***** Official All-Inclusive 2020 Election Night Thread *****

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Originally Posted by Warlord23

In addition to immigration, I think the Dems need to agree to disagree on social issues. It makes no sense to have a one-size-fits-all policy on guns, feminism and other social issues. What works in California won't work in the midwest. They need to adapt like the Republicans have - R candidates in Blue states are strongly anti-Trump while the Red-state Rs can't wait to suck him off

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Yeah agreed on this. Dems need to stop making pro choice a required stance for all of their candidates. They need to start running pro gun and pro life populist senate candidates in red states the way Republicans run candidates like Larry Hogan and Charlie Baker in blue states

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Originally Posted by midnightpulp

The hispanic base still majorly breaks for Dems, but Hispanic-Americans do have their own form of "hick." Here in California, the hispanics I know who like Trump are fully Americanized, but he appeals to them through his immigration stance and "tell it like it is" bluster, which I guess we can call machismo, but it's more similar to how hick voters describe what they like about Trump. That "he's real and doesn't hold back."

I'd say the Cubans are probably more attracted to the "machismo" idea.

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Honestly this is not the full story I have a Hispanic relative from Central America and she and all her friends from all over the region are very well educated and most went red as they come from countries with socialistic or dictator type rule and believe in having as much autonomy and individual freedom as possible. This is in a blue state but they all vote red. They are not anti-immigrant but very anti-illegal immigrant.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

especially for hispanics that dont even know what socialism means, like yourself

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Its a dumb label to ever embrace in the US and gains nothing tbh. Especially since many immigrants ran from here from governments calling themselves socialist all through the 20th century. Vietnamese immigrants still trend way redder than other Asian groups for the same reason as Cubans

The fact the socialist label clearly worked in scaring people away from Biden just shows the Republicans are always going be able to convince 40% of the country that the Democrat is a socialist, even when he’s clearly not. The Democrats need to stop moving to the right in an attempt to combat right wing feat mongering about socialism.

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Originally Posted by Will Hunting

The fact the socialist label clearly worked in scaring people away from Biden just shows the Republicans are always going be able to convince 40% of the country that the Democrat is a socialist, even when he’s clearly not. The Democrats need to stop moving to the right in an attempt to combat right wing feat mongering about socialism.

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Welcome to latin america as thats been happening for decades. And its a US talking point btw

Best thing demoshits can do is do what Bernie did. Call themselves socialists and take a stand

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Originally Posted by hater

Welcome to latin america as thats been happening for decades. And its a US talking point btw

Best thing demoshits can do is do what Bernie did. Call themselves socialists and take a stand

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I would prefer someone just run on Bernie’s platform without self labeling as a socialist and when people call him a socialist say “If you want to call me a socialist for providing universal healthcare and better safety nets for Americans fine but I’d rather talk about policy than labels”

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Originally Posted by Will Hunting

The fact the socialist label clearly worked in scaring people away from Biden just shows the Republicans are always going be able to convince 40% of the country that the Democrat is a socialist, even when he’s clearly not. The Democrats need to stop moving to the right in an attempt to combat right wing feat mongering about socialism.

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This is a big attempt to try and pretend it wouldnt have worked even better on Bernie or other progressives plus he would have lost the gains with old people Biden made (exit polls show him losing them by 2 points which is the best showing since 1996). Hard to hold other things constant and just assume they will stay the same then just pick up numbers in one group. Just avoid the label. FDR was virulently anti-socialist in his retoric due to its toxicity then and he passed a broad leftwing agenda. Same with LBJ who started a world war almost to wipe out what people considered socialism.

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Originally Posted by Will Hunting

I would prefer someone just run on Bernie’s platform without self labeling as a socialist and when people call him a socialist say “If you want to call me a socialist for providing universal healthcare and better safety nets for Americans fine but I’d rather talk about policy than labels”

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Maybe..

I would have lived to see a debate between bernie and trump to see what happens. My money would be on bernie.

Oh well we are fucked now

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Gotta think Harris getting the VP nod turned off a lot of latinos too. But that might be the only thing that saves them in Michigan. Doesn't look like it's going to in PA. Man the Democrats are so fucked. This election was a fucking wide-open layup with Trump crashing this nation the last eight months and best case now is one of the most narrow electoral wins we'll have seen.

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They really fucked up not putting Castro (for lack of a better name Latino of relevance) into a major speaking DNC role. Tons of people on the left called out they needed to throw hispanics a bone. Instead of letting AOC rally up the bernie bros who never mattered anyways. Hindsight i guess

I don't see where the Democrats go after tonight. Even if Biden wins who the hell do they run in 2024 and not get massacred? Harris won't stand a chance if Trump or Uday runs and the Democratic bench is horrible. The Democrats are like the Lakers if you took away LeBron and AD.

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Originally Posted by Isitjustme?

This is a big attempt to try and pretend it wouldnt have worked even better on Bernie or other progressives plus he would have lost the gains with old people Biden made (exit polls show him losing them by 2 points which is the best showing since 1996). Hard to hold other things constant and just assume they will stay the same then just pick up numbers in one group. Just avoid the label. FDR was virulently anti-socialist in his retoric due to its toxicity then and he passed a broad leftwing agenda. Same with LBJ who started a world war almost to wipe out what people considered socialism.

