LeBron couldn’t even make the playoffs without Mike Brown :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
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LeBron couldn’t even make the playoffs without Mike Brown :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
They both would eat, lock players down, dish, etc. They woulda been awesome (hypothetically).Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Pip did ALL the dirty work. Jordan got the glory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Explain to me how Pip led the Bulls to 55 wins with Pete Myers at SG while Jordan was playing baseball? Jordan never won that many games without Pippen. Facts.
2-12 in the Finals without Wade, Kyrie, Bosh
MJ is the GOAT. He has the metrics and the narrative to support this claim. But he is far from untouchable as some might try to suggest. The fact that he was lucky enough for his franchise to draft Pippen and hire Jackson as coach was a huge advantage that a guy like Lebron, for example, didn't have. Lebron had to go to Miami to join his Pippen and never in his life got a coach even half as good as Jackson. Those significant help advantages play a huge part in people's perception. "Oh, Lebron is a pussy, he had to go to Miami to win something" blah, blah, blah. Yeah, well, MJ needed his franchise to draft the second best wingman in the league and hire the best coach in history for him to start winning.
Every player needs help, no matter how great. If MJ was stucked in Lebron's Cleveland situation all his life, he would have probably be seen as a deeply talented sociopath that could never win anything because he was too selfish, drove people away and had a gambling problem.
Correction: Kareem Abdul Jabbar is more accomplished. Won just as many titles. More MVPs. More points. Etcetera etcetera.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Won more in grade school and collegiately as well. Jabbar is the GOAT. Bron #2.
Who came to Cleveland to Join LeBron?Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Not sure Lebron would play in the perimeter back then. Be forced downlow. Probably less winning but better player forced to develop moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Jordan could hang in the air longer than anyone I have ever seen including, Lebron. And he had those Kawhi Leonard type claws on him. Allowed him to do quite a bit with the basketball like make impossible shots on a regular basis....
How do you figure Lebron was more durable? Jordan had 1 injury forcing him to miss significant time. Lebron missed quite a bit his first year in L.A. Other than that 1 year for both of them, they have both been iron men.
Note: Jordan was 40 when he got hurt with the Wiz. Lebron wont even make it that far so its a non sequitur.
I would say they both have incredible durability.
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Minus points for leaving city. Chicago is regional rival with Milwaukee.Quote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
But Kareem is my clear cut #2
Kareem over MJ is an argument that could be had. Wilt, maybe, as well. But Lebron? :lol Not so much :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
AD came to LA to join him. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Jordan taught Donkey how to beg for a superstar after a playoff loss. After Horace Grant kicked his ass, he went out and got Rodman - ANOTHER HOF player he needed to win. No Rodman? He's light 3 and you know it.
Also, stop it with the retarded "unbeaten in the finals" shit. Losing in the finals is better than losing before them. If you want to stop people realizing your poor reasoning skills, stop beating that drum.
Why not? Because Jordan had a better teammate than Bron ever did and beat lesser competition in the Finals? Jordan NEVER beat a super team in the playoffs. Yes, Bird's Celtics were a super team that swept his Arrogantness TWICE. But Bron gets beat down for losing twice to the Dubs? 2017 Dubs would beat the 96 Bulls too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
1991-1998Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
1 season out
1 handshake as loser
What's your point? Who went to Chicago to help Jordan? All the help Jordan got was thanks to great FO moves in drafts, trades and hires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
He didn't leave in free agency, Logo traded for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Do you want people noticing your poor reasoning skills?Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
^ FactsQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Ring count? Russell has 11. What's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Kareem has 6 titles as well. More MVPs and 3 national championships (to your 1).Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
I always wondered where is that GIF from. Bulls won their 6th in Utah, using the red unis. Or is the Mandela effect playing a trick on me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Yeah LeBron was busy getting his buddies like Tristan Thompson paid and hamstringing the salary cap and then crying that he didn’t have enough helpQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Since Lebron joined the Lakers, this current player bias has intensified and he hasn't even made the playoffs
Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, Davis. And still a 3-6 finals record. Maybe it’s not the teammates.....Quote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
This is 1997. Jordan is flirting with fans about returning. It wasn't guaranteed. Last Dance was arguably an encore. Argument against a 4th attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Kareem twice beat the team that swept the Bulls twice. Think about that son.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Jabbar > JordanPERIOD.
