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Getting locked down by a 38 year old half white man :lol
A meanie who got his dad killed :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Gotdayum an 8 point finals game :rollin
James Jordan : « everything Michael knew about winning, he got that from me »Quote:
Originally Posted by Will Hunting
MJ in The Last Dance interview : « at that point it became personal to me »
:lol outscored by Pastor Danny Ainge in an elimination gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
:lol also had 2 points in the 4th quarter of an elimination game
:lol also scored 1 point in the 4th quarter of an elimination game
:lol and that was against shittier defenses
Was this the same series Kawhi shot 61% from the floor and 57% from three on that goon?
Kawhi is much better than any player Jordan was matched up againstQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
He would have murdered MJ tbh
8 point finals game :lmao
Too much of a pussy to drive past Kidd :lmao
:lol comparing Ainge to KiddQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Let’s face it today’s Warriors would have obliterated MJ
Like how they obliterated LeBron in 2015 when he shot 39% against them?Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Damn, Bron averaged 3 points a game in the 4th quarters that series against Dallas?
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Nah it would have been much worse for MichaelQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
:lmao got his ass kicked on offense and defense that series by Iggy
Iggy is better than any defender Jordan has ever faced :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
90s defense :lol
Plumbers and math teachers :lol
Now log into your main djohn and tell us about how Hakeem's Rockets could have taken down Jordan's bulls during the years Jordan didn't play
Rodman was much better than Iggy. You are having some difficulties in this discussion :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Rodman was guarding Jordan full time and every night?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Looks like you're the one having troule
Most of the time MJ was directly matched up against undersized unathletic guards with shitty defensive fundamentals :lol
And grocery baggers :lmao
I like Lebron more than most. At least around here. But I think he has had enough chances to get in this GOAT Conversation. That's why he is so desperate to get this season going again, to get that 4th ring, and get closer in the GOAT Talk. But 9 finals appearances. He's had enough chances to get in that conversation. Giannis is someone I have my eye on as maybe having that level of potential. Of course he has to kick down the wall, and win a ring first..Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Undrafted players (plumbers, math teachers and a drug addict) in this era.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Fred Van Vleet. 17.6 ppg and 6.6 APG
JJ Barea -- diced up Lebron and MIA
Birdman
Jeremy Lin -- living proof this era is overrated and inflated with meaningless stats
Reggie - watch your nuts - Evans :lol
Wes Matthews - This era's 3-D John Starks
Udonis Haslem -- long time starter and double double guy early on
And the list goes on and on and on....
I recall Kobe got Room Service and it was a bad hamburger.. Why is there is no Room Service at this Hotel in Utah? And WTF did Grover feed Michael for dinner, that at 10:30 he is so hungry he needs to eat a whole Pizza? And Utah Pizza yuck.. Chicago Pizza is awesome, just like NY Pizza.. Jordan was really fucking hungry...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Yes, Giannis and if Kawhi can load management his way into enough rings he can get in there too.
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Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
:lol seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
That pizza story is just all around wack.
I did watch the game last night, and yeah he is sick for sure.. His body language, and facial expressions said it all.. But what a virtuoso performance. Jordan was ridiculous..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Yeah it was pretty incredible. Made Jordan even more iconic which I didn't even know was possible at the time.
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Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
And role players talk trash to him and rattle him. :lol Never happened with Kobe or Jordan.
"They keep sticking him [James] on Jet in the fourth quarters and he's been doing a good job," Nowitzki said. "Jet hasn't really been a crunch-time, clutch player for us the way we need him to."
Added Terry: "Let's see if [James] can defend me like that for seven games."
