Re: Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
And if China doesn't change?
They won't because the world is too reliant upon them. The world could in theory threaten to cut off trade with them until they agree to become a transparent democracy, but again, won't happen because multinational corporations put profits before integrity. And the proverbial "consumer" will keep lapping up the cheap shit that comes from their factories.
03-29-2020
midnightpulp
Re: Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions
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wake me up when US starts selling ventilators to other countries
:madrun: leave China alone :madrun:
03-29-2020
ChumpDumper
Re: Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
They won't because the world is too reliant upon them. The world could in theory threaten to cut off trade with them until they agree to become a transparent democracy, but again, won't happen because multinational corporations put profits before integrity. And the proverbial "consumer" will keep lapping up the cheap shit that comes from their factories.
Then it's up to us to do things and not worry about China.
03-29-2020
hater
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detroit could become US ground zero in 2 weeks
03-29-2020
hater
Re: Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Then it's up to us to do things and not worry about China.
:tu
americans always like to blame someone else when we should have been more prepared and should face the storm head on
not sure why so many americans like to bitch and moan
its pityful
03-29-2020
MannyIsGod
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Rural America is definitely going to be impacted less. The amount of people you can infect in NYC is just way more than in the middle of Nebraska. That being, said, rural america is older and has far less hospital capacity and will feel plenty of pain from this going forward.
03-29-2020
ElNono
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Of course, but after this is over/subsidies, I don't want the discussion of how unprepared/complacent we were to deflect from the fact whose primary fault it is. It's like if someone robbed your house and you beat yourself up for not owning a gun while not casting blame/anger at the actual responsible party: the piece of shit who robbed your house. I'm not saying you're thinking like this, but I'm seeing a lot of "leave China alone!" making the rounds in comment sections and the like (probably their propaganda troll army putting in work). And mainstream Western media has been limp dicked in this regard, Fox News aside (who will be right for once).
I don't think we should leave them alone or blameless, there's just a time and a place for it. You said it yourself with your thread about what to do with them AFTER the pandemic is over.
I also don't think it's fair to just use them as a scapegoat for clear structural and leadership problems we had handling this pandemic.
03-29-2020
midnightpulp
Re: Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Then it's up to us to do things and not worry about China.
Let's hope we can do it. But do we have the willpower to take the convenience hit for a while until we rebuild manufacturing? Will people have the discipline to mass boycott made in China products (I know it's unrealistic to boycott ALL Chinese made goods, but people refusing to buy the new iPhone or some other non-essential electronic gizmo every 6 months will sting)? Will we call on our government and corporations to actually bring manufacturing home and not just pay lip service to it?
03-29-2020
ElNono
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
PR move. And they're charging for them. Not giving them to afflicted countries out of the goodness of their hearts.
Sure, but we were discussing ramping up and down production, and how they can ramp up much quicker than we (or any other country really) can.
03-29-2020
ElNono
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Rural America is definitely going to be impacted less. The amount of people you can infect in NYC is just way more than in the middle of Nebraska. That being, said, rural america is older and has far less hospital capacity and will feel plenty of pain from this going forward.
Yeah, I agree with the later part of your statement. It might be less infected, but you could have much better odds of collapse there, and thus more deaths.
The ideal scenario is cities like NY are over the problem by the time it hits some rural towns and resources can be shifted.
03-29-2020
midnightpulp
Re: Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions
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Originally Posted by ElNono
I don't think we should leave them alone or blameless, there's just a time and a place for it. You said it yourself with your thread about what to do with them AFTER the pandemic is over.
I also don't think it's fair to just use them as a scapegoat for clear structural and leadership problems we had handling this pandemic.
A scapegoat is someone who isn't really to blame but is created (usually by a twisting of the facts) in order for people to have something to blame because it makes them feel better. China is 100 percent to blame. Again, I would not "blame you" for not owning a gun if a thief came and robbed you. I would blame the thief.
