Lowe: Someone in league texted me and said there's a little bit of buzz about 2 for 11 + Aldridge

Wiggins is the very definition of empty calories who is paid like a superstar but plays like an average starter. The Spurs would be nuts to trade for him in order to take a project like Wiseman.

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Originally Posted by Spursfanfromafar

Wiggins is the very definition of empty calories who is paid like a superstar but plays like an average starter. The Spurs would be nuts to trade for him in order to take a project like Wiseman.

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unless they believe that with the SA training system, he has David Robinson potential, in which case it would be stupid not to do so.

Taking on Wiggins isn't really a problem. Next off-season you'll have more teams with cap space chasing to few FA's to spend it on. An 'empty calorie' year for Wiggins probably let's us move him for positive value in that environment.

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Originally Posted by mo7888

I could see a couple version of a 3-way trade here if GSW really wants LMA

Chicago gets #2

GS gets LMA + #11

Spurs get Carter Jr + #4 + Wiggins

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Chicago gets #2

GS gets LMA +11 + Carter Jr

Spurs #4 + 2021 Minny #1 + Wiggins

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-If GSW gets nothing from Chicago, then why is Chicago being included?


Maybe, if GSW likes WCJ better than 11, then:

Chicago Gets- #2, Looney

Spurs Gets-#4, Wiggins

GS Gets-LMA, WJC


-It seems more like an either/or with GSW choosing offers between Chicago, The Spurs, or another team.


-I think that 2021 Minny pick is highly unlikely to be moved. That's probably a top 10 pick, in a much better draft. GSW isn't including, that for sure. So I don't think GSW would do that second trade.

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Originally Posted by cd021

-If GSW gets nothing from Chicago, then why is Chicago being included?


Maybe, if GSW likes WCJ better than 11, then:

Chicago Gets- #2, Looney

Spurs Gets-#4, Wiggins

GS Gets-LMA, WJC


-It seems more like an either/or with GSW choosing offers between Chicago, The Spurs, or another team.


-I think that 2021 Minny pick is highly unlikely to be moved. That's probably a top 10 pick, in a much better draft. GSW isn't including, that for sure. So I don't think GSW would do that second trade.

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The only reason would be because GS can't get the spurs to bite on LMA + 11 for Wiggins +2 because they think Wiseman is going at #1... Carter Jr would be the incentive for us to drop to 4 and take Deni...obi etc

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Originally Posted by Spursfanfromafar

Wiggins is the very definition of empty calories who is paid like a superstar but plays like an average starter. The Spurs would be nuts to trade for him in order to take a project like Wiseman.

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How is that nuts? If the Spurs assessed Wiseman; or someone else, and decided it was worth making such an aggressive move, then they think he has the potential to be a star.

Taking on Wiggins is a big selling point in their offer to GSW, its how they'd get the number 2 pick. Otherwise GSW probably wouldn't consider our offer.

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Originally Posted by cd021

So I guess GSW is still fielding offers or just assessing their options.

-The Bulls offer gives them an extra asset and still allows them to select Avidija. On the other hand, Carter and Deni don't help GSW win now and they'll have to hold onto Wiggins.

-The Spurs offer gives Golden State a good player. It allows them to unload a terrible contract and instead of giving up multiple firsts only trades back 9 spots to #2.

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The Bulls were a much better defensive team with Carter on the floor last year. I think he helps right away.

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Originally Posted by mo7888

The only reason would be because GS can't get the spurs to bite on LMA + 11 for Wiggins +2 because they think Wiseman is going at #1... Carter Jr would be the incentive for us to drop to 4 and take Deni...obi etc

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Sounds unlikely Wiseman goes number 1, seems pretty likely that its Ball or Edwards. Even if he does, then i'm sure that the Spurs would still be willing to make that deal with GSW so they can take Deni.

Still think that it would be an either/ or with GSW choosing between The Bulls, Spurs, or another team.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Sounds unlikely Wiseman goes number 1, seems pretty likely that its Ball or Edwards. Even if he does, then i'm sure that the Spurs would still be willing to make that deal with GSW so they can take Deni.

Still think that it would be an either/ or with GSW choosing between The Bulls, Spurs, or another team.

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If minny picks #1 yes...but it sounds like they want to move back and teams that are interested in moving up ate looking at Wiseman.

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The Bulls were a much better defensive team with Carter on the floor last year. I think he helps right away.

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Wendall has a lot of potential but not many 21 year old's can be a key contributor on a team that is trying to make the Finals. If they're thinking about the long term, then sure. Carter, Avdija, and the Minny 2021 first is a very good start towards an eventual Warriors team.

Otherwise, Aldridge helps more in the short- term. Remains to be seen if another team swoops in with a better offer, that helps GSW win now, though.

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Originally Posted by Robz4000

If the Spurs don't have to take back Wiggins I'm fine with it.

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that's the mfer I don't want. I want aldridge gone, but I don't want wiggins. He's worse than Derozen

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Originally Posted by cd021

-If GSW gets nothing from Chicago, then why is Chicago being included?


Maybe, if GSW likes WCJ better than 11, then:

Chicago Gets- #2, Looney

Spurs Gets-#4, Wiggins

GS Gets-LMA, WJC


-It seems more like an either/or with GSW choosing offers between Chicago, The Spurs, or another team.

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Wow, this would be a haul for the Warriors-- and it seems plausible. Carter showed a lot of growth between his rookie and sophomore seasons, so I think it's fair to say he'd be ready to contribute to a Golden State playoff run more than anyone at #11.

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Originally Posted by james evans

that's the mfer I don't want. I want aldridge gone, but I don't want wiggins. He's worse than Derozen

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At least Wiggins can shoot the three. If we take Wiggins I don’t understand what the lineup will be. Have to many guards.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Disagree. They played completely different in the bubble because they had something to play for while the top 7 teams in each conference already had their seeds set in stone and were treating games as light scrimmages just to get back in game shape without getting hurt. Or do you really believe Phoenix was an elite team because they went 8-0?

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Well Phoenix seems to think their 8-0 bubble record meant something, otherwise they would not have traded for Chris Paul...

Beyond the record you can just look at the offensive and defensive metrics and splits and see this team was better without Aldridge...although not playing Forbes has a ton to do with that...

We never get to see Keldon play that well if Aldridge is in the bubble...he would not have been doing anything but watching Aldridge do shoulder fakes and turn around jumpers if he had played...

Also it's not like whoever we draft instantly makes the spurs some contender so taking on Wiggins contract right now probably won't be a big deal unless they have plans for a big free agency next season...then yeah wiggins deal could cripple them

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Warriors really need to shed some salary and adding Wendel tacks on another 5.5 million in salary. With luxury tax implications it would probably cost the Warriors over 15 million to do the Bulls deal.

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Warriors would just send Looney back to Bulls. Would send Smiley to Spurs. Salary headaches are not really an issue.

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Originally Posted by mo7888

If minny picks #1 yes...but it sounds like they want to move back and teams that are interested in moving up ate looking at Wiseman.

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The rumor is that they'd take Wiseman with the intention of trading back, it's possible but I still think they'd go with Ball.

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Originally Posted by mo7888

Taking on Wiggins isn't really a problem. Next off-season you'll have more teams with cap space chasing to few FA's to spend it on. An 'empty calorie' year for Wiggins probably let's us move him for positive value in that environment.

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This is right. If the Spurs can get Wiggins to play defense or limit his long range two point attempts, he'd likely be a positive asset by next summer. Wiggins is a negative asset, but not irredeemably negative.

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Originally Posted by smush

At least Wiggins can shoot the three. If we take Wiggins I don’t understand what the lineup will be. Have to many guards.

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unfortunately he can't hit the shot

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Originally Posted by poopbox

Also it's not like whoever we draft instantly makes the spurs some contender so taking on Wiggins contract right now probably won't be a big deal unless they have plans for a big free agency next season...then yeah wiggins deal could cripple them

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If a big name free agent wants to sign with Spurs, you can attach a pick to him and move him. It's not a big deal. And it's better to have one or two large contracts on payroll in case you need those contracts to make a trade work. Wiggins' deal really isn't a problem.

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unfortunately he can't hit the shot

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Hey 33% is better than DDR at 28%!

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Originally Posted by smush

Hey 33% is better than DDR at 28%!

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yes, he is a better 3pt shooter than Demar (I really wasn't comparing), but Demar is on another level as an offensive player, however I agree that Wiseman + Wiggins is more valuable than Demar in the current scenario.

