Lowe: Someone in league texted me and said there's a little bit of buzz about 2 for 11 + Aldridge

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Do the warriors use trade exemption on Rudy gay

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If the Aldridge deal doesn't happen, then maybe. They'd have to give up Minnesota's 2021 second round though.

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Ive seen Golden State shopping the pick but haven't seen Philly, Milwaukee, and Phoenix trying to trade. for that pick. Let alone teams rejecting deals for the number 2 pick.

That doesn't really make sense because teams can't even make trades. Also trade talks probably haven't gotten serious enough, with the uncertainty regarding the cap and tax, which just got clarified today.

- I don't understand your question. I said bigs are in good supply and Poeltl is likely to get squeezed in RFA. He's good but the teams with cap or the full MLE don't need him because they have their own centers. It's a deep position.


I also said Aldridge is among the best bigs but at his point in his career isn't enough of a return to justify GSW trading the number 2 pick for -straight up. Spurs would need to add the number 11 pick and probably another asset.

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GS has reached out to those teams and was turned down. You asked who has turned them down those were some of the teams.

Teams cant announce trades yet but that does not mean they are not working on them in the background. I have even seen reports of teams talking to FA which they have not even set a date yet on when that can happen. Draft is in 8 days you can bet there have been serious talks between some of the teams.

I said there are not many good bigs left. Your reply was there are lots of bigs. LMA is a good big. I would not cinsider Potel a good big. yes he is an NBA player but when I talk about good bigs I am talking about players that Will start on Several teams. players that would probably get over 20 mil a year. there and not many like that available.

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If the Aldridge deal doesn't happen, then maybe. They'd have to give up Minnesota's 2021 second round though.

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Wow your value is way off on things. GS will probably not use their TE for gay it would have to be areally good player for them to use it. They would have to include something. I coudl see them maybe doing their 2021 1st but not Minis.

Don't know about likelihood, contracts etc..

But if the spurs can flip aldridge for wiggins they should, he is on a different timeline than the rest of our guys and a bad fit for them. Having derozan and wiggins and gay together sound like a nightmare, but at least derozan and wiggins have more future value than aldridge, and I think pop is quite good at maximizing these types of players. Obviously the ideal is to get picks too but even straight up I think I would do it, spurs need to get younger and fully rebuild

Taking on Wiggins contract is a horrible idea

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Aldridge and 11 for Wiggins and #2 probably isn't enough for Golden State. They'd need another asset for them to even consider it, otherwise another team could put together a better package. Also, adding a third team means that they'd need to get an asset to take on 3 years of Wiggins. Spurs can and should take on Wiggins deal to get the number 2 pick, but its doubtful if their package would be enough as is.

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Well the salaries matching are the hardest things. I don’t think Spurs would want Wiggins maybe there would be a way without that because at face value 2 for Aldridge + 11 is fair IMO. Wiggins value is also varied. I think some teams might see him as an asset others would not. Under Pandemic circumstances I guess it should be looked at more as a negative but if it takes certain teams over the hump it may be worth it to purchase Wiggins for something of value. Hopefully Mr. Brian Wright is a worthy successor!

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This is the guy for us. Just makes so much sense. Hopefully, PATFO can pull off a deal, even if it means getting Wiggins in return, IMO. We'll see.

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I'm in total agreement. It makes too much sense. Besides, Wiseman is who I wanted for us ever since he announced he was turning pro.

What about trading derozen to hawks for there pick

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What about trading derozen to hawks for there pick

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The Knicks really want Derozan. You maybe able to swap Derozan for their pick.

Of course DeRozan has to opt in

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Wow your value is way off on things. GS will probably not use their TE for gay it would have to be areally good player for them to use it. They would have to include something. I coudl see them maybe doing their 2021 1st but not Minis.

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There have been reports that Golden State isn't going to use it unless a player they like comes available. Gay has been speculated as a player that Golden State would like. Since The Spurs are likely rebuilding and are going to be a relatively expensive team, relative to a rebuilding team, so being able to trade Gay into GSWs trade exception should interest them.