03-29-2020
ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Let's hope we can do it. But do we have the willpower to take the convenience hit for a while until we rebuild manufacturing? Will people have the discipline to mass boycott made in China products (I know it's unrealistic to boycott ALL Chinese made goods, but people refusing to buy the new iPhone or some other non-essential electronic gizmo every 6 months will sting)? Will we call on our government and corporations to actually bring manufacturing home and not just pay lip service to it?
To what end? Put pressure on China to do things it won't do anyway?
Seems like we're just looping back around for the most part.
03-29-2020
midnightpulp
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Originally Posted by ElNono
Sure, but we were discussing ramping up and down production, and how they can ramp up much quicker than we (or any other country really) can.
Because we no longer have a manufacturing base here. Maybe this will wake us up and we'll just have to deal with paying a little bit more for stuff.
03-29-2020
Reck
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España getting kicked while down.
Reported an additional 100 deaths on top of the 800 they dumped this morning.
03-29-2020
TSA
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Re: Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions
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To what end? Put pressure on China to do things it won't do anyway?
Seems like we're just looping back around for the most part.
To not be reliant on them. The ultimatum is either: Reform your government and we'll keep on as business as usual. Or American (and European) corporations will shutter all those factories and move them domestic or to other developing countries that are growing their manufacturing base (China isn't the only player in the manufacturing game anymore).
03-29-2020
ElNono
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
A scapegoat is someone who isn't really to blame but is created (usually by a twisting of the facts) in order for people to have something to blame because it makes them feel better. China is 100 percent to blame. Again, I would not "blame you" for not owning a gun if a thief came and robbed you. I would blame the thief.
I didn't say China is blameless, and even if we were to agree that it's 90% their fault our response was botched, you have to look at the other 10% and assume your responsibility.
We were not ready. Our healthcare stockpiles, state and federal, were depleted. We lacked leadership at a time of crisis. The CDC and FDA were slow to react. Leadership didn't take this seriously enough until it was too late.Our healthcare system continues to debate between money and lives, even during a pandemic.
All those things you can't put on the Chinese, they're introspection issues that we have to address ourselves. Not now, after the shitshow is over.
03-29-2020
hater
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Let's hope we can do it. But do we have the willpower to take the convenience hit for a while until we rebuild manufacturing? Will people have the discipline to mass boycott made in China products (I know it's unrealistic to boycott ALL Chinese made goods, but people refusing to buy the new iPhone or some other non-essential electronic gizmo every 6 months will sting)? Will we call on our government and corporations to actually bring manufacturing home and not just pay lip service to it?
:lmao nobody is boycotting shit nig :lol
we probably gonna order more shit from china now
03-29-2020
TSA
Re: Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions
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No, actually i am not giddy at the thought of anyone dying. It is a tragedy. Yet another TSA lie.
I am not, however, going to waste too much emotional energy mourning for people whose cultish devotion to their information bubble put themselves and others at risk.
Also noticed your qualification. "republican here" wonder how hard I would have to look to find such sentiment? Guessing not very hard.
Democratic NYC is being hit first, and I would be willing to bet that since the Trump Death Cult is convinced that sacrificing nana to the stock market is the way to keep themselves in power, that will change over time.
Keep things open longer, don't take as many precautions, open up sooner after lockdowns, are all policies now favored by the Trump Death Cult, and each of those preferred policies will cause more spreading, and you know it.
So then you won’t be wasting too much emotional energy mourning for the people of NYC.
03-29-2020
ElNono
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Because we no longer have a manufacturing base here. Maybe this will wake us up and we'll just have to deal with paying a little bit more for stuff.
The problem is that it's not a little more. It's a lot more for products that take way longer to get to market. GE is now saying 1000 ventilators by the end of April. And they do want top dollar.
We simply can't put people to work here on 12 hour shifts, we really can't compete. Companies will shift to Vietnam or Honduras or 100 other countries before here.
03-29-2020
Blake
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