And in other news, foldren remains in a permanent fold.
Plus, condolences to him as his family will soon get very sick, leaving him homeless or they will send him to a home for disabled.
10-11-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
What a load that it's not risky. If you're teaching 7-12 you're in close contact with 90-150 students a day in a tightly packed room, depending on how the schools run their schedules.
BwahahHHHhHHHH
10-11-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
LOL remember when you said Florida's tsunami of new cases was only because of increased testing? Hard to take any of your shit seriously after that son.
Bwagahahahahaahjajajjajjajjajajajajaha
10-11-2020
baseline bum
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
This message is hidden because foldren is on your ignore list.
10-11-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
This message is hidden because foldren is on your ignore list.
Lolooloooolloo
Ignoring..
Lololool
Lies and triggered and wrong
10-12-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by tholdren
Lolooloooolloo
Ignoring..
Lololool
Lies and triggered and wrong
10-12-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Lolooloooolloo
Ignoring..
Lololool
Lies and triggered and wrong
10-13-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Triggered
10-13-2020
ElNono
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Triggered
Yourself? You're posting into the wind here
10-13-2020
TimDunkem
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
No one is more triggered than the guy who migrated from being the "old man yells at clouds" guy upstairs to full-time Political Forum bunker bitch with 10k+ posts of him talking to himself in only a couple of months.
10-13-2020
ChumpDumper
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
No one is more triggered than the guy who migrated from being the "old man yells at clouds" guy upstairs to full-time Political Forum bunker bitch with 10k+ posts of him talking to himself in only a couple of months.
dude melts down the same way, multiple times a day, every day.
Gotta be a record for ST.
10-13-2020
TimDunkem
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
dude melts down the same way, multiple times a day, every day.
Gotta be a record for ST.
Always on cue too. Once in the morning after the Metamucil, once in the afternoon when it kicks in, and once before bedtime after the Aricept. You can tell it really is the best part of his day, and you just know he's thinking about all of us in between meltdowns. :lol
10-13-2020
ChumpDumper
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
Always on cue too. Once in the morning after the Metamucil, once in the afternoon when it kicks in, and once before bedtime after the Aricept. You can tell it really is the best part of his day, and you just know he's thinking about all of us in between meltdowns. :lol
:lol he loves it even more than bingo and smoking at bingo.
10-13-2020
TimDunkem
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
:lol he loves it even more than bingo and smoking at bingo.
Amazing how he fits it all in considering he "hasn't stopped flying since March". :lmao
10-13-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
Always on cue too. Once in the morning after the Metamucil, once in the afternoon when it kicks in, and once before bedtime after the Aricept. You can tell it really is the best part of his day, and you just know he's thinking about all of us in between meltdowns. :lol
How sad TimDunkem so bothered
10-13-2020
TimDunkem
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Didn't read, foldfen on ignore list, lol bwahaha, etc
10-13-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
Didn't read, foldfen on ignore list, lol bwahaha, etc
Lololooooooolopoplpllolooloooooll
Thanks for telling everyone you ignored
10-13-2020
TimDunkem
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Melllltdoooownnnnnn :lol
10-13-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Lololooooooolopoplpllolooloooooll
Thanks for telling everyone you ignored
10-13-2020
TimDunkem
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Bwahaha foldren meltdowwwwnnnn. Pwnt. :lmao
10-13-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Lololooooooolopoplpllolooloooooll
Thanks for telling everyone you ignored
Loooloolll
10-13-2020
ElNono
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
Bwahaha foldren meltdowwwwnnnn. Pwnt. :lmao
:lol haven't read a single post of him. He's more alone than while he smokes in the bingo.
10-13-2020
Blake
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Lololooooooolopoplpllolooloooooll
Thanks for telling everyone you ignored
Everyone ignores you
10-14-2020
Winehole23
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Vanderbilt said there's a shortage of these student-athletes due to "the quarantining of individuals with positive tests and those designated as close contacts, along with injuries and opt-outs."
