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Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez Claims City, State’s Actual Covid-19 Cases Likely ‘Way Undercounted’ by a Factor of 10
Miami-Dade County, Florida Mayor Carlos Gimenez announced
a new nighttime curfew,
rollbacks on indoor dining at restaurants and bars, and
a shutdown of all gyms on Monday,
while also claiming that the actual number of Covid-19 cases he has seen in his city are “way undercounted by a factor of 10.”
https://www.mediaite.com/news/miami-...-factor-of-10/
Good lord, Desantis really wants to gift Florida to the democrats like really bad.
Is there any mitigation plan for the elderly and vulnerable who will be otherwise forced to go into these buildings?
The plan is likely to get the teachers with the most seniority to quit for fear of being killed by one of the little fuckers in his class.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
EVEN THE CHARTER SCHOOLS?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
"Teachers, however, are concerned about their safety, according to Florida Education Association President Fedrick Ingram.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
“It’s clear in communications with our members that educators are scared. They don’t trust politicians to make sure things are safe --- rightly so, with the record-breaking number of cases being reported,” Ingram told the News Service of Florida in an email Monday. “The governor is trying to brush that off.”
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/...puses-in-fall/
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Thoughts and prayers
Here in Miami-Dade, parents are being given the option of choosing virtual, in person or other (arrangement made with school) for EACH student. I hear that the majority of parents are choosing in person - they want the kids to go to school (I guess so they can free up their time to go to work)?
Florida managed to find the dumbest politican in the country (except for Trump) to run their state
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020...MasterAt3x.jpg
A lot of parents also probably need the schools to feed their kids tooQuote:
Originally Posted by rmt
Abbott isn't too far behindQuote:
Originally Posted by Warlord23
science denying teachers :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Blake
There is no good reason that outweighs the needs of millions of kids to keep schools closed.
The guy is Yale and Harvard educated, he's evil, not stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlord23
They probably are elders or have elders they care about.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Its not rocket science tbqh :lol
Even if its a bit too much its human nature
So countries that have the virus under relative control have reopened schools.
That means the US can safely reopen schools at the very high point of its pandemic.
That's just science.
Probably - so what's the problem with some on this board (not necessarily you) with opening up the schools when the parents (and probably the kids) want it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Lol Phil KerpenQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
TSA quoting results from New Zealand and the Netherlands that have COVID currently under control and applying them to the US where it's a fucking raging inferno. :rollin
You're really asking what the problem of opening up a school is during a pandemic?Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
You just had 7300+ new cases today. Ignorant motherfucker also wants to say it's because of testing despite your state having a growing positivity rate that's above 16% today. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by rmt
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reck
He can order it, but he doesn't pick school boards. Voters do. Those voters will have some definite say as to whether or not the schools open up. I would fight it tooth and nail.
For example? Where is this mythical school board?Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
It seems that most of the evidence points to covid not affecting kids much - what do you want - to keep them locked up for years? What about the loss of education, income for parents, etc? Most of the kids are not out now - so most likely it's not them causing the spike - it's the boneheaded young adults who are congregating and not wearing masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
What is the problem with my communication - am I not getting it across that said voters/parents WANT the schools to open up?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
At least 1,335 people have tested positive from child care facilities in Texas, the state's Department of Health and Human Services reported Monday, citing figures from Friday.
Of those infected, 894 were staff members and 441 were children. The cases came from 883 child care facilities that are open in the state, DHHS said.
The new cases mark a significant increase from June 15, when there were 210 reported cases from 177 facilities -- including 141 staff members and 69 children.
On May 15, Texas reported a total of 59 cases from 53 child care facilities. At that time, 36 staff members and 23 children were infected.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/06/h...ies/index.html
Maybe if they just let Danish kids in the schools.
Man, all those day care kids going to bars and rioting really fucked things up.
