Lowe: Someone in league texted me and said there's a little bit of buzz about 2 for 11 + Aldridge

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

If the Spurs give GS their 11th then the it would not matter on GS making their pick as you correctly stated they only have to make a 1st rd pick every other year it does not have to be their pick. Since GS made a pick last year I dont know why this is coming up. We could still trade for thier pick this year since I think GS has their pick for next year and Min pick as well. We would not be able to trade for Min pick this year (unless giving a pick back) till after they draft because of this rule since they have traded away their pick next year and I dont think they have another one.

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The point is, if you have a player in mind, you don’t WANT to trade for the pick unless you know that player is there. I’m sure GS is talking to multiple teams. That’s also why they give teams 15 minutes on the clock. They probably have several prospective deals lined up, and they may need to make 2-3 calls to get to the deal.

If GS were to trade the actual pick, they would be unable to trade a pick at the deadline, probably in March this year. That could spike a good trade they may have lined up. You always want your options open, which is why teams trade the player rights at draft time.

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Originally Posted by cd021

-How does that make any sense? Why should the Spurs care if Golden State gets future cap space if the Spurs get the #2 pick in the draft. That's the obvious tradeoff that would be required for the Spurs to get their highest pick in 23 years.

-Also, Golden State holds the power in a potential trade because they have an asset that the Spurs seemingly want. If the Spurs want to make a deal, they likely aren't going to be able to keep #11. Also, no way Golden State gives up that Minny 2021 first round pick -- which is likely to fall in the top ten of a better draft.

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Its not so much that the Spurs care about clearing up GS cap space it is that they are having to take it on. People take on bad contracts and get compensated by picks. People also trade players and get compensated in picks/players. LMA is not on a bad contract and he gives them a chance to win now. not in a few years when their players would be old. Wiggins hurts their tax and if traded here would hurt our salary cap. You dont give up 2 things (player cap space) for a slight move up in draft especially one this week.

GS does not hold the power they both have something the other team wants. Without a big GS title hopes are lower. They also would be in worse taxes if they keep him. Yes Spurs would want the #2 pick but it is not like GS would not want what the Spurs have as well.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

The point is, if you have a player in mind, you don’t WANT to trade for the pick unless you know that player is there. I’m sure GS is talking to multiple teams. That’s also why they give teams 15 minutes on the clock. They probably have several prospective deals lined up, and they may need to make 2-3 calls to get to the deal.

If GS were to trade the actual pick, they would be unable to trade a pick at the deadline, probably in March this year. That could spike a good trade they may have lined up. You always want your options open, which is why teams trade the player rights at draft time.

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I knew about wanting to make sure we got the player we wanted in the trade did not think about them having a pick for this year so they could trade a 2021 pick later. If they had our pick though it would not matter but if I remember you are one (like me) that does not want to inlcude our 11th so they would need to make their pick then trade to us so they could trade their 2021 if they wanted to.

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

Its not so much that the Spurs care about clearing up GS cap space it is that they are having to take it on. People take on bad contracts and get compensated by picks. People also trade players and get compensated in picks/players. LMA is not on a bad contract and he gives them a chance to win now. not in a few years when their players would be old. Wiggins hurts their tax and if traded here would hurt our salary cap. You dont give up 2 things (player cap space) for a slight move up in draft especially one this week.

GS does not hold the power they both have something the other team wants. Without a big GS title hopes are lower. They also would be in worse taxes if they keep him. Yes Spurs would want the #2 pick but it is not like GS would not want what the Spurs have as well.

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LMA has made it pretty clear that he’s going to finish in Portland. If he plays here next year, he will walk next summer. If he gets traded to GS, and wins a ring, maybe he postpones and signs a 1+1. He’s not a real asset to us, past this season. Think of him as useful salary ballast for this trade.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

LMA has made it pretty clear that he’s going to finish in Portland. If he plays here next year, he will walk next summer. If he gets traded to GS, and wins a ring, maybe he postpones and signs a 1+1. He’s not a real asset to us, past this season. Think of him as useful salary ballast for this trade.

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Right not useful to us but is useful to them. He would give us cap space if he leaves which we could use to get other players or other picks for teams dumping players.

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

Its not so much that the Spurs care about clearing up GS cap space it is that they are having to take it on. People take on bad contracts and get compensated by picks. People also trade players and get compensated in picks/players. LMA is not on a bad contract and he gives them a chance to win now. not in a few years when their players would be old. Wiggins hurts their tax and if traded here would hurt our salary cap. You dont give up 2 things (player cap space) for a slight move up in draft especially one this week.

GS does not hold the power they both have something the other team wants. Without a big GS title hopes are lower. They also would be in worse taxes if they keep him. Yes Spurs would want the #2 pick but it is not like GS would not want what the Spurs have as well.

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-Sure, Wiggins is a horrible contract and under normal circumstances it would likely require at least two first round picks to unload a contract of that size. That said, the Warriors are willing to trade the #2 pick in the draft. That pick is not only much higher than most picks that get traded in deals to off load salary but there's the fact that # 2 picks virtually never get traded.

-Aldridge is probably a bit overpaid, and is certain to be if he doesn't waive his 15% trade kicker in a hypothetical trade (that would up his salary to $27.7 million). That said, he's still a good player and GSW apparently likes him enough to seemingly entertain trading back several spots for him.

I get the point about giving up the 11th pick and Aldridge and taking on Wiggins contract, in exchange for the #2 pick. Still, its the #2 pick and its an extremely valuable asset-- especially to the Spurs, who are seemingly ready to start a years long rebuilding process.

Trading up 9 spots normally requires multiple first round picks or pick(s) and a young asset. It seems that the Spurs probably aren't looking to move one of their young players so being able to move a vet, on an expiring deal, in their place is actually a win for the Spurs. Moving on from at 35 year old, that seems unlikely to want to re-sign after next season, as the center piece of a deal involving the #2 pick seems like a no-brainer. Also; the Spurs, at least as reported, don't seem like they'd have to mortgage the future by giving up a future first.

Golden State definitely has the power, they can opt not to trade their pick to the Spurs just for Aldridge and to take on Wiggins. There is probably a better deal to be had unless the Spurs include their 11th pick.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Golden State definitely has the power, they can opt not to trade their pick to the Spurs just for Aldridge and to take on Wiggins. There is probably a better deal to be had unless the Spurs include their 11th pick.