You could have plugged several lunch pal type players in there and still won a ring or two during that time frame. They were ready made, just lacking a dirty work player.
Kurt Thomas
Otis Thorpe
Robert Horry
Anthony Mason
Antonio Mcdyess
Just to name a handful. Rodman just happened to be better than all of them.
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Originally Posted by LkrFan
LeBron as the head dog lost to the team that Dwayne Wade beat as the head dog. WITH Wade. Think about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Big whoop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
2016 Dubs
2017 Dubs
2018 Dubs
ALL better than the Finals competition Jordan ever faced. Facts.
And that 2017 Dubs team would beat the 96 Bulls team. Bron is 1-2 vs super teams. Jordan has no wins vs a super team.
Give and take. A weaker defender means more defensive duty for Michael but lighter load on offense. Jordan was just such an efficient scorer the Bulls went with MJ+Kukoc+Pippen/Bench. 80 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Lebron gets beat down for losing to the 1 star Mavs in 2011...and scoring 8 points in one of those games :lol
And in 2014 losing in record fashion to the spurs...this after he formed a superteam to get not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 but 8 titles :lol
This is not alpha male type accomplishments on the basketball court :lol In the words of George Carlin, these are the type of results you'd expect from intern with a bad attitude.
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Originally Posted by LkrFan
Btw, who did LeBron even make better as players? Hell, Pippen got better playing with me. Bosh and Love were relegated to three point shooters with LeBron. Lakers built a team around LeBron last year and missed the playoffs. Ol boy needs All Stars :lol
Warriors have no post presence. Rodman and Kukoc would exploit.Quote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Heatles better matchup.
Oh I know - good post BTW. The Last Dance made it seem like MJ was infallible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Lakers and/or the Celtics were in the Finals 8 times in the 80s. Why didn't Jordan win then? Perhaps he wasn't good enough.
He didn't win until Jabbar retired :lol
Rodman is a great post defender. How would he be chasing around Curry or Klay? You know Kerr would make him switch off KD. Let's not act like Jordan was some spring chicken either in 1996. All major players on that 2017 Dubs team were in their primes. 2017 Dubs in 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
If it was up to Jordan, Doug Collins would have coached him all his life and Jackson would have never got a chance. The luck of having a FO that knows what's better for you, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
I'm on the other side of the debate, but disagree with this.
Lebron elevated the play of a scrubs like Matthew Delavedova. (spelling?) Some guy name Boobie (Daniel Gibson) and others. He does make players better. He just ldoesn't have the killer instinct and drive that MJ had.
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Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
34K pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
8K rebounds
8K assists
You even said a few posts ago that he got Tristan Kardashian paid. But now he doesn't make his teammates better? And who scored on those 8K assists?
Say it with me: Pippen made Jordan's teammates better.
PG: CurryQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
SG: Klay
SF: AI
PF: Durant
C: Green
Rodman would guard Durant. Toni takes Green's picks. Pippen helps on Michael/Harper.
In all fairness that was not objective journalism or anything :lol It was Jordan telling us what he wanted us to hear. Still enjoyed it, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Don't care to get in the whole Warriors/Bulls argument. But how are Kukoc and Rodman suppossed to "exploit" the post? Kukoc is a finesse perimeter player and Rodman was a non-factor offensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
22 year old Bron had no business in the Finals. Of course he lost to the Spurs. What was 22 year old Jordan doing - oh that's right: getting swept by Bird in the 1st round. But at least it wasn't a Finals loss :lol
Rodman guards their most versatile offensive weapon. 14+ reboundsQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Kukoc is guarded by Green. Further weakening the post by pulling him out.
The big question is what rules are they playing by?
If it's 90's rough and rugged ball, Bulls win hands down. Rodman would terrify KD and probably limit him to 15 pgg on 30% shooting. In fact, KD would probably suck his thumb on the bench and retire after the series ended.
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Originally Posted by FrostKing
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Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
No lie, I didn't watch even 1 episode. I am on Twitter a lot - so I got the basic premise.