Golden State has four trade assets that seem to fit; their 2nd pick in this years draft, their pick next season and Minny's 2021 1st and 2nd round picks. GSW probably isn't giving up a first for Gay-- The Spurs apparently wanted one last season and couldn't get one for him.

Its hard to say how good Golden State will be next season, obviously that affects the quality of their first round pick. It seems likely that their pick be in the early 20's. Teams don't give up good first's for aging vets on expiring deals. That leaves Minnesota's 2nd round pick, which is actually a pretty good asset. That's probably a high second round pick. That makes plenty of sense tbh.

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Don't know about likelihood, contracts etc..

But if the spurs can flip aldridge for wiggins they should, he is on a different timeline than the rest of our guys and a bad fit for them. Having derozan and wiggins and gay together sound like a nightmare, but at least derozan and wiggins have more future value than aldridge, and I think pop is quite good at maximizing these types of players. Obviously the ideal is to get picks too but even straight up I think I would do it, spurs need to get younger and fully rebuild

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Taking on Wiggins's contract means the Spurs would likely be in the tax. There's no way they do it unless GS attach the 2nd pick and they probably don't do it even this way. Also, with the expectation that the cap will be going down the next couple of years taking Wiggins very likely means losing at least 2 out of Poeltl, White and Walker. Possibly all 3.

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Taking on Wiggins's contract means the Spurs would likely be in the tax. There's no way they do it unless GS attach the 2nd pick and they probably don't do it even this way. Also, with the expectation that the cap will be going down the next couple of years taking Wiggins very likely means losing at least 2 out of Poeltl, White and Walker. Possibly all 3.

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Not sure how much legs this rumor has but Spurs at some point have to absorb a contract or two if they want to make this team better built for contention in the future. Wiggins can always be traded later. Now this deal is risky for Spurs because if they want Wiseman Minny might take him at #1. You have a point if Spurs plan on full rebuild they might have to sweeten the deal for Warriors. LMA, Poeltl, White, Walker, 1 future 1st round pick for Wiggins, #2 draft pick. Spurs keep their #11th pick. Warriors would be stupid to pass on that trade.

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Not sure how much legs this rumor has but Spurs at some point have to absorb a contract or two if they want to make this team better built for contention in the future. Wiggins can always be traded later. Now this deal is risky for Spurs because if they want Wiseman Minny might take him at #1. You have a point if Spurs plan on full rebuild they might have to sweeten the deal for Warriors. LMA, Poeltl, White, Walker, 1 future 1st round pick for Wiggins, #2 draft pick. Spurs keep their #11th pick. Warriors would be stupid to pass on that trade.

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I didn't mean Warriors would want Poeltl, White or Walker. I meant that the Spurs wouldn't be able to pay them if they take Wiggins's contract.

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Not sure how much legs this rumor has but Spurs at some point have to absorb a contract or two if they want to make this team better built for contention in the future. Wiggins can always be traded later. Now this deal is risky for Spurs because if they want Wiseman Minny might take him at #1. You have a point if Spurs plan on full rebuild they might have to sweeten the deal for Warriors. LMA, Poeltl, White, Walker, 1 future 1st round pick for Wiggins, #2 draft pick. Spurs keep their #11th pick. Warriors would be stupid to pass on that trade.

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Of course they would be stupid. That is just lop sided. Not only are the Spurs giving up the best player, they also giving up the best youths and a pick for by far the worst contract. If you would look one of the most lopsided trades in history, Gasol to LAL. It's like the Grizz also add young Conley, Mike Miller, and Darko, plus a pick.

Spurs arnt gonna forfeit there mortgage maybe they add Luka but there not trading Lonnie and dwhite to take on a horrible contract

Spurs should:
full tank mode on for 2021
keep 11th
go for MIN 2021 1rd via GSW not for 2nd 2020

Maybe it works in 4 teams deal
suns OKC spurs and Golden

What if Wiseman isn't the target, what if it is Okongwu?

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What if Wiseman isn't the target, what if it is Okongwu?

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I think its Wiseman and Deni is their backup pick..

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GS has reached out to those teams and was turned down. You asked who has turned them down those were some of the teams.