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They do not have complete power. They have tried to trade #2 and people keep rejecting when it has Wiggins attached to it. Teams do not want to take on his salary. As you said they have not just been talking to the Spurs but no one else wants to take on his contract and give them a big for #2. Bigs (good ones at least) are in short supply. Only ones that I hear out there on the trade markert are LMA, horford, Turner after that your dropping down to Deadmon. The one I have not really heard them going after that would not be bad for them would be Allen in Brooklyn.

A lot of homerism in this thread. The more I think about it, the less I see any kind of deal with GS happening. They have other options from teams that can offer both future picks, and better players, and LMA at 35 coming off a shoulder surgery that made him miss the bubble is hard from a safety net against All-Star bigs like AD - especially when he's a one year rental if they don't ring. I can't see Golden State giving up a #2 pick for that, even if #11 is included; and yes, I know they have to offload the salary from #2 and/or Wiggins' contracts to make the numbers close for next season. That doesn't mean it has to be us trading with them. Most comments I've seen give the Spurs an oddly high bargaining ground, which they just don't have.

That doesn't mean no trade is possible, I just don't see it happening with the Warriors, even though I'd personally love for it. If the rumors from that ATL insider are true, there might be picks to be had in the 5-8 range, which the Spurs could also be interested in. The general notion seems to be that the FO isn't staying still in regards to the draft, both from the multiple reports coinciding in the Spurs inquiring about possible trade partners, and the fact that they've worked out top lottery picks. If there's one year that the Spurs were likely to trade up, it'd be this one for sure... That's the feeling I get.

How many days is it, 10 until the draft? I'm excited, tbh.

LMA on the Warriors would be very difficult to contain. They could beat you in so many ways.
He'd definitely put pressure on defenses to pick their poison. He's still capable of scoring inside and in the mid-range.
His ability to play physical, by today's standards would be ideal for GS. He can still score 30pts in a playoff game, I don't see the other bigs mentioned doing this.
The Spurs might have some leverage here by having the best player for GS.

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Originally Posted by XDT76

No way Spurs should give up Aldridge and 11, we will help GS save 50mil and make them more well equipped to challenge for champion, whereas we are taking the risk that Wiseman is picked by the Wolves or he is not up to standard we will be forced to seriously overpay Poeltl as we will have no cap space to sign a starting big if Aldridge and Poeltl are both gone. If we keep 11 or get Wolves 21 pick at least I can accept it.

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I think you're understating this financial issues enormously. The Wiggins contract is for $31,579,390 and $33,616,770 in 21/22 and 22/23. If they keep that contract, in both years, GSW will be paying the repeater luxury tax, $3.50 for every $1.00 over (and the contract will entirely be in luxury tax space). $65 million * (1+3.5) = $292.5 million . No franchise will take that financial hit. They need to move at least one of Wiggins, Draymond, Curry or Klay. Assuming they don't want to blow up the next couple of years of possible contention, it's Wiggins that moves...

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Originally Posted by alpha_HaZE

Yes, in principle I agree with you, but if you read my original post I said "if he puts in the work" then the argument to that was, well some players are what they are and that DeMar is the better playmaker and overall the better offensive player, to which I replied that DeMar at the age of 24 was not the player that he is today.

Anyways, I never said that Wiggins will be as good as DeMar, what I am saying is that he has the potential if he commits himself, and even if he doesn't improve as much his defense and three point shooting make him a good fit with our team. Think about it, DJ, Derrick, and Wiggins have the potential to be the best defensive backcourt in the NBA.

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If he had the kind of work ethic you're alluding to, it'd have revealed itself by now and he'd likely be markedly better than he is (even with a poor basketball IQ). Six years in, with financial security for the remainder of his life, isn't going lead to him magically finding religion, particularly on a re-building team like this.

He's neither a good defender or 3-point shooter, though. Think smaller, worse version of young Gay. Inefficient ISO scorer, who sucks at everything else. Counting stats without context are irrelevant. Look at the catch all metrics.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

If he had the kind of work ethic you're alluding to, it'd have revealed itself by now and he'd likely be markedly better than he is (even with a poor basketball IQ). Six years in, with financial security for the remainder of his life, isn't going lead to him magically finding religion, particularly on a re-building team like this.

He's neither a good defender or 3-point shooter, though. Think smaller, worse version of young Gay. Inefficient ISO scorer, who sucks at everything else. Counting stats without context are irrelevant. Look at the catch all metrics.

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Like I said, I don't think he has the work ethic to improve the way DeMar did, but I am not saying he is not going to do it. You never know what motivates people, so I really do think we agree.

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Originally Posted by pad300

I think you're understating this financial issues enormously. The Wiggins contract is for $31,579,390 and $33,616,770 in 21/22 and 22/23. If they keep that contract, in both years, GSW will be paying the repeater luxury tax, $3.50 for every $1.00 over (and the contract will entirely be in luxury tax space). $65 million * (1+3.5) = $292.5 million . No franchise will take that financial hit. They need to move at least one of Wiggins, Draymond, Curry or Klay. Assuming they don't want to blow up the next couple of years of possible contention, it's Wiggins that moves...

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That's a lot of money, even for a billionaire like Joe Lacom & Co... They paid $450 million for the entire team in 2010. If this trade rumor is true, I'm guessing the hold up is the Spurs trying to play hardball and not include #11, or asking for an extra pick next year.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

If he had the kind of work ethic you're alluding to, it'd have revealed itself by now and he'd likely be markedly better than he is (even with a poor basketball IQ). Six years in, with financial security for the remainder of his life, isn't going lead to him magically finding religion, particularly on a re-building team like this.

He's neither a good defender or 3-point shooter, though. Think smaller, worse version of young Gay. Inefficient ISO scorer, who sucks at everything else. Counting stats without context are irrelevant. Look at the catch all metrics.

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The metrics are kinda mind-boggling. In '17-'18 (his only winning season), these were the Offensive and Defensive ratings for the top Timberwolves:

KAT: 127 ORtg... 107 DRtg
Butler: 122.........110
Taj Gibson: 123.....112
Jeff Teague: 111.....112
Wiggins: 101.....113

Wiggins has never had a season where his numbers weren't upside down.