Our country is suffering right now. Especially with no sports. What does Jordan do? Tryna play on simpletons emotions. He ain't slick :lol
Quite pathetic how Jamirez has turned into a lebron knob slobber after shitting on him forever :lol dude has zero convictions tbh.. but then again thats laker fans in a nutshell so not really surprised
And let's talk about Air Jaundice taste in women
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Is he still making moose support payments? :rollin :lmao :rollin
Do I get to choose 1991 MJ in this matchupQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
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Originally Posted by LkrFan
Well, yeah, but you must swap Rodman for Horace.
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Originally Posted by FrostKing
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Originally Posted by LkrFan
Get this L.A. TMZ shit outta here
:lmao LeBron’s East
Why cherrypick just Jordan's first three seasons? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Of course the record will be inflated thanks to the Bulls being a lower seeded team facing the best the East had to offer. Put all the Bulls first round opponents and see ir all those 8th seeded teams with 10 games under .500 wouldn't drag the winning % down. Dumb biased stat is not subtle at all, tbh. Why even bring it up? :lol
Why cherry pick first round records over FINALS records?Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
I guess getting swept twice in the finals isn’t a good look
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Originally Posted by 140
Couple things:
1) Bron is a Laker. All past sins are forgotten :lol
2) I NEVER liked Jordan.
3) I once cheered on Mailman too when he donned the P&G - bite me :lol
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Originally Posted by FrostKing
I don't know who cherry picked first round over finals, but that still doesn't excuse that blatant skewing of numbers, tbh. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
You can still root for the team without becoming a bigger lebron ass kisser than chink nation tbh son :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
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Originally Posted by 140
Would the 91 Finals have anything to do with that? :lol
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Originally Posted by LkrFan
First Round
Opponent W-L
Data mining has come a long way
Who would you rather: 35 year old LBJ or 35 year old TOSB Jordan tbh? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
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Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Nah - he didn't win jack until Jabbar retired. Jabbar kept Jordan ringlessPERIOD :lol
Oh and the Guests were supposed to be there, not the over the hill Lakers and a rookie Divac tbh :lol
Lakers have half the Top 10. So butthurt over the best one being a 3rd pick that climbed the ladder to create a Dynasty in one of Americas most influential cities. The Bulls were known in every corner of the globe I visited. A representation of what hard work and teamwork could accomplish in AmericaQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Over the hill Lakers -- all I heard about them was how 'experienced' they were, especially after they won game 1 :lol
Loved Sam Perkins, BTW. Big Smooth!!
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Originally Posted by LkrFan
Butthurt over Jordan? Please. He won after Bird's back went out and Jabbar retired. Who cares about Jordan tbh. Fun debate though :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Divac replaced Jabbar. We didn't have 1988 James Worthy. Magic had HIV. We were up against it tbh :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Explain yourself sonQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Why did you lie on Zeke? SMH
If Zeke plays I'm not playing :cry
Old Piss Eyes lied to his base. Like Trump. We should call him Air Dennison :lol
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Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
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Originally Posted by LkrFan
Jaundice blackballed Zeke. SMH
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Originally Posted by daslicer
"Republicans buy sneakers too!" :rollin :lmao :rollin
1990s AmericaQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
You didn't leave it
you are on a roll today :lol :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Also, what's the deal with the bloodshot eyes? Dude couldn't get a good night's sleep before filming the documentary? Couldn't the documentary creators cover that shit up with some technology like they did with 80% of Jordan's behind the scene stories?
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Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Jordan's competition was a smidge better than this
The 1998 Jazz defenders looked just like these guys :lol
Lol clearly you’ve never played basketballQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Those are actually the 98 JazzQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
"Trapping in the corner is hard Coach"Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Neither have you :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Not like LeBron is winning anything this year anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Imagine being scared to post up JJ Barea and Jason Kidd :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
:lol imagine letting your teammate guard the opposition’s best plumber during your whole careerQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/...ebronkawhi.gif
Damn, flat out scared
:lol
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Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
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Originally Posted by lefty
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Originally Posted by lefty
Hey .Michael Jordan get your hummingbird ass in here and :downspin: this shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Why was this NOT in the Last Dance? You lie more than 45 :lol
Whether he was on the team or not we weren’t winning bronze like LeBron :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Post 9/11 NBA players tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Well he wasn’t playing against Ehlo or Majetle :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Right. Just a nigga who sniffs his fingers after he takes a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
I can only imagine Lebron's fragile psyche after Ehlo took him baselineQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty