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I am fine with Biden winning. Sleepy Joe is gonna be a kinder, gentler Trump light. Nothing substantial will change. He will cancel China tariffs so my Chinese tech stocks will triple at least. Thanks Joe.
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I am fine with Biden winning. Sleepy Joe is gonna be a kinder, gentler Trump light. Nothing substantial will change. He will cancel China tariffs so my Chinese tech stocks will triple at least. Thanks Joe.
Cheaper iPhones and Walmart t-shirts, tbh... what really matters in 'Murica...
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Cheaper iPhones and Walmart t-shirts, tbh... what really matters in 'Murica...
Accepting what is, is the first step .
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I am fine with Biden winning. Sleepy Joe is gonna be a kinder, gentler Trump light.
Did you eat a lot of paint chips as a kid?
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^^^^^
Alright, who broke the brokeback derp?
Come on, confess!
Confess, or I will post more of his tantrums.
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CENSORSHIP!
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Donald Trump beats it as well..
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I agree with everything you said. As a former democrat I'm pretty much done voting after this election. I was never down with the republicans but the democrats have also left me. I only voted in this election because I live in a swing state and also because like you said I got sick and tired of the racial division Trump was causing in this country. It forced me to get out and vote for Biden whereas if the republicans ran their typical generic boring candidate then I would have stayed at home.
I'm one of the few people that are not shocked by how many votes Trump got. I guess that has to do with growing up in NC which up until 12 years ago was a hardcore red state. It's the same state that elected a hardcore openly racist senator in Jesse Helms a bunch of times up until he decided to retire in the early '00s. So I grew up with a lot of backwards people and saw a lot of ignorance in person. I think the ignorance of this country is always a culture shock for anybody who has lived most of their lives in a blue state or even a purple state.
Thanks for the input. I appreciate it. One of the things that the presidential election does do is gets the occasional post here from one of the non-regulars. This place has become something of a ghost town, so any new viewpoints are kinda awesome in my book.
If I may:
What would bring you back to vote for Democrats? (not trying to start an argument, just get some honest feedback to inform my own view of reality)
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Thanks for the input. I appreciate it. One of the things that the presidential election does do is gets the occasional post here from one of the non-regulars. This place has become something of a ghost town, so any new viewpoints are kinda awesome in my book.
If I may:
What would bring you back to vote for Democrats? (not trying to start an argument, just get some honest feedback to inform my own view of reality)
They have to pass or actually make the effort to pass major progressive reforms whether it's universal health care, UBI, green energy, affordable housing, raising minimum wage, progressive tax code, student loan forgiveness/affordable college. I'm not really old yet still in my late 30's but I'm tired of having to compromise vote for republican lite which I refer as the democrats. When people like me speak up on any of the issues I mentioned the democratic party just tells us to shut up and keep our mouth's shut and that at least they are not as bad as the republicans.
When you don't tackle the issues I mentioned and are very similar on economic issues you can't say you are that much better than republicans. When it comes to taxes they are pretty much on the same level. Biden want's to raise the corporate tax rate after Trump lowered it which sounds great at first but when you examine it is only a slight increase of 2-3 percent and is still the second lowest corporate tax rate in American history after the Trump corporate tax rate. Republicans bitch and moan about this and make it sound like it's extremely progressive when it's not. You have some hardcore conservatives in here who are not shitting in their pants because they know Biden is not going to really change anything when it comes to taxes so they are fine with him. That should tell you a lot how the democratic party has changed when conservatives are not too upset about a democratic winning knowing their economic polices are only slightly different than republican policies.
I'm also tired of the democrats shoving social issues in my face all the time and telling me not to care about any other issues. I'm not saying racial issues,lgbt,gender should be tossed in the garbage but their passion about these issues seem to feign fake outrage. Every time I bring up the economic issues I mentioned earlier they bring up these social issues to use as a deflection not to focus on the economic issues. "Sure we haven't done universal health care, UBI, but we got LBGT,BLM." They will scream this point until they are blue in the face. To me it's just deflection for them not doing their job. That crap is not going to win me over it's a sign of being lazy and not actually caring about what's really important. It really shows they are nothing but a bunch of corporate whores desperately pretending to look like they are good people when they are not. It's also an insult to my intelligence.
I'm also tired of the cancel culture bs. The democrats play a huge role in this PC police bs. Most of the things they get outraged about are not worth getting outraged about it. It's just dumb and childish.