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Originally Posted by pad300

I think you're understating this financial issues enormously. The Wiggins contract is for $31,579,390 and $33,616,770 in 21/22 and 22/23. If they keep that contract, in both years, GSW will be paying the repeater luxury tax, $3.50 for every $1.00 over (and the contract will entirely be in luxury tax space). $65 million * (1+3.5) = $292.5 million . No franchise will take that financial hit. They need to move at least one of Wiggins, Draymond, Curry or Klay. Assuming they don't want to blow up the next couple of years of possible contention, it's Wiggins that moves...

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Exactly, the second-overall pick isn't free either. Too many folks seem to be overlooking that SA becomes a tax team if they do this deal. Of all years, this would be the worse one to be a tax team in, because owners are basically letting the players make more money than the revenue should allow. Not only would SA have to pay some tax, but they'd miss out on what could be huge tax payments from other teams. Then because the owners are loaning the players cap space, there's no reason to believe the cap will expand much if at all. So that increasing Wiggins deal will be a constant source of pressure on the team's finances.

GS does not have the power here. It's not clear there's even a clear number two guy that ANYONE wants, let alone SA. For them, just staying the course is probably not an option. Maybe SA doesn't offer the better deal, but there's a clear limit to where the deal stops making sense for SA, and it's not too far past 2 and Wiggins for LMA, DMDR or Gay/Mills.

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

Right not useful to us but is useful to them. He would give us cap space if he leaves which we could use to get other players or other picks for teams dumping players.

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Can you get a #2 overall from some other team? If not, strike while the iron is hot. BTW, no good FA will sign here, and you’re not going to,find a better cap space rental than Wiggins for #2. You’re just not.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Can you get a #2 overall from some other team? If not, strike while the iron is hot. BTW, no good FA will sign here, and you’re not going to,find a better cap space rental than Wiggins for #2. You’re just not.

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#2 is not a normal #2. It is a risky pick. I think he will be good but many players before have thought they would be good as well. This is also considered more of a flat draft. So the difference between 2 and 11 is not much of a difference. You also say # is a good cap rental but we would have to do something to get under the cap. not resign a player or trade or something. We also are giving them something that helps them win a championship. Yes this is not guaranteed but it is a much better chance.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

LMA has made it pretty clear that he’s going to finish in Portland. If he plays here next year, he will walk next summer. If he gets traded to GS, and wins a ring, maybe he postpones and signs a 1+1. He’s not a real asset to us, past this season. Think of him as useful salary ballast for this trade.

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I see no way he'd turn down a fat 3 year extension if Golden State offered. Hell I don't think he'd turn down one from the Spurs much less a title contender in a prime market like the Warriors.

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

They do not have complete power. They have tried to trade #2 and people keep rejecting when it has Wiggins attached to it. Teams do not want to take on his salary. As you said they have not just been talking to the Spurs but no one else wants to take on his contract and give them a big for #2. Bigs (good ones at least) are in short supply. Only ones that I hear out there on the trade markert are LMA, horford, Turner after that your dropping down to Deadmon. The one I have not really heard them going after that would not be bad for them would be Allen in Brooklyn.

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-Which teams have rejected a trade with Golden State? Teams can't even make trades yet.

-Bigs are in good supply, that's why a player like Poeltl likely isn't likely going to get a big offer. In fact, there are 3 starting caliber centers expected to go in the top 10 of of this draft. Aldridge is better than many bigs but not enough to solely justify trading the number 2 pick in the draft for.

-In essence, it seems that GSW is using the number 2 pick to try and offload Wiggins, while still staying in the lottery and also adding an impact player. The Spurs reported package seems to do that but that's not necessarily an offer than another team can't beat. Still, the Spurs should jump at the chance to make that deal if the opportunity presents itself.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Exactly, the second-overall pick isn't free either. Too many folks seem to be overlooking that SA becomes a tax team if they do this deal. Of all years, this would be the worse one to be a tax team in, because owners are basically letting the players make more money than the revenue should allow. Not only would SA have to pay some tax, but they'd miss out on what could be huge tax payments from other teams. Then because the owners are loaning the players cap space, there's no reason to believe the cap will expand much if at all. So that increasing Wiggins deal will be a constant source of pressure on the team's finances.

GS does not have the power here. It's not clear there's even a clear number two guy that ANYONE wants, let alone SA. For them, just staying the course is probably not an option. Maybe SA doesn't offer the better deal, but there's a clear limit to where the deal stops making sense for SA, and it's not too far past 2 and Wiggins for LMA, DMDR or Gay/Mills.

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Nah. Wiggins would obviously be the DeRozan replacement. He'd inevitably be turned into lesser salary or if they did the Horford 3 way with the 76ers/Clippers you suggested, they'd likely not re-sign Poeltl and if necessary find a taker for Gay for minimal salary in return.

The Warriors have all of the power. They don't have to do anything and probably won't, with the exception of moving down slightly and picking up some decent young depth in the process.

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Originally Posted by cd021

-Which teams have rejected a trade with Golden State? Teams can't even make trades yet.

-Bigs are in good supply, that's why a player like Poeltl likely isn't likely going to get a big offer. In fact, there are 3 starting caliber centers expected to go in the top 10 of of this draft. Aldridge is better than many bigs but not enough to solely justify trading the number 2 pick in the draft for.

-In essence, it seems that GSW is using the number 2 pick to try and offload Wiggins, while still staying in the lottery and also adding an impact player. The Spurs reported package seems to do that but that's not necessarily an offer than another team can't beat. Still, the Spurs should jump at the chance to make that deal if the opportunity presents itself.

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It has been well reported that them and Mini have been trying to trade their picks. Some teams besides ours that I have seen linked to them are Phli, Phoenix, Milwaukee.

You say bigs are in good supply. I put good bigs, who are the good bigs that are in such large supply?

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Nah. Wiggins would obviously be the DeRozan replacement. He'd inevitably be turned into lesser salary or if they did the Horford 3 way with the 76ers/Clippers you suggested, they'd likely not re-sign Poeltl and if necessary find a taker for Gay for minimal salary in return.

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That doesn't address anything I said. Also acquiring Horford doesn't do anything but make the finances worse, and while they might be able to dodge the tax by letting Poeltl walk, it's weird that you'd be okay with that. You've said multiple times that they can't let "an asset" like Jakob walk for nothing.

"Inevitably turned into lesser salary?" Yeah right. If it were so easy to turn Wiggins into lesser salary, GS wouldn't have any need to pay to move him.

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The Warriors have all of the power. They don't have to do anything and probably won't, with the exception of moving down slightly and picking up some decent young depth in the process.