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I’m definitely not for a candidate calling himself a socialist the way Bernie did, I’m saying Dems shouldn’t let it dictate their policy agenda. Bernie also start embracing the woke shit way too much in 2020 vs. 2016, if there’s one thing moderates and progressives can agree on after this election it’s that we really need to back off the woke shit. The days of Elizabeth Warren spending a full 2 minute debate response talking about how she’d give transgender inmates free sex change surgery need to be over.

Lol....I wonder how the stimulus talks will go after all this?

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Originally Posted by Will Hunting

I’m definitely not for a candidate calling himself a socialist the way Bernie did, I’m saying Dems shouldn’t let it dictate their policy agenda. Bernie also start embracing the woke shit way too much in 2020 vs. 2016, if there’s one thing moderates and progressives can agree on after this election it’s that we really need to back off the woke shit. The days of Elizabeth Warren spending a full 2 minute debate response talking about how she’d give transgender inmates free sex change surgery need to be over.

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Bernie was very smart for ignoring identity politics but I'm not sure about the next-gen progressives. That video of AOC lecturing her white boyfriend about how all the ways of his white privilege is cringeworthy as fuck and undoubtedly not the way to go.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

I don't see where the Democrats go after tonight. Even if Biden wins who the hell do they run in 2024 and not get massacred? Harris won't stand a chance if Trump or Uday runs and the Democratic bench is horrible. The Democrats are like the Lakers if you took away LeBron and AD.

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To be fair people said that about the GOP after 2008 and look what happened.
Prob ripe for another cult of personality that comes up and says the right empty shit to resonate with all the empty people.

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Originally Posted by Will Hunting

I’m definitely not for a candidate calling himself a socialist the way Bernie did, I’m saying Dems shouldn’t let it dictate their policy agenda. Bernie also start embracing the woke shit way too much in 2020 vs. 2016, if there’s one thing moderates and progressives can agree on after this election it’s that we really need to back off the woke shit. The days of Elizabeth Warren spending a full 2 minute debate response talking about how she’d give transgender inmates free sex change surgery need to be over.

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i disagree that trans issues = wokeness

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Originally Posted by Isitjustme?

Bernie was very smart for ignoring identity politics but I'm not sure about the next-gen progressives. That video of AOC lecturing her white boyfriend about how all the ways of his white privilege is cringeworthy as fuck and undoubtedly not the way to go.

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Bernie ignored identity politics in 2016 but he fell into the trap in 2020. Imo it was one of the reasons why his primary performance dropped off.

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Originally Posted by johnsmith

Lol....I wonder how the stimulus talks will go after all this?

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McConnell really fucked up not doing a stimulus before the election. Trump would have won going away and it would have been a minimal price for the GOP to pay to ensure they get to keep confirming federal judges for four years as opposed to maybe only being able to deny nominations.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

McConnell really fucked up not doing a stimulus before the election. Trump would have won going away and it would have been a minimal price for the GOP to pay to ensure they get to keep confirming federal judges for four years as opposed to maybe only being able to deny nominations.

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I’m still astonished that they didn’t pass one....that seemed such an obvious strategy and makes me think that Pelosi really is the one holding it up.

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Originally Posted by LaMarcus Bryant

To be fair people said that about the GOP after 2008 and look what happened.
Prob ripe for another cult of personality that comes up and says the right empty shit to resonate with all the empty people.

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The GOP got taken over by Koch money pushing them harder right. There is no money that's going to push the Democrats anywhere but to the right.

Id vote for Michael Obama in 2024 tbqh

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Originally Posted by johnsmith

I’m still astonished that they didn’t pass one....that seemed such an obvious strategy and makes me think that Pelosi really is the one holding it up.

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McConnell kept pushing a small stimulus with his corporate immunity poison pill. He was never seriously going to pass a stimulus.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

i disagree that trans issues = wokeness

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There’s literally 500 transgender prison inmates in the entire country. I really don’t think whether the government finances their sex change surgery should be such a hot topic during a primary debate.

Most Americans don’t give a shit about “trans rights” (I’m still not sure what that means beyond what bathroom they’re allowed to use). There’s a reason the Dems immediately started to care about trans rights after gay marriage became a settled issue, they needed a new wedge issue they could talk about to avoid having to address real issues like wealth inequality and healthcare.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

McConnell really fucked up not doing a stimulus before the election. Trump would have won going away and it would have been a minimal price for the GOP to pay to ensure they get to keep confirming federal judges for four years as opposed to maybe only being able to deny nominations.

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Just imagine if Trump actually handled COVID-19 with a modicum of competence. He would have won this election in a landslide :lol

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

McConnell kept pushing a small stimulus with his corporate immunity poison pill. He was never seriously going to pass a stimulus.

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Same could be said for the house Dems and their Heroes Act. No one really thought that would pass.

This is my point that neither side really gives a fuck about anything other than votes.

Updated 7:34 AM ET

Wisconsin
97% REPORTED

Candidate		Party	Votes	Pct.
	Joseph R. Biden Jr.	Democrat	1,630,337	49.5%
	Donald J. Trump*	Republican	1,609,640	48.8
	Jo Jorgensen	Libertarian	38,264	1.2
	Total reported		3,296,836
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* Incumbent

97% of the estimated vote total has been reported.
We received more than 30,000 additional votes from Wisconsin. Nov. 4, 2020


3.2 million votes reported

Timing of results:Absentee ballots are expected to be counted by Wednesday morning.