Nice deflection :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
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Nice deflection :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
LeBron had enough help in 2014.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
But nobody perfect. Let's look at MJ. From 1990 he had enough help. He lost 1990. From 1991-1998 even more than enough because every year except 1995 he had better team from 2-15 than other team's best player. He had one of if not the best coaching staff in the league. Before that he was beaten just like every superstar player.
yet, LeBron was two shots away from being 1-8 in the finals. Not dominant at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
Agree. He was 2 shots away from being 1-8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
But what is dominance? Finals record? I don't think so. When I rate players, I don't care about things like Finals record. Impact on games is all that matters.
It seems to take star players take at least 6-7 years to lead their teams to titles. For Jordan, it was 7 and Lebron, I think 9 years. You must admit those bulls teams were sorry as hell when he arrived. Dave Corzine :lol Looked like Lebron's early Cavs teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
In 1990 that bulls team just wasn't ready. So I do not penalize them for not advancing. Pippen still had growing up to do, same with Grant. They were both only in their 3rd year. This wasn't a situation like Lebron had when he stepped into a loaded team with mature superstars like FMVP Wade and Bosh. Agree with you on 91-98...Bulls were clearly better than everyone when Jordan played and they had a rebounder like Grant or Rodman.
It certainly helps your case. Duncan being 5-1--- damn near 6-0 is significant and factors into his all time ranks, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
Are the bulls planning a 30 year reunion for their 91 title team?
Would love to see Jordan there with Hodges, Pippen, Grant and everyone else he pissed off in the docuseries :lol
Let's make it clear. I believe that MJ a little better than LeBron but ... Bulls front-office did a terrific job of building the team around Michael. Cavs management couldn't do the same. Media, fans started to question Lebron lack of rings. In these circumstances LeBron had to abandon the ship. If he didn't, he could of repeat KGs fate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
What if Bulls didn't draft Pippen? What if MJ got traded to Clippers or Spurs for Robinson? How many rings for MJ? What if Pistons or Heat had 1st pick in 2003? Players can't control that. That's why I think rings should be irrelevant in GOAT discussions.
I actually don't blame him much for leaving CLE that first time. It's how he did it that made him look like a dbag.
And we can talk about rings and how much they actually mean. Dirk's 1 ring to me is more valuable than KD's 2. And it was more impressive than 2 of Lebron's 3.
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Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
Jordan would have bolted if Krause didn’t build that team around him
If Lebron had stayed in Cleveland, he would have stumbled into atleast another title. So his record would be 2-7 or 2-8. That is not too far off 3-6. He should have just stayed in Cleveland
Losing in 5 games to an opponent he defeated the year before is a poor reflection on Lebron
He did it twice
Jordan would have been obliterated by both pre-Durant and Durant Warriors :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Nostalgia goggles :lol
Warriors have no answer for KukocQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Still get skullfucked by GS :lol
lefty
He had to go. Dude was going to eliminate Dad Killer from the playoffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ANvDMKS56A
Yeah that’s very suspiciousQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Petro did work on DeJordan and talked trash to him everytime
Stern didn’t like that
A camera crew at a car crash scene in the middle of nowhere? It's not like DP was Princess Di.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Jordan : “at that point, it became personal to me”Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Stern : “say no more”
Stern probably had some friends in the CIA. Dude's a serious POS.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
He also told the Soviets to prevent Sabonis from joining Portland in his prime and got rid of Lewis and BiasQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Wouldn’t be surprised if he gave Magic AIDS and sent thugs to break Larry’s body
Had to protect his cash cow
they also had no answer for lebron or kyrie, yet were so much better of a team as a whole that it didnt matter, they won in 5Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
and lets not act like the bulls have answers for steph klay and KD. if you have mike and pip running themselves ragged chasing steph and klay, that plays right into what they want their opponent to do
Klay is your typical 90s shooting guardQuote:
Originally Posted by Neo.
Durant would be guarded by Pippen and Rodman
Curry is arguably the Warriors best angle in this matchup. He has the height to not be fully suffocated
GS needs prime Bogut to go along with Durant but they are from different times
Except that Klay os a better shooter than your typical 90s shooting guardQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
He is also a better defender than your typical 90s shooting guard
Pippen and Rodman never had to guard anyone like KD
Guy who lives off mid range jumpers?Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Klay = Majerle
Durant can create his own shot , go to the rim , shoot 3s and 2s, what the fuck are you talking about? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
And thinking that stiff Majerle = Klay :lmao
Klay = Majerle is a good comparison. Both have/had incredible range. Both are good defenders. Klay is more agile bot not by a whole lot. He's not exactly Russell Westbrook in that dept himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
KD has never been roughed up the way 90's guys were allowed to do either.