Teams cant announce trades yet but that does not mean they are not working on them in the background. I have even seen reports of teams talking to FA which they have not even set a date yet on when that can happen. Draft is in 8 days you can bet there have been serious talks between some of the teams.

I said there are not many good bigs left. Your reply was there are lots of bigs. LMA is a good big. I would not cinsider Potel a good big. yes he is an NBA player but when I talk about good bigs I am talking about players that Will start on Several teams. players that would probably get over 20 mil a year. there and not many like that available.

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I'm curious as to where you're seeing this. There was a very sketchy rumor about Golden State preparing to trade for Giannis but that sounds like more of a sign and trade after next season.

Teams were probably inquiring about trades but I doubt many got far in the negation process with the moratorium and the uncertainty regarding the tax. Now that's that's been clarified, teams can ramp up trade talks ahead of the moratorium being lifted.

That's a really odd way of assessing bigs. There are plenty of solid bigs, some of whom that don't even start or make $20 million a season (like Montrezl Harrell)

I think Poeltl is good and a starting caliber big. He isn't going to make $20 million a season, actually many centers don't make $20 millions a season.

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That sounds right, if they indeed trade up.

Haven't met with Wiseman to my knowledge, I don't know where the perceived interest is coming from. I believe Okongwu can we viewed as a defensive anchor.

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Haven't met with Wiseman to my knowledge, I don't know where the perceived interest is coming from. I believe Okongwu can we viewed as a defensive anchor.

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You don’t want to openly show your hand. You have to ask yourself if GS is going to trade #2,why did they bother meeting with Wiseman? That could have provided cover for Spurs reps being there, and also wouldn’t count as one of the SA meetings, which are limited.

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Wow your value is way off on things. GS will probably not use their TE for gay it would have to be areally good player for them to use it. They would have to include something. I coudl see them maybe doing their 2021 1st but not Minis.

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They could absolutely use it on Gay cause he might be the best player available to them to use it on. They either have to use it or lose it.

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You don’t want to openly show your hand. You have to ask yourself if GS is going to trade #2,why did they bother meeting with Wiseman? That could have provided cover for Spurs reps being there, and also wouldn’t count as one of the SA meetings, which are limited.

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Good post!!

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If the Spurs trade for Wiggins they prolly lose Poeltl this year and one of White/Walker the following year.

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Why? All those guys are cost controlled, and DDR comes off the books next year. If they are pitched somehow this year (they’re not), they can shed Lyles easy.

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Why? All those guys are cost controlled, and DDR comes off the books next year. If they are pitched somehow this year (they’re not), they can shed Lyles easy.

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Forgot Walker was still under his rookie contract in 21/22 tbh. Still wouldn't give them #11 since the #2 pick this year would be the 10th pick in most other drafts.

Saw this on reddit

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They could absolutely use it on Gay cause he might be the best player available to them to use it on. They either have to use it or lose it.

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They could use it yes but Doubt they would as that would be adding a lot to their already high tax rate.

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Please let it be for dumping both DDR and LMA prayingdog.gif

Well, for one thing for sure, & that's PATFO has been coveting Deni Avdija for some time now, & I'm sure that they would love to draft him next week. Of coarse, that would mean for them to move up in the draft to get him. And with that number 2 pick, if they pull the trade trigger, I can see them going after their guy. They already have worked him out, but here is a article about it from Forbes: Teams like San Antonio and Milwaukee would have to trade up from their draft positions to have any kind of shot at Avdija, who’s projected to be take anywhere from 2 to somewhere in the top 10. Do the Spurs trade someone like DeMar DeRozan to move up? Who would the Bucks have to deal in order to be in a position to pair Avdija with Giannis Antetokounmpo next season?

With two weeks to go until the draft, rumors are going to be flying and some of them may even not be total, misleading lies!
I can see PATFO picking Deni over Wiseman, since it seems like they have been scouting & eyeing him for quite some time, & he would be a welcome addition to the Spurs' needs. So, if this LMA to GS is a possibility & if it can be pulled off, then, I can see Avdija being selected by the Spurs over Wiseman. So, come on 11/18!!!

