Lowe: Someone in league texted me and said there's a little bit of buzz about 2 for 11 + Aldridge

When they report that the spurs have worked out Wiseman..someone has to post the itshappening.gif

I’d pick big 0 and deni over wiseman tbh. Wiseman is athletic but has no shot

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Wiggins will make more than LMA next year. His extension kicks in, and he’ll be about $31M.

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I believe he is talking from the SAS perspective; as you note, Wiggins will make more than LMA next year, #2 adds ~9 million on top of that...

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Originally Posted by pad300

I believe he is talking from the SAS perspective; as you note, Wiggins will make more than LMA next year, #2 adds ~9 million on top of that...

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I believe you are correct. there are other things the Spurs can do to stay below. Not resign Lyles, not resign Jacob or recall his QO. If DDr opts out that also gives us lots of room. I still think we had some room before the cap this year so we would have that room also.

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Originally Posted by barakz21

I think they can still get better value for Aldridge, and while not my favorite, this is actually one of the better trade ideas I’ve seen that I can get on board with. We get a young player, AND another first rounder. Plus, imagine if Robinson winds up finishing his career with the Spurs and ends up retiring getting his jersey retired. They’d have to put it right between DRob and TD’s, with his full name just for shits and giggles.

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Agreed... it's a tough call compared to #2 + Wiggins, but that Wiggins contract tends to scare me off and I don't know if Wiseman, Deni, Edwards, or anyone else at the top of this draft is good enough to counterbalance that-- I'll leave that to the scouting dept of the Spurs to decide on. But my guess here is that a couple of shots at the middle of the draft is somewhere that the Spurs can harvest success, and at a lower cost than a #2.

please don't keep demar :rolleyes

Am I the only one who wouldn't mind andrew wiggins? This coming season is shortened. Who cares. Deal with his contract for 1 season and in his contract year he shows his potential so he can get paid again, haha.

No thanks on Wiggins, don’t need another DeRozan type player on the team

The Hornets would be the perfect third team if the Spurs don't want Wiggins long term. Nicolas Batum's contact his expires this season and his salary matches LMA's.


Spurs Get: 2nd pick and Batum's expiring contract.
Hornets Get: Wiggins.
Warrior Get: LMA and 32nd pick from Hornets.

Spurs get the 2nd pick without giving up the 11. Hornets get Wiggins for almost nothing. Warriors get LMA and basically recoup the 2nd rounder that they traded away to Dallas.

I like that trade

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Originally Posted by Kevin

The Hornets would be the perfect third team if the Spurs don't want Wiggins long term. Nicolas Batum's contact his expires this season and his salary matches LMA's.


Spurs Get: 2nd pick and Batum's expiring contract.
Hornets Get: Wiggins.
Warrior Get: LMA and 32nd pick from Hornets.

Spurs get the 2nd pick without giving up the 11. Hornets get Wiggins for almost nothing. Warriors get LMA and basically recoup the 2nd rounder that they traded away to Dallas.

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Whats charlotte get for helping us out?

If there’s anyway possible we can keep 11 while trading dd or Aldridge for a top 5 pick . That would be huge

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Originally Posted by Kevin

The Hornets would be the perfect third team if the Spurs don't want Wiggins long term. Nicolas Batum's contact his expires this season and his salary matches LMA's.


Spurs Get: 2nd pick and Batum's expiring contract.
Hornets Get: Wiggins.
Warrior Get: LMA and 32nd pick from Hornets.

Spurs get the 2nd pick without giving up the 11. Hornets get Wiggins for almost nothing. Warriors get LMA and basically recoup the 2nd rounder that they traded away to Dallas.

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why do Hornets want Wiggins?

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Originally Posted by Dhbsr555

If there’s anyway possible we can keep 11 while trading dd or Aldridge for a top 5 pick . That would be huge

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No. I doubt Derozan can even be traded on draft night.

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Originally Posted by rankingtear

No. I doubt Derozan can even be traded on draft night.

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We could trade LMA ang get a top pick if the other team agrees. I would also think DDR would have to opt in or opt out by draft. If he opts in He can be traded as well.

I don't know if I am late to the party today on this rumor, but the buzz I'm hearing today from SA sportstalk is that the idea is for GS to send their #2 pick to SA, & Draymond Green, & we send them LMA & our number 11 pick. And SA would pick Wiseman. Now... Draymond Green??? Hmmmm…. as I think of this, my first thought is NOOOO!!! Well, for one, I wonder how he would react to Pop's coaching? But if this team is looking for a good defender, playmaker, tough competitor and a tough leader in the locker room & a dog on the floor, well... Draymond is your man. But this is the latest buzz that's going on with the Spurs right now. Now, I'm torn on this, but will it happen? Well, I have my popcorn! :)

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Originally Posted by Larry O

I don't know if I am late to the party today on this rumor, but the buzz I'm hearing today from SA sportstalk is that the idea is for GS to send their #2 pick to SA, & Draymond Green, & we send them LMA & our number 11 pick. And SA would pick Wiseman. Now... Draymond Green??? Hmmmm…. as I think of this, my first thought is NOOOO!!! Well, for one, I wonder how he would react to Pop's coaching? But if this team is looking for a good defender, playmaker, tough competitor and a tough leader in the locker room & a dog on the floor, well... Draymond is your man. But this is the latest buzz that's going on with the Spurs right now. Now, I'm torn on this, but will it happen? Well, I have my popcorn! :)

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I can't stand Draymond but I would be able to suck up for a few years while our young guys develop. Once they are developed we can just dump his ass since his contract will expire at the same time. From a comedic side seeing him and Pop yell at each other would be very entertaining.

