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Kids Rarely Transmit Covid-19, Say UVM Docs in Top Journal
A commentary published in the journal Pediatrics, the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, concludes that children infrequently transmit Covid-19 to each other or to adults and that many schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.
The authors, Benjamin Lee, M.D. and William V. Raszka, Jr., M.D., are both pediatric infectious disease specialists on the faculty of the University of Vermont’s Larner College of Medicine. Dr. Raszka is an associate editor of Pediatrics.
The authors of the commentary, titled “COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame,” base their conclusions on a new study published in the current issue of Pediatrics, “COVID-19 in Children and the Dynamics of Infection in Families,” and four other recent studies that examine Covid-19 transmission by and among children.
In the new Pediatrics study, Klara M. Posfay-Barbe, M.D., a faculty member at University of Geneva’s medical school, and her colleagues studied the households of 39 Swiss children infected with Covid-19. Contract tracing revealed that in only three (8%) was a child the suspected index case, with symptom onset preceding illness in adult household contacts.
In a recent study in China, researchers’ contact tracing demonstrated that of the 68 children with Covid-19 admitted to Qingdao Women's and Children's Hospital from January 20 to February 27, 2020, 96% were household contacts of previously infected adults. In another study of Chinese children, nine of 10 children admitted to several provincial hospitals outside Wuhan contracted Covid-19 from an adult, with only one possible child-to-child transmission, based on the timing of disease onset.
In a French study, a boy with Covid-19 exposed over 80 classmates at three schools to the disease. None contracted it. Transmission of other respiratory diseases, including influenza transmission, was common at the schools.
In a study in New South Wales, nine infected students and nine staff across 15 schools exposed a total of 735 students and 128 staff to Covid-19. Only two secondary infections resulted, one transmitted by an adult to a child.
“The data are striking,” said Dr. Raszka. “The key takeaway is that children are not driving the pandemic. After six months, we have a wealth of accumulating data showing that children are less likely to become infected and seem less infectious; it is congregating adults who aren’t following safety protocols who are responsible for driving the upward curve.”
Rising cases among adults and children in Texas childcare facilities, which have seen 894 Covid-19 cases among staff members and 441 among children in 883 child care facilities across the state, have the potential to be misinterpreted, Dr. Raszka said. He has not studied the details of the outbreak.
“There is widespread transmission of Covid-19 in Texas today, with many adults congregating without observing social distancing or wearing masks,” he said. “While we don’t yet know the dynamics of the outbreak, it is unlikely that infants and young children in daycare are driving the surge. Based on the evidence, it’s more plausible that adults are passing the infection to the children in the vast majority of cases.”
Additional support for the notion that children are not significant vectors of the disease comes from mathematical modeling, the authors say. Models show that community-wide social distancing and widespread adoption of facial cloth coverings are far better strategies for curtailing disease spread, and that closing schools adds little. The fact that schools have reopened in many Western European countries and in Japan without seeing a rise in community transmissions bears out the accuracy of the modeling.
Reopening schools in a safe manner this fall is important for the healthy development of children, the authors say. “By doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed, or failing that, until we reach herd immunity,” the paper concludes.
https://www.uvm.edu/uvmnews/news/kid...cs-top-journal
Now do teachers
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Now do teachers
They did.
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hater
Now do teachers
U can't read?
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TSA
They did.
Teachers infecting teachers.
Remove kids from the equation as obviously they are virusless bags of meat.
Now do teachers.
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:lol at that being your takeaway from that article
It's what you asked for. Now here's where you'll move the goalpost
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TSA
They did.
They haven't gotten around to studying the recent daycare outbreaks here tho
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Blake
It's what you asked for. Now here's where you'll move the goalpost
My position has never changed. Kids pose almost zero risk in passing on the virus to other kids or teachers. Kids face more danger in both mental and physical health from being held out of schools compared to the dangers of the virus. I’ve supported my position with articles and studies from around the world from pediatricians and child psychologists. You’ve yet to make your case.
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If all Texas classrooms will look like this, I am all for reopening every school.
https://www.thelocal.de/userdata/ima...68938_kiel.jpg
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Stacia Kelly
July 10 at 9:27 PM
In March, our entire family became sick with COVID-like symptoms. Our oldest son started with fever, sore throat, nausea, headache and mild cough. Within 48 hours, all 5 of us were sick.
Our 8 year old was last to start with symptoms and his case was the most mild of all of ours. If it hadn’t been for the entire family being sick and the threat of COVID, I wouldn’t have even called the pediatrician.
