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:lol tje Jazz scored 54 pts in an NBA Finals game
:lol Jordan’s opposition
Pippen threw out his back taking charges in that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Michael Jordan eliminated 20 different Hall of Fame players in the postseason
:bobo
Just finished watching
Damn what an ending. What an epic sports documentary. Got a lil choked up there.
mehQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
5/10, just another jordan brand legacy promotion. not even a top 7 30 for 30.
if mj didnt had final say in editing, this would’ve been 10x better.
they promoted this as having 500 hours of never seen, behind the scenes footage in 98 yet barely 30 minutes from that season was used:lol
NBA greats denied a ring thanks to Jordan:
Barkley
Ewing
Stockton
Malone
Miller
Drexler and Hakeem would be on the list but snuck in the back door when Jordan played baseball :lol
Everybody ate in the Lerbron era. Dirk, Duncan, Manu, TP, Durbeta ( :lol ), Steph, Klay, KG, Allen, Pierce, Kobe, Shaq, Wade, Kawhi
I'm sure you will be able to purchase extra footage for a hefty price, at some point.
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Originally Posted by Kyle_Kuzma
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-poll-nba-fans
Michael Jordan or LeBron James? For NBA fans, the debate over the better NBA player will never end -- but at the moment, MJ clearly has more fans in his corner.
A new poll commissioned by ESPN found 73% of NBA fans believe Jordan is the superior player overall, and the Chicago Bulls legend swept all 17 questions comparing him to James by metrics both on and off the court.
To account for the generation gap -- Jordan last played in the season before James entered the league in 2003 -- the 600 respondents were split evenly into two age groups: 18-34 and 35 and older. Jordan naturally led by almost 4-to-1 (79%) in the older half, but even in the younger group, Jordan was preferred by nearly 2-to-1 (66%).
Lol no the Rockets would have skullfucked Chicago :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
All the guys you mentioned didn’t a Pippen and the refs
Barkley - fat undersized 6'5 no defense pf and defense is extremly important for pf. Complete defensive liability in today's leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Ewing - great 2-way big. Unfortunately his 2nd option was John aka grocery bagger Starks and not Scottie Pippen. Bulls still got their hands full with Knicks
Stockton - great role player. Good defensively, good passer. Couldn't create his own shot as well as break down defense with driving. Racked up a lot of cheap assists. Great lol
Malone - biggest mental midget in 90s nba. Jazz were average Western Conference playoff team before all their rivals became old. Props for their longevity though
Miller - 3 assists 3 rebounds no defense sg. Wow
Hakeem - during 1st Bulls 3-peat they were 1-5 against Rockets. Rockets were bad matchup for them and Hakeem was big reason why. Jordan was the greatest competitor the game has ever seen and took every game seriously unlike today's tic toc rappers (at least media and his fans say this all the time). Because of that, we can assume that Rockets would destroy Bulls in the Finals if Jordan didn't quit.
Jordan is no question goat candidate and it can be argued the goat. But he was lucky that the most dangerous matchups for him Robinson and Hakeem played in different conference and he had perfectly constructed team around him. He was also lucky that truly elite teams and dynasties like Pistons (Bulls beat them when they were 48-34 team) Celtics and Showtime Lakers were gone before his rise
Me too LOL.. Now what? What am I going to Watch on Sunday Night? God I Miss Sports..Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y-FbhBM9uvU
What a series that would have been
I do not disagree with any of y'all on Hakeem's greatness. Guy was an absolute beast. Best footwork downlow I have ever seen next to Mchale. But if all that stuff you say about Barkely/Malone/Stockton, etc is true then why do you suppose Hakeem didn't get to the Finals in any of those other years? How come we never got that dream matchup, pun intended?Quote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
Honestly, I think the Bulls beat Houston in a series. That team was Hakeem and a bunch of shooters. Very similar to the Spurs of 99-02 and we saw how Phil played them in LA. Guarded Tim straight up through 3 quarters so the Spurs shooters had no rhythm...then bring some hard doubles in the 4th from time to time to fluster them. He rolls out a lineup of C-Rodman PF-Kukoc SF- Pippen SG- Jordan PG- Harper. Hakeem gets 40 and his shooters don't get shit lol. Bulls may have to take them 7 as you are right, those bigger teams seemed to give Chicago problems.