Public health policy should not be decided based on a popularity contest or an opinion poll, especially if it includes opinions from people like you who lack critical thinking skillsQuote:
Originally Posted by rmt
This is THE all-important poll/survey - on the parent portal choosing delivery method for each student. Certainly the county will have final authority over the school board when end of August comes but that's a long time from now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlord23
I quoted results from studies showing kids aren't vectors for spreading the virus, it doesn't matter what the virus is doing at a certain point in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
lol white flagQuote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Policy makers must also consider the mounting evidence regarding COVID-19 in children and adolescents, including the role they may play in transmission of the infection. SARS-CoV-2 appears to behave differently in children and adolescents than other common respiratory viruses, such as influenza, on which much of the current guidance regarding school closures is based. Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection. Policies to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 within schools must be balanced with the known harms to children, adolescents, families, and the community by keeping children at home.
Do the 67,000 Pediatricians from the American Academy of Pediatrics also lack critical thinking skills?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlord23
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/20...on-in-schools/
Lol I'm laughing at, not participating in the game you're playingQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Wow kids aren't vectors in nations with minimal infection rate. Meanwhile they are in Texs.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
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Originally Posted by TSA
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Originally Posted by TSA
lolQuote:
It is critically important to develop strategies that can be revised and adapted depending on the level of viral transmission in the school and throughout the community and done with close communication with state and/or local public health authorities and recognizing the differences between school districts, including urban, suburban, and rural districts.
2 points:Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
1. The AAP's position has no bearing on the view that parents should ultimately decide when to open schools, which is what I called out
2. Read the AAP's position thoroughly. They say that policy considerations should start with the goal of students being physically present as soon as it makes sense. Nobody disputes that goal. The debate is about the "as soon as it makes sense" bit - and it is up for epidemiologists and infectious disease experts to determine that, not the AAP
I fully agree that it's OK to open schools like Switzerland did whenever a place has the numbers the Swiss did when they opened them. Florida's 7-day running average of new cases is currently 245 times that of Switzerland's when it opened the schools.
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Originally Posted by Splits
lolQuote:
SARS-CoV-2 appears to behave differently in children and adolescents than other common respiratory viruses, such as influenza, on which much of the current guidance regarding school closures is based. Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection.
:lol TSA trying to ignore actual evidence from Texas.
What study can you cite proving kids are vectors in Texas?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Yeah sadly you dont open schools when you are breaking daily infection records tbqh :lmao
And its not the kids I worry about but the teachers and staff
Shit the NBA and MLB might not happen due to rampart team infections. Can you imagine the clusterfuck schools would be if they had rampart infections on most schools? :lmao
Kids run the schools in texas?Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
:lol TSA is showed day care centers are a vector. Demands to be shown the children in particular are the vector.
I agree just sending kids to schools without any adults there would probably lead to fewer infections of adults.
Hell, send the kids to work our jobs. Can you say "open up the economy"? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
One more tip for some silly ppl here.
I'm not even saying any kids or their families would die if we open schools. But it would just be an administrative clusterfuck. If we are breaking infection records you can bet your ass there will be school infections on a weekly basis.
School staff, principals and admins would spend 110% of their time chasing families and notifying families. Because they would have to.
And guess what, if theres 1 infection in a given school, you can bet your ass most if not all parents at that school will freak and the school would be paralized for weeeks. Multiply that over and over
School systems need to be ready for this. And make the call and stick to it. No, they are not ready for this if the state is still breaking records and positivity is in double digits :lol
No. Dear Leader's new message is the virus is "just something we have to live with" and "99% harmless". Surely parents will adapt to his messageQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
If school staff gets it, are they going to be required to quarantine for 14 days on their own vacation time? Teachers usually get around 10 days a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
You're not seeing the good side of it though... all the older teachers who are rightfully worried about catching COVID in this raging forest fire can quit and go starve while the schools can hire much cheaper new grads who will be desperate to take anything they can land in this trash economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
THOSE LAZY FUCKS HAD ALL SUMMER TO TAKE HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AND MAKE THEMSELVES INVINCIBLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
That's what I thought :lol....not a single study cited saying kids are vectors for transmission.
You're just not good at this. You should really stop listening to the alt right podcasts and tweets because they're not good at this either.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
What a stupid goalpost move.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
You want to wait until after schools are open for a study of the currently exploding numbers in Texas day care centers to be published.