We waited until day 7 to have him tested. He was the only one of us still sick. He tested negative for both flu and COVID. We figured it was just a case of bad luck and a nasty virus and waited for it to pass.
On day 14, I urged our 8 year old to come for a walk with me. He’d been in bed for two weeks and I thought he’d feel better if he got up and started moving a little. We got 3 blocks into our walk and my soccer playing, American ninja loving, constantly moving boy asked to go home because he was tired. He wasn’t even sure if he could make it the 3 blocks back to the house. He had to sit on the curb. When we did get home, I called the pediatrician again.
Today is July 10th and it marks day 108 for our boy.
He runs a fever every day.
We have blackout curtains and extra blankets hung on his windows because sometimes his head hurts so bad that any splinter of light feels like a knife.
He has lost 10 pounds and now takes medication to keep his appetite up and drinks Orgain for calories.
He has muscle pain and aches.
He feels like he will pass out if we try a bike ride or walk on a trail near our house.
He climbs in the pool with his brothers for a few minutes
but then gets chills and crawls back under the blankets in his room until he’s warm again.
He gets nauseous being in the car for any duration.
He’s exhausted.
All of the time. But he has trouble sleeping because he feels so awful.
He’s 8 and doesn’t have enough energy to play outside, ride his bike, read a book or stand up for too long.
He’s been through an onslaught of tests, lab work and procedures to rule out pretty much anything that could possibly cause these symptoms for this long. Every single test has come back normal.
His chest xray gave the only clue- peribronchial thickening indicative of COVID.
He barely had a cough.
I write this because I’m sick of hearing people complain about wearing a mask or rattle off a talking point about children not being effected by COVID.
It’s true that children are not dying at a high rate. What’s not true is that children have not died.
And what is also categorically false is that children are not effected.
I’m seeing it with my own eyes.
We don’t know if our son’s illness will last another week or if this is now a chronic condition. No one can tell us. No one has the answers.
The truth is, we don’t know what this disease does yet. We have only just begun to understand how COVID-19 acts in the early phases.
We are clueless as to what this virus does to our bodies, and our children’s bodies in the long run.
So, please.
Stay home if you’re able.
Don’t go to Disney when it opens.
Don’t throw birthday parties and invite all the friends.
Don’t follow the advice of politicians.
Wear a freaking mask.
These are not hard things.
You can do it. I believe in you.
There’s an 8 year old in Florida that has been in bed for 108 days and he believes in you too.
EDITED TO ADD:
1. For those asking what they can do, all we ask is that you follow CDC recommendations and take precautions to slow community spread.
2. For those inquiring about other diagnoses, we have been through complete work ups for 100s of other potential causes and are very confident in our team of doctors and health care providers.
3. For those confused about a negative COVID test result but evidence of the virus on radiological findings, I'd encourage you to do some digging on your own.
False negatives are not all that uncommon and the pediatric population has not been widely tested in the US.
He was tested once in March, 7 days after his fever began and when the test was negative, COVID was tabled and the specialists moved on to ruling out other causes- as was appropriate.
Once all of those potential causes were ruled out through EXTENSIVE testing (cancer, mono, bartonella, fever syndromes, autoimmune disorders, other infections, PANS, Lyme etc), we've come back to the original thought and luckily
more and more data is coming out regarding this type of pediatric inflammatory response post COVID.
Our family thanks you all for the support and well wishes. We are reading them all.
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do you have an own take here?
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Dont forget the buses. I believe they will only allow 8 students per bus
Im also all for that
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Dont forget the buses. I believe they will only allow 8 students per bus
Im also all for that
Damn that'll take forever to get kids to class
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My position has never changed. Kids pose almost zero risk in passing on the virus to other kids or teachers. Kids face more danger in both mental and physical health from being held out of schools compared to the dangers of the virus. I’ve supported my position with articles and studies from around the world from pediatricians and child psychologists. You’ve yet to make your case.
Oh hey a goalpost move, mixed with strawmen and confirmation bias. No way!
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HHS taking over pandemic data is obviously a bat faith move
Trash and HHS lickspittles will LIE about the national stats to justify threatening the schools' Federal funding for not following the political, not public health, DICTATES from Trash.
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so the dilemma is:
little or no school which will kill, supposedly, some kids (evidence free, afaics)
vs
more or less in-person school, which will kill or damage some kids, and probably some teachers and staff
pick your poison of how many will die
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Blake
They haven't gotten around to studying the recent daycare outbreaks here tho
Also amazing how schools are safe while we have outbreaks at summer camps.