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Feels like you're just repeating yourself. GS doesn't have all the power. They WANT to not pay a huge tax pill. We know that by them coming and saying they probably won't use their TE. Maybe they'll grit and bear it, and maybe SA and the rest of the league and grit and bear not moving up to 2. Certainly, unless you specifically want one of Edwards/Wiseman, you might just to go Charlotte and try your luck, or Chicago, Cleveland, ATL or so on. All of those trade-ups SA have been linked to are lower than GS's pick anyway. SA doesn't have to and might prefer not to move that high if they really do want Deni or Okongwu or Toppin. They could probably get one at 6, and ATL has been rumored to be a much better trade partner. With GS trying to avoid paying excess tax, they're probably not going to be able to get the sweethart deals from lower-seeded teams you're implying they'd get easily. Best I could see if moving down to 7 with Detroit, but they aren't a great fit for getting GS the win-now player they want to replace Wiggins with. The Pistons might be able to rope SA into the deal at that point, but I don't know if either team wants to pay to give SA the value they'd need to do the deal without 2 going to SA.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Nah. Wiggins would obviously be the DeRozan replacement. He'd inevitably be turned into lesser salary or if they did the Horford 3 way with the 76ers/Clippers you suggested, they'd likely not re-sign Poeltl and if necessary find a taker for Gay for minimal salary in return.

The Warriors have all of the power. They don't have to do anything and probably won't, with the exception of moving down slightly and picking up some decent young depth in the process.

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This entire thread you have fucking failed to understand the absolute financial shitstorm GS is currently headed for.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

That doesn't address anything I said. Also acquiring Horford doesn't do anything but make the finances worse, and while they might be able to dodge the tax by letting Poeltl walk, it's weird that you'd be okay with that. You've said multiple times that they can't let "an asset" like Jakob walk for nothing.

"Inevitably turned into lesser salary?" Yeah right. If it were so easy to turn Wiggins into lesser salary, GS wouldn't have any need to pay to move him.



Feels like you're just repeating yourself. GS doesn't have all the power. They WANT to not pay a huge tax pill. We know that by them coming and saying they probably won't use their TE. Maybe they'll grit and bear it, and maybe SA and the rest of the league and grit and bear not moving up to 2. Certainly, unless you specifically want one of Edwards/Wiseman, you might just to go Charlotte and try your luck, or Chicago, Cleveland, ATL or so on. All of those trade-ups SA have been linked to are lower than GS's pick anyway. SA doesn't have to and might prefer not to move that high if they really do want Deni or Okongwu or Toppin. They could probably get one at 6, and ATL has been rumored to be a much better trade partner. With GS trying to avoid paying excess tax, they're probably not going to be able to get the sweethart deals from lower-seeded teams you're implying they'd get easily. Best I could see if moving down to 7 with Detroit, but they aren't a great fit for getting GS the win-now player they want to replace Wiggins with. The Pistons might be able to rope SA into the deal at that point, but I don't know if either team wants to pay to give SA the value they'd need to do the deal without 2 going to SA.

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It addresses all of it because the point is they'd have many ways out. They wouldn't just make this trade (again: not happening, but hypothetically) and more or less call it an off season. Who said I'd be okay with letting Poeltl walk? I just said it'd be an option. If they had Wiseman and Horford, the need presumably wouldn't exist short or long term.

I meant DeRozan.

Want and willing to are two difference things. Either way, they're not taking a subpar return for the 2nd pick (even in this draft) because of the tax. I didn't imply any "sweetheart deals", just a decent or intriguing young player or young veteran.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

This entire thread you have fucking failed to understand the absolute financial shitstorm GS is currently headed for.

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No insider has said to this point that it's going to impact what they do and again, either way that's not going to be reason enough to throw a 2nd pick in the garbage.

I get that this is a Spurs forum and many don't follow the league closely, but the amount of homer-ism in this thread is off the charts.

From a Golden State fan... excuse me, I mean writer's perspective:

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-rumored...010946045.html

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Green is the heartbeat of the team and captain of the defense. Golden State would have to be highly motivated to send him elsewhere, and Aldridge isn't nearly enticing enough. As for Wiggins, the Warriors already are short on wings, and losing him would further exacerbate that. Not to mention, the Dubs are counting on Wiggins to either become their fourth star player or directly help them acquire one. Aldridge was a star for many seasons, but he isn't one anymore.
On top of the fact that Aldridge isn't worth giving up everything that was included in that proposed trade, he also doesn't fit in stylistically with how the Warriors want to play. He is a ball-stopper on offense and often an aloof defender. Yes, his proficiency shooting from the perimeter would be a nice addition, but not at the cost of everything else that would be thrown off.

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Originally Posted by PhantomDashCam

From a Golden State fan... excuse me, I mean writer's perspective:

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-rumored...010946045.html

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That take makes no sense except the Warriors are short on the wings. They are shorter in the middle too. LMA with Curry and Klay. Gee. LMA gets doubled for the Spurs due to our lack of shooters. Imagine having Curry and Klay out there with him? You would jump on that. Warriors window is open for a few more years and it's not like LMA contract hurts their flexibility over the next few years too. Wiggins has to be their 4th star by default. And at 30mil per year? But LMA would be their third star, leaping Green.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

It addresses all of it because the point is they'd have many ways out. They wouldn't just make this trade (again: not happening, but hypothetically) and more or less call it an off season. Who said I'd be okay with letting Poeltl walk? I just said it'd be an option. If they had Wiseman and Horford, the need presumably wouldn't exist short or long term.

I meant DeRozan.

Want and willing to are two difference things. Either way, they're not taking a subpar return for the 2nd pick (even in this draft) because of the tax. I didn't imply any "sweetheart deals", just a decent or intriguing young player or young veteran.




No insider has said to this point that it's going to impact what they do and again, either way that's not going to be reason enough to throw a 2nd pick in the garbage.

I get that this is a Spurs forum and many don't follow the league closely, but the amount of homer-ism in this thread is off the charts.

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Don’t need insider info. League payrolls are available a number of places online, and I understand the luxury tax, and how to do basic math. $148M+$9M for next year, and $158M + $9.6M for the following year. Every dollar over the tax is charged a premium of $3.50.