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There have been reports that Golden State isn't going to use it unless a player they like comes available. Gay has been speculated as a player that Golden State would like. Since The Spurs are likely rebuilding and are going to be a relatively expensive team, relative to a rebuilding team, so being able to trade Gay into GSWs trade exception should interest them.

Golden State has four trade assets that seem to fit; their 2nd pick in this years draft, their pick next season and Minny's 2021 1st and 2nd round picks. GSW probably isn't giving up a first for Gay-- The Spurs apparently wanted one last season and couldn't get one for him.

Its hard to say how good Golden State will be next season, obviously that affects the quality of their first round pick. It seems likely that their pick be in the early 20's. Teams don't give up good first's for aging vets on expiring deals. That leaves Minnesota's 2nd round pick, which is actually a pretty good asset. That's probably a high second round pick. That makes plenty of sense tbh.

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So I will start by saying I thought your post said Minis 2021 1st pick for gay. Yours said minis 2021 2nd. I still this would be high but might be obtainable if GS wanted it. Would more realistically see GS giving us their 2nd. Spurs would be interested I would think as it would be a salary dump for them and help out a player. GS is the team that I could not see doing it. lots of tax on this.

I really wish they could keep LMA and dump derozan for #2 but derozan has no value in the modern nba

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I really wish they could keep LMA and dump derozan for #2 but derozan has no value in the modern nba

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Yes he does & he’s likely to be traded

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Yes he does & he’s likely to be traded

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Who’s gonna want someone who refuses to shoot 3s and play bad D?

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Who’s gonna want someone who refuses to shoot 3s and play bad D?

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Plenty of teams. Not everyone in the NBA thinks like SpursTalk lol

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With two weeks to go until the draft,

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One week. The 2020 NBA draft will be held on November 18, 2020.

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Spurs arnt gonna forfeit there mortgage maybe they add Luka but there not trading Lonnie and dwhite to take on a horrible contract

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I wouldn't be so sure. This front office has done nothing but dumb shit since the 2017 offseason. I don't trust them one bit

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Plenty of teams. Not everyone in the NBA thinks like SpursTalk lol

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I’ve only heard of the magic being interested in derozan and spurs talk could run that team better then they are imho. Tbh I hope I’m wrong though and someone will take him off the spurs hands

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I’ve only heard of the magic being interested in derozan and spurs talk could run that team better then they are imho. Tbh I hope I’m wrong though and someone will take him off the spurs hands

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knicks would love to have him. harden is good friends with him...

Down Lowe Bomb

Another Spur signs with Bron :toast

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Down Lowe Bombs

Another Spur signs with Bron :toast

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Not good. Hopefully it's nothing to worry about, but I've grown to fear LeGM.

DPG chimes in

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Not good. Hopefully it's nothing to worry about, but I've grown to fear LeGM.

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DJ re-upped here, and Klutch reps him.

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DPG chimes in

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DPG also chimes in 3 months ago:

Where there's smoke...

(although it seems like sometimes something simple like what Zach Lowe said on his podcast can snowball when there's nothing really there)

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Where there's smoke...

(although it seems like sometimes something simple like what Zach Lowe said on his podcast can snowball when there's nothing really there)

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Nice. We usually never hear anything about SA engaging teams in trade talks ever so something is definitely up, especially if multiple front offices are pointing it out. I'm gonna jizz myself if Spurs flip their garbage stars for some solid rebuilding pieces

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Where there's smoke...

(although it seems like sometimes something simple like what Zach Lowe said on his podcast can snowball when there's nothing really there)

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I think this actually hurts our leverage. That being said sometimes you have to be aggressive to get the trade done.

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Where there's smoke...

(although it seems like sometimes something simple like what Zach Lowe said on his podcast can snowball when there's nothing really there)

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It’s just Pop picking up the phone and saying we like what we have :pop:

that 2 pick is being traded

https://media1.tenor.com/images/61ad...itemid=4407969

Will Tspence weigh in on what the Spurs are going to do in the draft?

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https://media1.tenor.com/images/61ad...itemid=4407969

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Full circle. Lol.