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hater
Apparently. Thats 3.5 million irrelevant citizens tbqh
Irrelevant citizens who are vectors to spread the virus further too...
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Eyup. 14,000 dead children, and how many teachers exactly?
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In a population-based study in Iceland, children under 10 years of age and females had a lower incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection than adolescents or adults and males. The proportion of infected persons identified through population screening did not change substantially during the screening period, which was consistent with a beneficial effect of containment efforts. (Funded by deCODE Genetics–Amgen.)
Adolescent children still children, and they go to school as well. I can tell you from my wifes direct accounts they do not bother with masks, or distancing rules, even when explicitly directed to do so. 13-18 comprise what? 6/13ths of the school age population. 46%
So basically, all of your links speak to the risk presented by 54% of the school age population.
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In analyses involving participants up to 20 years of age, we observed a gradual increase with older age in the percentage who tested positive (Fig. S5). In the population-screening group, the difference was even more marked: none of the 848 children under the age of 10 years tested positive, as compared with 100 of 12,232 persons (0.8%; 95% CI, 0.7 to 1.0) 10 years of age or older.
The oldest group of seniors, comprise, 1/13th of 57,000,000. 7%
A poplulation of 4.3M
Assuming they die at one tenth the known fatality rate for the disease, that is 2,192 dead teenagers, if all of them get exposed and/or sick.
Assume one teacher/administrator/janitor/etc for every 18 students in those schools.
3,100,000 people, with age distributions roughly the same as the overall population.
If they all get the disease that will kill roughly 15,500 teachers.
If you want to argue "not everyone will get it", then I would say a typical flu season sees roughly 40-60% of the population getting the disease, with vaccines, and this disease appears to be much more transmittable than the flu. 60% of 15,000 is still roughly 10,000 teachers.
Sending all kids back to school with this thing will kill tens of thousand of teachers and students.
How many dead teachers, children, and adolescents, are you willing to sacrifice for your Dear Leader?
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You can't embed shit from your email. If it's a picture, you have to host it somewhere. Eg upload it to a place like imgbb.com
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My position has never changed. Kids pose almost zero risk in passing on the virus to other kids or teachers. Kids face more danger in both mental and physical health from being held out of schools compared to the dangers of the virus. I’ve supported my position with articles and studies from around the world from pediatricians and child psychologists. You’ve yet to make your case.
The links you have presented do not make your case, as all of the research on "children" hews to the medical definition of "under 10 years", leaving out the risks posed by tends of millions of other students, and millions of teachers, administrators, and service personnel.
Frankly, I am not going to be that cavalier with my wife, who teaches high school, or my two kids in high school.
You want them to take all the risks you yourself probably don't, and you can fuck right off. I will not sacrifice any of them for the sake of your evil ideology. My wife and I are having some very pointed discussions about either not sending my kids to school, or my wife simply refusing to go to work. I am sure those discussions are being mirrored in millions of households.
Bypass this discussion:
How will you pay for teachers to take time off for COVID quarantine WHEN they get exposed in the millions?
Are you going to ask them to take unpaid leave? Man up and answer, or, you know, bullshit waffle some more for your Dear Leader.
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[image link to something from GMAIL]
You may want to delete that bit. Probably can't be used to figure out your gmail, but definitely something you don't want tested in a publicly searchable forum. I doubt any dataminer is going to glom on to ST, but still.
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Adolescent children still children, and they go to school as well. I can tell you from my wifes direct accounts they do not bother with masks, or distancing rules, even when explicitly directed to do so. 13-18 comprise what? 6/13ths of the school age population. 46%
So basically, all of your links speak to the risk presented by 54% of the school age population.
The oldest group of seniors, comprise, 1/13th of 57,000,000. 7%
A poplulation of 4.3M
Assuming they die at one tenth the known fatality rate for the disease, that is 2,192 dead teenagers, if all of them get exposed and/or sick.
Assume one teacher/administrator/janitor/etc for every 18 students in those schools.
3,100,000 people, with age distributions roughly the same as the overall population.
If they all get the disease that will kill roughly 15,500 teachers.
If you want to argue "not everyone will get it", then I would say a typical flu season sees roughly 40-60% of the population getting the disease, with vaccines, and this disease appears to be much more transmittable than the flu. 60% of 15,000 is still roughly 10,000 teachers.