Shots fired^^^
Lebron's response:
8 points in game 4
Terry, 0 time all star's follow up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMY6cqd8al0
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Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
James Harden > Jordan
This thread is Lefty's 2011 Finals
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Originally Posted by FrostKing
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
:lmao Gotdayum
The 2011 Mavs would have skullfucked the 90s Bulls tbh :lol
90s NBA :lol
:lol killing lefty’s dreams
Please :lol
Your so called GOAT green lit the documentary right after Lebron beat the Warriors in 2016 :lol
Even he knows Lebron is better :lol
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Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
:cry David Stern please change te rules
:cry thePistons are mean
:cry do it or I'll retire
:cry pls
Michael Jordan, 1990 :lmao
8 points in the finals :lol
LMFAO :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
This thread is now immortalized.
He knew a lot of ignorant dimwits exist and needed a history lessonQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
And it was effective as even the youngsters now know who the real top dog is, according to ESPN'S poll.
Had home court and got his shit pushed in by Dwight and co
Game 6 the movie tonight on ESPN, not sure exactly what it is but ill check it out tbh
YES! Unfortunately I have to recordQuote:
Originally Posted by 140
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tom brady literally isnt the best ever at anything but hes clearly the goat QBQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
joe montana isnt the best ever at anything and he previously was the goat QB
by this criteria, then dennis rodman and steph > lebron, kobe, timmy, shaq, amongst others
more like his severe insecurities, which is even more evident now that basically everyone who either played in those eras, or played on his teams are talking about how BS the documentary actually was :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Who's everyone, though?
Haven't heard any negativity from Kerr, Paxson, Rodman, Cartwright, Wennington, Phil or even Scott Burrell.
No clarification on Pippen being butthurt -- just "sources say"(probably CNN which is no source :lol). Even so, it's not like what was reported about him was false.
Horace Grant is the guy I hear chirping the loudest, and he was called a snitch, so I get why he is salty.
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Originally Posted by Neo.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/last-danc...194218593.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
okay i used hyperbole sure, but still cartwright, harper, hodges, and rodman all werent pleased with some of the portrayals, in addition to pippen (according to a pretty well respected ESPN reporter), and grant.
point is, the documentary portrayed it all as if he singlehandedly carried a bunch of trash teammates and pippen (who outside of a few moments here and there, was generally portrayed as an above average player) and had absolutely no flaws whatsoever, leaving out basically anything that could potentially be damning to his legacy. not to mention that clearly fabricated pizza story :lmao
Interesting... did not know some others outside of Horace were voicing an opposing opinion about the docuseries.
I'll say this, I agree with Horace when he says why did they show Pippen refusing to enter the game in 94 when Jordan wasn't even on the team. Just did not seem necessary in hindsight. But Jordan does have a history of unnecessarily trashing people so it is not surprising.
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Originally Posted by Neo.
So what is LeBron the GOAT at? Certainly not winning like BradyQuote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
Pippen's refusal to reenter only looks bad 25 years later because of Pippen's confusing response
To me it illustrated the Bulls coping without their shot maker. It also illustrated how the once passive Pippen was now hungry for the moment. And ofcourse Kukoc's development
If Scottie had just stated he felt disrespected at the time because he wanted to lead the Bulls to glory. But saying he would do it all over again showed lack of development.
Montana and Brady are by far the most clutch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
Which LeBron fails at yet againQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Aka Bulls vs the Utah A&M community college astrology club :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
I was surprised by his answer tbh
I would take Marino over all of them. Never really had a good defense or reliable running game. Always expected to turn water into wine. Kept a bad team competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Anyone watching Hornacek burying pullup 3's? That's soooo today's NBA. He couldn't make it today right? :lol
offensive creationQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
help defense
all-around game
you could easily argue no one is better at any of those than him
oh and since we want to talk intangibles, leading mediocre teams far beyond whats expected of them
skills were originally mentioned, not intangiblesQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
literally the biggest load of crapQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Yes but he really laid an egg in 2nd Half of most of the biggest games of his career. I think his stubbornness and too self-confident got the better of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Yeah thought the same :lol Funny how he's one of bronsexuals poster boys when theyre trying to discredit the 90s tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Bron is a GOAT at losing with home court advantage
He can shoot but that frane isn’t enough son :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
:lol Terry Rozier would kill him with one tap
:lol Jeff running back on defense looks like a middle aged lesbian from Southern Indiana trying to catch her bus
Which goes back to the original point that the bulls wouldn’t be able to handle the rockets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Those players that helped the spurs win was when they could still hit a shot (Elie and Jackson) of which were unplayable after handchecking was outlawed. Danny Ferry had one good game the entire 2003 playoffs. Nobody game plans for him. I’d be surprised if he was even mentioned on a scouting report.