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
and dem Baylor Bears too
Quote:
On Monday, Baylor reported 32 student-athletes are currently positive for COVID-19 with 29 new cases since last week. Twenty-nine cases are symptomatic while three are asymptomatic.
Among those positive cases are 28 football players. Additionally, 14 Baylor football staff members have tested positive, but a source said head coach Dave Aranda isn’t among the positive cases.
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Not really an answer.
Rare things still happen. One in a hundred thousand will still mean thousands of kids will need ventilators, if all 30M of them get sick, and many many more times that will have all sorts of nasty organ damage, up to and including neurological problems that will haunt them, possibily for hte rest of their lives.
Economically, that is a huge amount of damage, because you are talking about degradation over a 60 to 70 year span.
Until there is a vaccine there is a pretty huge price to pay.
Jesus. This is stupidity
10-17-2020
Blake
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by tholdren
Lolooooll asymptomatic cases. !!!!!!!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Still talking about me!!!! Lolololl
Rent
Free
ElNomath
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Originally Posted by tholdren
Remember when Elwrongwrong and wrongdomGuy said all these fatalities would happen if schools opened. I'm shocked nothing has happened. Shocked.
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Originally Posted by tholdren
Not even close
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Originally Posted by tholdren
Remember this terrible take? I do
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Originally Posted by tholdren
Lololooolollllolllppllllllklloooloo
Look at this
10-17-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by Blake
Tears from the covid crowd
10-17-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Specificity and positive predictive value of SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid amplification testing in a low prevalence setting
44pct false pos lolooIool cases
10-17-2020
boutons_deux
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
The president of a New York college resigns
after more than 700 students test positive for Covid-19
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I understand the benefits of school for the kids. Over 600 adults in AISD are under quarantine orders and school hasn't even started.
If that happens when school is actually in session, who's going to teach and run the schools?
Here's another derp post
10-17-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by tholdren
Doesn't matter. 0 will be hospitalized 0 will die. Less than flu for this demographic. Gossip more
Here again from August. I win
10-17-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by tholdren
Here again from August. I win
10-18-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Basically, there is no strong evidence to support well people wearing surgical masks in public. Or as the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention put it: "No recommendation can be made at this time for mask use in the community by asymptomatic persons, including those at high risk for complications, to prevent exposure to influenza viruses."
The best thing you can do to stop getting the flu is to regularly wash your hands, and try to avoid touching your face.
10-19-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Basically, there is no strong evidence to support well people wearing surgical masks in public. Or as the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention put it: "No recommendation can be made at this time for mask use in the community by asymptomatic persons, including those at high risk for complications, to prevent exposure to influenza viruses."
The best thing you can do to stop getting the flu is to regularly wash your hands, and try to avoid touching your face.
10-20-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Basically, there is no strong evidence to support well people wearing surgical masks in public. Or as the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention put it: "No recommendation can be made at this time for mask use in the community by asymptomatic persons, including those at high risk for complications, to prevent exposure to influenza viruses."
The best thing you can do to stop getting the flu is to regularly wash your hands, and try to avoid touching your face.
Important
10-21-2020
boutons_deux
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Boston halts all in-person schooling.
10-22-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Important
Cases!!!!
10-24-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Loloooooooooooooollloo
Nobody dying or hospitalized. Bwahahahhahahaha
WrongdomGuy
10-25-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
230k pos college kids cases..... lollooooolll
Ifr lower than flu
10-25-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by tholdren
230k pos college kids cases..... lollooooolll
Ifr lower than flu
10-25-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
No masks at college
10-25-2020
ChumpDumper
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
:lmao f:lolldren afraid to say what time it is
10-25-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by tholdren
No masks at college
Chumpdump lost his mind. I'm in his head at all times of the day
You hate to see it.
10-25-2020
ChumpDumper
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
:lol I bullied f:lolldren so badly he folds when I ask him the time where he is.