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Whoah! :lol

There definitely could be something to all these trade rumors with Golden State. Or, Steve Kerr is trying to do Pop a solid by letting these rumors persist to help Pop hype up Lamarcus on the trade market. Both options are plausible and also sort of ridiculous.

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So I will start by saying I thought your post said Minis 2021 1st pick for gay. Yours said minis 2021 2nd. I still this would be high but might be obtainable if GS wanted it. Would more realistically see GS giving us their 2nd. Spurs would be interested I would think as it would be a salary dump for them and help out a player. GS is the team that I could not see doing it. lots of tax on this.

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Easy mistake but Golden State's second probably isn't going to be as valuable to the Spurs. Golden State owns both of Minnesota's 2021 picks from the DeAngelo Russell trade.

Them taking Gay into their trade exception in exchange for the Minnesota 2021 second rounder makes sense for both teams. Golden State gets a player that can help them for the cost of a second rounder and the Spurs lop off $14.5 million from their books.

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Will Tspence weigh in on what the Spurs are going to do in the draft?

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We need another Twitter fight with Don Harris.

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Easy mistake but Golden State's second probably isn't going to be as valuable to the Spurs. Golden State owns both of Minnesota's 2021 picks from the DeAngelo Russell trade.

Them taking Gay into their trade exception in exchange for the Minnesota 2021 second rounder makes sense for both teams. Golden State gets a player that can help them for the cost of a second rounder and the Spurs lop off $14.5 million from their books.

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Please, yes. A high 2nd rounder would be incredible but in this draft.

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Where there's smoke...

(although it seems like sometimes something simple like what Zach Lowe said on his podcast can snowball when there's nothing really there)

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I was listening to that Hollinger podcast last week, and he mentioned that doing deals with the Spurs were the hardest because they never really showed any of their cards so teams didn't know they were willing to trade. As a result their interest in players never really got reported.

The fact that multiple people have reported the Spurs trying to move up shows that they're being much more aggressive than normal.

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Please, yes. A high 2nd rounder would be incredible but in this draft.

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Dallas has Golden State's 2nd in this draft. The 2021 draft is supposed to be better, I'm sure that's the pick that the Spurs would want from Golden State for Gay.

After the Nephew deal, I'm legit surprised that teams aren't absolutely lining up to make a deal with Pop, RC, and Wright tbh

Couple of kind words to Pop and the Spurs will give you $ to take away their best assets :lol

After nephew and what happened with Bertans and the Morris fiasco, I don't know whether I'm scared or need to get out the popcorn.

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Easy mistake but Golden State's second probably isn't going to be as valuable to the Spurs. Golden State owns both of Minnesota's 2021 picks from the DeAngelo Russell trade.

Them taking Gay into their trade exception in exchange for the Minnesota 2021 second rounder makes sense for both teams. Golden State gets a player that can help them for the cost of a second rounder and the Spurs lop off $14.5 million from their books.

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I see it as more GS not wanting to add on all that salary and taxes. Spurs dont have much use for him. I agree that Min 2nd rd would probably be better but getting out from Gay salary for nothing would be good too. Its Kind of the same reason why I think it would be LMA for Wiggins and number 2 without the 11th. Spurs have some power here as they would be saving money for GS.

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I see it as more GS not wanting to add on all that salary and taxes. Spurs dont have much use for him. I agree that Min 2nd rd would probably be better but getting out from Gay salary for nothing would be good too. Its Kind of the same reason why I think it would be LMA for Wiggins and number 2 without the 11th. Spurs have some power here as they would be saving money for GS.

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Gay is an expiring and useful for a contender. Overpaid by a bit, sure. But not useless. Great salary matching piece.

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Gay is an expiring and useful for a contender. Overpaid by a bit, sure. But not useless. Great salary matching piece.

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Its not just over paid it is his salary time 4. him plus the repeater tax. Still think he is worth it? Dont think he will move the needle that much for them. They have already said they probably will not use it.

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I see it as more GS not wanting to add on all that salary and taxes. Spurs dont have much use for him. I agree that Min 2nd rd would probably be better but getting out from Gay salary for nothing would be good too. Its Kind of the same reason why I think it would be LMA for Wiggins and number 2 without the 11th. Spurs have some power here as they would be saving money for GS.