I think their is another putrid h-o-r-s-e tournament on the horizon :lol
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Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
Phil didn't start dating Jeanie Buss til 1999 but I wonder if he already had his eye on the Lakers job
Jordan probably should have given up his "only play for Phil" demand and instead worked with Krause to bring someone in other than Tim Floyd.
The players still wanted to dance but management and coaches seemed to all want to move on to the next challenge. Unlike players and their short window of opportunity, management/coaches has a more big picture and long term viewpoint.
Sometimes, I think it comes down to luck. Hakeem was better player in 92-93 season than in 94-95, but in 93 in game 7 iirc Scottie Brooks missed potential series-winning buzzer beater in the 4th. Then in OT refs made couple of mistakes in Seattle's favor and another teammate missed another series winner. Then look at ending of game 7 in 95 against Suns. KJ missed crucial free-throw, Mario Elie drained 3-pointer, Danny Ainge made free-throw he tried to intentionally miss and etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
And Hakeem had weird career. He had epic span from 1993-1995 when he peaked. He wasn't as great prior and after that. After 1995 his athleticism declined. Before 1993 his game wasn't polished enough
"You Bitch, Fuck You"
:rollin :rollin :lmao :lol
There is still so much I want to seeQuote:
Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
They left out
- Alonzo's elbow on Pippen in 1997 ECF
- Pippen to Malone "Mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays"
- Rodman marrying himself
- Kukoc break out in Game7 of 1998 ECF
- Pippen actually bricked game winner in OT of Game1 of 1998 Finals
- Bison Dele brought in
Off the top of my head.
Response to MJ's food poisoning
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AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
:lol “don’t say that to Scott Burrell you’re gonna scare the shit out of him”
:lmao this spun trashQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
lets go ahead and add bird, magic, dumars, isaiah, mchale, parish, kareem, worthy, dennis johnson, rodman, to MJs list of people who won in his era
perhaps we could also add shaq, kobe, timmy, robinson to MJs list as well, but he retired prematurely to get worked by them
:lol Jordan fanboysQuote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
BTW, calling it the Lebron Era when Duncan has more rings. :lol
LOL Yeah that was Shit.. Grainy Video and all.. Jesus..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Yet everybody and they mama got a turn to ring in LeBron’s Era. LeBron locked down the East. I locked down the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
If Anyone has ESPN Plus, and looking for something to watch, they put up some classic Bulls games..
1998 ECF Game 7
97 Finals Game 6
98 Finals Game 6
98 Finals Game 2
Also some from earlier years like 93 Knicks when MJ scored 54..
I mean goddamn. Andre Igoudala won a finals MVP in LeBron’s era. :lol
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Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
And in 2013 Danny Green was on the verge winning Finals MVP before Allen bailed out Lebron.
https://nbaobserver.wordpress.com/20...en-finals-mvp/
And there's Delonte West and Lebrons mother ummmm...ok I'll leave that one alone. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
But everyone ate in Lebron's era. Can anyone here imagine Jordan being outscored by Jet Terry in a Finals series?
Is ESPN + normally worth it when we aren't enduring a global pandemic ? Like 5 bucks a month right? Low cost has me thinking it's probably garbage under normal circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
Oh but he's the king right? I've been hearing that bullshit about him since he came into the league. So go ahead "king", take over early. Expectations are high for self proclaimed kings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
He got called for an offensive foul there :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
https://scontent.fiws1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...6d&oe=5EEA9F22
:lmao :lmao :lmao
Overall I would say no.. I got it because I watch a lot of UFC, but even then you have to pay for the ESPN PPV content. Some cool extra content is on there in other sports every once in a while..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
I think all those games are available on YouTube. Maybe not all in HD thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
What else is on there?