Basic math and cap figures.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

It addresses all of it because the point is they'd have many ways out. They wouldn't just make this trade (again: not happening, but hypothetically) and more or less call it an off season. Who said I'd be okay with letting Poeltl walk? I just said it'd be an option. If they had Wiseman and Horford, the need presumably wouldn't exist short or long term.

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The Spurs would have options to get out of the money, but those options aren't free. That's why it's not a no-brainer for them to do this kind of deal. At the point where you're giving up or passing on value just to make the numbers work, you really have to question whether this trade at all makes sense for them.

Let's talk about LMA for Wiggins and the swap and DeRozan for Horford and 21 (that's the only thing that'd affect this year's cap). Here's a capulator link: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...a86d9328737660

That basically has both of those trades, plus releasing Lyles and letting everyone walk -- including Poeltl. I had them select Wiseman because you suggested it, but they could easily not even have that chance or desire and would thus be more tempted to re-up Poeltl. Regardless, as it stands, they'd be about $2 Million under the tax line with three roster spots left to fill. That's basically impossible without further trades to move Gay and Mills. Even if the Spurs can find a way to make it worth without taking back future salary, they'd be right up against the tax the next season, but this time they'd have to make a decision on keeping White. You're one of the people who believes that he should get more than Murray, and that would make them clear tax-payers, and that's with them having 10 guys on the roster, including White and the future first. It'd be pretty hard for the Spurs to dodge the tax either season, and I don't see any reason why that roster would be willing to pay it.

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Want and willing to are two difference things. Either way, they're not taking a subpar return for the 2nd pick (even in this draft) because of the tax. I didn't imply any "sweetheart deals", just a decent or intriguing young player or young veteran.

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Want and willing to aren't different. They are just different ways of describing the same thing in a case like this. GS doesn't WANT to pay tax -- therefore saving money is an incentive that has to be worked into any deal. They might ultimately decide to not do a deal, but they'd be missing out in the same way SA would be missing out if they decide not to pay the price GS asks for to move up in the draft. SA might well be "willing to" just draft at 11 -- in fact, I'm sure they are. GS doesn't have them over a barrell. Both sides want things the other has, but both can get those things by dealing with other teams. We've heard no indication that PATFO even wants to move up that high; so assuming their lack of leverage doesn't make sense. LMA for Wiggins just seems like a straight-forward framework that gets GS something they want while SA gets something they MIGHT want. I've yet to see anything about PATFO coveting Edwards or Wiseman.

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That take makes no sense except the Warriors are short on the wings. They are shorter in the middle too. LMA with Curry and Klay. Gee. LMA gets doubled for the Spurs due to our lack of shooters. Imagine having Curry and Klay out there with him? You would jump on that. Warriors window is open for a few more years and it's not like LMA contract hurts their flexibility over the next few years too. Wiggins has to be their 4th star by default. And at 30mil per year? But LMA would be their third star, leaping Green.

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Overall, I think it's a case of a Golden State guy/homer overvaluing their assets while failing to acknowledge (like many in this thread have said) the financial ramifications on their roster moving forward.

I'm in the minority on this I'm sure, but I feel GS rise to providence is no guarantee next year. They lack play-makers, have unproven pieces on the wing and are short of depth at the 5. Not to mention questions about Klay coming back from injury and possible decline in Dray's and Steph's games.

And there's a report that the Timberwolves now are considering taking James Wiseman instead.

This is what makes me worry lately. If the deal push-thru, Spurs already set to take James Wiseman but what if Timberwolves drafted James Wiseman instead? I mean taking Anthony Edwards is not a bad idea but kinda defeats the purpose.

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And there's a report that the Timberwolves now are considering taking James Wiseman instead.

This is what makes me worry lately. If the deal push-thru, Spurs already set to take James Wiseman but what if Timberwolves drafted James Wiseman instead? I mean taking Anthony Edwards is not a bad idea but kinda defeats the purpose.

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https://grantland.com/features/analy...erence-finals/

some reading to understand how draft deals work

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Overall, I think it's a case of a Golden State guy/homer overvaluing their assets while failing to acknowledge (like many in this thread have said) the financial ramifications on their roster moving forward.

I'm in the minority on this I'm sure, but I feel GS rise to providence is no guarantee next year. They lack play-makers, have unproven pieces on the wing and are short of depth at the 5. Not to mention questions about Klay coming back from injury and possible decline in Dray's and Steph's games.

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Damn. They might be in the lottery next year too!

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Damn. They might be in the lottery next year too!

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:lol I know it sounds somewhat crazy. I don’t expect the lottery but as currently constructed, I don’t think they are better than both L.A’s, Denver and maybe Dallas. They will make moves for sure. They brought ex-spur Jonathon Simmons into their ”dubble” and he was dominant. Not sure he is even an NBA player at this point.

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Sam Amico has been around forever and he has never been right with these rumors. Sam Amick is the reliable one

so Wiseman/Okongwu at worst. Hornets badly wanting Wiseman rumors makes Timberwolves taking Wiseman sound reliable. Any asset plus number 3 sound like an easy decision for Timberwolves specially with these rumors Spurs might be interested in Wiseman as well. Taking a starting big makes tons of sense for Spurs.

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They interested in LMA/Gay for Wiggins. Not giving us #2.

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They interested in LMA/Gay for Wiggins. Not giving us #2.

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Which we would say heck no to.

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so Wiseman/Okongwu at worst. Hornets badly wanting Wiseman rumors makes Timberwolves taking Wiseman sound reliable. Any asset plus number 3 sound like an easy decision for Timberwolves specially with these rumors Spurs might be interested in Wiseman as well. Taking a starting big makes tons of sense for Spurs.

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You should never play poker. Hornets want Wiseman, so Minny just wants a small asset to move back 2 spots? Minny has them over a barrel. Hell, Minny may have floated those GS rumors just to get CHA to act, so they can up the ante.

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They interested in LMA/Gay for Wiggins. Not giving us #2.

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That doesn’t even come close salarywise, and the Spurs would never take that contract without a good pick, or a couple of average ones. Don’t know why you decided to pull this out of your ass, but I’ve never seen any version of this without #2. Show your work, or gtfo.

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You should never play poker. Hornets want Wiseman, so Minny just wants a small asset to move back 2 spots? Minny has them over a barrel. Hell, Minny may have floated those GS rumors just to get CHA to act, so they can up the ante.

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It wouldn't be playing poker if Charlotte and Timberwolves are in active talks for the number one plus an asset which is usually how this stuff works no?

