Why do you keep omitting your claim that there have been zero excess deaths prior to 2020?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
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Why do you keep omitting your claim that there have been zero excess deaths prior to 2020?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
:rollin
RandomGuy so bad at math he's quadrupled down on the claim that all excess deaths are only from covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Det maff det scienz......
You literally cannot make this up.
Why I come to spurstalk
this is so dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
UK: 67m
France: 65m
Germany: 83m
Canada: 37m
Italy: 60m
Total population: 312m
The point of the chart is that it is possible, after an initial wave (NY), for a western country to get this under control. The US has failed to do so.
... and none of that is an actual definition of "excess deaths" that even demonstrates you know what you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
:lol DMC continues to fail.
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Why can you not explain what the term excess deaths actually means?
Kind of hard to have a discussion with you about my claims, if you have no fucking clue what I am talking about.
smh
Moron.
yet another election tactic, to LIE about cases and deaths
Hospitals ‘scrambling’ to cope with Trump administration’s abrupt change
In a memo sent by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services on July 10, hospitals in the United States were ordered to start reporting COVID-19 patient information to a new centralized database :lol
set up by President Donald Trump’s administration. :lol
the requirement is burdensome for hospitals and will have “serious consequences on data integrity.” :lol Loss of integrity is The Point :lol
in July, Trump’s administration “ordered hospitals to send daily reports about virus cases to a central database in Washington — controlled by (Health Secretary Alex) Azar’s department — instead of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Such reports include
information about current patients,
the number of available beds and
ventilators, and
other information vital to tracking the pandemic.
The order raised alarm that the data could :lol be !!!! politicized :lol or
withheld from the public.” :lol
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/hospitals-scrambling-to-cope-with-trump-administrations-abrupt-change/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5195&re cip_id=298460&list_id=1
My claim is based on my understanding of the term. Not omitting anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
The term you can't seem to define. Why is that? Do you not know how they get their data?
Tell me what your working understanding of the term is, and provide a link to where you got it.
:lol this is surreal. Every day he derpvolves further.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Lolololol RandomGuyQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
BwahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahQuote:
Originally Posted by Splits
Wrong.
Update (13 August 2020):::
Trump's Corona Plague dead: 170,381+
Bexar County dead: 560
South Korea dead: 305
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k
Let us proceed..
Get real, it’s at least 189,000 dead Americans.
No, the point of the chart was to compare unlike things to try to win a forum point to enhance your e-peen status. Too bad it failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splits
Sure you omitted it. You clipped only part of your quote and twice omitted the part where you claimed there were never any excess deaths prior to 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Over counted.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Tell me how many only had covid
Your conspiracy theory, your burden of proofQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Hypocrite extraordinaire.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
:rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
LolololQuote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
You're posting the numbers as facts when you know they aren't and you can't prove they are...
Your burden and you'll never prove it.
Lololol
Your conspiracy theory, your burden of proofQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
You sure are working awfully hard to deflect. Why is that? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
I should have known you wouldn't bother. non-serious intellectual lightweight. A wanna-be try-hard, who bails at the first threat to his fee-fees.
Sokay. I read the notes in the website you cited. I know exactly why you are working so hard to deflect. I think at this point you went looking too, and realized your mistake.
Your tiny ego doesn't want to admit... I'm right. There essentially weren't any excess deaths prior to 2020, because of the way the term is defined and used.
COVID is killing way more people than the official tally is capturing. That is inconvenient for your cult, isn't it?
It's convenient for him when it's a few hundred more deaths in South Korea. It is not convenient for him when it's 4000 more deaths in Texas alone. And he's rather kill himself than admit his little South Korea theory applied to the US would mean ~40,000 more COVID deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
In three of the last four major pandemics after 1918, the US has underperformed the rest of the world.
Trump isn't to blame for the US racial caste system, economic inequality or oligopolistic health care. Nor is he responsible the national ethos that cares more about aggregate GDP growth than public health and saving lives. The pandemic has exposed these systemic problems, unfortunately Trump's leadersp is making them all worse.
Unfortunately also, voting Trump out of office will do zilch to fix the systemic problems that left us vulnerable to SARS-CoV2.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020...nequality.htmlQuote:
The 1957 H2N2 flu virus caused 1.1 million deaths globally out of a worldwide population of 2.9 billion, or 0.038 percent on a per capita basis; whereas in the United States, it caused about 116,000 deaths out of a U.S. population of 178 million, or 0.065 percent on a per capita basis. The 1968 H3N2 virus resulted in 1 million fatalities worldwide out of a global population of 3.6 billion, or 0.028 percent on a per capita basis; in the United States, there were 100,000 deaths out of a population of 203 million, or 0.049 percent on a per capita basis. The 2009 H1N1 virus caused far fewer overall deaths both globally and within the U.S., with 284,000 fatalities globally and a mere 12,469 fatalities in the U.S.; per capita fatality rates were the same (.004 percent on a per capita basis). But COVID-19 has reflected the reversion to American underperformance: as of August 13, confirmed global fatalities (out of a worldwide population of 7.8 billion) were 749,776, or 0.0096 percent on a per capita basis, versus 169,488 deaths in the United States out of an existing population of 331 million, or 0.051 percent on a per capita basis.
From the discussion @ the link
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2769236Quote:
This cohort study found that the absolute increase in deaths over baseline (ie, excess mortality) observed during the peak of 1918 H1N1 influenza pandemic was higher than but comparable to that observed during the first 2 months of the COVID-19 outbreak in New York City.
However, because baseline mortality rates from 2017 to 2019 were less than half that observed from 1914 to 1917 (owing to improvements in hygiene and modern achievements in medicine, public health, and safety), the relative increase during early COVID-19 period was substantially greater than during the peak of the 1918 H1N1 influenza pandemic.