Lowe: Someone in league texted me and said there's a little bit of buzz about 2 for 11 + Aldridge

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but I can still see them running with Wiggins, and building up his image around the league as a player on a winning team

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so do you believe that he will be seen as a good player and not that he is playing well for having Klay / Curry and Dray on his team? I don't really see it working that way, to be worth his contract he would have to play as the best warrior for an full season.

Pretty damn nervous when this FO is involved in this much trade chatter tbh. I have zero faith in them to make a competent trade. RC/Pop's #1 priority is probably making sure the opposing GM still likes them afterwards :lol

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so do you believe that he will be seen as a good player and not that he is playing well for having Klay / Curry and Dray on his team? I don't really see it working that way, to be worth his contract he would have to play as the best warrior for an full season.

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I don't, but a team like the Knicks or Charlotte might. Look at the contract Barnes got from Dallas, which they regretted almost immediately.

I mean, hell-- the Knicks are reportedly interested in Westbrook now. Who can predict what terrible moves they'll make in the future, with the narrative of "Wiggins has finally matured and reached his potential" floating around.

Minnesota rumored to take Ball, GSW still seems like they're going to trade their pick and it sounds like Charlotte will take a run at Westbrook, which would include the 3rd pick (and possibly Graham and Batum).

Wiseman could still be available at two, maybe Deni drops a couple of spots too.

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Pretty damn nervous when this FO is involved in this much trade chatter tbh. I have zero faith in them to make a competent trade. RC/Pop's #1 priority is probably making sure the opposing GM still likes them afterwards :lol

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You must wake up every morning with piss in your coffee because every time I see you post its something negative. My goodness.

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You must wake up every morning with piss in your coffee because every time I see you post its something negative. My goodness.

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Hand me your cup, sweetie.

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so do you believe that he will be seen as a good player and not that he is playing well for having Klay / Curry and Dray on his team? I don't really see it working that way, to be worth his contract he would have to play as the best warrior for an full season.

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I don't, but a team like the Knicks or Charlotte might. Look at the contract Barnes got from Dallas, which they regretted almost immediately.

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I mean, hell-- the Knicks are reportedly interested in Westbrook now. Who can predict what terrible moves they'll make in the future, with the narrative of "Wiggins has finally matured and reached his potential" floating around.

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:lol I just checked Hoopshype, and the most recent rumor is Charlotte has interest in Westbrook.

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Wow Spurs are actually doing what makes sense. Shopping their valuable pieces on the last year of their contracts, including Mills.

I wouldn't give up DeRozan for Kuzma and Green though. Would need a better package because I think DDR plays well with our youth.

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It’s fappening!!!

Let’s go MFers!

I got 2 questions here:

1. Why would Philly trade Richardson for Mills when Richardson is younger, cheaper and the better player? Not that I would mind to do the deal, it just doesn't make sense for Philly

2. Why would we want more SGs?

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I got 2 questions here:

1. Why would Philly trade Richardson for Mills when Richardson is younger, cheaper and the better player? Not that I would mind to do the deal, it just doesn't make sense for Philly

2. Why would we want more SGs?

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My way of thinking it is this: adding one more guard diminishes the return of Bryn Forbes.

Maybe spurs are sending them pick 41 as well? 76ers desperately need a pg that can shoot, plus y’all gonna laugh but they need some guys that bring a positive culture to the team lol

Getting Richardson for Mills would be huge.

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My way of thinking it is this: adding one more guard diminishes the return of Bryn Forbes.

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Bryn is getting moved to Center.

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My way of thinking it is this: adding one more guard diminishes the return of Bryn Forbes.

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I'm thinking the same way. Getting rid of the 3 musketeers Mills, Forbes and Belinelli in one offseason would already improve the team by miles

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Maybe spurs are sending them pick 41 as well? 76ers desperately need a pg that can shoot, plus y’all gonna laugh but they need some guys that bring a positive culture to the team lol

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true, they are saying Mills might be a better fit as a PG. I doubt that but if Philly wants to do the deal I'm all for it

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I got 2 questions here:

1. Why would Philly trade Richardson for Mills when Richardson is younger, cheaper and the better player? Not that I would mind to do the deal, it just doesn't make sense for Philly

2. Why would we want more SGs?

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I think its because Mills has the one elite skill set that Morey values most...3pt shooting.... he'd fit great next to Simmons or Harden (of Philly acquires him).

Love Mills but I like the swap for Josh Richardson if it happens. Not an amazing trade but solid especially if we are sending other players out.

If Mills is traded, Forbes is definitely coming back.

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If Mills is traded, Forbes is definitely coming back.

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Yeah, that's the catch. Pop won't let go of every single pet of his, all at once. Plus, no matter how hated 50 Mill$ is on this forum, he's a much more solid player at his role than Forbes is at his; he also is a great glue and energy guy, good locker room presence, good vet, and could end up transitioning to coaching after he's done playing. I wouldn't mind the Spurs dealing him if the package is worth it, but now that the rumors are there, I'm having second feelings about this...

maybe this mills-richardson rumor isnt just a swap but a part of a bigger deal which includes lma, horford, picks etc?