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John Hollinger has mentioned Gay as a player that Golden State and other contenders should go after. On a recent podcast, he suggested that GSW could take him into their trade exception while shipping out Kevon Looney.

Looney makes $4.8. In doing so it would offset some of Gay's salary, while probably saving GSW a lot in luxury tax, when compared to keeping Looney and adding Gay.

Spurs would probably want GSWs second round though, in addition to the Minny's 2021 second round pick back in that particular deal.

I think it's clear that several teams are interested in moving up in the draft, including Boston and New Orleans.

If GSW is serious about trading back then they have a number of other options. Spurs would need to include their 11th pick to make a competitive offer. Given how aggressive the Spurs seem to be, I think it's likely that they would, in addition to offering to take in Wiggins in a deal for number 2.

Gay, Mills + 11 for Wiggins + 2

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Most definitely!!

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John Hollinger has mentioned Gay as a player that Golden State and other contenders should go after. On a recent podcast, he suggested that GSW could take him into their trade exception while shipping out Kevon Looney.

Looney makes $4.8. In doing so it would offset some of Gay's salary, while probably saving GSW a lot in luxury tax, when compared to keeping Looney and adding Gay.

Spurs would probably want GSWs second round though, in addition to the Minny's 2021 second round pick back in that particular deal.

I think it's clear that several teams are interested in moving up in the draft, including Boston and New Orleans.

If GSW is serious about trading back then they have a number of other options. Spurs would need to include their 11th pick to make a competitive offer. Given how aggressive the Spurs seem to be, I think it's likely that they would, in addition to offering to take in Wiggins in a deal for number 2.

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I dont think we could take back salary if Gay is going into the TE.

I realized he has been mentioned but GS has also said they dont want to do it unless the player is exceptional. I dont think he is exceptional.

Who else are we competing against for the #2. Everything I have seen has mentioned that teams have turned them down when wanting to include wiggins. I would not do it if we had to give up 11. #2 is no sure thing this year. #11 is not much worse then#2 this year and has a cheaper salary.

ST gonna be livid af whenever spurs trade Aldridge + 11 for only Wiggins lol seriously I pray I’m wrong but I still can’t see the warriors trading the #2 for anyone on the spurs

If GS wants to move Looney and use their TE then we could include Murray (I think his salary works) and keep #11.... That's probably as good of an offer as they could get..

i'm glad something is cooking !!

about time.

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ST gonna be livid af whenever spurs trade Aldridge + 11 for only Wiggins lol seriously I pray I’m wrong but I still can’t see the warriors trading the #2 for anyone on the spurs

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#2 would cost them $40M in year one, with tax. The end.

i was gonna suggest it could end up being murray and la for looney and #2...

warriors like looney though. maybe it would be he or eric paschall...

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i was gonna suggest it could end up being murray and la for looney and #2...

warriors like looney though. maybe it would be he or eric paschall...

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La and murray for Wiggins #2 and looney would work.... GS would have to be willing to pay some real tax penalty though...

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#2 would cost them $40M in year one, with tax. The end.

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That #2 pick could also make them contenders for another 10+ years if they hit on it, the end. I hope your right tho

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ST gonna be livid af whenever spurs trade Aldridge + 11 for only Wiggins lol seriously I pray I’m wrong but I still can’t see the warriors trading the #2 for anyone on the spurs

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I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

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I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

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If they do 11 and Aldridge for 21 and Horford RC is officially smoking crack. You don't trade a better player and pick for an inferior. No way in hell. Holiday and White would be a dope combo, but givin NOLA Murray, Gay, Walker and 11 for him means we are getting robbed.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

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I can't see the Horford trade myself... I could see the Holiday one though...

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Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford

If they do 11 and Aldridge for 21 and Horford RC is officially smoking crack. You don't trade a better player and pick for an inferior. No way in hell. Holiday and White would be a dope combo, but givin NOLA Murray, Gay, Walker and 11 for him means we are getting robbed.

