build hospitals, train medical personnel, and buy supplies better spent on F35s and nation building in Iraq?

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Well I'm sure South Korea thanks us for spending those trillions on defense so they could use their money to build 11 beds per person.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

Well I'm sure South Korea thanks us for spending those trillions on defense so they could use their money to build 11 beds per person.

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Plus SK has been living under the shadow of NK's massive artillery trained on them. They probably anticipated those beds being used in a war type situation.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

Well I'm sure South Korea thanks us for spending those trillions on defense so they could use their money to build 11 beds per person.

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Trillions sounds a little high tbh.

My prediction, within a week loan kiter in chief is going to hold a press conference announcing people should be able to go back to work in a week or two. Fauci loses his shit and is fired on national TV.

Moscow mitch on the floor GASLIGHTING america- rt now


Schumer better go up there and expose exactly what mitch and the criminal president inserted in the bill - 500 billion of free money for trump and his criminal family

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Originally Posted by picnroll

My prediction, within a week loan kiter in chief is going to hold a press conference announcing people should be able to go back to work in a week or two. Fauci loses his shit and is fired on national TV.

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I expect Fauci to be fired from Trash / Pence TV bullshit shows, and later, quietly transferred or fired completely

The turtle on tv with the crocodile tears.

:cry pls give my rich pals all the money

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Originally Posted by picnroll

My prediction, within a week loan kiter in chief is going to hold a press conference announcing people should be able to go back to work in a week or two. Fauci loses his shit and is fired on national TV.

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yup - good one

i also predict cult sheeple will actually drink trumps poison obediently!

MAGA! Finally!

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Originally Posted by Reck

The turtle on tv with the crocodile tears.

:cry pls give my rich pals all the money

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McConnell is pure fucking evil.

Coronavirus pandemic is accelerating as cases eclipse 350,000, WHO says
PUBLISHED MON, MAR 23 202012:03 PM EDTUPDATED MOMENTS AGO
Berkeley Lovelace Jr.
@BERKELEYJR
Noah Higgins-Dunn
@HIGGINSDUNN
William Feuer
@WILLFOIA
GP: Coronavirus World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus
World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus gestures during a daily press briefing on COVID-19 virus at the WHO headquaters on March 2, 2020 in Geneva.
Fabrice Coffrini | AFP | Getty Images
The coronavirus pandemic that’s spread to nearly every country in the world is picking up pace, the World Health Organization said Monday, as global cases eclipsed 350,000 and deaths soared past 15,000.

“The pandemic is accelerating,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a press briefing from the organization’s Geneva headquarters. “It took 67 days from the first reported case to reach 100,000 cases, 11 days for second 100,000 cases, and just four days for the third 100,000 cases.”


Tedros said he’ll be asking the G20, the international group of government and central bank leaders, to ramp up production of personal protective equipment for doctors and nurses and to avoid placing export bans on the life-saving gear.

“We need unity among the G20 countries who have more than 80% of the global GDP,” he said. “If we don’t prioritize protecting health workers, many people will die because the health worker who could have saved their lives is sick.”

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We can still meet up. Should I bring a condom?

My abdominal pain was horrendous yesterday, but under control yet still there today, especially when I get near the end of the 8 hours in between 1000mg of acetomenophin I take 3x day. I got up to 100.8 yesterday but have stayed below 100 today. Don't feel there's much chance I'll need to go to the ER today at least.

So do you have to be in really bad shape to get a Corona test still?

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You still alive bb?

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

Well I'm sure South Korea thanks us for spending those trillions on defense so they could use their money to build 11 beds per person.

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Don't disagree with that. It's probably not going to happen, but "pandemic response" or disease response in general needs to become a part of "national defense." Our yearly defense budget is around 1 trillion. Now instead of that 1 trillion going completely toward researching and building planes, bombs, and other crap to fight goat farmers with AK47s, half that needs to be allotted to building up hospitals and funding research into this area. This shit has screwed us up more than any Muslim terrorist attack or Cold War pissing match ever did. It can never, ever happen again. This will not be the last pandemic. And what if next time, something like a MERS-2 (in the family of coronaviruses) gets out with its 10 percent mortality rate?

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Coronavirus pandemic is accelerating as cases eclipse 350,000, WHO says
PUBLISHED MON, MAR 23 202012:03 PM EDTUPDATED MOMENTS AGO
Berkeley Lovelace Jr.
@BERKELEYJR
Noah Higgins-Dunn
@HIGGINSDUNN
William Feuer
@WILLFOIA
GP: Coronavirus World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus
World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus gestures during a daily press briefing on COVID-19 virus at the WHO headquaters on March 2, 2020 in Geneva.
Fabrice Coffrini | AFP | Getty Images
The coronavirus pandemic that’s spread to nearly every country in the world is picking up pace, the World Health Organization said Monday, as global cases eclipsed 350,000 and deaths soared past 15,000.

“The pandemic is accelerating,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a press briefing from the organization’s Geneva headquarters. “It took 67 days from the first reported case to reach 100,000 cases, 11 days for second 100,000 cases, and just four days for the third 100,000 cases.”


Tedros said he’ll be asking the G20, the international group of government and central bank leaders, to ramp up production of personal protective equipment for doctors and nurses and to avoid placing export bans on the life-saving gear.

“We need unity among the G20 countries who have more than 80% of the global GDP,” he said. “If we don’t prioritize protecting health workers, many people will die because the health worker who could have saved their lives is sick.”

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Sure, because testing is accelerating. We also need to examine how it's accelerating on a percentage basis day over day rather than the simple metric of "50,000 new cases confirmed!"

Schumer not taking the bait, saying there will be a deal - but there must be oversight on the money.

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Originally Posted by Spurs Homer

Schumer not taking the bait, saying there will be a deal - but there must be oversight on the money.

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You would think these so-called fiscally conservative Republicans would sympathize, but they'll never pass up a chance to enrich their donors while simultaneously shitting on Democrats.

Keep doing your thing, MAGAts

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

You still alive bb?

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まだ死んだことがないんです。

Actually feel ok today. First time I have been able to really sit up like a normal person these last three days. It feels amazing to not be stuck lying in bed.