The Left Case Against Supporting Joe Biden in the General Election

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Biden Is in Denial About the Republican Party

The Democratic nominee insists that he can restore bipartisan comity :lol

on Capitol Hill. GOP senators suggest otherwise.

a vivid rebuke to Biden’s theory of the presidency.

He believes that once Trump is gone, Republicans on Capitol Hill will return to the low-key, courteous mien that Biden remembers (or thinks he remembers) from his long career in the Senate. :lol

Biden’s sincere, long-standing belief in bipartisanship :lol

Biden continues to act, however, as though appeals to propriety can work. :lol

Biden’s heartfelt appeal doesn’t appear to have moved a single senator.

filibuster—a tool that many Democrats want to eliminate, but that

Biden, himself a proceduralist, prefers to keep.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/bidens-illusory-bipartisanship/616431

Biden saw Repug 100% obstructionism under Obama.

WTF is he thinking?

bipartisan comity? :lol

Repugs haven't been bipartisan at least since Gingrich

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If the senate is flipped, he can claim "bipartisan" all he wants.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

lets see what IronMexican has to say, or what chapotraphouse, etc, are saying

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Its been said. She shouldn't have kept going and is a moron for not retiring over half a decade ago

But if you like podcasts, check this one out on H W


https://theintercept.com/2018/12/05/...-war-criminal/

Tbh not interested in justifications for enabling a trump reelection

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

Tbh not interested in justifications for enabling a trump reelection

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"We're gonna move the country to the left by working to keep a right wing oligarch in power!"

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Originally Posted by Will Hunting

"We're gonna move the country to the left by working to keep a right wing oligarch in power!"

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What's this then?

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Originally Posted by Will Hunting

but yeah Biden is definitely going to pull an Obama with :cry muh country needs to heal :cry

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Originally Posted by Will Hunting

"We're gonna move the country to the left by working to keep a right wing oligarch in power!"

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Biden fans: "we gonna move the country left by working to elect a different right wing "democratic" oligarch to power!!"

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Originally Posted by hater

Biden fans: "we gonna move the country left by working to elect a different right wing "democratic" oligarch to power!!"

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Biden wants to keep:

Obamacare
Balance the courts
Police from murdering blacks unchecked

Trump wants to get rid of:

Obamacare and replace it with seemingly nothing
Throw the courts into a tailspin that favors him and only him
Give police even more authority to kill without interference

How do you still not get it? Lol

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Originally Posted by Will Hunting

"We're gonna move the country to the left by working to keep a right wing oligarch in power!"

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i actually understand the working theory. i just think its stupid.

its accelerationism. socdems, but more often outright socialists (not sure where IM falls on that, i'm in the former category), dont believe that we will ever reach the desired outcome through incremental reforms, and think we need a shock event to inspire sweeping changes/revolution. the idea is that under a biden presidency they will become complacent, not make meaningful changes... but its chaos and harm that creates the conditions that make a political "revolution" more likely, and trump represents that necessary danger.

i just dont think it necessarily follows. i just think 4 more years of disastrous trump will feed into "orange man bad" or "republicans bad" and we just need any dem to get in there and fix things. in the meantime, we are putting millions of people in suffering during what is effectively a cruel experiment... so these affluent internet socialists dont mind because they'll be fine (they arent going to lose their healthcare, etc), while millions of people are suffering directly under trump, not to mention irreparable harm to the climate, our political institutions, public trust in the scientific method, etc

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Originally Posted by Reck

What's this then?

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The two aren’t mutually exclusive. I can be annoyed about the fact Biden won’t prosecute Trump for anything but still think voting Trump over Biden is stupid.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

i actually understand the working theory. i just think its stupid.

its accelerationism. socdems, but more often outright socialists (not sure where IM falls on that, i'm in the former category), dont believe that we will ever reach the desired outcome through incremental reforms, and think we need a shock event to inspire sweeping changes/revolution. the idea is that under a biden presidency they will become complacent, not make meaningful changes... but its chaos and harm that creates the conditions that make a political "revolution" more likely, and trump represents that necessary danger.

i just dont think it necessarily follows. i just think 4 more years of disastrous trump will feed into "orange man bad" or "republicans bad" and we just need any dem to get in there and fix things. in the meantime, we are putting millions of people in suffering during what is effectively a cruel experiment... so these affluent internet socialists dont mind because they'll be fine (they arent going to lose their healthcare, etc), while millions of people are suffering directly under trump, not to mention irreparable harm to the climate, our political institutions, public trust in the scientific method, etc

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It’s also not a guaranty that a shock event leads to progressivism or left wing reform.

America got lucky that the Great Depression spawned a (now dismantled) socially democratic government that protected the middle class without destroying the economy the way pure communism would. Germany got hit with the same Great Depression and it led to ultra right wing authoritarianism.

Even with Biden in power we’re already going to have a shock event with tens of millions of people kicked off their healthcare and courts that will agree with every imagineable argument to gut new healthcare reform.

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Originally Posted by Will Hunting

It’s also not a guaranty that a shock event leads to progressivism or left wing reform.

America got lucky that the Great Depression spawned a (now dismantled) socially democratic government that protected the middle class without destroying the economy the way pure communism would. Germany got hit with the same Great Depression and it led to ultra right wing authoritarianism.

Even with Biden in power we’re already going to have a shock event with tens of millions of people kicked off their healthcare and courts that will agree with every imagineable argument to gut new healthcare reform.

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of course not. and i think the current political climate of the US would be more conducive to people caving more towards a fascist strongman to save us than a socialist revolution

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Originally Posted by Ef-man

If the senate is flipped, he can claim "bipartisan" all he wants.

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too-old-school institutionalist, archaic Joe Biden is for maintaining the filibuster.

Even if Biden gets a Senate majority, it won't be solid, with some Dem Senators voting with the minority Repugs to block major legislation.

Wait 'til the left finds out that Hunter's company made money!

From people!






















Yeah!

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

of course not. and i think the current political climate of the US would be more conducive to people caving more towards a fascist strongman to save us than a socialist revolution

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Definitely the people who control a senate/electoral college majority.

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Originally Posted by Reck

Biden wants to keep:

Obamacare
Balance the courts
Police from murdering blacks unchecked

Trump wants to get rid of:

Obamacare and replace it with seemingly nothing
Throw the courts into a tailspin that favors him and only him
Give police even more authority to kill without interference

How do you still not get it? Lol

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Trump also wants to defund Medicare.

This thread aged extremely well. :lmao OP

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Trump also wants to defund Medicare.

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yeah but biden doesnt want to de-commodify all housing so he's literally the same thing

these internet socialists arent affected by shit like medicare cuts or mistreatment of immigrants/refugees

Trump gives speech at a rally in Minnesota praising the crowd for their great genes, talking about racehorse theory... when earlier in the speech talking about how bad Somali immigrants have been and how he's glad to deport them back.

But Biden isn't behind medicare for all so he's literally the same as trump

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Trump also wants to defund Medicare.

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... and Medicaid.

Privatize everything, delivering shitty products so Capitalists can vampire-suck Americans dry.