Sending all kids back to school with this thing will kill tens of thousand of teachers and students.
How many dead teachers, children, and adolescents, are you willing to sacrifice for your Dear Leader?
Lol your math
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RandomGuy
The links you have presented do not make your case, as all of the research on "children" hews to the medical definition of "under 10 years", leaving out the risks posed by tends of millions of other students, and millions of teachers, administrators, and service personnel.
Frankly, I am not going to be that cavalier with my wife, who teaches high school, or my two kids in high school.
You want them to take all the risks you yourself probably don't, and you can fuck right off. I will not sacrifice any of them for the sake of your evil ideology. My wife and I are having some very pointed discussions about either not sending my kids to school, or my wife simply refusing to go to work. I am sure those discussions are being mirrored in millions of households.
Bypass this discussion:
How will you pay for teachers to take time off for COVID quarantine WHEN they get exposed in the millions?
Are you going to ask them to take unpaid leave? Man up and answer, or, you know, bullshit waffle some more for your Dear Leader.
Recognizing the severe harm caused to kids when they are not able to attend school and advocating for them is now an "evil ideology" :lmao You are so far off the deep end, seek help. And tell your wife to find a new line of work. We don't need terrified teachers who don't understand science teaching our kids anyways.
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Recognizing the severe harm caused to kids when they are not able to attend school and advocating for them is now an "evil ideology" :lmao You are so far off the deep end, seek help. And tell your wife to find a new line of work. We don't need terrified teachers who don't understand science teaching our kids anyways.
To be fair, are there any studies that have documented the long term effects of missing, say, a year in brick-and-mortar schooling? Or are these studies just speculating? For example, the whole theory that a depression would lead to a unprecedented spikes in suicides, alcohol abuse, etc, when the fact was life expectancy actually rose during the Great Depression and the suicide rate has continued to climb following the recession, even as we were living in the so-called greatest economy the world has ever known.
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Life expectancy rose from 57.1 in 1929 to 63.3 years in 1932, according to the analysis by U-M researchers José A.Sep 29, 2009
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0Jos%C3%A9%20A.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicid..._1981_2016.png
Even better graph. Scroll down and see how the trajectory remained basically linear, with no spikes during/following the Recession.
https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycen...-news-stories/
Drug overdoses didn't spike during the Recession:
https://www.drugabuse.gov/sites/defa...018-graph1.jpg
Higher than they ever been in the supposed "greatest economy the world has ever known."
That said, I think opening schools needs to be approached regionally. In areas that have controlled their outbreaks, sure. Not sure I would open up in the hot spots until under control. And I think there's need to be a study on if Covid causes any lingering health effects to recover children and teens.
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Recognizing the severe harm caused to kids when they are not able to attend school and advocating for them is now an "evil ideology" :lmao You are so far off the deep end, seek help. And tell your wife to find a new line of work. We don't need terrified teachers who don't understand science teaching our kids anyways.
Homeschooling harmful now
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TSA
Recognizing the severe harm caused to kids when they are not able to attend school and advocating for them is now an "evil ideology" :lmao You are so far off the deep end, seek help. And tell your wife to find a new line of work. We don't need terrified teachers who don't understand science teaching our kids anyways.
Yes think of the children
If schools dont open up we will start seeing dead children piling up on the streets, parks and parking lots around the country
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Yes think of the children
If schools dont open up we will start seeing dead children piling up on the streets, parks and parking lots around the country
But they're magically protected from outbreaks in schools, unlike say summer camps and day cares where we have had flare ups.
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But they're magically protected from outbreaks in schools, unlike say summer camps and day cares where we have had flare ups.
there haven't been flare ups. Stop the gossip.
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AISD (Austin) is going virtual learning only for at least the first three weeks of school.
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tholdren
there haven't been flare ups. Stop the gossip.
th:lolldren trying to defy plain reality.
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TSA
Recognizing the severe harm caused to kids when they are not able to attend school and advocating for them is now an "evil ideology" :lmao You are so far off the deep end, seek help. And tell your wife to find a new line of work. We don't need terrified teachers who don't understand science teaching our kids anyways.
which is more harmful, tens of thousands of deaths or missing in person school for a semester?
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Israel tried to open schools, got huge outbreak, had to shut down
Like USA, Israel is worse off now that it was at its very successful end of May, more successful than USA has ever been
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tholdren
there haven't been flare ups. Stop the gossip.