Rozier wouldn't be allowed to touch him. Everything is a foul now. And scrubs like Trae Young can avg 30 :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Trip over your own shoe laces now and they have to stop the game and look at the replay from 10 different angles.
Oh and Plenty of meatheads in the 90s. And they could actually rough you up then...and dorky looking Hornacek still busted their asses if you laid off him.
Damn, MJ the GOAT. But that's one petty MOFO if I ever saw one. :lol
Also, lol at that bullshit about food poisoning. All these years they sold us the "flu" and now they chance the story. Hangover theory confirmed, tbh. :lol
It was food poisoning. I don’t know why it didn’t get brought up in the main stream media back then, but I just re-watched the 1997 finals game 6. Ahmad Rashad joked with his initial report on the status of Michael Jordan that he was feeling better, but should eat a slice of bad pizza, try to play sick. Jordan said “Bad Idea” So that food poisoning story is true. Jordan obviously had a gambling problem, but he’s not going out and getting completely fucking wasted before an NBA finals game. That’s not happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
i dont think he got wasted either, but its really crappy of them to try to hint that the pizza was purposely tainted by utah guys, and to put together that ridiculous story of 5 guys delivering a pizza and acting shadyQuote:
Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
if something shady was being done, no retard on earth would send 5 delivery guys
even if ANY of it were true, then its their own fault for identifying the fact that it was a pizza for michael jordan
I remember the food poisoning story line at the time. I think the NBA went with "flu" because players being poisoned is a poor reflection on their sport/fans. Did anyone buy an athlete in top physical shape catching the flu in the middle of the summer? I considered it could have been some sort of allergic reaction.
Not on purpose, but what if he didn't think he was getting wasted and had just one too many, while playing poker, without realizing? Yeah, it sounds crazy and unprofessional, but I also never thought that Jordan would wake up and drink a couple of beers and smoke a cigar the morning of the day of game 1 of the finals, and that's apparently exactly what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
Also, food poisoning doesn't go away after 1 day. After that Utah game, Jordan was supposedly all fine and dandy to go to practice the next day to prepare for game 6.
It was defo hangoverQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Grover can’t lie to save his life
Hangover from partying in Utah? Where exactly
You know he can take a private plane and party elsewhereQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Or have a private party on his hotel room
I mean he did drink 2 beers in the morning on game days
The Jordan-Lebron shit is especially dumb since you don't have to reach as high as Lebron to make the comparison:lol there are many others in between that would have had similar or equivalent success to Jordan with the same circumstance. He did all his winning at a time where he didn't have to compete against many players of note on the perimeter on either side of the ball, and when he actually did, he had Scottie to defend for him.
He didn't win a single thing when other great teams were around. It wasn't until Bird was washed, Magic was at the end of his run and the Pistons were old. He couldn't even reach the playoffs in the worst East in NBA history when the league received an influx of perimeter talent.
Definitely win 6 rings with the same circumstances: Durant, Kobe, Wade, Bird, Kawhi
Between 3-6: Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Paul Pierce, Jimmy Butler, McGrady, Paul George, Vince Carter, Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen
At least a couple: Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Iverson, Ginobili, Grant Hill, Bernard King
I'm probably forgetting a bunch, as well.
Damn, Black Trump is ALSO a snitch??!?! Not just a petty snitch, but a fucking Karen.
Dude is such a fuckin girl.