Being disingenuous is required for being a QAnon/Pizzagate/Trump supporter.
LOL not a single good answer to the infections seen in Texas daycares as this state has become a raging inferno of COVIDQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
You forgot Mask TrutherQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Just have the teachers take the students on BLM protest field trips.
I asked for a study and you can't find one. You don't even attempt to contribute you just sit there waving your flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
:lmao what is wrong with these people?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
If they loot outdoors everything should be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Didn't you kick your child's friend out of your house?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
:cry I can't put on a mask for ten minutes at the store :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
:cry My feelings are more important than everyone's health :cry
:lmao :rollin :lmao :rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
That is a new level of dumb. Now I know you have never had kids.
First five years... snot EVERYWHERE.
Sigworthy, but I would have to get rid of other stupid to put his in. So much dumb... so little space.
Seriously, I am still laughing.:rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by my wife
Adults infected both the other adults and the kids. Kids aren't infecting the adults or the other kids. Prove me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
:cry fuck these poor people I've got a round of golf to play :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Wheres you study that proves adult teachers cant infect each other?Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Adults work at schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Prove me wrong.
Have you cited a single study? All that confirmation-bias twitter wall of garbage was not a study.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Not a studyQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
I have a 2.5 year old. You think children are spreading this like influenza? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
"Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection."
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/20...on-in-schools/
I have a 2.5 year old. You think children are spreading this like influenza? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
"Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection."
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/20...on-in-schools/
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Originally Posted by TSA
:lmao what kind of argument is this?
See, kids can't transmit the virus only get it from adults!
All linked from that "twitter wall of garbage"Quote:
Originally Posted by Splits
"Low carriers, low transmitters": study confirms the minimal role of children in the Covid-19 epidemic
https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/peu-port...005120233.html
https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.u...down-covid-19/
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100
https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tec...-covid-19.html
https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...n-and-covid-19
https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavi...004160220.html
https://translate.google.com/transla...9-1912853.html
I'll be sure to check back in later and see if anyone finds a study :bobo
Ill be sure to check back on that study that says teachers cant infect teachers :boboQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
We do not know this answer yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
It also depends on what age groups we look at.
Two years and younger clearly appears to be rare, but to say it does not happen at this point is stupidity.
Realize NO ONE can actually see the virus go from one person to another and then causing symptoms. It all has to be reasoned through contact studies, which are getting very difficult right now because so many people have this thing. In fact we may have to give up on this all together, it would have been very effective if we had contained this early on.
You are wrong.
wearning a masks muffles the voice and hides facial expressions.
Gonna be hard for teachers to communicate with the lower grades.
Do the students where masks?
When several kids are infected in the same classroom, the transmissibility to the adults will be higher than from one kid.
When teachers start going down, TSA will scoot away.
Only one of these is a clinical study: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
The Texas data is much more persuasive than this milktoast.Quote:
RESULTS
As of April 4, a total of 1221 of 9199 persons (13.3%) who were recruited for targeted testing had positive results for infection with SARS-CoV-2. Of those tested in the general population, 87 (0.8%) in the open-invitation screening and 13 (0.6%) in the random-population screening tested positive for the virus. In total, 6% of the population was screened. Most persons in the targeted-testing group who received positive tests early in the study had recently traveled internationally, in contrast to those who tested positive later in the study. Children under 10 years of age were less likely to receive a positive result than were persons 10 years of age or older, with percentages of 6.7% and 13.7%, respectively, for targeted testing; in the population screening, no child under 10 years of age had a positive result, as compared with 0.8% of those 10 years of age or older. Fewer females than males received positive results both in targeted testing (11.0% vs. 16.7%) and in population screening (0.6% vs. 0.9%). The haplotypes of the sequenced SARS-CoV-2 viruses were diverse and changed over time. The percentage of infected participants that was determined through population screening remained stable for the 20-day duration of screening.
CONCLUSIONS
In a population-based study in Iceland, children under 10 years of age and females had a lower incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection than adolescents or adults and males. The proportion of infected persons identified through population screening did not change substantially during the screening period, which was consistent with a beneficial effect of containment efforts. (Funded by deCODE Genetics–Amgen.)