LOL fake news Dr Tholdren Ph. D
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Here's the sure-fire formula for success:
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ChumpDumper
Here's the sure-fire formula for success:
And that bothers you. Sad you hate science
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baseline bum
LOL fake news Dr Tholdren Ph. D
Thats redundant. The way you are using dr. And PhD.
But I will take that as a compliment and a white flag. Let you proceed
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And that bothers you. Sad you hate science
th:loldren unable to recognize sarcasm. Sad.
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tholdren
Thats redundant. The way you are using dr. And PhD.
But I will take that as a compliment and a white flag. Let you proceed
The Dr because you're a medical doctor and the Ph.D for your math degree, right?
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The Dr because you're a medical doctor and the Ph.D for your math degree, right?
no. More gossip from you
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no. More gossip from you
th:lolldren admits he's not educated. Sad.
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th:lolldren admits he's not educated. Sad.
InstaPWNED
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ChumpDumper
Here's the sure-fire formula for success:
nothing could go wrong there
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InstaPWNED
Uh yeah you instantly pwned yourself. Bravo
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Blake
nothing could go wrong there
what do you think specifically will go wrong?
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tholdren
no. More gossip from you
But you're a medical and mathematical expert, Dr Tholdren Ph.D
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tholdren
what do you think specifically will go wrong?
You don't even think Florida and Texas are going wrong so sorry, you don't get to be in on the discussion. You'll just have to settle for your F5 lololol ankle biting bit.
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Donald Trump, Betsy DeVos and the GOP have no clue about the tsunami that is going to hit them
"And after all those plans are made, and those districts that opted for in-person learning have opened their doors for two weeks,
one child is going to come to school sick.
Maybe whoever he/she goes home to will fall ill.
Someone, either a child, a teacher or family member, at some point, will get very sick, and
someone may even be hospitalized and die.
That news will fly across social media at speeds we can scarcely contemplate.
In a matter of hours parents will be screaming at school administrators, at teachers, even at each other, pointing fingers and
asking why this particular child was permitted in the school at all.
Entire classes will be quarantined and the schools shut down and deep-cleaned.
People who had returned to work, counting on their kids being in class during the day, will have to come home to take care of their children.
In this Hobbesian work environment Americans are facing,
many of them will be fired or let go by employers because of this.
Two weeks later, the school reopens, and the same thing happens again.
Not only in public schools, but at those nice colleges as well.
And then, suddenly it’s October, and despite all the best laid plans, things are shutting down again.
Only a few schools, mostly in outlying, rural areas, remain open with physical in-presence instruction.
American parents are helpless and they are infuriated. Infuriated beyond measure.
Their kids are home, and although the teachers are making truly heroic efforts, it’s the same substandard instruction.
Some parents are infuriated that the schools had to close again,
some are infuriated that they were ever opened in the first place.
But everyone is angry, angrier than they have ever been in their lives about anything."
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/15/1960514/-Donald-Trump-Betsy-DeVos-and-the-GOP-have-no-clue-about-the-tsunami-that-is-going-to-hit-them?detail=emaildkre
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Donald Trump, Betsy DeVos and the GOP have no clue about the tsunami that is going to hit them
"And after all those plans are made, and those districts that opted for in-person learning have opened their doors for two weeks,
one child is going to come to school sick.
Maybe whoever he/she goes home to will fall ill.
Someone, either a child, a teacher or family member, at some point, will get very sick, and
someone may even be hospitalized and die.
That news will fly across social media at speeds we can scarcely contemplate.
In a matter of hours parents will be screaming at school administrators, at teachers, even at each other, pointing fingers and
asking why this particular child was permitted in the school at all.
Entire classes will be quarantined and the schools shut down and deep-cleaned.
People who had returned to work, counting on their kids being in class during the day, will have to come home to take care of their children.
In this Hobbesian work environment Americans are facing,
many of them will be fired or let go by employers because of this.
Two weeks later, the school reopens, and the same thing happens again.
Not only in public schools, but at those nice colleges as well.
And then, suddenly it’s October, and despite all the best laid plans, things are shutting down again.
Only a few schools, mostly in outlying, rural areas, remain open with physical in-presence instruction.
American parents are helpless and they are infuriated. Infuriated beyond measure.
Their kids are home, and although the teachers are making truly heroic efforts, it’s the same substandard instruction.
Some parents are infuriated that the schools had to close again,
some are infuriated that they were ever opened in the first place.
But everyone is angry, angrier than they have ever been in their lives about anything."
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/15/1960514/-Donald-Trump-Betsy-DeVos-and-the-GOP-have-no-clue-about-the-tsunami-that-is-going-to-hit-them?detail=emaildkre
You think Betsy Devos gives two fucks? She is rich because of a https://i.ibb.co/x7wPFZd/triange.png scheme that preys on the poor to kick money upstairs like the mafia.
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How many kids need to be on a ventilator before they say oops
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Blake
How many kids need to be on a ventilator before they say oops
how many kids on vetilators at the beginning of this year or from spring break or from covid parties or ....... use stats not gossip.
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tholdren
how many kids on vetilators at the beginning of this year or from spring break or from covid parties or ....... use stats not gossip.
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Originally Posted by
TSA
Nope, those aren't answers.
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tholdren
I like gossip
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TSA
Its science
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TSA
They are opening schools in the fall
https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-m...s-fall-2020#/0
You guys are morons
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Blake
only half time. Can you gossip less?
New York’s public schools plan to offer a mix of in-person classes and remote learning when a new school year starts — with students going to school one to three days a week, in order to cut the number of people in buildings and prevent the spread of the coronavirus
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Blake
Lolololol gossiped name called. And was wrong per usual.
LololIokik typical chumpdump crew
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tholdren
only half time. Can you gossip less?
New York’s public schools plan to offer a mix of in-person classes and remote learning when a new school year starts — with students going to school one to three days a week, in order to cut the number of people in buildings and prevent the spread of the coronavirus
Sounds like a solid plan :tu
And mask wearing at all times needs to be enforced. Bars and churches need to remain CLOSED.
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midnightpulp
Sounds like a solid plan :tu
And mask wearing at all times needs to be enforced. Bars and churches need to remain CLOSED.
Bwaahahahahahhahaha
Solid plan
Bwahahhahahahahaah
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TSA
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Originally Posted by your article saying something you can't run from
Staff risk in schools likely looks similar to the risk of any adult working in a crowded indoor environment during the pandemic. School opening plans must consider teacher safety in addition to the well-being of students.
What is Trumps plan for that?
Lay some ol' Devos widsom on me, bootlick. Other than lining her pockets by loosing rules on student loans, she doesn't seem to have one.
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How many kids need to be on a ventilator before they say oops
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TSA
Not really an answer.
Rare things still happen. One in a hundred thousand will still mean thousands of kids will need ventilators, if all 30M of them get sick, and many many more times that will have all sorts of nasty organ damage, up to and including neurological problems that will haunt them, possibily for hte rest of their lives.
Economically, that is a huge amount of damage, because you are talking about degradation over a 60 to 70 year span.
Until there is a vaccine there is a pretty huge price to pay.
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tholdren
Lolololol gossiped name called. And was wrong per usual.
LololIokik typical chumpdump crew
Whines about gossip and name calling then proceeds to gossip and name call.
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LOL Trump is ok with sending your kid to school but when it comes to his golden son, he has to think about it like----real hard.
:lmao trumpers
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RandomGuy
Not really an answer.
Rare things still happen. One in a hundred thousand will still mean thousands of kids will need ventilators, if all 30M of them get sick, and many many more times that will have all sorts of nasty organ damage, up to and including neurological problems that will haunt them, possibily for hte rest of their lives.
Economically, that is a huge amount of damage, because you are talking about degradation over a 60 to 70 year span.
Until there is a vaccine there is a pretty huge price to pay.
yes even sweden who kept kids at school and did nothing full scale lockdown had less than flu rate deaths or any of this craziness you are describing
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Originally Posted by
RandomGuy
Not really an answer.
Rare things still happen. One in a hundred thousand will still mean thousands of kids will need ventilators, if all 30M of them get sick, and many many more times that will have all sorts of nasty organ damage, up to and including neurological problems that will haunt them, possibily for hte rest of their lives.
Economically, that is a huge amount of damage, because you are talking about degradation over a 60 to 70 year span.
Until there is a vaccine there is a pretty huge price to pay.
“if all 30 million of them get sick” :rollin
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Florida teen met friends against family’s wishes.
Now dad has COVID-19, fighting for his life
https://globalnews.ca/news/7188224/f...onavirus-teen/
To Trash, his mafiya, and spineless Repugs, who don't give a fuck about you, what's a few 1000 debilitated or dead parents?
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boutons_deux
Florida teen met friends against family’s wishes.
Now dad has COVID-19, fighting for his life
https://globalnews.ca/news/7188224/f...onavirus-teen/
To Trash, his mafiya, and spineless Repugs, who don't give a fuck about you, what's a few 1000 debilitated or dead parents?