The only thing where the democrats are truly different than the republicans are that they believe in science and climate change.
Sadly even with this win with Biden I feel the democrats are going to go more to the right because they could not win more senate seats and lost congress seats. So now they feel they have to be more conservative. If you are going to go that route then whats the point of being a democrat. You are basically a republican in better packaging. With that being said I will never vote for the republican party because they don't represent anything I value. I will just chose to not vote at all period.
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I want the gubmint to give me money, call it whatever, but I deserve more.
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Cohn's gripe with RCP was that it was too Trump-friendly though :lol
what poll/aggregator did you use for your "poll map" in the other thread?
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Cohn's gripe with RCP was that it was too Trump-friendly though :lol
what poll/aggregator did you use for your "poll map" in the other thread?
538, A/A+ polls only,anything within the MoE going to Trump
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daslicer
They have to pass or actually make the effort to pass major progressive reforms whether it's universal health care, UBI, green energy, affordable housing, raising minimum wage, progressive tax code, student loan forgiveness/affordable college. I'm not really old yet still in my late 30's but I'm tired of having to compromise vote for republican lite which I refer as the democrats. When people like me speak up on any of the issues I mentioned the democratic party just tells us to shut up and keep our mouth's shut and that at least they are not as bad as the republicans.
When you don't tackle the issues I mentioned and are very similar on economic issues you can't say you are that much better than republicans. When it comes to taxes they are pretty much on the same level. Biden want's to raise the corporate tax rate after Trump lowered it which sounds great at first but when you examine it is only a slight increase of 2-3 percent and is still the second lowest corporate tax rate in American history after the Trump corporate tax rate. Republicans bitch and moan about this and make it sound like it's extremely progressive when it's not. You have some hardcore conservatives in here who are not shitting in their pants because they know Biden is not going to really change anything when it comes to taxes so they are fine with him. That should tell you a lot how the democratic party has changed when conservatives are not too upset about a democratic winning knowing their economic polices are only slightly different than republican policies.
I'm also tired of the democrats shoving social issues in my face all the time and telling me not to care about any other issues. I'm not saying racial issues,lgbt,gender should be tossed in the garbage but their passion about these issues seem to feign fake outrage. Every time I bring up the economic issues I mentioned earlier they bring up these social issues to use as a deflection not to focus on the economic issues. "Sure we haven't done universal health care, UBI, but we got LBGT,BLM." They will scream this point until they are blue in the face. To me it's just deflection for them not doing their job. That crap is not going to win me over it's a sign of being lazy and not actually caring about what's really important. It really shows they are nothing but a bunch of corporate whores desperately pretending to look like they are good people when they are not. It's also an insult to my intelligence.
I'm also tired of the cancel culture bs. The democrats play a huge role in this PC police bs. Most of the things they get outraged about are not worth getting outraged about it. It's just dumb and childish.
The only thing where the democrats are truly different than the republicans are that they believe in science and climate change.
Sadly even with this win with Biden I feel the democrats are going to go more to the right because they could not win more senate seats and lost congress seats. So now they feel they have to be more conservative. If you are going to go that route then whats the point of being a democrat. You are basically a republican in better packaging. With that being said I will never vote for the republican party because they don't represent anything I value. I will just chose to not vote at all period.
First off: Thank you for taking the time on this. That was thoughtful and looks like you put some effort into it. Both things are sadly rare here. Again, I appreciate it.
I must say, I pretty much agree with this. Maybe not 100%, but yeah, I get it.
You are not the first person that has said something similar. I will keep in mind when I get with other Democrats. This is roughly what I advocate for internally. Not always easy. Hard part is getting past the big bad socialist label that gets slapped on everything that benefits regular people over the oligarchs that fund everything.
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First off: Thank you for taking the time on this. That was thoughtful and looks like you put some effort into it. Both things are sadly rare here. Again, I appreciate it.
I must say, I pretty much agree with this. Maybe not 100%, but yeah, I get it.
You are not the first person that has said something similar. I will keep in mind when I get with other Democrats. This is roughly what I advocate for internally. Not always easy. Hard part is getting past the big bad socialist label that gets slapped on everything that benefits regular people over the oligarchs that fund everything.
A few things the democrats need to realize is:
1. Everything they do will be called socialist. Obama is the best example with ACA being called socialist. No way was it socialist considering the GOP came up with the plan during the 90's. So they shouldn't be trying to push through right wing policies hoping that they can win over republicans because it's not going to work. They are just going to scream socialism. The democrats that lost locally in my state NC ran centrist campaigns and still got their ass whooped. Democrats have to make a decision do they want go down fighting with their progressive ideals or want to go down being a fake republican. I do get it though it's very hard to combat the socialist label but the democrats can't run from it they have to find some way to fight it.
2. They have to accept not everybody who voted for Trump wasn't because of his racist rhetoric. They are a lot of people that voted for him out sheer desperation because they are hurting economically. Trump lied but he gave these people hope when he promised he would get them jobs, and good health care.
3. I say this as a college educated person but stop looking down on people who are not college educated. I have looked this up the other day but according to Wiki only about 27 percent of people have 4 year degrees in the US. Democrats like to put down struggling working class people by having their own form of social Darwinism by screaming "Well you deserved this because you didn't go to college. You should learn how to code." That's a big fuck you to these people and it's very snobby and condescending. I can see how these people can harbor strong hatred for democrats. I'm a firm believer a good majority of people are just not college material. We can't just punish these people for not being academically literate. This part is hard but we have to find a way to replace all the factory jobs that have left this country with a new industry to employ these people. That could be green energy are something else.
4. Trump was able to expand his minority base. This should really disturb the democrats long term. The republicans never will win the majority of the minority vote but if they can just make small gains of around 7-10 percent they can then win the national election with ease. Just screaming you hate racism is not going to easily win over these communities anymore. You have to be willing to find out what are the key issues they care about it actually have a plan to deal with these issues . Granted they are some communities like the Cubans, Venezuelans who are just right wing lunatics that are not worth dealing but they are others that you can easily expand your base with.
5. Covid helped Biden. You may disagree but I believe Trump would have won had Covid didn't happen. If he even handled it better and made an effort to stop it I think he would have won. This should also really disturb the democrats because the republicans can run another con man type of figure like Trump in the future that is actually intelligent
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President Trump officially more popular than Barack Obama
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over the oligarchs that fund everything.
They just funded your candidate
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They just funded your candidate
Eyup.
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daslicer
A few things the democrats need to realize is:
1. Everything they do will be called socialist. Obama is the best example with ACA being called socialist. No way was it socialist considering the GOP came up with the plan during the 90's. So they shouldn't be trying to push through right wing policies hoping that they can win over republicans because it's not going to work. They are just going to scream socialism. The democrats that lost locally in my state NC ran centrist campaigns and still got their ass whooped. Democrats have to make a decision do they want go down fighting with their progressive ideals or want to go down being a fake republican. I do get it though it's very hard to combat the socialist label but the democrats can't run from it they have to find some way to fight it.
2. They have to accept not everybody who voted for Trump wasn't because of his racist rhetoric. They are a lot of people that voted for him out sheer desperation because they are hurting economically. Trump lied but he gave these people hope when he promised he would get them jobs, and good health care.
3. I say this as a college educated person but stop looking down on people who are not college educated. I have looked this up the other day but according to Wiki only about 27 percent of people have 4 year degrees in the US. Democrats like to put down struggling working class people by having their own form of social Darwinism by screaming "Well you deserved this because you didn't go to college. You should learn how to code." That's a big fuck you to these people and it's very snobby and condescending. I can see how these people can harbor strong hatred for democrats. I'm a firm believer a good majority of people are just not college material. We can't just punish these people for not being academically literate. This part is hard but we have to find a way to replace all the factory jobs that have left this country with a new industry to employ these people. That could be green energy are something else.
4. Trump was able to expand his minority base. This should really disturb the democrats long term. The republicans never will win the majority of the minority vote but if they can just make small gains of around 7-10 percent they can then win the national election with ease. Just screaming you hate racism is not going to easily win over these communities anymore. You have to be willing to find out what are the key issues they care about it actually have a plan to deal with these issues . Granted they are some communities like the Cubans, Venezuelans who are just right wing lunatics that are not worth dealing but they are others that you can easily expand your base with.
5. Covid helped Biden. You may disagree but I believe Trump would have won had Covid didn't happen. If he even handled it better and made an effort to stop it I think he would have won. This should also really disturb the democrats because the republicans can run another con man type of figure like Trump in the future that is actually intelligent
Again, I pretty much agree on all points, especially #1.
The Republican party is so empty of actual ideas other than "cut taxes for the rich", that it should be like shooting fish in a barrel.