I win for all time.
10-25-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Chumpdump lost his mind. I'm in his head at all times of the day
You hate to see it.
And he can't let it go... in head always
10-25-2020
ChumpDumper
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
:lol I bullied f:lolldren so badly he folds when I ask him the time where he is.
I win for all time.
10-25-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
9 thread L
I win
10-25-2020
ChumpDumper
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
:lmao no one afraid to say what time it is can ever declare victory anywhere.
That's beyond derp L.
10-25-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
:lmao no one afraid to say what time it is can ever declare victory anywhere.
That's beyond derp L.
He's so drunk
10-25-2020
ChumpDumper
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by tholdren
He's so drunk
You're so scared.
10-25-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You're so scared.
Chumpclaw back in business
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by baseline bum
How noble of you to sacrifice their lives because you thought in your head with no consequence whatsoever about how if you were old and high risk you'd sacrifice yourself. Yeah they can quit in this booming economy to be door greeters at Wal Mart.
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Wow kids aren't vectors in nations with minimal infection rate. Meanwhile they are in Texs.
Lolollooloolooollloll
Wrong again
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
The plan is likely to get the teachers with the most seniority to quit for fear of being killed by one of the little fuckers in his class.
And wrong again
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Thoughts and prayers
Wrong
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I fully agree that it's OK to open schools like Switzerland did whenever a place has the numbers the Swiss did when they opened them. Florida's 7-day running average of new cases is currently 245 times that of Switzerland's when it opened the schools.
Lololoooolool
Wrong
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
You just had 7300+ new cases today. Ignorant motherfucker also wants to say it's because of testing despite your state having a growing positivity rate that's above 16% today. :lol
Wrong
10-30-2020
ElNono
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^ wrong
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
LOL not a single good answer to the infections seen in Texas daycares as this state has become a raging inferno of COVID
Oh my God. What a lie.
Look at this.
BejajjajahahahahHHHHHhHahahahHHhahHHHHHHHHHHHHhHHH ahHHHHHhHHHHHHHhHHHHHHHHHHhhahahhahahahahahahahaha h
10-30-2020
ElNono
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
^ more gossip
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
What a load that it's not risky. If you're teaching 7-12 you're in close contact with 90-150 students a day in a tightly packed room, depending on how the schools run their schedules.
Oh my. Another dumb comment that defies math and science. Hilarious
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I guess the "we need to sacrifice old people in the altar of money" didn't work out, now we're going with the new and improved "we need to sacrifice old people so children can have a better future. somebody think of the children!"... :lol
He's so low iq
10-30-2020
ElNono
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lol f:lolldren always wrong
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
These discussions are worth having. We should continuously weigh the costs and benefits of shutting down vs. opening up, and approach those reopenings and shutdowns on a case-by-case basis. Just because it makes sense to open up a school, doesn't mean it makes sense to open up bars, restaurants, and indoor dining.
That said, we FUCKED OURSELVES here early on. We should've went with a hard nationwide lock-down in March of all but essential businesses. Europe did just that, and have flattened like no one's business. Example. The horror story that was Italy is at 13 deaths/7 day average at day 126. We are at 511 and just had the highest daily death count we've had in nearly a month.
And I solely blame fucks in that "Team Reality" contingent (Ginn, Berenson, Levitt, Ethical Skeptic, etc). The misinformation they've been spinning has been near criminal. The virus doesn't have a natural fuckin' bell curve progression. See Iran's double hump.
That whole bunch of gray is the excess deaths attributed to Covid. The beige is excess deaths not attributed to Covid, Flu, or Pneumonia. If "the cure was worse than the disease," we see much more non-Covid deaths than Covid deaths. And yes, I know the "cure is worse than the disease" logic is looking at the long term ramifications of lockdowns, but IF we locked down hard in March, we would've flattened the spread as Europe has while also mitigating the long term effects of long shutdowns. This is a concept "Team Reality" led by that fuck Berenson didn't and still don't understand.