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Don’t need insider info. League payrolls are available a number of places online, and I understand the luxury tax, and how to do basic math. $148M+$9M for next year, and $158M + $9.6M for the following year. Every dollar over the tax is charged a premium of $3.50.

Basic math and cap figures.

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Do to, as you have, pontificate that its going to impact what they do with the #2 pick.

The Warriors aren't the Spurs financially and they're in a unique position as a franchise. I wouldn't be making assumptions on this one.

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The Spurs would have options to get out of the money, but those options aren't free. That's why it's not a no-brainer for them to do this kind of deal. At the point where you're giving up or passing on value just to make the numbers work, you really have to question whether this trade at all makes sense for them.


Let's talk about LMA for Wiggins and the swap and DeRozan for Horford and 21 (that's the only thing that'd affect this year's cap). Here's a capulator link: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...a86d9328737660


That basically has both of those trades, plus releasing Lyles and letting everyone walk -- including Poeltl. I had them select Wiseman because you suggested it, but they could easily not even have that chance or desire and would thus be more tempted to re-up Poeltl. Regardless, as it stands, they'd be about $2 Million under the tax line with three roster spots left to fill. That's basically impossible without further trades to move Gay and Mills. Even if the Spurs can find a way to make it worth without taking back future salary, they'd be right up against the tax the next season, but this time they'd have to make a decision on keeping White. You're one of the people who believes that he should get more than Murray, and that would make them clear tax-payers, and that's with them having 10 guys on the roster, including White and the future first. It'd be pretty hard for the Spurs to dodge the tax either season, and I don't see any reason why that roster would be willing to pay it.






Want and willing to aren't different. They are just different ways of describing the same thing in a case like this. GS doesn't WANT to pay tax -- therefore saving money is an incentive that has to be worked into any deal. They might ultimately decide to not do a deal, but they'd be missing out in the same way SA would be missing out if they decide not to pay the price GS asks for to move up in the draft. SA might well be "willing to" just draft at 11 -- in fact, I'm sure they are. GS doesn't have them over a barrell. Both sides want things the other has, but both can get those things by dealing with other teams. We've heard no indication that PATFO even wants to move up that high; so assuming their lack of leverage doesn't make sense. LMA for Wiggins just seems like a straight-forward framework that gets GS something they want while SA gets something they MIGHT want. I've yet to see anything about PATFO coveting Edwards or Wiseman.

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They kind of are free. Since they're not going to receive a haul as is, if one of the Spurs' pre-requisites in a DeRozan trade that they want to clear appreciable salary for this upcoming season in the deal, I don't foresee that being an issue. Gay could be a different story (maybe they could flip him for Ariza and waive him) though.

Even as something of a Wiseman skeptic and someone who shudders at the thought of Wiggins on this team, I'd still see it as a no brainer because it's the absolute apex of an asset they could acquire for Aldridge or DeRozan.

Either way, the Spurs aren't paying the tax for this team, no matter what they do.

Realistically, if they acquired #2 (Wiseman) and Wiggins, that'd make a Horford trade less likely because they'd have a lesser need for a centerish type and at that point they'd probably place more of a premium on cap relief in a DeRozan trade.

An incentive is one thing, but acting like they'd be willing to make a bad trade because of the tax is another. The Warriors have the leverage because they have the key asset and the Spurs don't have a great asset/package to offer in return.

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Do to, as you have, pontificate that its going to impact what they do with the #2 pick.

The Warriors aren't the Spurs financially and they're in a unique position as a franchise. I wouldn't be making assumptions on this one.

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No, they’re not the Spurs. They are in tax hell, and the Spurs aren’t. GS also won’t be able to monetize that new arena like they thought they would, at least not this season. They could pay $31M in tax JUST on pick #2 next season. Imagine that other 30ish million that they’ll have to pay 3.5-1 tax on.

The one time I want the Spurs to stay put and I'm sure they will end up doing something stupid like trading up in this draft. :lol

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Sam Amico has been around forever and he has never been right with these rumors. Sam Amick is the reliable one

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he's just citing Zach Lowe's comment in the podcast as his source :lol

Gay/LMA for Wiggins doesn't work without picks .... Taking on a lot of salary ... Probably why it made it to the media. Guess dead in water

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Gay/LMA for Wiggins doesn't work without picks .... Taking on a lot of salary ... Probably why it made it to the media. Guess dead in water

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I have heard another rumor the Warriors wanted LMA and the 11th pick for Wiggins straight up. Ridiculous if that's true.

Pop for Blake Griffin and a 2nd rounder?

So, after perusing the thread.....
Let's say we get 2 from GS, 4 from Chicago, and keep 11.....

Who do we take at 2, 4, and 11

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So, after perusing the thread.....
Let's say we get 2 from GS, 4 from Chicago, and keep 11.....

Who do we take at 2, 4, and 11

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How the fuck are you getting #4 from Chicago?

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How the fuck are you getting #4 from Chicago?

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Someone in the thread put DDR, murray, 41 to chi for levine, another player, 4

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Someone in the thread put DDR, murray, 41 to chi for levine, another player, 4

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So, you think that means it could happen? Not likely. Just some guy on a message board, as opposed to Lowe, who’s a national figure and source.

I really don’t think they go all in on a draft like this. I could be wrong. But with the current young I don’t see 3 firsts. Or 2. A movie up I could see

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So, you think that means it could happen? Not likely. Just some guy on a message board, as opposed to Lowe, who’s a national figure and source.

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Regardless, who would you take at 2, 4 and 11?

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Regardless, who would you take at 2, 4 and 11?

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wiseman and Halliburton with 2 and 4. Bey with 11.

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so Wiseman/Okongwu at worst. Hornets badly wanting Wiseman rumors makes Timberwolves taking Wiseman sound reliable. Any asset plus number 3 sound like an easy decision for Timberwolves specially with these rumors Spurs might be interested in Wiseman as well. Taking a starting big makes tons of sense for Spurs.

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I heard the Hornets were also looking at Okungwu. Then I also saw somewhere that the Wolves were looking at taking LaMelo Ball with their pick, whether they keep him or trade his rights. I guess we'll find out next Wednesday.

Why would they want to invest in a year where players have been on their own for so long? No summer league, probably a short preseason and a short season. I’m not just talking about a perceived weak draft. If they move up to snag a guy they like cool. But why add so many? They need to figure out what they have. Not flood it.