There's no data to backup your claim yet you ask to be proven wrong when there's Texas data staring you in the face.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Disingenuous piece of shit, as always.
It will be harder to cross off other teachers, cafeteria workers, etc... It will also have to assume teachers go straight home, dont have a family to have contact with, etc... Its getting really messy in narrowing this down. We just did not do the job early on.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
I sit here and lol at conspiracy nut jobs like you while having real discussions with people that get itQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
"AUSTIN (KXAN) — The University of Texas announced Tuesday that one of its staff members has died in relation to COVID-19.
According to UT, the staff member, whose identity hasn’t been released, had a positive test that was “appropriately reported” to the university last month..."
https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...irst-fatality/
Thank goodness it was only a staff member and not a student. BACK TO CLASS
I'm not sure what the sadder part of this thread is, TSA selling out his 2 year old in defense of Dear Leader, or DarrinS working in another Black Lives Matter jab out of the blue.
one states data more persuasive than all the data from around the world I provided that was actually thoroughly studied :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Splits
Kari Stefansson is the CEO of the Icelandic company deCODE genetics in Reykjavík, which has studied the spread of COVID-19 in Iceland with Iceland’s Directorate of Health and the National University Hospital.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100
Author Affiliations
From deCODE Genetics–Amgen (D.F.G., A.H., H.J., O.T.M., P.M., G.L.N., J.S., A.S., P.S., A.B.A., B.E., R.F., E.E.G., G.G., K.R.G., A.G., H.H., B.O.J., A.J., F.J., T.K., D.N.M., L.R., G. Sveinbjornsson, K.E.S., E.A.T., B.T., G.M., I.J., U.T., K.S.), the School of Engineering and Natural Sciences (D.F.G., P.M.), the Department of Anthropology (A.H.), the Faculty of Medicine, School of Health Sciences (A.L., I.J., K.G.K., U.T., K.S.), and the BioMedical Center of the University of Iceland (K.G.K.), University of Iceland, the Department of Clinical Microbiology, Landspitali–National University Hospital (O.S.G., T.R.G., M.S., A.L., K.G.K.) and the Directorate of Health (K.S.J., G. Sigmundsdottir, A.D.M., T.G.) — all in Reykjavik, Iceland.
Address reprint requests to Dr. Stefansson at deCODE Genetics–Amgen, Sturlugata 8, Reykjavik 102, Iceland, or at [email protected].
https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.u...down-covid-19/
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Originally Posted by Kari Stefansson
Still waiting for that study ma nig TSA :boboQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
I didn't read the whole thing, nor it's conclusions, but since people were asking about studies, here's one:
Age-dependent effects in the transmission and control of COVID-19 epidemics
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0962-9
I discussed schools being reopened long before Trump. There’s far too much harm to children from being shut out of school and missing out on education and social interaction, along with abuse at home, over doses, and suicides to continue keeping them at home when nothing has been shown they are at serious risk of death or spreading the virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
If I were older and in the at risk category I’d be saying the same thing, get the kids back to school I’ll take the risk of dying from the virus.
Keep waiting. I never claimed teachers couldn’t infect other teachers. Pretty easy for a teacher to avoid another teacher being that they have their own classrooms.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
So teachers never interact with each other? Post that study then :boboQuote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Couple links and a few quips are all you’ve contributed to this thread, you aren’t having any real discussions with anyone here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
How noble of you to want to volunteer the lives of the older teachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Not much to really discuss in this thread. Florida governor and education agency want to push things as if everything is fine when it's completely not. They're idiots and you're an idiot. That's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
He hasn't answered to that even once in this thread. He never will but at least he provided some links to something!Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
How many more straw men can you come up with? :boboQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
Schools are one of the easier places for an adult to socially distance from another adult.
Lol "straw man"Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
How many 80+ year old teachers did you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Lots in their 50s and 60s.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Florida governor is backed by data around the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
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Originally Posted by Blake
Like I said earlier, don't have a horse in this race, tbh, but would instinctively support whatever is the opposite of Betsy DeVos' position in this matter (which I don't know what it is)