Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

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Originally Posted by DMC

Those last 3 words are the fuel for all debates. Though it is reasonable for someone with more protection than a fully vaxxed person to also get vaxxed, why should it be required?

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

ok. give me a good argument for why getting the vaccine not within reason? what burden does it place on the person?

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:lol

Why is everyone still pretending there is a vaccine requirement for everyone?

Who here is subject to a COVID vaccine mandate?

Let's assume two people get vaccinated, one gets Moderna and the other gets J&J. They don't have the same level of protection but they are vaccinated (fully). Should the J&J person have held out for Moderna? Would the difference in protection be greater for that person than the naturally immune person who is contemplating a vaccination?

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Originally Posted by DMC

:lol

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you didnt provide any argument for why getting the vaccine is not within reason, or what burden it places on the person.

you said this is the fuel for the debate, yet you cant even steelman the argument. doesnt seem like much of a debate tbh

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Originally Posted by hater

Why would Joe Rogan need "even greater" immunity??? His natural immunity is very good enough so he doesnt need anymore "greater immunity"

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There's no way to measure "natural immunity" other than you get the virus, risk dying off it, and then find out.

Or you get a very safe vaccine and substantially reduce that risk of dying or being hospitalized by the virus and still find out.

This is really a non-argument.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

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Meh

Pandemic is over.

Ive moved on

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Originally Posted by ElNono

There's no way to measure "natural immunity" other than you get the virus, risk dying off it, and then find out.

Or you get a very safe vaccine and substantially reduce that risk of dying or being hospitalized by the virus and still find out.

This is really a non-argument.

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Less than 1% is really not a risk to many tbqh.

Its probably riskier to own a motorcycle or do rock climbing or sky diving tbqh

Some ppl might prefer the natural immunity to get the benefit of better.protection :tu

Follow da science thang dawg

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Originally Posted by hater

Less than 1% is really not a risk to many tbqh.

Its probably riskier to own a motorcycle or do rock climbing or sky diving tbqh

Some ppl might prefer the natural immunity to get the benefit of better.protection :tu

Follow da science thang dawg

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Hater following science.
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Originally Posted by Titan

hater would kill 3,000,000 Americans if he was president. One sick fucker. Worse than shilliry. :lmao :lmao

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Fake news


Old and sick need vax to fight this


Young. Not as much

Follow da science thang dawg

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Originally Posted by Titan

And thats possibly 30,000,000 more Americans with lower quality of life. Sick fuck. :lol

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Fake news from upset nancy

Follow da science :tu

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Originally Posted by Titan

That's what you already agreed to. :lmao

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Apology accepted

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Originally Posted by hater

Meh

Pandemic is over.

Ive moved on

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COVID hasn't

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

you didnt provide any argument for why getting the vaccine is not within reason, or what burden it places on the person.

you said this is the fuel for the debate, yet you cant even steelman the argument. doesnt seem like much of a debate tbh

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I said it was reasonable. Why would I provide an argument that it's not? Can you not read?

While it's not unreasonable for a COVID survivor to get vaccinated, it's unreasonable to expect them to if they have better protection already than you have as a vaccinated person who hasn't have COVID.

You have a very serious reading comprehension problem. Those last three words are the fuel for all debates, not just this one. Everyone should do Y as long as Y is within reason. Everyone should do what's within reason then? Not really. Just because it's reasonable to get it doesn't mean they should get it.

Breaking News: Covid is here to stay. Get your vax or not. Stop worrying about who is vaxxed or not. Go outside and get some air. Or hide in your house. Either way, move on.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

COVID hasn't

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It never will. Endemic. Forever.

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Originally Posted by steak n eggs

Breaking News: Covid is here to stay. Get your vax or not. Stop worrying about who is vaxxed or not. Go outside and get some air. Or hide in your house. Either way, move on.

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Eggsactly

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

Yeah, no 56 year old man has ever had joint pain or neck stiffness, must have been the vaccine!

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Sudden onset.

And I'm assuming you are not his doctor.

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Originally Posted by DMC

I said it was reasonable. Why would I provide an argument that it's not? Can you not read?

While it's not unreasonable for a COVID survivor to get vaccinated, it's unreasonable to expect them to if they have better protection already than you have as a vaccinated person who hasn't have COVID.

You have a very serious reading comprehension problem. Those last three words are the fuel for all debates, not just this one. Everyone should do Y as long as Y is within reason. Everyone should do what's within reason then? Not really. Just because it's reasonable to get it doesn't mean they should get it.

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you said its what fuels all debates. all would include this one. yet you cant even provide an argument for the other side of the "debate"

doesnt sound like much of a debate

as for the bolded, why is that unreasonable? hence the second part of my question, what's the burden on somebody to get the vaccine, even if they've already been infected? why is it unreasonable to ask that everybody take reasonable steps to get the most protection (for themselves, and by extension, the public)? and if you dont think vaccination is a reasonable step, explain why not

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Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale

Sudden onset.

And I'm assuming you are not his doctor.

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:lmao AMAZING, the first 56 year old man to have zero joint issues, until that darn vaccine!

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

you said its what fuels all debates. all would include this one. yet you cant even provide an argument for the other side of the "debate"

doesnt sound like much of a debate

as for the bolded, why is that unreasonable? hence the second part of my question, what's the burden on somebody to get the vaccine, even if they've already been infected? why is it unreasonable to ask that everybody take reasonable steps to get the most protection (for themselves, and by extension, the public)? and if you dont think vaccination is a reasonable step, explain why not

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Do you think maybe there should be certain exemptions? Like health care workers who went into the belly of the beast every day while everyone was ordering amazon groceries and hiding under their beds? I mean the odds of these people having not already being infected by the virus are very low.

I still say talk to your doctor. Whether you have hang ups or not, talk to your doctor - not Joe Biden, Don Lemon or anyone else unqualified to advise you on medicine and your body.

I think mostly everybody here has been vaxxed. We all think we did the right thing, but hey, maybe we are wrong and we all grow a tail next year and the unvaxxed turn out to be the smart ones. :lol

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Originally Posted by monosylab1k

:lmao AMAZING, the first 56 year old man to have zero joint issues, until that darn vaccine!

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Could be coincidental. But if you got the vax and starting having acute, lingering issues the very next day then I think you would likely have your suspicions as well.

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Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale

Do you think maybe there should be certain exemptions? Like health care workers who went into the belly of the beast every day while everyone was ordering amazon groceries and hiding under their beds? I mean the odds of these people having not already being infected by the virus are very low.

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no. health care workers should be held to the highest standard of being as protected as possible (short of intentionally getting themselves infected)

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I still say talk to your doctor. Whether you have hang ups or not, talk to your doctor - not Joe Biden, Don Lemon or anyone else unqualified to advise you on medicine and your body.

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sure. but anti-vaxxers dont. they treat facebook as their doctor.

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I think mostly everybody here has been vaxxed. We all think we did the right thing, but hey, maybe we are wrong and we all grow a tail next year and the unvaxxed turn out to be the smart ones. :lol

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no. our vaccination rate sucks