Stupid virus doesn't know it's not supposed to transmit from young people.
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Blake
here's blake insisting schools are opening fully in the fall. Just like he said he didn't. And the name calling for emphasis. He was wrong btw
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tholdren
here's blake insisting schools are opening fully in the fall. Just like he said he didn't. And the name calling for emphasis. He was wrong btw
Nowhere in my quote did I say they are "opening fully".
Why are you blatantly lying? Is it desperation?
"New York City public schools are planning a part-time return to classrooms this fall with in-person instruction two or three days a week, officials said Wednesday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...basis-n1233162
You're a retarded piece of lying shit. To be honest. :tu
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Blake
Nowhere in my quote did I say they are "opening fully".
Why are you blatantly lying? Is it desperation?
"New York City public schools are
planning a part-time return to classrooms this fall with in-person instruction two or three days a week, officials said Wednesday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...basis-n1233162
You're a retarded piece of lying shit. To be honest. :tu
This is another blake lie. He said schools were opening fully
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How a Christian Summer Camp Ended Up With 82 Cases of COVID
Camp sessions opened on May 30 with an impressive roster of new safety measures in place, including
new low-contact drop-off procedures,
new air filtration systems,
daily temperature checks,
quarantine protocols, and more.
But on June 26, the camp notified parents by email that there were two positive COVID-19 cases at K-2, one of its six camp locations.
Over the next few days, the number of diagnoses climbed to 82.
K-2 shut down, and
parents from 10 states scrambled to pick up their children early.
The CDC’s COVID guidelines for summer camps, issued in May, lists
campers coming from outside the local geographic area as a “highest risk” factor.
Some parents say the camp has been incommunicative with them as the outbreak spread.
“There was 0 communication or efforts made from Kanakuk to contact us regarding the closure. Nothing!”
campers were assembled in a single large group to receive the news about the diagnoses, furthering their exposure.
She said kids gathered again that same night for a “mosh-pit-style” dance party, where not everyone wore their masks
Kanakuk is one of the largest sleep-away camps in the country, serving 20,000 children in a typical summer. Its unofficial motto is “I Am Third”:
God is first,
others come second, and
the self comes last. :lol How cute-sy!
The camp is now a well-known brand among evangelical Christians, particularly in the South.
To me, once they have 82 cases in K-2, you’re just asking for the same thing happening in the other campuses,” he said.
“Why don’t we just be safe and stop everything?”
Instead, the camp’s other locations will apparently remain open for the rest of the summer.
https://slate.com/human-interest/202...-covid-19.html
God comes first? GMAFB Kanakuk's $$$ comes first
fucking Christian summer indoctrination madrasas as super-spreader events.
How many will be debilitated or die?
Thought and prayers don't work? what a surprise
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Blake
Here's blake saying schools opening up fully so he could call names because he didn't understand context behind the plan to make 2 schools for kids in ny..... lots of blake gossip lies and name-calling and wrong . Lots of wrong
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tholdren
Here's blake saying schools opening up fully
Wrong.
We can just stop as soon as you lie.
Didn't take long.
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Originally Posted by
tholdren
Here's blake saying schools opening up fully so he could call names because he didn't understand context behind the plan to make 2 schools for kids in ny..... lots of blake gossip lies and name-calling and wrong . Lots of wrong
Who are you trying to convince? You're a really weird dude
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Blake
Who are you trying to convince? You're a really weird dude
Fully open schools in NY..... wrong
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tholdren
Fully
th:lolldren lies
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ChumpDumper
th:lolldren lies
Fully
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First I've finally heard from a school talking about worst case scenarios. Too bad it's not politicians talking about it too.
"Texas universities planning for students returning to class this fall in the midst of a global pandemic are already preparing for the possibility that they could have to abruptly shut down campus again if conditions worsen.
Earlier this month, the University of Texas at Austin laid out a list of scenarios that could trigger a midsemester closure. Prominent on the list: a student's death...."
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07...re-fall-death/
Still rather peculiar and distasteful they don't mention staff.
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'Alarming':
Trump Blocks CDC Officials From Testifying to Education Panel on School Reopenings
"It's imperative that we listen to the experts... the president is barring them from the room."
the Trump administration is
blocking Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials
—including agency director Dr. Robert Redfield—
from testifying at a congressional hearing next week on school reopenings
as the White House continues its efforts to force the resumption of in-person classes in the fall.