Well this is what they say LOL.. For me I just watch the UFC content really..Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
"Thousands of events from MLB, NHL, MLS, Serie A, FA Cup, Top Rank Boxing, and more. Plus, get UFC Fight Nights and PPV events, Grand Slam tennis, and access to your favorite college sports like football, basketball, and lacrosse"
Jordan was hung over
Grover sucks at lying :lol
Didn't food poisoning happen to Kobe in their 02 series vs the Kings? It's a feasible explanation. Kind of hard to buy a mob of delivery guys delivering one pizza and peering into the room though. If true, I'd have the pizza tossed. Why let him eat it if it's that suspicious?
The games were never broadcast in HD so HD footage from the NBC broadcasts doesn't exists. The true HD images you saw from the documentary were actually shot on high quality film and then digitally transferred to HD. If they wanted to, they could actually make it 4K resolution. But they only had a few cameras and some of the games/practices shot in film (most on floor angles, not normal broadcast angles), as opposed to crappy broadcast video from the era. A lot of the game footage was actually shot on IMAX film for the Jordan to the Max documentary that played in IMAX theaters.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
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Lebron ready to be Michael's sidekick
Maybe because Jordan is so competitive he wanted to prove he could still eat that pizzaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
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Originally Posted by lefty
I still think Hakeem would’ve beat the bulls if they met. Jordan’s bulls gets their matchups against PG driven offences (pretty much every team in that era. They struggle relatively against teams with good offensive centres. Ewing and the Knicks pushed the bulls to a few good series but Ewing isn’t a good enough passer. Smits and the pacers pushed the bulls to the limit but smits isn’t as good as those top tier players. Look at the sonics, even with Payton locking down Jordan they still lost in six and much of that was rodman shutting down kemp. As good as rodman was he will not be able to do that against Hakeem and the rockets will feast inside forcing the bulls to collapse the defense leading to wide open shots for the other guys (rockets game plan). At the other end mad max and Ellie will give Jordan all they’ve got but cassell and smith will abuse the Armstrong’s and Kerr’sQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
What shooters did the spurs have? A fossilized Steve smith?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Mario Elie, Jaren Jackson, Terry Porter, Steve Kerr, Danny Ferry.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
Before TP and Manu, it was a slow methodical game. Dump into into Tim or David(usually on high post) and wait for the double so you can shoot a jumper.
By the way I feel The Last Dance didn't have a lot of new footage
True, but the HD footage from a previous era really broght it to life. No VHS crap that you can barely see. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
And I learned some things I did not know. Steve Kerr's dad, Gus the security guy, details on Rodman's getaway, burning of your thoughts on the team and Jordan getting all sentimental and poetic. Scott Burrell being a human Pinata. And Pippen choosing to remain douchey surprised me.
:lol true the quality is much betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
I knew about Kerr's dad and Rodman's escapades
But I didn't know about Jordan actually going to knock on Rodman's door in that Las Vegas hotel , holy shit :lol
By the way forthose who say they weren't hugging or shaking hands after games back in the days, we saw plenty of that with Bird, Miller and Jordan in the arena hallways
Also Jordan was playing golf with Ainge or Barkley in the middlle of their playoff series
Here in Canada we had weekly episodes available on Netflix every Sunday a few hours after they have aired on ESPN (since ESPN is not officially available here)
In the US I think it will be on Netflix only in July
13 years old? eww lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Pelican
Well i heard that Rodman had an apt near the United center. And he had already returned from Vegas when Jordan got him out of his slumber.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
And yeah i saw pleasantries exchanged. Like a smile...how's your family...eff you bitch :lol. No mention of teaming up together to try and finally win something :lol. Also load management? Pippen played through a busted back. In this era they'd take 2 years off for that :lol
Jordan took 1.5 years off and was burned out after both threepeatsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
He benefited from load management:lol
As for Rodman I thought Jordan flew to the Vegas hotel where Rodman was staying
Then you probably never heard of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
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> "Shouts of “PLO, PLO . . . " and “Your father’s history,” and “Why don’t you join the Marines and go back to Beirut?” by a small group of students caused Kerr to sit down for a few minutes to regain his composure.