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Regardless, who would you take at 2, 4 and 11?

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The question is nonsensical if you don’t believe we’ll get those picks. It’s like the poll thread for which players posters don’t want back that included neither Marco nor Bryn.

At #2, I’d pick Wiseman. We won’t get #4, and #11 will go to GS in the trade, a pick swap.

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The question is nonsensical if you don’t believe we’ll get those picks. It’s like the poll thread for which players posters don’t want back that included neither Marco nor Bryn.

At #2, I’d pick Wiseman. We won’t get #4, and #11 will go to GS in the trade, a pick swap.

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If we have to give up #11, I'm hoping we could get an additional first rounder to get Jalen Smith.

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I heard the Hornets were also looking at Okungwu. Then I also saw somewhere that the Wolves were looking at taking LaMelo Ball with their pick, whether they keep him or trade his rights. I guess we'll find out next Wednesday.

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I feel like the Hornets are bluffing by putting out rumors painting them as bullish on big men. Regardless, I don't think Minny picks Wiseman at all, and if the team that lands #2 doesn't pick up Wiseman, I could see Okongwu falling to #6-8 range, where the Spurs could more easily trade up. I've been interested on Onyeka, so I hope the Spurs are considering him. Hadn't heard anywhere about the Wolves rumor, got a source? That thing about "whether they keep him or trade him" sounds like the Wiseman rumor linked to them.

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I feel like the Hornets are bluffing by putting out rumors painting them as bullish on big men. Regardless, I don't think Minny picks Wiseman at all, and if the team that lands #2 doesn't pick up Wiseman, I could see Okongwu falling to #6-8 range, where the Spurs could more easily trade up. I've been interested on Onyeka, so I hope the Spurs are considering him. Hadn't heard anywhere about the Wolves rumor, got a source? That thing about "whether they keep him or trade him" sounds like the Wiseman rumor linked to them.

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I saw the LaMelo rumor on CBSSports.com earlier.

Warriors could be in some shit if no one takes Wiggins contract

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Warriors could be in some shit if no one takes Wiggins contract

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Yeah, and real deep too!!

This is "no es fake", right?

A precursor of things to come?

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A precursor of things to come?

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A few years ago, he didn't enjoy putting in the work for a WCF team because of the "my touches" bullshit. Would he say there was something wrong him back then?

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The question is nonsensical if you don’t believe we’ll get those picks. It’s like the poll thread for which players posters don’t want back that included neither Marco nor Bryn.

At #2, I’d pick Wiseman. We won’t get #4, and #11 will go to GS in the trade, a pick swap.

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Only if Sa is rerouting Wiggins to a 3rd team and not taking on salary. No way they eat a big deal and swap picks.

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A few years ago, he didn't enjoy putting in the work for a WCF team because of the "my touches" bullshit. Would he say there was something wrong him back then?

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Misconception. Typical media leak. He explained why he was unhappy with Pop. He responded with an excellent season.

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Only if Sa is rerouting Wiggins to a 3rd team and not taking on salary. No way they eat a big deal and swap picks.

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Maybe Pop thinks he can help turn Wiggins into a star.

Anyway this is all probably just a rumor since the NBA draft is getting closer. Warriors probably want to keep the #2 pick and trade Wiggins for LMA. Spurs will have to give them Murray to get that #2 pick.

Spurs need to make moves and do a partial rebuild, staying pat is going to produce more of the same. Duncan, Manu, Kawhi, Tony are long gone.

This morning I heard on SiriusXM a trade proposal of LMA to the Dubs centered around the #2 overall pick and fill-ins to make the numbers work. Wiseman to the Spurs in a rebuild? Do it RC.

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A few years ago, he didn't enjoy putting in the work for a WCF team because of the "my touches" bullshit. Would he say there was something wrong him back then?

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I get the impression he always worked on his type of game. Hated it when people were trying to teach him something new until he finally gave in with the teachers.

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This morning I heard on SiriusXM a trade proposal of LMA to the Dubs centered around the #2 overall pick and fill-ins to make the numbers work. Wiseman to the Spurs in a rebuild? Do it RC.

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Hell yeah.......let's make it happen!!

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It has been well reported that them and Mini have been trying to trade their picks. Some teams besides ours that I have seen linked to them are Phli, Phoenix, Milwaukee.

You say bigs are in good supply. I put good bigs, who are the good bigs that are in such large supply?

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Ive seen Golden State shopping the pick but haven't seen Philly, Milwaukee, and Phoenix trying to trade. for that pick. Let alone teams rejecting deals for the number 2 pick.

That doesn't really make sense because teams can't even make trades. Also trade talks probably haven't gotten serious enough, with the uncertainty regarding the cap and tax, which just got clarified today.

- I don't understand your question. I said bigs are in good supply and Poeltl is likely to get squeezed in RFA. He's good but the teams with cap or the full MLE don't need him because they have their own centers. It's a deep position.


I also said Aldridge is among the best bigs but at his point in his career isn't enough of a return to justify GSW trading the number 2 pick for -straight up. Spurs would need to add the number 11 pick and probably another asset.

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Ive seen Golden State shopping the pick but haven't seen Philly, Milwaukee, and Phoenix trying to trade. for that pick. Let alone teams rejecting deals for the number 2 pick.

That doesn't really make sense because teams can't even make trades. Also trade talks probably haven't gotten serious enough, with the uncertainty regarding the cap and tax, which just got clarified today.

- I don't understand your question. I said bigs are in good supply and Poeltl is likely to get squeezed in RFA. He's good but the teams with cap or the full MLE don't need him because they have their own centers. It's a deep position.


I also said Aldridge is among the best bigs but at his point in his career isn't enough of a return to justify GSW trading the number 2 pick for -straight up. Spurs would need to add the number 11 pick and probably another asset.

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disagree. Aldridge plus 11 should be plenty. No home run hitters in this years draft. 11 will still get them a pretty comparable pick. Aldridge still has 3 years at around this production IMO. He can protect the paint and stretch the floor plus be a great post up option and solid pnr player. His game is aging well. May need to get a 3rd team involved for the salary filler since Wiggins might be a deal breaker for either GS or SA depending on how the market fairs.

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A precursor of things to come?

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Sounds more like he's hyping himself up than anything imho

The longer it goes, the more I’m believing that it’s either all just smoke and mirrors, or that that team is legitimately trying to get #2 but won’t actually happen.