Forbes has never been a problem, he's dirt cheap with known skills. Forbes starting guard and major minute hog was what sucks. Until we get Kyle Anderson back, forbes is our default glue guy.

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Forbes has never been a problem, he's dirt cheap with known skills. Forbes starting guard and major minute hog was what sucks. Until we get Kyle Anderson back, forbes is our default glue guy.

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Yup. Having Forbes on the roster for cheap doesn't sink the team. Starting him does. imo he's okay for 10-12 minutes as the 10th man.

I dont know if I like the trade. This Richardson is the better player and younger but Mills does bring the team together. If this was last year I might be more for this but it will be nice to get rid of his salary and I dont want forbes resigned. We also have enough guards and while Richardson is not old (27) he would be on the leading edge of this team. If we get some decent picks back for it then I would be more willing. Also would probably want to keep Rudy if Mills is traded.

Philly is after him because they need shooters and he also plays a position they need.

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Yup. Having Forbes on the roster for cheap doesn't sink the team. Starting him does. imo he's okay for 10-12 minutes as the 10th man.

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For $4-$5 million/ year for 2 years. Maybe a team option on year 2.

:lol Forbes on a Pop coached is absolutely a problem. I don't care if he was giving the Spurs 10mil a year to play, I still wouldn't want him anywhere near the franchise.

Spurs could bring Gary Neal to suck at defense and spit out bricks for less money. Although I think Forbes has better stats guarding shoeless players.

GS is looking to match up with the Lakers bigs. When you're in championship contention you're thinking about who you have to beat to win the title and what pieces you need to add to get there. LMA would be a decent counter to AD. Not sure the Warriors could do better. And even if they give up a couple of draft picks including #2 to get the deal done, with the rest of their lineup they'd probably be too much for LA. I'd pencil the Warriors in as the clear favorite to win it all if they got Aldridge.

That's why I think this rumor has teeth. Will it happen? I suppose it will depend on how much the Warriors want Aldridge. I think that drives this deal more than the Spurs wanting the #2 pick.

...Not to mention LA historically has had success against Davis. This should be too selling point.

LMA has always schooled AD in every matchup. I see the appeal.

LMA shooting 3's has to open him up to a buncha different markets. He's relatively cheap and you know that he will always be available and give you good production. With Draymond falling off a cliff, the Warriors would be stupid to not trade for LMA.

I like Josh Richardson, but I don't really see the fit here. Maybe he will have a bounce back year and he is a streaky shooter. But he would make a lot more sense if we drafted someone like Kira Lewis bc Richardson can't really create for himself and he can't create for others. So drafting a player that can do both would be a nice fit on the team... Assuming we trade DDR. If not then we don't need Lewis

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Yup. Having Forbes on the roster for cheap doesn't sink the team. Starting him does. imo he's okay for 10-12 minutes as the 10th man.

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Having Forbes on the roster does sink the team cause Pop would overplay him no matter what

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GS is looking to match up with the Lakers bigs. When you're in championship contention you're thinking about who you have to beat to win the title and what pieces you need to add to get there. LMA would be a decent counter to AD. Not sure the Warriors could do better. And even if they give up a couple of draft picks including #2 to get the deal done, with the rest of their lineup they'd probably be too much for LA. I'd pencil the Warriors in as the clear favorite to win it all if they got Aldridge.

That's why I think this rumor has teeth. Will it happen? I suppose it will depend on how much the Warriors want Aldridge. I think that drives this deal more than the Spurs wanting the #2 pick.

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They will also have to face the Nuggets with Jokic. LMA has matched up pretty well with Jokic in the past.

C: Wiseman
PF: DeRozan
SF: Walker
SG: White
PG: Murray
Sixth Man: Wiggins

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C: Wiseman
PF: DeRozan
SF: Johson
SG: Walker
PG: White
Sixth Man: Wiggins

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FIFY

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Originally Posted by cd021

Minnesota rumored to take Ball, GSW still seems like they're going to trade their pick and it sounds like Charlotte will take a run at Westbrook, which would include the 3rd pick (and possibly Graham and Batum).

Wiseman could still be available at two, maybe Deni drops a couple of spots too.

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No chance 3 would be involved in a Westbrook trade. My sense would be Rozier/1 of Batum, Zeller or Monk for Westbrook/possibly House.

Aldridge is being vastly underrated by the world at large, and Golden State would be lucky to get him for #2 and Wiggins.

He's been an effective scorer in the Spurs offense.

Imagine how much better looks he'll get when it's Curry and Thompson bending defenses with their gravity instead of Murray and Forbes? How much easier will he have things when Draymond is at PF instead of Lyles?

He'll never face a double when he does get posted. He'll be open on his mid range and threes. He still rebounds and protects the rim. And in the GS system when he works hard and gets advantage position early, he'll be rewarded instead of waiting for Murray to develop into a point guard.

I'm reminded of when nobody, fans and teams included, wanted to give up anything for Kawhi, only a top 3 player in the league. Because they talked themselves into nonsense, either Kawhi couldn't play anymore instead of being a quitter, or being a system player, whatever.

If Golden State gets him, everyone will be singing a different tune when GS is wrecking the league. "I can't believe they were able to get Aldridge, the rich get richer, this is bullshit!"

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Originally Posted by objective

Aldridge is being vastly underrated by the world at large, and Golden State would be lucky to get him for #2 and Wiggins.

He's been an effective scorer in the Spurs offense.

Imagine how much better looks he'll get when it's Curry and Thompson bending defenses with their gravity instead of Murray and Forbes? How much easier will he have things when Draymond is at PF instead of Lyles?

He'll never face a double when he does get posted. He'll be open on his mid range and threes. He still rebounds and protects the rim. And in the GS system when he works hard and gets advantage position early, he'll be rewarded instead of waiting for Murray to develop into a point guard.

I'm reminded of when nobody, fans and teams included, wanted to give up anything for Kawhi, only a top 3 player in the league. Because they talked themselves into nonsense, either Kawhi couldn't play anymore instead of being a quitter, or being a system player, whatever.

If Golden State gets him, everyone will be singing a different tune when GS is wrecking the league. "I can't believe they were able to get Aldridge, the rich get richer, this is bullshit!"

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Seriously. The Warriors are looking at b2b titles with LMA. I honestly can't think of a better big name fit for that team that's available.

It’ll be hilarious to send LMA to GSW to fuck the Lakers over but on the other hand, it’ll be hilarious to send DeRozan to the Lakers to fuck the Clippers over. In the end of the day, our current makeup of our team is middle of the road and I just want them to improve for the future so I don’t care who wins the next few championships.

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It’ll be hilarious to send LMA to GSW to fuck the Lakers over but on the other hand, it’ll be hilarious to send DeRozan to the Lakers to fuck the Clippers over. In the end of the day, our current makeup of our team is middle of the road and I just want them to improve for the future so I don’t care who wins the next few championships.

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Yup, this is how I think their line of thinking is right now.

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Originally Posted by objective

Aldridge is being vastly underrated by the world at large, and Golden State would be lucky to get him for #2 and Wiggins.

He's been an effective scorer in the Spurs offense.

Imagine how much better looks he'll get when it's Curry and Thompson bending defenses with their gravity instead of Murray and Forbes? How much easier will he have things when Draymond is at PF instead of Lyles?

He'll never face a double when he does get posted. He'll be open on his mid range and threes. He still rebounds and protects the rim. And in the GS system when he works hard and gets advantage position early, he'll be rewarded instead of waiting for Murray to develop into a point guard.

I'm reminded of when nobody, fans and teams included, wanted to give up anything for Kawhi, only a top 3 player in the league. Because they talked themselves into nonsense, either Kawhi couldn't play anymore instead of being a quitter, or being a system player, whatever.

If Golden State gets him, everyone will be singing a different tune when GS is wrecking the league. "I can't believe they were able to get Aldridge, the rich get richer, this is bullshit!"

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And if we get Wiseman, who could be the next Spurs cornerstone? "I can't believe they were able to find another legend! Why can't the Spurs go away? They had their 20 years of success already? Why do they get another 20?"

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Originally Posted by objective

Aldridge is being vastly underrated by the world at large, and Golden State would be lucky to get him for #2 and Wiggins.

He's been an effective scorer in the Spurs offense.

Imagine how much better looks he'll get when it's Curry and Thompson bending defenses with their gravity instead of Murray and Forbes? How much easier will he have things when Draymond is at PF instead of Lyles?

He'll never face a double when he does get posted. He'll be open on his mid range and threes. He still rebounds and protects the rim. And in the GS system when he works hard and gets advantage position early, he'll be rewarded instead of waiting for Murray to develop into a point guard.

I'm reminded of when nobody, fans and teams included, wanted to give up anything for Kawhi, only a top 3 player in the league. Because they talked themselves into nonsense, either Kawhi couldn't play anymore instead of being a quitter, or being a system player, whatever.

If Golden State gets him, everyone will be singing a different tune when GS is wrecking the league. "I can't believe they were able to get Aldridge, the rich get richer, this is bullshit!"

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This is on point, and why it makes me angry to think that Spurs could get low-balled in this deal. GSW needs someone like LMA much more than the Spurs need #2, which they can always tank for, not to mention they'd be dumping Wiggins along the way. I wouldn't include #11 on the deal and I hope the Spurs don't either.

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This is on point, and why it makes me angry to think that Spurs could get low-balled in this deal. GSW needs someone like LMA much more than the Spurs need #2, which they can always tank for, not to mention they'd be dumping Wiggins along the way. I wouldn't include #11 on the deal and I hope the Spurs don't either.

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Theoretically. In reality, do they have the stomach for it? Small markets that are used to winning and governed by old school values are typically adverse.

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Theoretically. In reality, do they have the stomach for it? Small markets that are used to winning and governed by old school values are typically adverse.

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Well, yes, theoretically - that's the point, and all we need, since we're talking bargaining and negotiation. Do the Spurs want to tank out a season for a #2 pick? Probably not. But they realistically could, and the Spurs would be very wise to get that point across when talking to GSW. Can the Warriors afford to wait out the trade period for better offers than LMA, strike out in FA, then come into the season with a gaping hole at C and no realistic way to get over LA? No, they can't, and the Spurs should also get that point across.

Point stands, I wouldn't include #11 unless it's an absolute deal maker/breaker if it's not there. Hope this new GM we got knows his ways around bargaining... We're about to find out I guess.

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Well, yes, theoretically - that's the point, and all we need, since we're talking bargaining and negotiation. Do the Spurs want to tank out a season for a #2 pick? Probably not. But they realistically could, and the Spurs would be very wise to get that point across when talking to GSW. Can the Warriors afford to wait out the trade period for better offers than LMA, strike out in FA, then come into the season with a gaping hole at C and no realistic way to get over LA? No, they can't, and the Spurs should also get that point across.

Point stands, I wouldn't include #11 unless it's an absolute deal maker/breaker if it's not there. Hope this new GM we got knows his ways around bargaining... We're about to find out I guess.

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How much of these decisions are Wright's and how much is Pop and RC?

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How much of these decisions are Wright's and how much is Pop and RC?

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Pretty sure decision making is done collectively.

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Pretty sure decision making is done collectively.

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That's what I think too... I figure things go through Wright but the actual decision is collective (meaning Pop and RC are the main ones).

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Originally Posted by Sugus

Well, yes, theoretically - that's the point, and all we need, since we're talking bargaining and negotiation. Do the Spurs want to tank out a season for a #2 pick? Probably not. But they realistically could, and the Spurs would be very wise to get that point across when talking to GSW. Can the Warriors afford to wait out the trade period for better offers than LMA, strike out in FA, then come into the season with a gaping hole at C and no realistic way to get over LA? No, they can't, and the Spurs should also get that point across.

Point stands, I wouldn't include #11 unless it's an absolute deal maker/breaker if it's not there. Hope this new GM we got knows his ways around bargaining... We're about to find out I guess.

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The point is, the Warriors would know the Spurs are more than likely adverse and that this would be the apex of the value they could possibly hope to attain for Aldridge or DeRozan.

What's the Spurs alternative for Aldridge? Horford, 21, 34 (3-way)? Olynyk and 20? Ariza, Hood, lottery protected future 1st? Or lose him for nothing next off season.

Sure, the Warriors can either wait or make a different trade.

I don't buy for a second that Wright would have the autonomy to make the final call on a trade of this magnitude. He'd likely do the legwork.

Again, GS doesn't have leverage over SA unless SA wants Wiseman, Edwards or Ball. If they want Toppin, Avdija, Okongwu or Haliburton, then they have teams like ATL and DET who seem much more willing to just take a contract and not ask SA to eat terrible money. For that same reason, a lot of teams aren't going to be willing to meet GS demands, which causes the market around 2 to fall, leading to GS either taking a lesser deal or just keeping their pick. For a lot of teams, the Warriors taking the ball and going home isn't some doomsday scenario though.

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No chance 3 would be involved in a Westbrook trade. My sense would be Rozier/1 of Batum, Zeller or Monk for Westbrook/possibly House.

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I seriously doubt the Rockets would do a deal without the number 3 pick.

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Again, GS doesn't have leverage over SA unless SA wants Wiseman, Edwards or Ball. If they want Toppin, Avdija, Okongwu or Haliburton, then they have teams like ATL and DET who seem much more willing to just take a contract and not ask SA to eat terrible money. For that same reason, a lot of teams aren't going to be willing to meet GS demands, which causes the market around 2 to fall, leading to GS either taking a lesser deal or just keeping their pick. For a lot of teams, the Warriors taking the ball and going home isn't some doomsday scenario though.

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If they wanted someone from the second tier, they wouldn't go through the trouble of trying to trade up to the first tier, where they'd have to take on an albatross.

By the way, Kuzma is more like a poor man's version of prime Gay or Harris.

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I seriously doubt the Rockets would do a deal without the number 3 pick.

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Bridges might be the inflection point.

If the Rockets decide to placate Westbrook, good luck doing better than what I mentioned (as unappealing as that sounds).

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Again, GS doesn't have leverage over SA unless SA wants Wiseman, Edwards or Ball. If they want Toppin, Avdija, Okongwu or Haliburton, then they have teams like ATL and DET who seem much more willing to just take a contract and not ask SA to eat terrible money. For that same reason, a lot of teams aren't going to be willing to meet GS demands, which causes the market around 2 to fall, leading to GS either taking a lesser deal or just keeping their pick. For a lot of teams, the Warriors taking the ball and going home isn't some doomsday scenario though.

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What is your personal threshold for accepting a deal with GS centered around LMA for Wiggins? Is LMA for Wiggins + #2 + MIN 2021 1st even good enough for you? It would be for me, but I haven't put as much thought into it as you have.

That might sound like too much for GS to give up, but if they are the motivated party, both because LMA helps them win now and dumping Wiggins greatly reduces future tax payments, they might be willing to pony up. Especially if they don't get palatable offers from other teams.

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Originally Posted by objective

Aldridge is being vastly underrated by the world at large, and Golden State would be lucky to get him for #2 and Wiggins.

He's been an effective scorer in the Spurs offense.

Imagine how much better looks he'll get when it's Curry and Thompson bending defenses with their gravity instead of Murray and Forbes? How much easier will he have things when Draymond is at PF instead of Lyles?

He'll never face a double when he does get posted. He'll be open on his mid range and threes. He still rebounds and protects the rim. And in the GS system when he works hard and gets advantage position early, he'll be rewarded instead of waiting for Murray to develop into a point guard.

I'm reminded of when nobody, fans and teams included, wanted to give up anything for Kawhi, only a top 3 player in the league. Because they talked themselves into nonsense, either Kawhi couldn't play anymore instead of being a quitter, or being a system player, whatever.

If Golden State gets him, everyone will be singing a different tune when GS is wrecking the league. "I can't believe they were able to get Aldridge, the rich get richer, this is bullshit!"

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I call it the Pop factor why Aldridge is underrated. It's the same reason why Duncan's legacy and Kawhi was underrated. A lot of these casual dumbasses think the Spurs only win because of Pop's "great coaching" and that you could insert any player in the system and it will still work. They don't understand how bad the Spurs have been the last few years and how Aldridge literally carried the team from '17-'19 and how without him carrying the team they would have been a lottery squad.

If Aldridge goes to the Warriors I think he will finally get the respect he deserves in which people will then see how great of a player he is. Even though he won't be the best player on the Warriors it will still cause casuals to remark how good he is since he will make the Warriors invincible. You will see Lebron stans scream "If it wasn't for the Aldridge trade Lebron would have 6 rings." I'm convinced Warriors will go back to back with Aldridge.

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I call it the Pop factor why Aldridge is underrated. It's the same reason why Duncan's legacy and Kawhi was underrated. A lot of these casual dumbasses think the Spurs only win because Pop's "great coaching" and that you could insert any player in the system and it will still work. They don't understand how bad the Spurs have been the last few years and how Aldridge literally carried the team from '17-'19 and ow without him carrying the team they would have been a lottery squad.

If Aldridge goes to the Warriors I think he will finally get the respect he deserves in which people will then see how great of player he is. Even though he won't be the best player on the Warriors it will still cause casuals to remark how good he is since he will make the Warriors in invincible. You will see Lebron stans scream "If it wasn't for the Aldridge trade Lebron would have 6 rings." I'm convinced Warriors will go back to back with Aldridge.

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Aldridge would be a monster on the Dubs

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And if we get Wiseman, who could be the next Spurs cornerstone? "I can't believe they were able to find another legend! Why can't the Spurs go away? They had their 20 years of success already? Why do they get another 20?"

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It could work both ways in the sense the Warriors win 2-3 more championships with Aldridge and the spurs develop Wiseman into an eventual superstar. I could see a scenario where people will say "Wow this is great trade that worked out equally for both teams involved. The Warriors got to win a few more titles and extend their dynasty while the Spurs got their next superstar post Kawhi"

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Aldridge would be a monster on the Dubs

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I think he would give them a championship reboot like Rodman did for the bulls during the second three peat.

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What is your personal threshold for accepting a deal with GS centered around LMA for Wiggins? Is LMA for Wiggins + #2 + MIN 2021 1st even good enough for you? It would be for me, but I haven't put as much thought into it as you have.

That might sound like too much for GS to give up, but if they are the motivated party, both because LMA helps them win now and dumping Wiggins greatly reduces future tax payments, they might be willing to pony up. Especially if they don't get palatable offers from other teams.

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I think for the right player, Wiggins and 2 for LMA and 11 makes enough sense to do. I'd probably be okay with adding in the Minny pick for just a meh player if they had a way to get off some of DeRozan's money. I actually like the bigger Wiggins and Green for Aldridge and DeRozan framework for them, though I'd probably need 2 and the Minny pick and to find a taker for Mills/Gay that saved the Spurs considerable money. I think it puts the Warriors in a much better short- and long-term position and it gets the Spurs a long-term need at the four. However, as I said, I'd like to see Green moved while he still has value to help the team avoid the tax long term. Only issue is that if Green has value, then GS might not want to pay enough to move him for it to make sense to SA. I'm not deal with GS unless 2 is on the table.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

If they wanted someone from the second tier, they wouldn't go through the trouble of trying to trade up to the first tier, where they'd have to take on an albatross.

By the way, Kuzma is more like a poor man's version of prime Gay or Harris.

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That's sort of the point I'm making. There's no indication that SA wants anyone from the first tier. Of course they might, but when talking about leverage, GS actually has to have something SA wants, not just something that is usually objectively valuable.

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That's sort of the point I'm making. There's no indication that SA wants anyone from the first tier. Of course they might, but when talking about leverage, GS actually has to have something SA wants, not just something that is usually objectively valuable.

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Well obviously this would be based on the premise that they do.

some one mentioned that the spurs and 76ers are talking about a trade centered around DD and Harris. .

https://twitter.com/vinfosh/status/1326979535246675968

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Well obviously this would be based on the premise that they do.

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But you can't lock that in that but also ignore that GS has to want to deal Wiggins and/or 2 in the first place to engage in a trade.

It's basically saying "In a scenario where the Spurs have no leverage, the Warriors have all the leverage." I think we can all agree on that, but that's not the framework we should assume based on the information we've been given so far.

can spurs use lakers intrests in ddr to avoid including #11 to LMA trade?

GSW: LMA , kuz
LAL: DDR
SAS: Wiggins, green, #2, #28

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Originally Posted by Chinook

But you can't lock that in that but also ignore that GS has to want to deal Wiggins and/or 2 in the first place to engage in a trade.

It's basically saying "In a scenario where the Spurs have no leverage, the Warriors have all the leverage." I think we can all agree on that, but that's not the framework we should assume based on the information we've been given so far.

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I'm saying, all of us discussing this ad nauseam is based on both of those premises being true.

Although, I wouldn't say "want to deal 2" so much as in an ideal world they'd make a similar trade that we're discussing but Aldridge would be late 20s/early 30s. That he's not is probably what prevents it from happening.

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Originally Posted by B1gduff

some one mentioned that the spurs and 76ers are talking about a trade centered around DD and Harris. .

https://twitter.com/vinfosh/status/1326979535246675968

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Like hell. If they wanted harris they would have traded for him during the whole kawhi debacle.

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Originally Posted by B1gduff

some one mentioned that the spurs and 76ers are talking about a trade centered around DD and Harris. .

https://twitter.com/vinfosh/status/1326979535246675968

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That guy-- Vin Fosh-- has no credibility. He claims he broke the Anthony Davis trade and the Kamala Harris as VP story... and the rest of his twitter feed is almost all nonsense.

If spurs traded Derrick white for a bum and 2 second round picks there completely idiots .. if redrafted white is a top 10-15 pick

i'm ready.

https://i.imgur.com/Hgz0jZW.png
https://imgur.com/e22bf649-60ad-4d8a-a3a1-aeaa3c63e3d99

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Originally Posted by gambit1990

i'm ready.

https://i.imgur.com/Hgz0jZW.png
https://imgur.com/e22bf649-60ad-4d8a-a3a1-aeaa3c63e3d99

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I like this trade

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Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones

GS is looking to match up with the Lakers bigs. When you're in championship contention you're thinking about who you have to beat to win the title and what pieces you need to add to get there. LMA would be a decent counter to AD. Not sure the Warriors could do better. And even if they give up a couple of draft picks including #2 to get the deal done, with the rest of their lineup they'd probably be too much for LA. I'd pencil the Warriors in as the clear favorite to win it all if they got Aldridge.

That's why I think this rumor has teeth. Will it happen? I suppose it will depend on how much the Warriors want Aldridge. I think that drives this deal more than the Spurs wanting the #2 pick.

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The more I keep hearing about this rumor, the more I believe it'll actually happen.

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Originally Posted by Uriel

C: Wiseman
PF: DeRozan
SF: Walker
SG: White
PG: Murray
Sixth Man: Wiggins

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I would prefer to find a way to get Jalen Smith and have him as our PF.......I'm just saying.

The window for Golden Fake is just that a fleeting window. LMA would work for them right this moment while Stef & Klay still around as they won’t be there for ever. There’s probably worse places he could finish his days tbh. Would make the west a hell of a battle if Clips don’t decide to s#*t the bed again thb.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

It could work both ways in the sense the Warriors win 2-3 more championships with Aldridge and the spurs develop Wiseman into an eventual superstar. I could see a scenario where people will say "Wow this is great trade that worked out equally for both teams involved. The Warriors got to win a few more titles and extend their dynasty while the Spurs got their next superstar post Kawhi"

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This is exactly why I want the trade to happen.

This deal works. Golden State and Spurs swap #2 and #11

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Originally Posted by gambit1990

i'm ready.

https://i.imgur.com/Hgz0jZW.png
https://imgur.com/e22bf649-60ad-4d8a-a3a1-aeaa3c63e3d99

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I appreciate the balls of it but....yuck.

Philly MIGHT swap Harris for Wiggins, but they aren't going to swap Horford and deal with a much worse player on a worse deal. Basically take Richardson out or add Gay and replace Al with Toby, and I think it works for Philly. Dunno if it'd work for SA, but I also don't think they'd value Richardson too highly if they don't have other win-now players on their roster. I doubt they're looking at Josh as a max player, (since they really should not) and that's basically what they'd have to see in him to guarantee that they'd be able to keep him.

I don’t want horford he’s worse than Aldridge the idea is to get younger build toward the future

Under no circumstances does this team need to add all Hortford in any type of deal... he is only a year younger than LMA...and the main reason why LMA is even in trade talks is because he is to old to play with our current young players...

What do y’all think about trading dd and mills for Boston 3 first round picks

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Originally Posted by Dhbsr555

What do y’all think about trading dd and mills for Boston 3 first round picks

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The trade machine says it does not work.

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Originally Posted by offset formation

I appreciate the balls of it but....yuck.

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it'd be really cool tbh... bev, PG, montrezl, looney... + white, lonnie, keldon... + #2 pick :hungry:

you avoid tanking to get a high pick... and you get an all star in PG.

it'd be a real young defensive team.

Thank God for the bubble. Seems like it worked to get PATFO at least “active” when they seem dormant most of the time. When a key piece like Bryn Forbes sat it out, it had to make you wonder if something was up.

Maybe the Spurs could do a three team deal with Golden State and The Lakers:

Spurs Get: #2 pick, Wiggins, Kuzma

Lakers Get: DeMar DeRozan

Golden State Gets: Aldridge and Danny Green and the 28th pick.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Maybe the Spurs could do a three team deal with Golden State and The Lakers:

Spurs Get: #2 pick, Wiggins, Kuzma

Lakers Get: DeMar DeRozan

Golden State Gets: Aldridge and Danny Green and the 28th pick.

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No thanks. (1) You don’t trade the best two players and come back from it with an underperforming guy that just got maxed out, an up and down guy heading into the last year of his rookie deal, with only the #2 pick to show for it and (2) why are the Lakers and Warriors going to help each other out? Though guess Spurs could always reroute assets back to GS.

I don’t even think it works in the trade machine for either LAL or GSW.

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Originally Posted by Sugus

This is on point, and why it makes me angry to think that Spurs could get low-balled in this deal. GSW needs someone like LMA much more than the Spurs need #2, which they can always tank for, not to mention they'd be dumping Wiggins along the way. I wouldn't include #11 on the deal and I hope the Spurs don't either.

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GS will be able to keep LMA if they ring. We will not. He’s already said he wants to return to Portland to finish, and if not traded, that means next summer. He walks for nothing, or a shitty S&T for ending contracts. Tanking also hasn’t proven to be a good strategy, since the NBA flattened the odds the last two drafts. Of the eight total draw spots, four per draft, five teams from outside the top four have jumped in. Even teams outside the top four are getting fucked, like NY getting knocked back from 6 to 8 this year. Do you know how to avoid that? You sign a top FA five years ago, get 4 AS seasons and two All NBA seasons out of him, and have a team offer you #2 for him at the age of 35. That’s how you do it.

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Originally Posted by cjw

No thanks. (1) You don’t trade the best two players and come back from it with an underperforming guy that just got maxed out, an up and down guy heading into the last year of his rookie deal, with only the #2 pick to show for it and (2) why are the Lakers and Warriors going to help each other out? Though guess Spurs could always reroute assets back to GS.

I don’t even think it works in the trade machine for either LAL or GSW.

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Good point.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Maybe the Spurs could do a three team deal with Golden State and The Lakers:

Spurs Get: #2 pick, Wiggins, Kuzma

Lakers Get: DeMar DeRozan

Golden State Gets: Aldridge and Danny Green and the 28th pick.

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GS and the LAL are not going to cooperate on a trade.

Every off-season since the Kawhi trade should tell you that the Spurs front office is horrible at anything that doesn't involve drafting. Spurs fans are going to be mad or underwhelmed when Wright ends up making another bad trade. Go in with low expectations and you won't be disappointed next Wednesday.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

GS and the LAL are not going to cooperate on a trade.

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They don't have to.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

Every off-season since the Kawhi trade should tell you that the Spurs front office is horrible at anything that doesn't involve drafting. Spurs fans are going to be mad or underwhelmed when Wright ends up making another bad trade. Go in with low expectations and you won't be disappointed next Wednesday.

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When players do not honor the commitments they make and there are no repercussions on the player it is difficult to hold the FO accountable for that. Hell, Klutch fired Morris as a client after he reneged. So would you have forgone the chance to sign Morris who appeared to be exactly what we needed? They were doing business just like every other team in the NBA. It is unfortunate for the Spurs that they were dealing with 2 such low-character individuals in the past 2 years. Obviously they trade Bertans for nothing. Even the Carroll deal was originally only 2 years with a 2nd year partial if I recall correctly. They had sign him under the MLE once the Morris signing was thought to be a done deal which requires a minimum of a 3 year contract.

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Originally Posted by buttsR4rebounding

When players do not honor the commitments they make and there are no repercussions on the player it is difficult to hold the FO accountable for that. Hell, Klutch fired Morris as a client after he reneged. So would you have forgone the chance to sign Morris who appeared to be exactly what we needed? They were doing business just like every other team in the NBA. It is unfortunate for the Spurs that they were dealing with 2 such low-character individuals in the past 2 years. Obviously they trade Bertans for nothing. Even the Carroll deal was originally only 2 years with a 2nd year partial if I recall correctly. They had sign him under the MLE once the Morris signing was thought to be a done deal which requires a minimum of a 3 year contract.

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They undervalued Bertans and overvalued Carroll. That's on the front office. Anybody that watched Carroll on the Nets in 2019 knew he was a questionable pickup.

Also, if the Spurs are frequently getting burned by low-character individuals that says something's wrong with the FO.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

The point is, the Warriors would know the Spurs are more than likely adverse and that this would be the apex of the value they could possibly hope to attain for Aldridge or DeRozan.

What's the Spurs alternative for Aldridge? Horford, 21, 34 (3-way)? Olynyk and 20? Ariza, Hood, lottery protected future 1st? Or lose him for nothing next off season.

Sure, the Warriors can either wait or make a different trade.

I don't buy for a second that Wright would have the autonomy to make the final call on a trade of this magnitude. He'd likely do the legwork.

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You're right on Wright. At the end of the day, no trade is getting done without Pop and RC's stamp of approval.

But I don't buy the GS high ground. Spurs have other options, as you mentioned (whether they're better or worse is TBD, the fact is that they do) and should come into the bargaining table explicitly mentioning it. Warriors on the other hand, reportedly have failed to garner interest from other teams on #2 since they directly want Wiggins attached to said pick, and little teams have the cap flexibility to take him on. Warriors would be in a very dire financial situation if they ended up keeping both Wigs and #2, and every piece of their championship core. Spurs have leverage here, IF it's true as reported that Warriors are whiffing out on other trade partners.

But, to be real, this is all fan-side optics. At the end of the day, this is what I'd hope the Spurs would be saying at the table with GS's GM. It's yet to be seen how good of a trader this new GM is (in conjunction with RC & Pop), so I don't want to get my hopes too far up, tbh.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

They undervalued Bertans and overvalued Carroll. That's on the front office. Anybody that watched Carroll on the Nets in 2019 knew he was a questionable pickup.

Also, if the Spurs are frequently getting burned by low-character individuals that says something's wrong with the FO.

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No. They valued Morris over Bertans. And if they weren’t forced to use the MLE on Carrol and had made the original deal no one would be bitching. Ah, but then you wouldn’t be able to post.

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Originally Posted by cjw

No thanks. (1) You don’t trade the best two players and come back from it with an underperforming guy that just got maxed out, an up and down guy heading into the last year of his rookie deal, with only the #2 pick to show for it and (2) why are the Lakers and Warriors going to help each other out? Though guess Spurs could always reroute assets back to GS.

I don’t even think it works in the trade machine for either LAL or GSW.

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The trade does work in trade machine. Spurs get the number 2 overall pick, and keep the 11th pick in a deal for two expiring contracts that aren't in their plans. That's what rebuilding teams do, they trade away their best players, and take on salary for picks.

Fair point that Golden State and LA might not want to deal with each other, then again. The Lakers are essentially trading 28, Kuzma and Green for DeRozan while Golden State receives Green and the 28th pick. Golden State getting Green improves their team while DeRozan improves the Lakers, they may just do it and take their chances.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

GS will be able to keep LMA if they ring. We will not. He’s already said he wants to return to Portland to finish, and if not traded, that means next summer. He walks for nothing, or a shitty S&T for ending contracts. Tanking also hasn’t proven to be a good strategy, since the NBA flattened the odds the last two drafts. Of the eight total draw spots, four per draft, five teams from outside the top four have jumped in. Even teams outside the top four are getting fucked, like NY getting knocked back from 6 to 8 this year. Do you know how to avoid that? You sign a top FA five years ago, get 4 AS seasons and two All NBA seasons out of him, and have a team offer you #2 for him at the age of 35. That’s how you do it.

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For sure LMA would re-sign if they ring, it should be a strong point for Spurs negotiation. All I'm saying is, the Warriors need LMA much more than the Spurs need #2. Is tanking worse statistically now, with flattened odds? For sure. But when you're bargaining on a deal, you're not gonna have your bluff called like that, unless the other party wants no negotiation to happen. If GS tells RC/Wright "well, good luck tanking for another #2", we leave the table and they get no more rings, coming into the season with a gaping hole at C and no hopes of getting over the Lakers. That is our leverage (well, that and the fact that we're one of, if not the only team in the league that would willingly accommodate Wiggins in that deal).

As I said though, I'm still not sold on our new GM having the dealing prowess to win us this trade. We'll see soon enough, but I'm starting to get nervous about it.

They could deal LMA to Boston.

Fills their need and they have picks to burn.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

GS and the LAL are not going to cooperate on a trade.

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I see why they wouldn't, then again, they wouldn't be directly trading with one another. The Lakers would ship Kuzma, Green and 28th out with Green and the 28th being rerouted to GSW. Spurs ship DeRozan to the Lakers and GSW ships Wiggins and the #2 pick to the Spurs.

Both the Lakers and Warriors would get better in that trade while the Spurs get the number 2 pick, add Kuzma, and keep their own pick. There's reasons for all three teams to do that trade.

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Originally Posted by JuneJive

They could deal LMA to Boston.

Fills their need and they have picks to burn.

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Sounds like their trying to trade up into the lottery so they can package it in a deal for Holiday.

FiveThirtyEight Raptor

LaMarcus Aldridge -0.7 Offense, +0.8 Defense, +0.1 Net 2.5 WAR
Aldridge's value was on defense, and defense against Jokic and Davis is what the Warriors want.

Andrew Wiggins +0.5 Offense, -2.1 Defense, -1.5 Net, 1.2 WAR

2019 #2 Ja Morant +0.4 Offense, -1.5 Defense, -1.1 Net, 1.8 WAR

Offense and Defense are compared to NBA Average,
Wins above replacement is compared to the 391st best player in the NBA. 39 players were tied at 391 including Chimezie Metu.