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Originally Posted by Larry O

I don't know if I am late to the party today on this rumor, but the buzz I'm hearing today from SA sportstalk is that the idea is for GS to send their #2 pick to SA, & Draymond Green, & we send them LMA & our number 11 pick. And SA would pick Wiseman. Now... Draymond Green??? Hmmmm…. as I think of this, my first thought is NOOOO!!! Well, for one, I wonder how he would react to Pop's coaching? But if this team is looking for a good defender, playmaker, tough competitor and a tough leader in the locker room & a dog on the floor, well... Draymond is your man. But this is the latest buzz that's going on with the Spurs right now. Now, I'm torn on this, but will it happen? Well, I have my popcorn! :)

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Pop loves Draymond Green

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Originally Posted by Larry O

I don't know if I am late to the party today on this rumor, but the buzz I'm hearing today from SA sportstalk is that the idea is for GS to send their #2 pick to SA, & Draymond Green, & we send them LMA & our number 11 pick. And SA would pick Wiseman. Now... Draymond Green??? Hmmmm…. as I think of this, my first thought is NOOOO!!! Well, for one, I wonder how he would react to Pop's coaching? But if this team is looking for a good defender, playmaker, tough competitor and a tough leader in the locker room & a dog on the floor, well... Draymond is your man. But this is the latest buzz that's going on with the Spurs right now. Now, I'm torn on this, but will it happen? Well, I have my popcorn! :)

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Too good to be true. I guess Zach left the rumor to interpretation on who is the outgoing player. Spurs are trying to find a playmaking big man for a while since Duncan left.

The Hornets are getting a player who’s averaged almost 20 points a game his entire career and who’s still only 26. That’s a pretty good return for a washed up Batum and the 32nd pick. Besides it’s not like Charolette will ever be some huge free agent destination even if Wiggins is over paid.

I hate to be the grim reaper here, but it just occurred to me that Brian Wright is our GM.

After letting that sink in, it is hard to believe that something big and/or great will occur.

However, false hope is still hope.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

The Hornets are getting a player who’s averaged almost 20 points a game his entire career and who’s still only 26. That’s a pretty good return for a washed up Batum and the 32nd pick. Besides it’s not like Charolette will ever be some huge free agent destination even if Wiggins is over paid.

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in fact it is not, and if all franchises have a little competence, the Warriors will die with this contract in your hands, as it should be, unless they pay a high price (# 2 + MIN21 for example)

Draymond and Keldon is a whole lot of nasty. I'm for this trade all the way. Need toughness on this team. No more pussies.

It's not like Draymond is old. He's only 30.

White/ Murray
Keldon/ Lonnie/ Mills
Deni or Okoro/ Mason Jones
Draymond/ Luka/ Lyles
Poetl/ Eubanks

Fuck, boy. Championship dynasty right there

No way in hell gs trades number two for Aldridge .. it’s a pipe dream .

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Originally Posted by Dhbsr555

No way in hell gs trades number two for Aldridge .. it’s a pipe dream .

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Exactly. They can have Wiseman, a potential All-Star Caliber Player. His skillset is already at a stage, that can help them right away.

Golden state isn't trading Draymond. No way in hell.

I’d rather trade up for deni or maybe trade down and get a piece for Aldridge

This would have to be for Wiseman eh?

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Originally Posted by EasyMoney

Am I the only one who wouldn't mind andrew wiggins? This coming season is shortened. Who cares. Deal with his contract for 1 season and in his contract year he shows his potential so he can get paid again, haha.

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Nah Im with you but the list is not long. That being said I would not do LMA for him I would want #2. also would not send them LMA and 11.

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Originally Posted by Shakril

Exactly. They can have Wiseman, a potential All-Star Caliber Player. His skillset is already at a stage, that can help them right away.

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First, they don’t want someone who can help them they want someone who can help them get by the Lakers in the next 2 to 3 seasons. Wiseman is not likely going to do that. 2nd, if they just keep him it will cost them around 40 million per year with the luxury tax.

LMA and Spurs #11th pick for #2 pick and Wiggins isn't a bad deal for Warriors. If they are in win now mode they should take it. I would guess Spurs would have to add Patty Mills. Warriors would be crazy good this upcoming season.

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Originally Posted by Chillen

LMA and Spurs #11th pick for #2 pick and Wiggins isn't a bad deal for Warriors. If they are in win now mode they should take it. I would guess Spurs would have to add Patty Mills. Warriors would be crazy good this upcoming season.

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It's a great deal for the Warriors. If they can get off one of the 5 worst contracts in the NBA & add a stretch 5 in exchange for moving down just 9 places in a bad draft that's unreal. The Spurs would be insane to do that.

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Originally Posted by Dhbsr555

No way in hell gs trades number two for Aldridge .. it’s a pipe dream .

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It sounds more like the framework rather than the trade itself. A trade between the two teams would probably be something like:

Aldridge, Gay and #11 for Wiggins, Looney and #2

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Originally Posted by Shakril

Exactly. They can have Wiseman, a potential All-Star Caliber Player. His skillset is already at a stage, that can help them right away.

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No, it’s not. He’s played a grand total of 3 college games. He’s not ready, he’s two years away, or maybe 3.

The Warriors are also DROWNING, financially. Not all organizational decisions are made based on on the court issues. Their payroll, without #2, is $148M next season, and $158 the year after that. They are also in 3.5 territory, tax wise, meaning tha for every $1 over the tax they are, they pay $3.50 in luxury tax. I don think they’ve finalized the numbers for next year, but their bill will be significant, moreso the following season.

#2 presents its own problem to them. The salary for that spot is $9M for year one. Now, slap the tax on that for GS, and it becomes 9+(3.5X9)M, or, $40M for year one alone. Can you see why they don’t mind offloading #2?

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Originally Posted by exstatic

No, it’s not. He’s played a grand total of 3 college games. He’s not ready, he’s two years away, or maybe 3.

The Warriors are also DROWNING, financially. Not all organizational decisions are made based on on the court issues. Their payroll, without #2, is $148M next season, and $158 the year after that. They are also in 3.5 territory, tax wise, meaning tha for every $1 over the tax they are, they pay $3.50 in luxury tax. I don think they’ve finalized the numbers for next year, but their bill will be significant, moreso the following season.

#2 presents its own problem to them. The salary for that spot is $9M for year one. Now, slap the tax on that for GS, and it becomes 9+(3.5X9)M, or, $40M for year one alone. Can you see why they don’t mind offloading #2?

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Exactly. And with Wiggins' salary being 30m, 31m and 33m in the next three years, don't think Spurs would give up Aldridge AND #11 for Wiggins +#2.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Keep in mind: As much as Wiggins is an albatross, they actually need him until they can find a viable replacement on the wing.

It'd be similar for the Spurs. If they lose Aldridge and DeRozan, they need someone to inherit their role. He can't credibly do it, but by default he'd serve as the go-to scorer for a team trying to avoid bottoming out. In that sense, he'd represent some value to them and the Warriors would know this.

Anyway, it's not happening, but hypothetically speaking that's the only variation that could make sense.




:lmao

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You have a good point, which is why I think the deal doesn't happen without 11. They are banking on an upgrade at the front court AND getting either Vassel or Bey to fill the whole on the wing with a 3 and D prospect. Not ideal to put a rookie in the SL, but when you have Curry, Thompson, Green and LA there all you need is a young kid with the prototypical wing body who can play defense. It's actually pretty smart on their part. I think to make it all work you go:

To GS - LA & 11

To SA - Wiggins, 2, & Minny's 21 1st rounder

This really is win win for everyone.

GS gets a win now player who will immediately bolster their lineup for at least a year or two to compete with LA (the Clippers and rockets will both be looking for bigs this year to hold down AD so the importance of GS having one is more important than ever). They also get a pick that allows them to fill a need at the wing with a defensive rookie. And they can fill out the roster with ring chasing vets per usual.

The spurs should not be trying to win this year. The west is an arms race, the streak is broken, and we need to focus on rebuild. Enter Wiggins, a perennial under achiever on an albatross contact. Put him along the youngsters and let pop and chip work their magic. He's had steady improvement recently so the evidence points to continued improvement with good coaching. Best case he finally reaches his #1 overall potential; worst case he flounders a bit and we offload his contract at the and of the year. His contact will have one less year on it which will make him more appealing to other teams and it won't hurt us long term. We can trade DDR with this also to free up guard minutes for the young guys and get an asset or two for him while we're at it since Wiggins can step into the 3 spot. Pick up a few vets to fill in the frontcourt. Stick number 2 in Austin (not ideal, but let's be honest that's what pop will do anyway) and we end up with two 1st rounder next year with a better draft that we can use on two guys or to move up again.

Again, everyone wins here. But knowing how ridiculously stupid Minny is they'll probably end up sending KAT to GS to get their first rounder back 😂

^ that’s more of what I can see

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You have a good point, which is why I think the deal doesn't happen without 11. They are banking on an upgrade at the front court AND getting either Vassel or Bey to fill the whole on the wing with a 3 and D prospect. Not ideal to put a rookie in the SL, but when you have Curry, Thompson, Green and LA there all you need is a young kid with the prototypical wing body who can play defense. It's actually pretty smart on their part. I think to make it all work you go:

To GS - LA & 11

To SA - Wiggins, 2, & Minny's 21 1st rounder

This really is win win for everyone.

GS gets a win now player who will immediately bolster their lineup for at least a year or two to compete with LA (the Clippers and rockets will both be looking for bigs this year to hold down AD so the importance of GS having one is more important than ever). They also get a pick that allows them to fill a need at the wing with a defensive rookie. And they can fill out the roster with ring chasing vets per usual.

The spurs should not be trying to win this year. The west is an arms race, the streak is broken, and we need to focus on rebuild. Enter Wiggins, a perennial under achiever on an albatross contact. Put him along the youngsters and let pop and chip work their magic. He's had steady improvement recently so the evidence points to continued improvement with good coaching. Best case he finally reaches his #1 overall potential; worst case he flounders a bit and we offload his contract at the and of the year. His contact will have one less year on it which will make him more appealing to other teams and it won't hurt us long term. We can trade DDR with this also to free up guard minutes for the young guys and get an asset or two for him while we're at it since Wiggins can step into the 3 spot. Pick up a few vets to fill in the frontcourt. Stick number 2 in Austin (not ideal, but let's be honest that's what pop will do anyway) and we end up with two 1st rounder next year with a better draft that we can use on two guys or to move up again.

Again, everyone wins here. But knowing how ridiculously stupid Minny is they'll probably end up sending KAT to GS to get their first rounder back 

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I would be ok with this. Hopefully we could buy another pick in the first round. Doubt the Spurs would do this but I se good players in this draft.

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Originally Posted by FvckMavs

Exactly. And with Wiggins' salary being 30m, 31m and 33m in the next three years, don't think Spurs would give up Aldridge AND #11 for Wiggins +#2.

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I don't think Golden State would give up the number 2 pick without the Spurs taking on Wiggins getting the number 11 pick back in return.

I think the Spurs should still absolutely make that move, if they get an opportunity at the #2 pick they should take it.

I think it's clear that the Spurs need to focus on the future. While I think LMA is our best player for the first 3 1/2 quarters of games, he's not the long-term future of this franchise. He'd make a team like the GSW pretty unstoppable if he's ok not getting touches. Even though he likes that ball, on a championship team like the Warriors he'd be scary good, and I can't see him sulking if the Warriors are on top of the West and he's just getting 8-10 shots a night. IMO the Warriors would love to swap a Wiggins for an Aldridge, with #2 and #21 exchanged for #11 to sweeten the pot. They could easily add two more titles with such an upgrade. Who wouldn't do that deal if you're GS? The Warriors walk away from that deal feeling, well, golden.

Wiseman would be a bit of a project so Spurs fans would have to be patient. He's a year or two behind DeAndre Ayton in Phoenix, and we're just now starting to see Ayton play well, two years in. I'd agree that you draft Wiseman knowing you won't start reaping the benefits of that pick until year 3.

But if any team could develop a big man, it's San Antonio. Imagine Tim and possibly even David working with him! An athletically gifted 5 with the right skills and attitude in that environment could be phenomenal once he matures.

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Originally Posted by EasyMoney

Am I the only one who wouldn't mind andrew wiggins? This coming season is shortened. Who cares. Deal with his contract for 1 season and in his contract year he shows his potential so he can get paid again, haha.

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Me neither, he is only 25 and still has lots of upside if he commits himself. But, even if he never reaches his ceiling, he is a very capable defender and shoots the three at a decent rate, so in that sense he is a better fit than DeMar.

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Originally Posted by alpha_HaZE

Me neither, he is only 25 and still has lots of upside if he commits himself. But, even if he never reaches his ceiling, he is a very capable defender and shoots the three at a decent rate, so in that sense he is a better fit than DeMar.

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I don’t believe there’s a ton of upside left, but he wouldn’t be the first player who’s game the Spurs cleaned up and made more efficient. That process may catch some other team’s eye, and net an actual asset down the road.

I think our luka sucks...:depressed

Although slight I think the league starting so quickly after the draft helps the spurs pursuit of the pick. GS pick and Wigins will not have much time to practice with the team. Also during the season I am hearing more b2b so less time to practice during the year. While LMA also would be under this reduced timeframe he has played in the league for awhile and should pick up the playbook better.

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Originally Posted by alpha_HaZE

Me neither, he is only 25 and still has lots of upside if he commits himself. But, even if he never reaches his ceiling, he is a very capable defender and shoots the three at a decent rate, so in that sense he is a better fit than DeMar.

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He turns 26 early next year, at some point, players are kind of what they are. He's a better defender and shooter than DeMar but DeMar is a superior play maker and just a better offensive player in general.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

I don’t believe there’s a ton of upside left, but he wouldn’t be the first player who’s game the Spurs cleaned up and made more efficient. That process may catch some other team’s eye, and net an actual asset down the road.

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The Spurs can clean up some of the issues that plagues his game but he probably won't be an asset, in regards to his play. I do think his contract could be pretty valuable during the final year though. Not many $33 million dollar expiring deals are actually are available via trade. The Spurs could offer him up to teams looking to unload a lot of salary in exchange for multiple picks.

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Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones

I think it's clear that the Spurs need to focus on the future. While I think LMA is our best player for the first 3 1/2 quarters of games, he's not the long-term future of this franchise. He'd make a team like the GSW pretty unstoppable if he's ok not getting touches. Even though he likes that ball, on a championship team like the Warriors he'd be scary good, and I can't see him sulking if the Warriors are on top of the West and he's just getting 8-10 shots a night. IMO the Warriors would love to swap a Wiggins for an Aldridge, with #2 and #21 exchanged for #11 to sweeten the pot. They could easily add two more titles with such an upgrade. Who wouldn't do that deal if you're GS? The Warriors walk away from that deal feeling, well, golden.

Wiseman would be a bit of a project so Spurs fans would have to be patient. He's a year or two behind DeAndre Ayton in Phoenix, and we're just now starting to see Ayton play well, two years in. I'd agree that you draft Wiseman knowing you won't start reaping the benefits of that pick until year 3.

But if any team could develop a big man, it's San Antonio. Imagine Tim and possibly even David working with him! An athletically gifted 5 with the right skills and attitude in that environment could be phenomenal once he matures.

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Add to that Wiseman and Luka S would be in theory coming of age about the same time. Roll of the dice but could be very interesting if they develop.

Have the Spurs worked out Wiseman?
If this deal goes through, I don’t think he’s their guy.
But, what a deal this would be, regardless of who the Spurs pick.

I say pick deni if we trade up.. he’s the one I want

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Originally Posted by ginobilized

Have the Spurs worked out Wiseman?
If this deal goes through, I don’t think he’s their guy.
But, what a deal this would be, regardless of who the Spurs pick.

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No, they haven't worked him out, but if he is their target it would probably be best not to because of how teams have screwed them in the past by drafting their guy, largely to keep him away from the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by Thomas82

No, they haven't worked him out, but if he is their target it would probably be best not to because of how teams have screwed them in the past by drafting their guy, largely to keep him away from the Spurs.

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That may have been true Big Three, but other teams don't give 2 shits about the Spurs now. They just want to make their own team as good as possible.

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Multiple sources have told Bleacher Report the name they keep hearing now for the Timberwolves is James Wiseman. "Some within the Golden State Warriors think Wiseman is going No. 1, whether Minnesota keeps the pick or not," one source plugged into the conversation said.

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I think GSW do #2 and Wiggins for LMA and #11 in a heartbeat. I don’t think the Spurs want to give up #11 for that Wiggins take back. Maybe LMA, Rudy Gay (trade exception) for Wiggins and #2 gets the deal done. I can’t see GSW wanting to include Looney or Green for an old version of LMA.

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That may have been true Big Three, but other teams don't give 2 shits about the Spurs now. They just want to make their own team as good as possible.

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Good point!!

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Originally Posted by rankingtear

Multiple sources have told Bleacher Report the name they keep hearing now for the Timberwolves is James Wiseman. "Some within the Golden State Warriors think Wiseman is going No. 1, whether Minnesota keeps the pick or not," one source plugged into the conversation said.

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This should be interesting. Besides us, the only other teams I know that have interest in him are the Hornets, Wizards, and Celtics.

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Originally Posted by ginobilized

Have the Spurs worked out Wiseman?
If this deal goes through, I don’t think he’s their guy.
But, what a deal this would be, regardless of who the Spurs pick.

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He worked out for GS, but there’s nothing to say that they couldn’t invite the Spurs to watch, if there is really something brewing. It would count as a GS workout,and not a Spurs one, but they could still get the info they need.

I always wondering how much of the god drafting was RC and how much of it Sam Presti. Presti has made some really good trades since he has gone to OKC and spurs not so much.

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Originally Posted by rankingtear

Multiple sources have told Bleacher Report the name they keep hearing now for the Timberwolves is James Wiseman. "Some within the Golden State Warriors think Wiseman is going No. 1, whether Minnesota keeps the pick or not," one source plugged into the conversation said.

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It’s a bluff, like Boston ran on Philly to get them to pick swap 1 for 3. Boston had no intention of picking Fulz, but they bluffed by leaking that they might. They got #3, a future pick, which I believe is this year’s #14, and they picked Tatum, who they always wanted. Minny has KAT. Using #1, which will cost $9M year one, for a development project who’s development is automatically stunted by playing behind KAT, makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

It’s a bluff, like Boston ran on Philly to get them to pick swap 1 for 3. Boston had no intention of picking Fulz, but they bluffed by leaking that they might. They got #3, a future pick, which I believe is this year’s #14, and they picked Tatum, who they always wanted. Minny has KAT. Using #1, which will cost $9M year one, for a development project who’s development is automatically stunted by playing behind KAT, makes no sense.

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I hope it is a bluff, especially since they could be potentially picking him for another team.

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

I always wondering how much of the god drafting was RC and how much of it Sam Presti. Presti has made some really good trades since he has gone to OKC and spurs not so much.

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So you didn't like the Spur's General manager R.C. Buford trading George Hill — a beloved backup point guard coach Gregg Popovich called his favorite player — to Indiana for its 15th overall pick, a 20-year-old sophomore out of San Diego State named Kawhi Leonard?

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Originally Posted by jjktkk

So you didn't like the Spur's General manager R.C. Buford trading George Hill — a beloved backup point guard coach Gregg Popovich called his favorite player — to Indiana for its 15th overall pick, a 20-year-old sophomore out of San Diego State named Kawhi Leonard?

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Unless you were in the war room, there's no concrete proof that it was Presti (or any specific individual) that was responsible for that trade. For all we know, it was a collective decision (it should be. that's how things work in big organizations).

Edit: you said RC Buford. Point still stands lol

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Originally Posted by Dejounte

Unless you were in the war room, there's no concrete proof that it was Presti (or any specific individual) that was responsible for that trade. For all we know, it was a collective decision (it should be. that's how things work in big organizations).

Edit: you said RC Buford. Point still stands lol

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Yeah, Presti had already left for Seattle, and then OKC long before PATFO swung the trade for Leonard. @talkspurs needs to do a little more research next time.

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

I always wondering how much of the god drafting was RC and how much of it Sam Presti. Presti has made some really good trades since he has gone to OKC and spurs not so much.

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The Harden trade happened. They just made the finals the year before and the difference in contract negotation was reported to be 5 million.

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Originally Posted by jjktkk

So you didn't like the Spur's General manager R.C. Buford trading George Hill — a beloved backup point guard coach Gregg Popovich called his favorite player — to Indiana for its 15th overall pick, a 20-year-old sophomore out of San Diego State named Kawhi Leonard?

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IM not saying the Spurs have not done anything good. I think OKC has done better though. Look at the trade they did last year for CP3. that was a steal by OKC. Look at the Spurs trade to toronto (a player that wanted out) vs Paul George ( a player who wanted out). Kawhi I would argue was the better Player but OKC got more.

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

IM not saying the Spurs have not done anything good. I think OKC has done better though. Look at the trade they did last year for CP3. that was a steal by OKC. Look at the Spurs trade to toronto (a player that wanted out) vs Paul George ( a player who wanted out). Kawhi I would argue was the better Player but OKC got more.

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Two totally different situations...

I don't know why whenever the Kawhi trade is brought up, that they conveniently ignore that he tanked his own value giving us very limited options for trade partners.

AND let's be real, NO ONE expected the Thunder to be in the playoffs this year. Probably not even the Thunder themselves when they traded for CP3. They probably thought he would just be a good vet for the young guys.

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Two totally different situations...

I don't know why whenever the Kawhi trade is brought up, that they conveniently ignore that he tanked his own value giving us very limited options for trade partners.

AND let's be real, NO ONE expected the Thunder to be in the playoffs this year. Probably not even the Thunder themselves when they traded for CP3. They probably thought he would just be a good vet for the young guys.

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So did george. He said he was going to LAC. That was the only place he was going.

I am not talking about the thunder going to the Playoffs. Yes I mentioned the Paul trade but they got rid of an equal player (just older but CP3 and Westbrook I would say are both equal) but they also got lots of picks.

Somehow a thread that was intended to poor cold water on this notion has done the exact opposite and added fuel to the fire. It's as if virtually no one read/listened beyond the title, despite the brevity.

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Originally Posted by Trueblood

You have a good point, which is why I think the deal doesn't happen without 11. They are banking on an upgrade at the front court AND getting either Vassel or Bey to fill the whole on the wing with a 3 and D prospect. Not ideal to put a rookie in the SL, but when you have Curry, Thompson, Green and LA there all you need is a young kid with the prototypical wing body who can play defense. It's actually pretty smart on their part. I think to make it all work you go:

To GS - LA & 11

To SA - Wiggins, 2, & Minny's 21 1st rounder

This really is win win for everyone.

GS gets a win now player who will immediately bolster their lineup for at least a year or two to compete with LA (the Clippers and rockets will both be looking for bigs this year to hold down AD so the importance of GS having one is more important than ever). They also get a pick that allows them to fill a need at the wing with a defensive rookie. And they can fill out the roster with ring chasing vets per usual.

The spurs should not be trying to win this year. The west is an arms race, the streak is broken, and we need to focus on rebuild. Enter Wiggins, a perennial under achiever on an albatross contact. Put him along the youngsters and let pop and chip work their magic. He's had steady improvement recently so the evidence points to continued improvement with good coaching. Best case he finally reaches his #1 overall potential; worst case he flounders a bit and we offload his contract at the and of the year. His contact will have one less year on it which will make him more appealing to other teams and it won't hurt us long term. We can trade DDR with this also to free up guard minutes for the young guys and get an asset or two for him while we're at it since Wiggins can step into the 3 spot. Pick up a few vets to fill in the frontcourt. Stick number 2 in Austin (not ideal, but let's be honest that's what pop will do anyway) and we end up with two 1st rounder next year with a better draft that we can use on two guys or to move up again.

Again, everyone wins here. But knowing how ridiculously stupid Minny is they'll probably end up sending KAT to GS to get their first rounder back 

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So the Warriors are now supposed to give up both of their chances to find a bridge player to their next era to dump an albatross and for a 35 year old, on an expiring contract, coming off of shoulder surgery? Come on, man.

Wiggins hasn't had steady improvement. His shot profile somewhat modernized last season, but he's still an inefficient scorer and poor 3-point shooter/defender/rebounder/play maker.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Somehow a thread that was intended to poor cold water on this notion has done the exact opposite and added fuel to the fire. It's as if virtually no one read/listened beyond the title, despite the brevity.



So the Warriors are now supposed to give up both of their chances to find a bridge player to their next era to dump an albatross and for a 35 year old, on an expiring contract, coming off of shoulder surgery? Come on, man.

Wiggins hasn't had steady improvement. His shot profile somewhat modernized last season, but he's still an inefficient scorer and poor 3-point shooter/defender/rebounder/play maker.

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Bolstering their championship aspirations or getting a bridge player?

They really can't have both. Firstly because of the financial implications.

Secondly, if Wiggins is such a lousy player, a negative asset, it would surely cost them something to get rid of him.

What do you suggest they do?

Dump Wiggins with a pick attached but keep the other one ( #2 or Minny '21 ) and go from there with the existing set of players.

As it stands they need to create a bench and get a starting calibre SF type of player. Lot to do.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

It’s a bluff, like Boston ran on Philly to get them to pick swap 1 for 3. Boston had no intention of picking Fulz, but they bluffed by leaking that they might. They got #3, a future pick, which I believe is this year’s #14, and they picked Tatum, who they always wanted. Minny has KAT. Using #1, which will cost $9M year one, for a development project who’s development is automatically stunted by playing behind KAT, makes no sense.

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this makes the most sense. It’s obvious Warriors or the Spurs do not want a guard.

Would y’all offer keldon for Wiggins plus #2 plus mint pick next year ... I say no but it’s been talked about

To each their own man, you're more than entitled to your opinion my friend.

I respectfully disagree. First off they are already looking to trade the #2 pick. If they really wanted a bridging player this is the pick to find it. If Minnesota does better this year and they come back to their previous form they run the risk of two picks that are both worse than what they have now. Perhaps they are comfortable thinking they can use them both to move up next year. But I just don't buy it. I think they aren't thinking 5 years from now. They still have Curry, Green and Thompson but at this point I wouldn't see them getting past the Lakers or the Clippers. They might even struggle against the rockets or jazz. Their window is getting close to closing but it hasn't closed yet. They aren't thinking rebuild but retool. Which is where all the smoke is coming from with the trading 2 rumors.

Maybe the spurs throw in 41? What do you think it takes to make the deal work?

Aldridge + White/Murray + #11 for #2 + Wiggins + MIN 2021 1st + TPE.

I think this would get it done. Although if GS think they have a shot at Beal or Giannis at the deadline they may not want to part with MIN 2021 and Wiggins.

Murray/White + #11 for #2 + TPE is cleaner and would still allow them to be players at the deadline.

More in line to the ATL insiders rumored price for the #2 pick

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GS has been doing the same as MIN but a lot more open to pick swap and higher end young player than MIN. GS is really pushing for a deal with CHI, CLE, DET, and ATL. CHI just lacks all interest as does CLE. As I’ve mention, the name that has been mention has been Kevin Huerter. For CLE, Collin Sexton and from CHI, Lauri M and L. Kennard from DET.

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I would add Murray in a trade for sure

But wouldn’t add 11th if Murray is involved

If gsw doesn’t get rid of Wiggins they have no shot at Giannis there already over the luxury tax

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Originally Posted by Dhbsr555

Would y’all offer keldon for Wiggins plus #2 plus mint pick next year ... I say no but it’s been talked about

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Nah. I wouldn't want the Spurs to offer a pick beyond this draft. There's always the chance that that pick could be much higher than 11 and in a better draft. As for Keldon, I think I'd rather have him than the 11th pick in this current draft. Spurs should keep him.

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Originally Posted by Dhbsr555

If gsw doesn’t get rid of Wiggins they have no shot at Giannis there already over the luxury tax

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Trade

Who they gonna trade Giannis for .. ain’t happening

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Originally Posted by rankingtear

Aldridge + White/Murray + #11 for #2 + Wiggins + MIN 2021 1st + TPE.

I think this would get it done. Although if GS think they have a shot at Beal or Giannis at the deadline they may not want to part with MIN 2021 and Wiggins.

Murray/White + #11 for #2 + TPE is cleaner and would still allow them to be players at the deadline.

More in line to the ATL insiders rumored price for the #2 pick

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-If that's who Golden State is really considering moving back for, then the Aldridge rumors seem to make more sense.

-Aldridge and Murray for , say, Wiggins, Looney, and #2 make some since. GSW adding in Minnesota's 2021 pick doesn't; they'd be trading the number 2 pick in this draft and probably a top 10 pick in a better draft.

Not sure if GSW would still do that deal with out the 11th pick, but if the Spurs do include Murray, that is the situation where I think that San Antonio insists on keeping it.

I trade Murray if we also get Minnesota pick in 2021 but that should be a heavy price for two lotto picks

I’d rather get a top 10 pick and say a one year rental so we will have tons of cap space in 21

Why I think they want to trade #2 for a young player + lottery pick.

The value of number #2 goes down once the player is selected. Because now your trading for the player and not the position in the draft. You are now limited to teams who like the player and assuming the teams have not already addressed the need for that player with their own pick or free agency. Also they won't have the luxury of upping the value of said player them being gunning for the championship next year. So moving down and getting a young asset who can contribute to their team and still getting a valuable prospect ensures the value is still there. They would still have an option for an opportunistic trade like Giannis . Beal or even Booker at the deadline while competing for the chip.

What if we added poodle in s&t

If they’re trading for GA at the deadline it is for Draymond plus. No way those 2 would fit together in that line up.

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Originally Posted by Dhbsr555

What if we added poodle in s&t

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Can't, unless free agency starts before the draft.

I think green crushed any value he may of had this year . Looked and horrible without curry and klay

Will dd opt in before draft

All these scenarios are fun. But I don’t think the spurs want 2 firsts again. Keldon, LW, Murray, Luka, don’t like including white due to being older. I just don’t see adding 2 more firsts to them. Maybe something with atl for Collins if they don’t want to pay him. I like some to the ideas/rumors

As long as Forbes and beli are gone and Lonnie and keldon get big minutes idc if we make a trade... I will lose it if Forbes starts again

If D White's and KJ's drafts were each granted a do over, both of them likely go top 10... so I don't see why you'd want to include either in a trade that involves taking another stab at drafting a top 10 guy, unless you're pretty certain it's a franchise player.

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Originally Posted by cd021

He turns 26 early next year, at some point, players are kind of what they are. He's a better defender and shooter than DeMar but DeMar is a superior play maker and just a better offensive player in general.

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Rk  Age  FG  FGA  FG%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1    24 7.2 16.8 .429 6.4 14.3 .451 6.2 7.5 .824 0.6 3.5 4.1 3.7 1.0 0.3 2.1 2.4 21.4
2    24 8.5 18.9 .447 6.3 12.5 .506 3.7 5.2 .709 1.3 4.0 5.3 3.8 0.9 1.0 2.6 2.5 22.8

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These are the STATS for each player at the age of 24 years old (I have removed 3% because Wiggins is better there) it is really hard to distinguish the two. Listen, I am not saying that Wiggins will become the playmaker and scorer that DeMar is, but rather than players do improve past 24 years old, they improve past 25, and so on.

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Originally Posted by JuneJive

Bolstering their championship aspirations or getting a bridge player?

They really can't have both. Firstly because of the financial implications.

Secondly, if Wiggins is such a lousy player, a negative asset, it would surely cost them something to get rid of him.

What do you suggest they do?

Dump Wiggins with a pick attached but keep the other one ( #2 or Minny '21 ) and go from there with the existing set of players.

As it stands they need to create a bench and get a starting calibre SF type of player. Lot to do.

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They can conceivably have both. That's the value of having a #2 pick (even in this draft) and a top 3 protected '21 pick that's likely to fall in the top 10.

Wiggins is all that, but unless they're getting a starting caliber wing back or an avenue to a projected plug and play one, they need him. He's their 4th best player by default, on a roster that has all of 5 proven NBA players and a bloated payroll.

I'd suggest not forcing it. If there's no sensible deal for an established player on the table, try to move down a spot or a few and pick up an additional asset.

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Originally Posted by Trueblood

To each their own man, you're more than entitled to your opinion my friend.

I respectfully disagree. First off they are already looking to trade the #2 pick. If they really wanted a bridging player this is the pick to find it. If Minnesota does better this year and they come back to their previous form they run the risk of two picks that are both worse than what they have now. Perhaps they are comfortable thinking they can use them both to move up next year. But I just don't buy it. I think they aren't thinking 5 years from now. They still have Curry, Green and Thompson but at this point I wouldn't see them getting past the Lakers or the Clippers. They might even struggle against the rockets or jazz. Their window is getting close to closing but it hasn't closed yet. They aren't thinking rebuild but retool. Which is where all the smoke is coming from with the trading 2 rumors.

Maybe the spurs throw in 41? What do you think it takes to make the deal work?

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I wouldn't say looking to. More like, it's their preference, if they can acquire a star or at least high quality player who fits the timeline of their big 3.

As I've said ad nauseam, the only deal I could envision would be Aldridge and 11 for Wiggins and 2, but I still don't think they'd do it. Aldridge is just too old, on an expiring and coming off of shoulder surgery.

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Originally Posted by Dhbsr555

I think green crushed any value he may of had this year . Looked and horrible without curry and klay

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He’s 30, was revealed as a mediocre role player, and has a player option for 2023-2024 for $27.5M.

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Rk  Age  FG  FGA  FG%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1    24 7.2 16.8 .429 6.4 14.3 .451 6.2 7.5 .824 0.6 3.5 4.1 3.7 1.0 0.3 2.1 2.4 21.4
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These are the STATS for each player at the age of 24 years old (I have removed 3% because Wiggins is better there) it is really hard to distinguish the two. Listen, I am not saying that Wiggins will become the playmaker and scorer that DeMar is, but rather than players do improve past 24 years old, they improve past 25, and so on.

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He has little work ethic. DD has good work ethic and a decent leader throughout his career. He put Raptors back on the market after Bosh left. People remember his failures but forget what he did for Toronto over the years. Wiggins won't ever be that good. He has empty stats, kinda like a Steve Francis but without the ego or drive.

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Originally Posted by cd021

I don't think Golden State would give up the number 2 pick without the Spurs taking on Wiggins getting the number 11 pick back in return.

I think the Spurs should still absolutely make that move, if they get an opportunity at the #2 pick they should take it.

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No way Spurs should give up Aldridge and 11, we will help GS save 50mil and make them more well equipped to challenge for champion, whereas we are taking the risk that Wiseman is picked by the Wolves or he is not up to standard we will be forced to seriously overpay Poeltl as we will have no cap space to sign a starting big if Aldridge and Poeltl are both gone. If we keep 11 or get Wolves 21 pick at least I can accept it.

We can wait for 1st pick. After Edwards push the button.

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Originally Posted by tbdog

He has little work ethic. DD has good work ethic and a decent leader throughout his career. He put Raptors back on the market after Bosh left. People remember his failures but forget what he did for Toronto over the years. Wiggins won't ever be that good. He has empty stats, kinda like a Steve Francis but without the ego or drive.

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:lol No, he didn't. So sick of this narrative from Spurs/casual fans. Lowry and the fluky Gay trade (for 4 role players, that provided long term salary relief and was supposed to kick off a re-build), which provided depth, were primarily responsible for their turnaround.

A funny thing happened though: they started winning to such an extent that shady Ujiri, who wanted to re-build since he returned, couldn't sell to their ownership/team/fanbase that they traded their beloved, pseudo star (the only one in their history who wanted to be a Raptor for life) was only worth something similar to the Gay package, so he begrudgingly kept him until he found a sucker.

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Originally Posted by XDT76

No way Spurs should give up Aldridge and 11, we will help GS save 50mil and make them more well equipped to challenge for champion, whereas we are taking the risk that Wiseman is picked by the Wolves or he is not up to standard we will be forced to seriously overpay Poeltl as we will have no cap space to sign a starting big if Aldridge and Poeltl are both gone. If we keep 11 or get Wolves 21 pick at least I can accept it.

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You don’t understand draft trades at all, do you. There is a rule in place that you must make a first round pick at least every other year, you can only trade the actual pick that often. Dumb Cleveland owner named Stepien was trading his pick every year for 30 something coke head over the hill players, and the team was in the toilet for a long time. The Stepien rule. The way you work around it, in this case, is that GS picks the player for us, and we pick someone at 11 for them, and then you submit a trade to the league for the rights to the players selected. If Minny were to pick the player we want at #1, no deal.

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Originally Posted by XDT76

No way Spurs should give up Aldridge and 11, we will help GS save 50mil and make them more well equipped to challenge for champion, whereas we are taking the risk that Wiseman is picked by the Wolves or he is not up to standard we will be forced to seriously overpay Poeltl as we will have no cap space to sign a starting big if Aldridge and Poeltl are both gone. If we keep 11 or get Wolves 21 pick at least I can accept it.

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-How does that make any sense? Why should the Spurs care if Golden State gets future cap space if the Spurs get the #2 pick in the draft. That's the obvious tradeoff that would be required for the Spurs to get their highest pick in 23 years.

If the Spurs value a player enough to trade up and take on a bad contract, then it would see like they'd be pretty confident in a player like Wiseman. They generally don't miss on picks, if they to acquire that pick and were to hit on that pick then they could have their next star.

-Whether the Spurs trade up for Wiseman or not, they'd still have Poeltl restricted rights. They don't have to lose him for anything. Its not like the Spurs risk going into next season without a starting caliber center just by pursuing a trade.

-Also, Golden State holds the power in a potential trade because they have an asset that the Spurs seemingly want. If the Spurs want to make a deal, they likely aren't going to be able to keep #11. Also, no way Golden State gives up that Minny 2021 first round pick -- which is likely to fall in the top ten of a better draft.

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Originally Posted by tbdog

He has little work ethic. DD has good work ethic and a decent leader throughout his career. He put Raptors back on the market after Bosh left. People remember his failures but forget what he did for Toronto over the years. Wiggins won't ever be that good. He has empty stats, kinda like a Steve Francis but without the ego or drive.

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Yes, in principle I agree with you, but if you read my original post I said "if he puts in the work" then the argument to that was, well some players are what they are and that DeMar is the better playmaker and overall the better offensive player, to which I replied that DeMar at the age of 24 was not the player that he is today.

Anyways, I never said that Wiggins will be as good as DeMar, what I am saying is that he has the potential if he commits himself, and even if he doesn't improve as much his defense and three point shooting make him a good fit with our team. Think about it, DJ, Derrick, and Wiggins have the potential to be the best defensive backcourt in the NBA.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

You don’t understand draft trades at all, do you. There is a rule in place that you must make a first round pick at least every other year, you can only trade the actual pick that often. Dumb Cleveland owner named Stepien was trading his pick every year for 30 something coke head over the hill players, and the team was in the toilet for a long time. The Stepien rule. The way you work around it, in this case, is that GS picks the player for us, and we pick someone at 11 for them, and then you submit a trade to the league for the rights to the players selected. If Minny were to pick the player we want at #1, no deal.

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If the Spurs give GS their 11th then the it would not matter on GS making their pick as you correctly stated they only have to make a 1st rd pick every other year it does not have to be their pick. Since GS made a pick last year I dont know why this is coming up. We could still trade for thier pick this year since I think GS has their pick for next year and Min pick as well. We would not be able to trade for Min pick this year (unless giving a pick back) till after they draft because of this rule since they have traded away their pick next year and I dont think they have another one.