Dude is just like Trump, he even has a giant cult of really, really stupid fans that will buy his shit no matter what.
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
i view the 90s bulls similar to the 80s 49ers
for years, NFL teams were built to run the ball, and stop the run, along with the occasional deep pass. when the west coast offense that the 49ers ran came into play, teams simply didn't have the right defensive personnel to match up with them, and they completely dominated a decade. but nowadays, almost no one bothers running the west coast offense, because defenses have figured it out and are built to prevent it.
likewise, the NBA was built around point guards who controlled the game to get the ball down low to big men and low post scorers. the bulls were a very different animal, generally being smaller than most teams, more focused on wing players, precise off-ball movement, and 2-way versatility. teams generally werent built to match up with them. the ones that actually could, gave them problems, despite being noticeably less talented teams (knicks, pacers).
nowadays, the entire NBA is pretty much built on wing players. the league is built to match up with teams built the way the bulls were.
thats not to say that those bulls teams wouldnt have success in todays league, they absolutely would. however, lets plug them in for an 8 year stretch during some of lebrons best years from 2009-2017, and take lebrons teams out of the equation. due to matchups, i have a hard time believing the bulls win 6 in 8 years, while having to combat the dynasty spurs, dynasty warriors, along with near-dynasty celtics and lakers (if not for injuries, a case could be made that either team should have 3-peated from 08-10). and thats with the bulls being completely healthy, lets not even factor in the injuries miami dealt with in 2014, or cleveland had in 2015, or the departure of kyrie in 2017. :lmao at the thought of mike beating KD or Steph warriors without pippen, or a dynasty spurs team (with a brilliant gameplanning coach in pop) with pippen on one leg
LeBron won what Pierce and KG were around? The bitch had to join Wade and Bosh to get around them and still got his ass waxed by Jason Terry and a dwarf in the finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Got his shit pushed in by Dwight in the ECF WITH home court. LeBron wasn’t and isn’t shit without Wade Bosh and Kyrie
But we shall look at the numbers 👀
2008-2009 Cavs: Finished 1st in defense, 13th offense. Gets home court, loses as the One seed to the Magic, who finished 10th on offense and 6th on defense.
2009-2010 Cavs: Finished 9th on offense, 6th in defense. Loses as the One seed yet again with home court to Boston, who finished 19TH IN OFFENSE
2010-2011 Heat: Finished 8th on Offense and 6th in defense. Dallas finishes 11th in offense 10th on defense. Another team where LeBron’s has advantages. Yet lost again with home court.
“But but LeBron had no help” :cry
You are ignoring all the heavy lifting it required to reach that point. The crushing losses the tens of thousands of hours in practice, the physically fighting teammates and burning personal bridges it took to Win. Instead you fast forward straight to - put on shorts and lace up sneakers stageQuote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Durant you can cross right off considering he bolted on OKC with his own Pippen on the team. The crap LeBron gets, Durant essentially bolted the Chicago Bulls to play on the Lakers.
Kobe and Bird - yes. They have the skills, drive and demeanor
Wade - seems too buddy buddy with his teammates
Leonard - 3rd best option on your list. Just not sure he has the explosive game changing skills to draw in players early in career like Jordan did. Plus he seems too shy and lead by example type
Some people seem to only see the big picture - 6/6 titles. But there were several lucky breaks that made this happen such as Jordan taking a break for 1 year. Rodman becoming available. Kukoc arriving and agreeing to stunt his one growth for the teams success.
- If the 1980s 49ers existed today they would have the best offensive player in the League (Rice) and best defensive player in the League (Lott). That is a significant advantage. Craig would fit right in, Top 5 RBQuote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
The 49ers had arguably a better offense in the 90s but didn't win as many Titles because their defense was weaker. Most their losses in the 80s were the result of defense failing them
- If 90s Bulls existed today, they would have the 2 best perimeter defenders in a perimeter dominated Era. So the Bulls would be even better today. Look at the teams the Bulls struggled against - dominant front courts. That no longer exists
Duncan's Spurs (Bowen/Leonard and Manu,Parker) and Shaq's Lakers are the two teams I would avoid. All the rest had inferior players and/or significant weaknesses that could be exploited. 2008 Celtics would be interesting. Alot of depth and Ray Allen still elite player.
:lmao :lmao :lmao okQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
rice is arguable, but :lmao at lott being the best defensive player in the league today and roger craig being a top 5 rb :lmao
mmm one could definitely argue that the clippers alone have two better perimeter defenders, not even including the rest of the NBAQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
plus mike/pippen were arguably the best wing defenders in a era that was pretty weak on wing players, and the few good ones they faced, they got ate alive regularly just like anyone else.
they pretty much beat all the teams they faced with dominant front courts, because their mismatches outweigh the frontcourt mismatches, the same way the warriors did for the past 4 years, or miami did for their 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
the one thing the bulls didnt really face, were teams with multiple legit wing/perimeter threats to match up with mike/scottie, like the warriors, miami, or cleveland over the past 10 years. id love to have gotten a chance to see how they face teams that force both of them to defend elite players at the same time, instead of taking turns on one guy
What's wrong with Craig in Top 5? He is ideal for today. Excellent receiver out of backfield and strong blocker. RB is weak these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
Of those three teams, Bosh is by far the best post player. Rodman would eat the boards. That spells feast or famine for these teams reliant on outside shooting. Irving chucking against 6'6 Harper. Who guards Kukoc?
Pippen was a late bloomer. Classic self doubter. Especially since he came from a gigantic family.
Perfect combo for each other
Just finished watching. Post final whistle, shots of initial reaction and then celebration is memorable. The quality is top notch. Inside the huddle content. Presentation is stripped down and I love that. The camera angle is slightly different so odd at first but more up close. Reminds me of NBA Live.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Are you buying the pizza story?
Agree on the quality of the footage. My goodness, I am longing for more HD memories from the 90's now.
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Originally Posted by FrostKing
Hell no, Tim Grover looked like he was being held at gun point :lol
I'm not buying it. Jordan is a classic manipulator. What better way to further his legend than to pretend he's sick and then come out and BOOOOOOOM. Oh I'm still sick. But I'm still Michael Jordan!!!! YEEEEEAWWWWWW!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Not sure why the pizza story is such a big deal. It came out back then. It’s really nothing new.
I do doubt the bunch of shady guys lining up at the hotel room door though. Would be retarded for the entire troop to allow Jordan to eat that pizza in such circumstances.
If the ridiculous pizza story is true, then Jordan surrounded himself with incompetent buffoons. Or maybe they wanted him to get sick.
5. Rodman
4. Kukoc
3. Pippen
2. Jordan
1. Harper
Phil Jackson
Tex Winter
Jerry Krause
The whole "let's try to imagine what would happen if Jordan played in the 2010s/Lebron played in the 90s" is stupid. There are too many variables, many of which are impossible to account for, for that thought experiment to be useful at all. All we can do is compare what they actually did relative to their competition.
2009 - Not LeBron's fault. Mo Williams was second best player on the team. LJ was dominant in RS and Playoffs. 38.5 8.3 8.0 against Orlando. How can you blame LeBron for loss? Kobe had superior team and was less efficient and productive against same team in the FinalsQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
2010 - Cavaliers were outplayed by superior team. Plain and simple. Rondo, Garnett, Allen, Pierce, great bench against Mo, Jamison and corpse of Shaq.
LeBron would be my GOAT if he could beat 2010 Celtics. And then he was going to face Lakers both times who were on Celtics' level. If LeBron had gone 3-0 against these teams he should be crowned as GOAT of North American sports period.
2011 - LeBron's fault. No excuses.
Were the 2014 Heatles good enough to win or did Lebron need more help?
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Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
The Spurs were just betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale