RE-OPEN SCHOOLS NOW
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RE-OPEN SCHOOLS NOW
Trash/Barr could see the pandemic out of control and decide to take advantage.
With the pandemic raging even worse (flu season) in October, 30M infected, they could postpone the election and declare a national emergency (isn't there already one declared?).
Then the postponement could drag on for months, while Trash/Barr go full "Nero decree" on Federal govt.
If people protest by the 10Ms against the postponement, then Trash/Barr declare martial law call out CBP/ICE/Erik Prince/police/sheriffs/National Guard into the streets, with shoot-to-kill orders, to maintain peace.
Nothing is "unthinkable" with Trash, Barr, Repugs, and the 5 political hacks on SCOTUS
And this is why herd immunity (or Derp Immunity) is a massively stupid idea.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...tients_awaits/Quote:
From Italy came just disturbing news that many infected people who are not in the risk groups can be at great risk of never recovering from covid-19. In the Netherlands, a study was recently conducted on 1,622 covid-19 patients with long-term symptoms. The average age of these patients was 53 years and 91 percent of them had not needed hospital care during the course of the disease and thus fall into the category of "mild symptoms". Before they fell ill, 85 percent of these people were classified as healthy. One to several months after falling ill with covid-19, only 6 percent considered themselves healthy.
Good thing kids can't get it
"But they don't really have any symptoms!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Splits
See my above post about the long term effects Covid is having in many patients who had mild symptoms. It's insane to send kids back to school wholesale before any studies determining if they are at risk of suffering long term health issues.
time flies
Just the flu, hospitalizations flat, ifr, bwahahaha, lolololol, set 2s at 45% skillz, etc, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z
"Here, we first studied T cell responses to structural (nucleocapsid protein, NP) and non-structural (NSP-7 and NSP13 of ORF1) regions of SARS-CoV-2 in COVID-19 convalescents (n=36). In all of them we demonstrated the presence of CD4 and CD8 T cells recognizing multiple regions of the NP protein. We then showed that SARS-recovered patients (n=23) still possess long-lasting memory T cells reactive to SARS-NP 17 years after the 2003 outbreak, which displayed robust cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 NP. Surprisingly, we also frequently detected SARS-CoV-2 specific T cells in individuals with no history of SARS, COVID-19 or contact with SARS/COVID-19 patients (n=37)."
I'm not really bullish anymore on that many people being naturally immune. Why? We inadvertently got a controlled study out of a Texas prison:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...e-for-covid-19Quote:
A North Texas federal prison has more than 1,000 inmates with COVID-19, one of whom has died from the virus, NBC News reports.
According to the report, the Federal Correctional Institute at Seagoville has 1,798 inmates total and at least 1,072 have tested positive for coronavirus.
This casts doubt on the theory that Covid naturally dies out when 20 percent of the population becomes infected, theory first proposed by Levitt. Now Covid can certainly die out at 20 percent infected if we employ proper mitigation. But the prison situation shows it doesn't just die out "naturally" regardless of mitigation or no mitigation.
I'm also not too crazy about willingly employing herd immunity due to this recent study.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...tients_awaits/Quote:
From Italy came just disturbing news that many infected people who are not in the risk groups can be at great risk of never recovering from covid-19. In the Netherlands, a study was recently conducted on 1,622 covid-19 patients with long-term symptoms. The average age of these patients was 53 years and 91 percent of them had not needed hospital care during the course of the disease and thus fall into the category of "mild symptoms". Before they fell ill, 85 percent of these people were classified as healthy. One to several months after falling ill with covid-19, only 6 percent considered themselves healthy.
That video was posted in June and is a hospital in Mexico.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
If it doesn't fade with 20% infected, we should see resurgence of cases in NY, right?
no, if NYC continues mask wearing and distancing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
NYC banned in-door dining, again, 2 weeks ago due to some resurgence.
You're still missing the point. It CAN fade with 20 percent infected if there's post-mitigation. New York is nowhere near normal mobility.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...erica/new-york
Combination of 20 percent infected plus closed down bars, churches, and other indoor public venues plus mask wearing and social distancing will go a long way. I'm arguing against the idea that it just goes away "naturally" after a certain threshold. The prison situation was a controlled environment and spread didn't stop at 20 percent.
LololIooloiQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
I don't think the prison is a good model, especially if they weren't catching cases early and quarantining individuals.
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
THAT is mitigation. The prison is a great model because it shows Covid doesn't magically disappear at 20 percent infected because many people are "naturally immune."
What the prison situation reveals is that a city can't simply respond with, "Well, data shows we're at 20 percent infected. Open it all back up, tell people they don't have to wear masks, go ahead and crowd bars and movie theaters, it's over!"
Similar thing happens on this French ship. 1046 infected out of 1760 personnel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...rles_de_Gaulle
Good catch. Maybe I won't swim the river to safety lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
see here for Mexico, disastrous, and increasingQuote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
https://www.statnews.com/feature/cor...aign=hp_widget
bwahahahahahhahHa wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
The demographics of that prison didn't have much natural immunity. No children or women in that population. Not sure about the racial demographics, but probably not representative.
I would think the social dynamics of a prison or ship are way different than other communities. In a given day, I'm likely to encounter only a tiny fraction of people in my community. And I don't share A/C with hundreds of other people for hours on end.
Nice strawman paradeQuote:
Originally Posted by Splits
I've never read anywhere that kids cannot get it. To even think that would be retarded. It's like saying only homosexuals can get HIV. The ifr for infants is extremely low.
idiot. You fuckers can be led around like sheep by anyone with an inkling as to your bias. Russian bots love fuckers like youQuote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
I called it out right after it was posted. Demographics don't jive.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Don't think the prison not having women or children means much. There's nothing to suggest they are more naturally immune. Seems you're conflating immunity with severity, and we do know children and women suffer less severe symptoms on average.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Sure, and this is why mitigation has to be made on community-by-community basis. A dense row of city blocks stacked with apartment buildings will have to mitigate differently than the suburbs. I'm challenging the "natural immunity" idea, that 20 percent is some universal target to shoot for. Back to my "dense city block" example. Neighborhoods in NY had as high as 68 percent prevalence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/n...ntibodies.html