"This lack of transparency does a great disservice to the many communities across the country facing difficult decisions about reopening schools this fall."
"The administration's strategy of prioritizing politics over science has had a devastating impact on our country throughout this pandemic,"
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/07/18/alarming-trump-blocks-cdc-officials-testifying-education-panel-school-reopenings?cd-origin=rss
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Fox News guest says teachers union conspiring to close schools so they can ‘sexualize our children’
https://images.dailykos.com/images/8...png?1594918294
Fox News’ push right now is to have schools reopen, children go to school, teachers return to classrooms, and the world to pretend that the COVID-19 pandemic is just a bad case of the flu.
Ingraham ... explained that
“leftist teachers unions” were punishing children in service of some commie political agenda.
Ingraham connected the dots to
Black Lives Matter,
defunding the police,
Medicare for All,
stimulus checks for undocumented immigrants,
a tax on the rich, and
a ban on charter schools.
former Los Angeles Unified school teacher Rebecca Friedrichs ...
explained that the pushback by unions over reopening classrooms is a “smokescreen” for a far more wicked agenda:
The unions, and specifically teachers’ unions,
“are actually using our schools to sexualize our children and to train them in anti-American ideology.”
According to Friedrichs, this massive indoctrination plan is coordinated with “over 180 organizations” including
“the CDC, Planned Parenthood, and Black Lives Matter incorporated.”
Friedrichs explained that she has been “shouting about this for decades.”
the conspiracy is to force children to only learn online. Because learning online is how they do the sexualization-of-our-children thing.
REBECCA FRIEDRICHS: It is shocking what they're teaching our children online through virtual learning.
They are teaching our children to sext,
to view pornography.
They are hooking them up with online sex experts.
So what they are doing is grooming our children for sexual predators to use them.
This is child abuse.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...tail=emaildksp
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Blake
First I've finally heard from a school talking about worst case scenarios. Too bad it's not politicians talking about it too.
"Texas universities planning for students returning to class this fall in the midst of a global pandemic are already preparing for the possibility that they could have to abruptly shut down campus again if conditions worsen.
Earlier this month, the University of Texas at Austin laid out a list of scenarios that could trigger a midsemester closure. Prominent on the list: a student's death...."
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07...re-fall-death/
Still rather peculiar and distasteful they don't mention staff.
its not a global pandemic anymore
Are you sure they are fully returning to school or you lying like you did w ny?
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tholdren
its not a global pandemic anymore
Fake news Dr Tholdren :lol
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baseline bum
Fake news Dr Tholdren :lol
its cdc definition not mine or yours
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Here's a start for the lazy...then go find the thresholds....
A pandemic is defined as “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”.2 The classical definition includes nothing about population immunity, virology or disease severity. By this definition, pandemics can be said to occur annually in each of the temperate southern and northern hemispheres, given that seasonal epidemics cross international boundaries and affect a large number of people
It is tempting to surmise that the complicated pandemic definitions used by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of the United States of America involved severity1,10 in a deliberate attempt to garner political attention and financial support for pandemic preparedness. As noted by Doshi, the perceived need for this support can be understood given concerns about influenza A(H5N1) and the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). However, conflating spread and severity allowed the suggestion that 2009 A(H1N1) was not a pandemic. It was, in fact, a classical pandemic, only much less severe than many had anticipated or were prepared to acknowledge, even as the evidence accumulated
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tholdren
I'm a liar
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Originally Posted by
tholdren
Here's a start for the lazy...then go find the thresholds....
A pandemic is defined as “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”.2 The classical definition includes nothing about population immunity, virology or disease severity. By this definition, pandemics can be said to occur annually in each of the temperate southern and northern hemispheres, given that seasonal epidemics cross international boundaries and affect a large number of people
It is tempting to surmise that the complicated pandemic definitions used by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of the United States of America involved severity1,10 in a deliberate attempt to garner political attention and financial support for pandemic preparedness. As noted by Doshi, the perceived need for this support can be understood given concerns about influenza A(H5N1) and the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). However, conflating spread and severity allowed the suggestion that 2009 A(H1N1) was not a pandemic. It was, in fact, a classical pandemic, only much less severe than many had anticipated or were prepared to acknowledge, even as the evidence accumulated
You go look for it dumbass, your claim
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baseline bum
You go look for it dumbass, your claim
I already have it. Thats why I know not in pandemic or epidemic thresholds. Great name calling
Now show your proof for your fake numbers
