Printable View
Da Bulls
I would sentimentally look back at the Bulls and their two to four rings if the NBA wasn't rigged.
Fuck, the tweet in the OP disappeared :lol
There is the trailer :wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulpdt1jJ72s
Someone should've Zaza'd his candy ass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zud2GovT44
Theriggedba made a more in deprh video about his special treatmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=bPn1J07F10EQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
And all these ST douches were RIP'ing David Stern.
Check out his 2 part video Michael Jordan : Untouchable :lol that officiatingQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
He also made a video debunking the physicality and handchecking bs
Brickowski vs Rodman -- highly entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
I tend to give my Top 10 careers all time rather than my Top 10 best players of all time. I’ve always thought Wilt was the GOAT. I mean the dude averaged 50 and 24 one year, just take a second to hear how ridiculous that is. All the negative push back I’ve gotten is as followed: He took all the teams shots so of course he averaged 50. Well Kobe took all of the 06 Lakers shots (rightfully so) and Michael took all the shots for the 1980s Bulls (rightfully so) and neither one came close to averaging 50 points a game.
He didn’t win enough. Can anyone actually name a teammate that prime Wilt had (and don’t give me older out of prime Laker Wilt)? Bill Russell played with 9 hall of famers. Magic had Kareem. Shaq and Kobe has each other. Lebron has Wade. I would take prime Tony, Manu, Pippen, McHale, Worthy over ANY teammate Wilt played with on the 76ers. So yeah he didn’t win enough but at the same time nobody has any of his teammates in the top 100 players of all time.
He played in a watered down league with a bunch of short people. What the hell is the league today? There aren’t any tall guys anymore. Draymond Green is a perennial all star in today’s game and won DPOY and he’s barely 6’7. Hell Barkley was 6’4 and I would take him over every other player besides like maybe 20 in the history of the game. All people do today is jack 60 threes a game and play no defense. You can’t hand check, you can’t bump, you get a flagrant now for hitting a guy across the arm too hard. Go ask the guys Wilt played with what they used to do to him. They punched him, they slapped him, they kicked and pushed him. They didn’t suspend anybody for fighting Wilt. The refs didn’t protect him and the league didn’t send mandates down about player behavior. The league was crappier skill wise in the 60s, no argument, but they made up for it in more physical ways. And the one player (besides Shaq) who has ever in the history of the league had to deal with the most physicality is Wilt.
They changed the rules to hamper Wilt. While they changed the rules to literally enhance Jordan, Kobe, and even more so today Lebron. I don’t even take scoring seriously anymore by how easy they make it for players.
Wilt averaged like 28 rebounds a game one year. Well he’s a center and Lebron, Jordan, Kobe, whoever are guards so of course they shouldn’t average so many rebounds. Like yeah I get that but he averaged more than triple the rebounds in any of the other aforementioned players. Annnnd he scored more than them
Then I hear how great a defender Lebron, Kobe, Jordan are and I’m like dude they didn’t keep official stats of blocks when Wilt played but by going over the game logs he averaged something like 9 blocks a game one season. NINE!
Also Wilt averaged 7.5 assists one year showing that he could do what guards could do while literally every guard who has ever played has shown they can’t do what Wilt can do.
Career wise I have in order:
Bill, Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Shaq,Lebron, Kobe, Wilt, and Larry
But GOAT wise I have Wilt #1 and I think Bird was better than Magic. I think Duncan and Shaq are equal. And I think Kareem is also better than Jordan. Jordan ranks 3rd on my list.
So in order: Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, Lebron, Duncan and Shaq, Larry, Bill, Kobe, Magic.
To me Wilt had his mind elsewhere like for example women. He reminds me of Lebron. Even in College Wilt couldn't win a Title, falling short in the Final to UNC by 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobesAchilles
I remember in the 90s there was more celebration of Wilt. But that shifted in the 2000s as Celtics returned to prominence and focus shifted towards superteams....winning.....Russell
I personally can't put Wilt above Kareem. And I'll take Bill & Bird over Wilt & Lebron (the number guys)
Wilt and Lebron isn’t a fair comparison tbh. You can call them both numbers guys but that’s like saying BJ Armstrong and Michael were both Allstars. Wilt nearly doubled Lebron in points career high wise and he’s averaged like 20 more rebounds a game than Lebron and 9xs as many blocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Again I take Russel’s career over Wilt’s but there was nothing in basketball that Russell did better than Wilt other than winning and I feel like if Wilt got a legendary coach and 9 hall of famers, he would’ve won as well. Switch Russell on the 76ers and I’m not sure how many titles he wins. Definitely wouldn’t be 11.
Injury killed Bird’s career so I can’t put him over Wilt on any list. He won one more championship but that’s about it. He lost to Super Teams just the same as Wilt did. Just so happened that there was a 3 year window where the other Super Team in the league played in the West and Bird didn’t have to face them to go to the finals like Wilt did.
And Phil called Brick a goon to the media when he had Rodman on his team. I know it was strategic, but the nerve of that dude. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
A top-rated YT comment.Quote:
making zone defense legal was the first step the league took towards team basketball. And its clearly still protecting Jordan's legacy
Frank only played 11 Mins/game. Sonics went 5 deep.Quote:
Originally Posted by UZER
Rodman at 7 PPG and 14 boards.
Rodman should have been Finals MVP in 96
He was goon-'ish'. But they probably don't beat Seattle in 96 without him. That Sonics team was highly underrated and Rodman was killing it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by UZER
Wow -- I had never actually seen MJ make the GOAT comment about himself until I watched this. I always thought he believed it, but never actually said it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Sonics needed a scoring combo guard off the bench. They had every other role filled even the stretch "4" in Sam PerkinsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Jordan was the reason the term phantom fouls and superstar calls became common basketball terminology.
OTOH the youngins wouldn’t understand the point of the video you posted. Those would be flagrant 2’s in :lol today’s nba.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Quote:
Originally Posted by 140
Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Jordan birthed the “get mine” movement. Kobe took it to another level, but added controlling the narrative. Lebron combined both of those and added “my brand above the all” because of his insecurities.
They all created the emo players of today.
Ah the game where Jordan got all those BS callsQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
That was a travesty
2 palming callsQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
I watched this game last night - 1996 ECF Game 2. Magic had an 18 point lead at Halftime. The Bulls defense especially in the 4th Quarter is jaw dropping.
https://youtu.be/ROf5n0iis2Q
Nothing compared to all the BS calls in his favor that nightQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Rodman's defense on Shaq in that series was incredible. Guy was giving up like a 100lbs. He was as strong as an ox.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
34 years old. Dennis was still elite in 1996, especially late in the season as he had spent nearly a calendar year in the Bulls system at that point. In 97 he started doing the off the court circus and by 1998 he looked almost out of shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
At that point Kukoc was All Star caliber anyway though. Toni was the only Bull still on the upswing of their career
https://youtu.be/2HLL32HyYik
From the bullied to the Bully
90s, Every possession is a highlight
19:30 Rodman enters the game
https://youtu.be/2HLL32HyYik?t=1178
1:39:00 Tie game at 69
https://youtu.be/2HLL32HyYik?t=6196
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Kukoc
Which PG is ideal ?
You mean a real traditional PG?Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
https://i.ibb.co/Df3Zw6d/206307-1015...-4146823-n.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
That wouldn’t work in the systemQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Abdul Raif/Steph Curry types would work better offensively as they can shoot and create for others but don’t need to have the ball all rhe time
Rose would be most athletic on the coart. Maybe KukocQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
23 & 33 suffocating the Wing. Rodman boards and any modern Center tbh
I’m talking system fit, nit athleticism lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Paxson, Armstrong, Harper and KerrQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Late 90s with Rose (basically Stockton role) rounding out the Triangle offense
Rivals defeated
Bigs
Ewing
Malone
Rodman
Shaq
Smalls
Drexler
Magic
Reggie
Stockton
Forwards
Barkley
Kemp
Mullins
Worthy
Lol there is 0 context to that listQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Eliminated from playoffsQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
That’s your context?Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
My personal memory of the 90's Chicago Bulls
The standard. For a franchise surrounded by other underachieving clubs from Chicago: Cubs, Blackhawks, White Sox and Bears (1 modern title). The formula of building a Champion seemed to coincide with Michael's progress. Coaches were improved and supporting cast strengthened. Maybe Isiah's success made it more believable that a mere guard could rise to such heights.
Ladder was climbed and titles defended. Yes fans bring up the gambling. I do not have an honest answer to that. My friends and I sports gamble. Do I believe it was tied to his fathers death - No. Rodman brought a somewhat modern touch onto the Bulls run. His wedding announcement and eventual appearance in a dress was supported by a best selling book "Bad as I wanna Be".
But the Bulls guided by a clever HC in Phil Jackson not only overcame drama but more importantly he tapped into the edge each player needed to keep it competitive but also fresh. I think the Bulls first Dynasty Run is centered on Jordan's rise and dominance as a player but the 2nd Run is more interesting. They showed humility off the court, they showed weakness on it but the standard remained.
My god, all those phantom and 1s :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Refs to the rescue :lol
Also , Suns « defense » :lmao
Bulls beating an old and injured Lakers team how impressiveQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Magic had 20 assists in game 5, no Worthy and Scott, had to make Teagle and some other scrubs score :lol, now THAT’s greatness
Also :lol at that pic of Jordan guarding Magic, Earvin destroyed him
I don't think he feels threatened by LBJ. But I do think he feels threatened by ESPN's narrative. I can recall him being like Trump in that regard -- overly concerned about what people write.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Worthy and Scott played in game 2 -- lost by 21Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Worthy and Scott played in game 3 -- lose by 8 with Scott going 0-8
Worthy and Scott played in game 4 -- lose by 15
3-1 at that point. Series was over. And Scott was a non-factor even in the game they won.
And Pippen gave Magic fits in that series. You could argue for him as MVP based on that alone. Cut off the head of the snake. Chicago had a great luxury with him.
Goddamn, I am excited for this. Especially since its all in HD. Aside from the Michael Jordan to the Max iMax documentary there is no real HD footage of MJ since they filmed all shit on videotape back in the day. Get tired of watching garbage shit old games listed as HD on youtube but which are clearly VHS and look like they were filmed with a shoe
He is so threatened he used time travel to have some camera crews sent back to 1997-98 to film all this shit. lmao do you nerds ever hear yourselves? Always start with the same premise and then work backwards using it to analyze every eventQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Worthy and Scott were already injured before the Finals started and were far from being 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Pippen slowed down Magic a little in game 2 but Magic adjusted, Scottie didn’t give Magic any fit the rest of the way
Yeah it was shot a long time ago MJ pretty much recently gave the green light to release it recentQuote:
Originally Posted by Isitjustme?
30 minutes away!
Barry McCockiner ready to voice over those episodes :lol
Deleted and bannedQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Lol he already has another accountQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
He can’t disappear
Exactly lol. Im excited halfway just because it was filmed with 35 mm movie cameras so its HD. Watching some old NBA videotape footage is brutal lol. I would probably love watching Magic and Bird and Wilt if their games and behind the scenes stuff were all filmed like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
You can see Scottie's grey roots lol. c'mon man you a millionaire could do some touchup there lol
Krause lol forgot about him
Tim Floyd the next Phil Jackson lol
Krause: "This will be your last year Phil, I dont care if you win 82 games." lmao little fat troll
Fuck me Wade has to insert himself into everything, biggest fucking attention whore ive seen :lol
Dang clip of Bobby Knight in the 1984 Olympics calling Michael the best player he'd ever seen play :wow
lol poor tlongII
Lol MJ talking about how all his early Bulls teammates were cokeheads
Sam Bowie
Dang even Obama getting interviewed :wow More surprised Isiah is there praising Jordan considering the Dream Team snub maybe he gonna shit on Jordan about that in a later episode though lol
Well done State Farm
Chicago Bulls traveling cocaine circus
Looks like this episode will focus on Pippen. man he got a shit contract during his Bulls run lol cant blame him for being pissed about it still
Lol forgot Seattle traded Pippen for Olden Polynice. Whole Pacific Northwest got shit on draft wise by the Bulls in the mid 80s
MJ cussing motherfuckers out :lol
Paxson with the pornstache :lol
They say that by the time you make it to the finals, everyone is playing injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Great series tbh. Love how it jumps back and forth. Forgot that Pippen grew up in such a large family.
7 years 17 milion :lol
Greatest sports documentary of all time tbh
Timing of the release couldn't have been more perfect. A whole new generation is introduced to an era they keep hearing about but know little of.Quote:
Originally Posted by 140
And it helps to be in HD quality. Agree with whoever said they cant watch older games because the video quality is horrendous
Great documentary. Perfect for the lockdown.
:lol Scott Burrell waiting for a double team during practice
Poor Scottie tho, not because of his contract, but because of what happened to his dad and brother
Seriously this is some nostradamus shit to say before MJ even stepped foot in the league :wowQuote:
Originally Posted by Isitjustme?
Looking forward to more of the footage of MJ interacting with teammates in the locker room.
To hear Bobby knight, magic and Bird with his hid statement all dudes with egos wax poetic about how great MJ was early on is crazy.
Funny to see old school stiffs like Mark Eaton all say MJ wont dominate he is to small...
What's so interesting about MJ's career was the game's other best perimeter player who can guard him is no less than Scottie Pippen. Imagine, during his prime, if Pippen decided to go a team that would give him a max contract. MJ would have to carry the Bulls by himself while having to worry about Pippen guarding him.
Lebron is close no question. If he stayed in Cleveland and drag that horrible team to the finals year after year he’d be up there. Too bad he had to join the lakers and miss the playoffs. Even with the customary Lakers premium he got knocked down a peg because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
He dragged a shitty Cava team to the Finals in 2007Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
I think that’s enoigh dragging a shitty team to the Finals
MJ could never
If Pippen went to the West during his prime day they wouldn’t have met in the postseason because the Bulls wouldn’t have won the East with Jordan onlyQuote:
Originally Posted by ezau
It was funny to see math teachers like Carlisle and Ainge guarding Jordan or DJ - who even though he was a great defender - didn’t have 1/10th of the athleticism or speed young MJ had
It’s no wonder MJ talked trash to Ainge before game 2 lol
Krause was actually way ahead of his time. He was the first person to successfully build a team based around a perimeter player driving the entire offence by surrounding him with shooters, a rebounder and a defensive center.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isitjustme?
His biggest fault is looking like a fat slob and ticking off jordan by not stroking his ego and saying teams win championships.
Knight begged teams to pick Jordan number one. Some GM said they needed a centre (forgot was it Portland or Houston) and knight told them to play Jordan at Centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isitjustme?
Solid bigs were such a premium back then.
Kinda agree on giving Krause more props. He was scouting Kukoc overseas long before that sorta thing was trendy. His teams were long and very versatile which made Phil's job fairly easy. What's interesting is that Chicago really hasn't done shit since he left. They had the one glimmer of hope in Rose flame out right away.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
2011 Finals. Bron Bron got lit up by Ninja turtle Jason Terry and got his shit pushed in by Shawn Marion.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
I guess Shaq took a cue from Scottie.
Pippen had no one but himself to blame. You can't lock yourself up for 7ys / $17 mil. I think KG had just signed a $120 mil contract in 97.
Jordan got outscored by Danny Pastor Ainge and fouled out in an elimination game :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
I saw great reviews for this and tried to watch it but I quickly got tired of the concert footage. Was never really a fan although they seem like pretty good guys. Robbie Robertson did some Native American stuff a while back that was pretty interesting.
^ truth bombs :lol
Pippen signed that contract in 91 after his rookie deal iirc tbh. Ironically the salaries balooned during those next few years mainly due the success of his team (and MJ ofc)Quote:
Originally Posted by scanry
Actually I believe Pippen extended with 1 year remaining on his rookie contract. So Bulls did him favorQuote:
Originally Posted by 140