The taunting took place about a half-hour before game time, with only about 1,000 of the eventual crowd of 12,784 at Arizona State’s University Activity Center."
Kerr got emotional on the bench crying. Then hit 6-three pointers.
It's unfortunate that Ron Harper gets no love at all in this documentary. In his last year with the Clippers, he averaged 20.1 pts, 6.1 rebounds, 4.6 assists, and 1.9 steals per game.
He gave up most of that to be a 6'6" guy who focused on defense starting at PG beside Jordan & Pippen. I was explaining this to my girlfriend during that last episode as Stockton took his last second attempt at the end of Game 6-- and Bob Costas yells "Harper got a piece of it, Harper got a piece of it!" Every PG that faced the Bulls that year started against either a 6'6" SG (Harper or Jordan), or Pippen. That's one of the reasons their D was so great.
Mario Elie - 36 years old in 2000, left for one more year with Phoenix. Doesn't matter though, Duncan was hurt and the Spurs were booted off in the first round that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Jaren Jackson - He was done after the handchecking came in, became totally useless on the defensive end.
Terry Porter - 38 years old in 2002, he retired after that season.
Steve Smith - 32 years old in 2002, his shooting fell off a cliff the year after, and his post season play that year was embarrassing.
Danny Ferry - 35 years old in 2002, and he never had much of a prime and retired after 03. One of the greatest busts of all time.
Point is, other than Steve Smith, none of those players were expected to do much as shooters to open up the lane for the Spurs. They are not Mad Max, prime Elie, Cassell, Drexler, and the Jet. They are like the Scott Brooks and Pete Chilcutts.
Technically I think she got preggo at 12, she gave birth at 13, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Isitjustme?
Jordan's known for that. he pretended to be friends with Barkley so that the Chuckster would let his guard down, but called him a fat duck behind his back. He was friendly with Oakley when they were teammates in Chicago so that he can have a bodyguard, and stayed friendly with Oakley so that Oakley wouldn't demolish him in the paint like Laimbeer or Mahorn would. Russell did the same to Wilt and invited him over for dinners and stuff, but secretly hate the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
I'm not saying any of them were as good ad Drexler or Mad max. They were scrubs who shot open threes. Some of them, however, helped the Spurs win a title.
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Originally Posted by ambchang
lol why are you so butthurt by lebron? he didnt even proclaim himself the "king", it was a nickname local newspapers gave him in highschool that everyone continued to call himQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
he came into the league with the biggest expectations of any player ever, and has done nothing but live up to them and is pretty widely considered a top 5 player ever, despite still being in the midst of dominant years of his career. he may very well still compete for MVPs and championships for another 2-4 years, and even after that still probably be a top 10 player
idk what more you can ask of him. but apparently in your eyes, you want him to beat teams that far and away outmatch his. which btw he actually did in 2016 finals. MJ never did anything like that. now just to be fair, if we want to throw the dallas series out there, then okay those two series pretty much wash each other out. every other finals that lebrons teams were supposed to win, they won. the finals they should have lost, they lost. its pretty much the same with mike. he had no business losing any of the finals series, and they didnt lose any of them.
however it should be noted that two of lebrons finals losses, his teams had some pretty significant injuries. wade was dealing with injuries all year in 13-14, and was visibly playing hurt all through the playoffs. shane battier who was a frequent starter dealt with injuries though the year and missed some playoff games too. then in 14-15 as we know Kyrie and Love both were out for the finals. not sure why hes expected to beat a dominant 67 win team without his 2nd and 3rd options. if were gonna give MJ a pass for getting gangraped by the pistons in game 7 when scottie had his "migraine", or for getting swept by the magic and getting completely destroyed by penny on defense because he was "not himself", then we gotta give some passes to lebron too. the double standards are really pathetic.
How do they even have HD footage from the '90s? I thought that technology didn't exist at the time.
It existed it was just expensive as hell.