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The longer it goes, the more I’m believing that it’s either all just smoke and mirrors, or that that team is legitimately trying to get #2 but won’t actually happen.

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This is the kind of deal that can only happen on draft night unless Minnesota gets involved.

I don’t know if it’s been speculated on but I could see the warriors only doing this trade if Wiseman is taken #1, I think wiseman is the GSWs guy but if he’s gone they’d settle with getting Aldridge + 11 or something

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This is the kind of deal that can only happen on draft night unless Minnesota gets involved.

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That makes sense for lower picks. With #2 you know all but one player will be available. I would do the deal ASAP so another team doesn’t swoop in with a better offer. I still think the pick swap with Atlanta or Detroit are more possible.

Imho, the only reason this seems plausible is you trade away Wiggins (lengthy and pricey) contract for 1 year of LMA, then the dubs use that cap space next summer to go after Giannis. I think that’s the warriors play.

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Imho, the only reason this seems plausible is you trade away Wiggins (lengthy and pricey) contract for 1 year of LMA, then the dubs use that cap space next summer to go after Giannis. I think that’s the warriors play.

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That makes sense for lower picks. With #2 you know all but one player will be available. I would do the deal ASAP so another team doesn’t swoop in with a better offer. I still think the pick swap with Atlanta or Detroit are more possible.

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Still not a given because every team is trying to leverage what they have even to the point of some teams taking players they never worked out or talked only because they have insider knowledge that the team behind them wants them. Minnesota holds a lot of cards here especially because they now here Charlotte and Spurs are very high on a guy like Wiseman. Say Spurs make this trade but Hornets get scared and make a trade with Timberwolves for an asset + their 3rd while Timberwolves still might get the guy they always wanted at #3 anyway (i.e. either Edwards or LaMelo Ball). Even then many teams are eyeing those two guards so they could theoretically get even more after that by trading that pick to NY or Detroit who seem to be high on both of those guys as well.

Point is, Teams talk and prepare for dozens of scenarios that could happen until the actual draft and even then curveballs are thrown around everywhere.

Do the warriors use trade exemption on Rudy gay

I don't know if this has been posted already but earlier this year, Wiseman said he modeled his game after DA ADMIRAL. https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/s...a-spurs-legend

"So I am more like a back-in-the-day guy. So I'll say David Robinson for sure."

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I don't know if this has been posted already but earlier this year, Wiseman said he modeled his game after DA ADMIRAL. https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/s...a-spurs-legend

"So I am more like a back-in-the-day guy. So I'll say David Robinson for sure."

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Another reason why the Spurs would be the ideal fit for him. He could learn from The Admiral himself.

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This is the kind of deal that can only happen on draft night unless Minnesota gets involved.

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You always want to trade draft rights to the player selected in the first round on draft night. If you trade the pick, you are precluded from trading your next first rounder, should something come up at the deadline. That’s any team.

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GS won't have cap space until 2023.

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And that is only if they renounce Klay and Steph. Raymond has a player option for 2023-2024. It’s $27M, and he’ll be 34.

Irony: LMA was drafted #2 overall, and traded on draft night to Portland. NBA Looper.

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Irony: LMA was drafted #2 overall, and traded on draft night to Portland. NBA Looper.

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Ahhh that's right Chicago drafted him I believe...

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Ahhh that's right Chicago drafted him I believe...

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You always want to trade draft rights to the player selected in the first round on draft night. If you trade the pick, you are precluded from trading your next first rounder, should something come up at the deadline. That’s any team.

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If you get a 1st rounder in return it negates that rule. Plus isn’t it ok to trade all your future first rounders in separately?

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If you get a 1st rounder in return it negates that rule. Plus isn’t it ok to trade all your future first rounders in separately?

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No. You must make a pick every other year, even if you the trade the rights to the player. That’s the Stepien rule.

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No, they’re not the Spurs. They are in tax hell, and the Spurs aren’t. GS also won’t be able to monetize that new arena like they thought they would, at least not this season. They could pay $31M in tax JUST on pick #2 next season. Imagine that other 30ish million that they’ll have to pay 3.5-1 tax on.

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You were saying . . .

Biden president not Trump

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No. You must make a pick every other year, even if you the trade the rights to the player. That’s the Stepien rule.

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“Of course, in spite of the Stepien rule, a team could still end up without a first-round pick on an annual basis, since the rule only applies to futurefirst-rounders. So a team like Toronto, which traded away its 2013 first-round pick, is now free to move its 2014 first-rounder, if it so chooses. In other words, a team can give up back-to-back first-round picks if the first of those two drafts has already passed.”
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/12/...ure-draft.html

lots of ways to circumvent this.

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If the Spurs don't have to trade #11 I'd take on Wiggins. Either trade #11 or take on Wiggins, not both.

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I tend to agree in principle, but in another lost COVID year for the NBA who cares? It’s just paper swapping hands next year, and one more year of Wiggins beyond that. Get your kid at #2, and perhaps make GSW cough up a second. You picked two rooks last year anyway.

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Another reason why the Spurs would be the ideal fit for him. He could learn from The Admiral himself.

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This is the guy for us. Just makes so much sense. Hopefully, PATFO can pull off a deal, even if it means getting Wiggins in return, IMO. We'll see.

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disagree. Aldridge plus 11 should be plenty. No home run hitters in this years draft. 11 will still get them a pretty comparable pick. Aldridge still has 3 years at around this production IMO. He can protect the paint and stretch the floor plus be a great post up option and solid pnr player. His game is aging well. May need to get a 3rd team involved for the salary filler since Wiggins might be a deal breaker for either GS or SA depending on how the market fairs.

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Aldridge and 11 for Wiggins and #2 probably isn't enough for Golden State. They'd need another asset for them to even consider it, otherwise another team could put together a better package. Also, adding a third team means that they'd need to get an asset to take on 3 years of Wiggins. Spurs can and should take on Wiggins deal to get the number 2 pick, but its doubtful if their package would be enough as is.

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Originally Posted by CGD

I tend to agree in principle, but in another lost COVID year for the NBA who cares? It’s just paper swapping hands next year, and one more year of Wiggins beyond that. Get your kid at #2, and perhaps make GSW cough up a second. You picked two rooks last year anyway.

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If the Spurs trade for Wiggins they prolly lose Poeltl this year and one of White/Walker the following year.