All reports are the FL, TX, AZ ICUs are filling up rapidly. I'm sure Team Reality will spin a few graphs for us, but word from the frontlines of the healthcare workers say they are strained. And the once lax politicians of those states are basically in panic, with Abbott throwing local leaders under the bus for supposedly doing "nothing." DeSantis extending the state of emergency of Florida. And AZ just being a clusterfuck all around. California is also not trending positively. Our positive rate is only 8 percent on new tests (vs. 33% in AZ, which is terribad), but can't overlook exponential growth.
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
No one could have predicted it
Hilarious. All those cases caused 0 deaths
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
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Originally Posted by Splits
jfc
how long before he tweets “kids can’t infect others” as apparently that’s the alt-right talking point
They were correct
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
/Lie
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Narratives challenged.
Jump to July, when cases of COVID-19 are spiking, putting Israel high on the list of countries who’ve lost control of the virus’ contagion; the economy is cratering, with unemployment at about 23 percent, and the new government is on the verge of collapse.
What happened?
If you ask Dr. Siegal Sadetzki, the head of the nation’s public health service, who served as an Israeli Dr. Anthony Fauci for the past six months and quit her job on Tuesday, the government “has lost its compass.”
“Israel is heading to a dangerous place,” she wrote in an 8,000-word indictment of the government’s failure to prepare in any way for a resurgence of illness.
“Despite systematic and repeated warnings through various channels, and discussions in several forums, we are watching with frustration as the hourglass of opportunities runs low,” she warned.
“I have come to the conclusion that in the newly created conditions under which my professional opinion is not accepted—I can no longer help to effectively cope with the spread of the virus.”
All this may sound familiar to Americans in the many states where the virus infections are now spiking. But … it gets worse.
During the six wasted weeks, the period singled out by Sadetzki, schools were chaotically reopened and then, as infections soared, re-shuttered. Parents were unable to foresee reentering the workforce. The public was instructed to wear masks—but no system of enforcement was put into place. The lists of permitted and prohibited activities shifted daily, with little or no explanation. While Netanyahu actively pursued his (since scuttled) dream of annexing significant parts of the occupied West Bank, the number of Israelis diagnosed with COVID-19 multiplied by 499 percent.
Ashdod, a city on the Mediterranean coast, emerged as a top locus of infection, but no Israeli official could explain why the breezy, fun beach town, where citizens live outdoors during the summer, gained almost 700 COVID-19 patients during the month of June.
Criticizing the government’s “hesitant response,” Ran Balicer, a professor of public health and a member of Israel’s national Epidemic Management Team, said in an interview that “no place on earth has seen a spike in morbidity [the disease rate] like Israel’s."
Tuesday was Israel’s worst day of contagion, with 1,400 new cases of COVID-19 announced, a record since the start of the outbreak.
Event spaces, bars, and gyms have been re-shut but instructions regarding public transportation remain unclear, and the transport and finance ministers squabble on the airwaves.
On Tuesday, in testimony to the Israeli parliament, Dr. Udi Kliner, Sadetzki’s deputy, reported that schools—not restaurants or gyms—turned out to be the country’s worst mega-infectors.
Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML
10-30-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by KobesAchilles
It’s a pretty scary thought going back to the classroom here in Houston. Cases have been spiking like crazy and all it takes is one person to spread it like wildfire. A lot of people are retiring now because of this. It’s already a pretty shitty job, now you have to risk your life or loved ones life for it? Not exactly enticing
“Hey you’re gonna get cussed out, have no funding, no real support from administrators, 230 kids to teach, no real team to help you, an all Sped/ESL class, deal with the STAAR bullshit, AND now you could get infected with Corona and lose your life.” :lol tempting
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML
10-31-2020
tholdren
Re: Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures
Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Sweden and finland study.
Closure of schools had no measurable impact on cases in students.
Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML