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Originally Posted by Arcadian
Neo, did the local newspaper guys hold him down and tattoo "Chosen1" on his back as well? :lol
I have said that in 2007 and even 2015 I do not hold those losses against him. Both those teams were extremly overmatched and in 2015 they put up a great effort, despite all that and that is to Lebron's credit.
But even so, still put's him with a losing Final's record of 3-4. Wade being banged up in 2014 is like Pippen throwing his back out in the 98 Finals and Rodman being bored and disinterested in anything outside of Carmen Electra. The Bulls still find a way behind their leader. This is what people have expected of Lebron since he is the "Chosen1" as his tattoo and nickname suggest.
I know you guys consider me a hater or whatever, but I really don't agree. I appreciate his talent and effort for what it is, but I am just baffled as to how anyone can honestly place him above Jordan. He's top 5, IMO. MJ, Kareem and Maybe Wilt and all the others are debatable.
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Originally Posted by Neo.
Yes. Also 7-2 Longley and 6-11 Kukoc. Except for Kerr they were all tall.Quote:
Originally Posted by R. DeMurre
That was no mistake. All those role players were tall/long, high IQ and could hit the open jumper. It was a system.
Harper went onto start for the 2000 Lakers
What are your thoughts on the triangle offense? Overrated or did it actually aid the Bulls and Lakers in their title quests?
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Originally Posted by FrostKing
2011 Finals is where he lost any chance at being in the conversationQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
In my experience watching NBA for over 25 years - newer players will arrive. They will be even more enamored and entitled. People will realize that last guy actually wasn't so evil and will cherish him. Happened to me with Shaq and then KobeQuote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
But then Lebron will no longer get that current player hype. There will be a new guy proclaimed the next Jordan and Lebron will slide down the totem pole to his rightful place. Until then we cannot fully reflect on his career.
I am no triangle expert. We had a little exchange on here about it recently and almost all said Triangles influence was overstated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
I think it was not as needed in LAL because they had 2 elite scorers. Especially one in the post.
In Chicago the goal was to not allow defenses to zero in on MJ. I do believe it played a vital part. Likely the reason why Rodman's offensive deficiencies were masked. Rodman benefited on the boards because the offenses constant movement resulted in defenders out of position when the ball went up. Bulls also had a ton of assists in mid air - Jordan/Pippen went up for a shot but instead hit a cutter for an easy basket.
I read Kukoc AMA on reddit recently, he said Phil forced new arrivals to take a 10 question quiz on the triangle. Until this quiz was passed they would not play. Toni admitted he struggled but Pippen helped him grasp.
Those 2011 Mavs swept the 2 time defending champions Lakers and then beat a talented OKC team but people seem to forget that :lol
Not to mention nobody was stopping Dirk that year and the Mavs Zone D was fantastic
Carlisle is an underrated genius. I watched him throw that weird zone at teams all year long and confuse the hell out of everybody because it would suddenly morph into man, then back to zone. You really didn't know what hit you in the 4th quarters of games. Very unpredictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
I’ve always rated him highlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Yeah I agree with you on the LAL. Didn't think the triangle was a great offense for a team with a dominant center. It amost canceled out Shaq at times.
And there were guys who played in it for a year or two and never really got it. Gary Payton said something to the effect that he never really got the offense, didn't like it in 2004 and just played basketball the way he knew how.