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Remember, Brian Wright is calling the shots now when it comes to trades. As far as Holiday goes, I'd want to keep 11 in the deal, and for an expiring contract, I think that's fair. I'd swap with NOP maybe or add a future first if it meant keeping Lonnie. Trading Aldridge for a defensive PF and bringing up Poeltl would go a long way toward fixing the defense.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

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Why would Spurs drop 10 draft spots for a bigger contract?

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Originally Posted by mo7888

La and murray for Wiggins #2 and looney would work.... GS would have to be willing to pay some real tax penalty though...

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That deal is basically salary neutral if LMA declines his kicker. Murray makes like $15 Million next year. LMA instead of Wiggins saves $4 Million. Not having the second pick saves another $9 Million. Looney makes $5 Million. So GS would only take on like $3 Million if they took back 11 in the deal. If the Spurs kept it, GS would actually save money over what they're currently slated to spend.

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Originally Posted by tbdog

Why would Spurs drop 10 draft spots for a bigger contract?

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Because they're not the best when it comes to valuing players. They could easily see Horford's deal as being fine and want the certainty it provides over the chances of LMA walking. It's sort of like how people think Myles Turner is worth a ton even though he's arguably not better than Aldridge and is paid a lot for a not-special center.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Remember, Brian Wright is calling the shots now when it comes to trades. As far as Holiday goes, I'd want to keep 11 in the deal, and for an expiring contract, I think that's fair. I'd swap with NOP maybe or add a future first if it meant keeping Lonnie. Trading Aldridge for a defensive PF and bringing up Poeltl would go a long way toward fixing the defense.

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I think Murray + filler might interest NOLA. Spurs young players are usually overrated and he'd fit their timeline better than Jrue who's a vet. It just depends on what you have to give up. Horford only makes sense if you move Aldridge elsewhere. Say if you trade LA + 11 for Wiggins + 2, you could try to trade for Horford. I think they would move him for Gay and Mills. They need shooters and role players.

All in all I would love for the Spurs to make 2-3 trades. They could become a playoff team with the right moves

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Originally Posted by Chinook

That deal is basically salary neutral if LMA declines his kicker. Murray makes like $15 Million next year. LMA instead of Wiggins saves $4 Million. Not having the second pick saves another $9 Million. Looney makes $5 Million. So GS would only take on like $3 Million if they took back 11 in the deal. If the Spurs kept it, GS would actually save money over what they're currently slated to spend.

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I'm glad you're here to breakdown numbers like that.... that's good stuff.... it really comes down to how much they value Murray then... personally, I think its a great spot of his skill set and he wouldn't be hindered by thinking he's more than he is playing next to Curry.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

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I cant see Buford doing that on his most drunkest day of the year, tbh.

IM really starting to think some people want to make a trade just to make a trade. Does not matter if it clearly is a bad trade for us as long as we can say we made a trade.

As long as Forbes gets max I think spurs have done there due diligence

If anyone trades for Horford, especially giving them a better player, will be compensated with multiple picks.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

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Trade 2 young guards and number 11 for a guard who has only had 3 good seasons in the nba, and is on a one year deal, and is going to deman near max money next year ?

The knicks wouldn't even do this trade

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

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:lol Jesus, you must think even less of this FO than I do. And I think they're garbage outside of drafting tbh.

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

I dont think we could take back salary if Gay is going into the TE.

I realized he has been mentioned but GS has also said they dont want to do it unless the player is exceptional. I dont think he is exceptional.

Who else are we competing against for the #2. Everything I have seen has mentioned that teams have turned them down when wanting to include wiggins. I would not do it if we had to give up 11. #2 is no sure thing this year. #11 is not much worse then#2 this year and has a cheaper salary.

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-I'm pretty sure that they can. Gay isn't exceptional but he's a better fit for them than Aldridge. They could use a versatile off-the-bench scorer. If they include Looney in a trade, then it would limit their financial hit while giving them a front court upgrade.


-Again, I haven't seen any reports of teams turning GSW down. Just yesterday a report came out about the Knicks, Bulls and Pistons wanting to trade up to number 2. Add in Boston and Philly and that's 5 other teams trying to move up into the top 6.

That creates a bidding war, which is good for GSW. The Spurs are clearly looking to move up because they've identified a player that they really like. They would have to give up number 11 and likely either Aldridge or DeRozan, otherwise, what would they be willing to offer to try and move up into the top 3?

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

If anyone trades for Horford, especially giving them a better player, will be compensated with multiple picks.

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Agreed. At least two firsts, I would think. Certainly wouldn't be the best deal for Aldridge though.

Maybe Aldridge for Horford and their 2020 21st pick (Philly would select on behalf of the Spurs before the trade is official) and then their 2021 first (or their 2021 and 2023 first round picks).

Horford is technically only under contract for two more seasons. His third year is partially guaranteed for $14.5 million which could be waived and stretched over three years.

Man, this short off season has been dramatic-- I can't wait to see what happens in the next week. One thing I'm thinking about is that Golden State had 67 and 73 win seasons with Harrison Barnes as a starter. Of course, they don't have a prime Iguodala to play the Manu role anymore, but I can still see them running with Wiggins, and building up his image around the league as a player on a winning team, then deciding whether or not to keep or trade him during the season. The Houston small ball experiment worked reasonably well this year, and Steph & Klay are significantly better shooters than Harden, Gordon, Westbrook, Covington, etc... I think one thing people often forget is that Harden has never been an elite 3 pt shooter-- he's a high volume average 3 pt shooter. Harden has never hit the 40% mark for a season, while both Steph & Klay have never shot below 40% for a full season. The small ball formula actually suits Golden State better than it did Houston. Maybe they take Wiseman, swallow the huge payroll for one (or part of one) year, and then deal with it next season, when covid is hopefully contained and their new arena can be packed and generating money again.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ors-trade-buzz

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Originally Posted by R. DeMurre

Man, this short off season has been dramatic-- I can't wait to see what happens in the next week. One thing I'm thinking about is that Golden State had 67 and 73 win seasons with Harrison Barnes as a starter. Of course, they don't have a prime Iguodala to play the Manu role anymore, but I can still see them running with Wiggins, and building up his image around the league as a player on a winning team, then deciding whether or not to keep or trade him during the season. The Houston small ball experiment worked reasonably well this year, and Steph & Klay are significantly better shooters than Harden, Gordon, Westbrook, Covington, etc... I think one thing people often forget is that Harden has never been an elite 3 pt shooter-- he's a high volume average 3 pt shooter. Harden has never hit the 40% mark for a season, while both Steph & Klay have never shot below 40% for a full season. The small ball formula actually suits Golden State better than it did Houston. Maybe they take Wiseman, swallow the huge payroll for one (or part of one) year, and then deal with it next season, when covid is hopefully contained and their new arena can be packed and generating money again.

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Well stated, there’s gonna be tons of movement around the draft but unless the warriors get a deal that blows them away I think there’s no way they trade the #2 pick

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Originally Posted by R. DeMurre

Man, this short off season has been dramatic-- I can't wait to see what happens in the next week. One thing I'm thinking about is that Golden State had 67 and 73 win seasons with Harrison Barnes as a starter. Of course, they don't have a prime Iguodala to play the Manu role anymore, but I can still see them running with Wiggins, and building up his image around the league as a player on a winning team, then deciding whether or not to keep or trade him during the season. The Houston small ball experiment worked reasonably well this year, and Steph & Klay are significantly better shooters than Harden, Gordon, Westbrook, Covington, etc... I think one thing people often forget is that Harden has never been an elite 3 pt shooter-- he's a high volume average 3 pt shooter. Harden has never hit the 40% mark for a season, while both Steph & Klay have never shot below 40% for a full season. The small ball formula actually suits Golden State better than it did Houston. Maybe they take Wiseman, swallow the huge payroll for one (or part of one) year, and then deal with it next season, when covid is hopefully contained and their new arena can be packed and generating money again.

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They have only one chip to play to get rid of Wiggins, #2. The league knows what he is, and that isn’t going to change. If they pick at #2, and go into the season with Wiggins, the other 29 teams would be fine sticking GS with that contract.