You think that mental midget wouldn't be shook by all that? :lol
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Originally Posted by lefty
I think lefty should take a look at Klay Thompson’s defensive ratings before making that dumb comment again
He’s worse than Harden
Klay is a much better shooter and a much better defender, I don’t know what the fuck you jave been watchingQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Please :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
The NBA wasn’t more physical than it is now
:lol you guys have been brainwashed by those “tuff physical 90s defense” compilation videos and “Michael Jordan : Come Fly With Me” tapes :lol
And Jordan was soft as fuck “David Sturm, Pistons are mean to me” :cry :lmao
Majerle could drain it from further. With reps, he would be 25 ppg in today's NBA easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
He was a little too gun shy in the 93 finals for his own good. If he had gotten Clay's reps that would not have been the case.
Aggressive. You want to go down with this modern ship?Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
IIRC TNT and other national outlets touted Lewis's issues as congenital.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
No mention whatsoever of cocaine. Of course the CIA doesn't always have
their tentacles in the local news outlets, who reported the cocaine in his system.
But yea, there was definitely a propaganda campaign afoot.
I didn't learn of this until decades later.
Those fuckers threw him out so much like trash that they buried him in an unmarked grave, even.
Majerle could hit the occasional long 3 but he was very inconsistent and it’s not like he was always making them from logo range like they are doing todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
And he fell off a cliff very quickly
Klay is way more consistent and unlike Dan he didn’t need to to be squared to the basket
Klay can catch and shoot quickly with a defender in his grill and with his body turned away from the basket
Majerle wouldn’t average 25 ppg today because:
- he is too streaky
- he wouldn’t play enough minutes to score 20 because he would be a total liability on defense
He was streaky because his reps were inconsistent. Suns didn't even run any damn plays for him. It was all about getting Barkley his MVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Eh great shooters figure it outQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
He didn’t
He was shooting 38 3FG in 93 despite having no plays and consistently shooting from 7 ft behind the line because the Suns spacing sucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
I'd say he'd "figure it out" in the Warriors system.
Klay is a better shooter, the tapes don’t lieQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
He's about 4 3FG% better shooting on the line with plays for him, better spacing, illegal screens; and playing along side one of the best three shooters of all-time opening it up further for him (Majerle had midrange KJ :lol) etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
That's what the tapes will show ma nigga.
Nah bro he can hit difficult shotsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Go rewatch game 6 vs OKC, he was well. defended and hit quick difficult catch and shoot 3s, some of them without even being squared up to the badket
Majerlol never had a playoff performance like that in the postseason :lol
His best playoff game? Wiiiiide open 3s - since you brought this up - against Seattle in 93 :lmao
By the way 1993 is the only year where he shot the 3 well during the playoffs
He struggled in 94 and 95 and later with Miami, missing a lot of opeeeeeeeen 3s :lmao
Klay is also a way better FT shooter
Son, the tape don’t lie
Lefty shook by Dan the ManQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
It's Thunder Dan, show some respeck!Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Pip be like
:rollin :lmao :rollin
LMFAOQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
next tell us the one about goldilocks and the 3 little bears :lol
Consistent reps make a difference as basketball is a rhythm sport, lefty... Ask any shooter. Put Majerle in this era and the numbers are similar because he's getting more looks.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
I sharedQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Lets be honest without Michael, Scottie isn't a Dream Teamer
Soft callsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Handchecking calls
Flopping
It happened in the 80s and 90s
:lol what a shit overrated era
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Are you a Curry & Durant in the Top 10 trutherQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Trae Young -- Allstar and 30 ppg scorer.
Also Trae Young with Hawks - 20-47 record. :lol
The NBA is not inflated with meaningless stats or anything :lol
Stat padding happens in any era in any sportQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Jordan was a stat padder before Pippen
Gervin was a stat padder
Oscar Robertson was a stat padder
Wertbrook is a stat padder
Lionel Messi is a stat padder
But yeah Trae Young is hard to watch; I get that the one motion jump shot gives more range and accuracy , but in Trae's case he shoots lthe rock like a WNBA player :lol
He also looks like Matt Barnes had sex with Peter Dinklage :lol
Mike was 1-9 in the playoffs without Scottie. Shhhhhh!Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
No no no!Quote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Michael willed his team to victories !!!!!!!
He didn't need Pippen what are you talking about?
According to ESPN/Netflix, Space Jam and Nike he won games and titles by playing 1 vs 5 !!!!!!
Haven't you seen his mean game faces?
Haven't you seen highlight videos of Jordan overcoming mafia hitmen, cartel snipers and macheteros EVERYTIME he touched the ball?
Stop posting, KID !
John Clawd Van damn! :rollin :lmao :rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Mike played with 120lb crack heads prior to Pippen :lol
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Originally Posted by LkrFan
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
I read at one forum that 80s and 90s NBA was more physical and violent than modern NFL. Another gem was that basketball was as tough as kickboxing. That level of delusion
Mike also played against 120 lbs crackheadsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
To make matter worse ... https://youtu.be/cpwv7cB6-Qs?t=56Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Most of the league's crackheads were on the bull's roster.
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Originally Posted by lefty
Prob wearing Jordans as you post thisQuote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
No, that's waste of moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
You aren’t allowed to touch a defender In today’s NB:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by lefty
7:38 onward -- class dismissed. Enjoy your holiday :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97mny---OMk
LeBron is 1-8 in the finals without Kyrie and Ray Allen, two lesser players than ScottieQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Lest we forget, LeBron got his shit worked on defense by Dwert Howard, a nigga with no post game.
First of all that’s not really true, watch a playoff gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
It’s better defense today , that relies on footwork, reading the offense, athleticism and mobility
Team defenses are also much better and versatile today, and for a slsher going against the zone is much harder than going ISO.
ISOball era :lol
Anybody can handcheck and grab, it doesn’t require any skill :lol
:lol yesterday’s NBA “defense”
:lol holy shitQuote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
:lmao WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT ? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
90s defense :lmao
Christ almighty. Without Wade, Bosh, and Kyrie, LeBron’s finals win loss record is 2-8 :lmao
Without Phil and Pip, MJ's second round record is 0-0Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
No wait, it’s 2-12 :lmao
Wade is a top 10-15 player of all time. Better than Pippen.Quote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
Then again I don’t remember LeBron making the playoffs at all his first two years
95-96 Pippen easily better than any version of Wade LeBron played with except 2010-2011
1on1 Era was clearly more difficult to defend. Now whether Hero ball is more attractive for the common fan is debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
That is why Leonard is dominating today. He's a strong 1on1 player.
1. LeBron was 19 as a rookie, MJ was 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
2. At 20 years old Lebron averaged 27-7-7 in NBA. At 20 years old MJ was being destroyed in NCAA without Team Leader Worthy.
3. It's tough to make playoffs with 38-44 record like someone did in 1984-85 season.
Pretty cool how I’ve never lost to a lower seeded team in the playoffs ever. Unlike LeBron, who has managed to do this 4 times.
Yet I made the playoffs my first year. LeBron didn’t. Not for 2 years. Whoops.Quote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
You are too good to hide behind team accomplishments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Put Lebron on the Bulls. What changes
Switch Jordan and Irving
I think Scottie compliments MJ better. Michael is more score-first player at heart. Pippen is all-round do it all player style-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
For the same reason Irving compliments LeBron better except styles are reversed.
It would be fun to watch. I don't know what would have changed, I can only speculate.
damn :lol headshot tbh..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirks_Finale
Late in the 2nd Run Pippen was at times the 3rd and 4th scorerQuote:
Originally Posted by i'm_still_beta
Beauty to watch those Bulls defend
1-8 > 1-9. His Airness had a couple sweeps during that stretch :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Wanna compare players at age 35? :downspin:
What happened in 1986, in the 1st round? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Bron and Scottie together? 8 straight. Bron wouldn't get his Dad offed or have Stern force him to retire. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
I might have said this before but Lebron has an odd career trajectory. His performance vs the Pistons in 2007 might be my favorite Lebron performance. Then he plateaus and even declines until 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
How many titles in the 80s? You had 6 chances...Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
LeBron James is more talented than Jordan. Jumps higher, stronger, bigger, more durable, etc. Jodan never faced a team like the Dubs in the Finals. And he never beat a super team in the Finals. Bron did. Then they cheated and signed KD :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Pippen would be the one posting up I'll say that much about LebronQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Damn you motherfuckers mean to tell me LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs in that weak ass East until he got Mike Brown as coach? :lmao :lmao :lmao
Jordan better on the ball defending. Better around picks. Better change of pace. Higher elevation. Superior at anticipating. Better offensive shot, by a significant margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Jordan wasn't good enough to go to the NBA straight outta high school like Kobe, Bron, KG, T-Mac, etc. Why is that son?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
Too easy :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 140
LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs without this man? :lmao
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...M90zSWMkQ30g&s
The bolded is absurd. The rest is debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Put into context, Bron dominated far superior perimeter defenders/competition. Imagine Bron in the 80s/90s being defended by plumbers, accountants, and substitute teachers like MJ did at least 60 games a year :lol Maybe 22 times a year he played someone even in his stratosphere, athletically. I'd love to see John Starks or Craig Ehlo try to guard the Kang :lmao
Jordan had a hell of a luxury Bron never had:Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan.
1 playoff win without Pippen
9 playoff losses without Pippen
PATHETIC :lol