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Originally Posted by FrostKing
also not self proclaimed, that originated with SIQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
him taking a name and running with it to build his brand, is not remotely the same as a self-proclamation
1) pippen having a hurt back for a single game is not in the same league as wade playing hurt for an entire playoff runQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
2) utah wasnt even close to being on the bulls level. the spurs were clearly the better basketball team over miami that entire season
not a hater, just oddly butthurt and obsessed with him considering you find some way to include him in every conversation possible, just for the sake of insulting him. its pretty weird tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
i think its an extremely small minority of people who place him above jordanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
so id say its reasonable to believe that he has lived up to expectations, which were high. and hes still not done yet. he may well add another title or two, mvp, and overtake kareem for the all time points record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
2016 put him right back in the discussionQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
far better than anything you did
Horace Grant went HAM on Dad Killer over this docuseries :lol
funny thing is, since lebron, no one has been proclaimed or even talked about as "the next Jordan", because Bron ended that conversation in 2 waysQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
1) he lived up to his hype, something no one compared to mike (other than Kobe, who didnt have anywhere NEAR the hype lebron had) was able to do
2) he made it abundantly clear that its ridiculous to compare anyone to mike, because you dont have to play the same way mike did, to be great and dominant. plus, the one guy who actually was jordanesque (Kobe) was pretty clearly surpassed in greatness by lebron years ago.
regardless, yes people will likely have a different feel about him when he retires, but i really dont think it will hurt him. often times it helps a player, because people start to really look at his body of work, instead of his recent work, or nitpicking at small moments. lebrons body of work is truly magnificent.
Yeah I saw thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Will Hunting
Not afraid of the Nike snipers tbh :lol
It’s pretty indisputable how much of a piece of shit human being DK is tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Leonard might change all this. He is already proclaimed the closest current copy to Jordan. If he delivers the Clippers their first title while eliminating Lebron along the way. Dann that would be crippling for Lebron's legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
But as it currently stands, your viewpoint is shared by the majority.
Fuck that insecure petty posQuote:
Originally Posted by Will Hunting
:cry he elevated his game against legend Hornacek, what a hero
And now we're back at Jordan was a meanie :cry
i dont think it would cripple lebrons legacy, as opposed to simply increasing leonards dramaticallyQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
lebrons is pretty much cemented as a top 5 in most peoples minds. his career isn't remotely done, yet hes already built a resume of accomplishments that only mike and kareem have outdone at this point. virtually no amount of losses can change or take away from that.
He sounds pretty salty tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Will Hunting
Lebron's legacy sits on two foundationsQuote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
- Longevity
- Finals appearances
Those are less stable arguments than short term dominance or all time winner. Sports medicine is improving and the East is not improving.
Imagine if Zion had been drafted by the Knicks. Zion already had a superior statistical season than Lebron's rookie season. Now all he would need to do is guide them to the playoffs and he out does Lebron's rookie season in that department. My point being few consider Lebron an all time dominant player or all time winner. His accomplishments are not very safe and will diminish over time. He badly needs that 4th title in LA.
LeBron had Wade and Bosh, yet still ended up playing the worst out of those three. Getting duked up by a 4’11 whitey.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
If he comes up with 2 more rings with LA I think he is cemented top 5...maybe cemented #2 depending on how he gets those rings. And placing him in the GOAT conversation becomes much more realistic. Unfortunately for him, Kawhi is a big road block. Dont see any of that happening unless Davis turns the corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
In an era of no hand checking got shut down by Jason Terry and Shawn Marion.
And yeah Wade still found a way to shoot 54% from the field against those Mavs while LeBron was shooting 60% from the free throw line and was scared to touch the ball in the 4th quarter
jason terry didn't even guard himQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Lowest usage rate out of the big 3, yet led with the most turnovers.
Oh that’s right. Is Deshawn Stevenson even still in the NBA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
it's also well documented that Carlisle's gameplan was to focus the majority of defensive attention on LeBron with constant help defense, and let Wade have whatever he wantedQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
It’s funny cuz handchecking was called back then especially on Jordan
:lol Jordan hated zone defensw, he wouldn’t have struggled too against the 2011 MavsQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Because Jordan never disappeared in 4th quarters during the playoffsQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Oh wait he did and against shittier defenses:lol
getting duked up by an alien
Oh yah, if he has 5 rings to go along with most longevity records. He is in the GOAT discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
A 4th ring which is 50/50 chance, would firmly put him above Shaq & Kobe for me. Titles with 3 separate franchises is impressive
As of now. 3 rings? Doesn't move the needle for me. Still in the Hakeem, Shaq, and Kobe group. With Leonard fast approaching