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Originally Posted by Excessive Egotist

This is right. If the Spurs can get Wiggins to play defense or limit his long range two point attempts, he'd likely be a positive asset by next summer. Wiggins is a negative asset, but not irredeemably negative.

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But the spurs love those shots

Isn't Wiggins 6'8"

If the spurs were picking higher they probably could of pulled this trade off. 2-11 is too big of a drop for g.st

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If the spurs were picking higher they probably could of pulled this trade off. 2-11 is too big of a drop for g.st

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That's why there's a salary dump. This whole thing spins on whether you think Wiggins has positive value.

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Originally Posted by slick'81

If the spurs were picking higher they probably could of pulled this trade off. 2-11 is too big of a drop for g.st

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Or, if Golden State moves from 2 to 4 or 2 to 6 before swapping with Spurs.

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If the spurs were picking higher they probably could of pulled this trade off. 2-11 is too big of a drop for g.st

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Basically, to offload Wiggins it would normally require at least a couple of firsts. Instead, the Spurs are offering to take him on in exchange for Aldridge and to trade up 9 spots.

I think its a good deal. The save a lot of money, add a good player and stay in the lottery instead of losing multiple picks.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Basically, to offload Wiggins it would normally require at least a couple of firsts. Instead, the Spurs are offering to take him on in exchange for Aldridge and to trade up 9 spots.

I think its a good deal. The save a lot of money, add a good player and stay in the lottery instead of losing multiple picks.

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Dont get me wrong,its a good deal fo sa. Which is why i dint think it will happen:lol.Getting the #2 pick for lma is as good as the spurs could hope for. It just seems if spurs were picking a little higher or lma was a few years younger spurs could probably pull this deal off.Probably a day late and a dollar short for sa

LMA + 11 for Wiggins and #2 is such a steal for the Dubs :lol

They become instant favorites to ring next season, still have a lottery pick, and get rid of Wiggins' terrible contract. It'd be hilarious if this retarded FO gets conned in having to sweeten the deal any further.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

LMA + 11 for Wiggins and #2 is such a steal for the Dubs :lol

They become instant favorites to ring next season, still have a lottery pick, and get rid of Wiggins' terrible contract. It'd be hilarious if this retarded FO gets conned in having to sweeten the deal any further.

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They would add in Derrick White and 2 future first round picks.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

LMA + 11 for Wiggins and #2 is such a steal for the Dubs :lol

They become instant favorites to ring next season, still have a lottery pick, and get rid of Wiggins' terrible contract. It'd be hilarious if this retarded FO gets conned in having to sweeten the deal any further.

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I believe.. I believe...

Any chance of shopping Demar plus to get Deni Avdija? :hungry:

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Originally Posted by Mugen

LMA + 11 for Wiggins and #2 is such a steal for the Dubs :lol

They become instant favorites to ring next season, still have a lottery pick, and get rid of Wiggins' terrible contract. It'd be hilarious if this retarded FO gets conned in having to sweeten the deal any further.

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If they want anymore than that just hang up on them tbh. I'm cool with the Sours holding on to LMA as long as DePression is traded tonight.

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Originally Posted by Robz4000

If they want anymore than that just hang up on them tbh. I'm cool with the Sours holding on to LMA as long as DePression is traded tonight.

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Yup, I'm hanging up the phone if Meyers asks for more. But knowing Pop, they'll just need to 3way Kerr in with some ass-kissing to get White & Lonnie part of the deal.

Sorry brah, I'd say chances of Depression getting traded at all is < 5%.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

Yup, I'm hanging up the phone if Meyers asks for more. But knowing Pop, they'll just need to 3way Kerr in with some ass-kissing to get White & Lonnie part of the deal.

Sorry brah, I'd say chances of Depression getting traded at all is < 5%.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Basically, to offload Wiggins it would normally require at least a couple of firsts. Instead, the Spurs are offering to take him on in exchange for Aldridge and to trade up 9 spots.

I think its a good deal. The save a lot of money, add a good player and stay in the lottery instead of losing multiple picks.

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Yup. That was my logic 3 months ago.

1) Position of need
2) Saves lots of money for GS
3) Actually a better player on top of saving money


And now that Jokic and DEN have risen to real threats? It’s not just AD. LMA is a critical piece and opportunity for GS.

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Originally Posted by Excessive Egotist

If a big name free agent wants to sign with Spurs, you can attach a pick to him and move him. It's not a big deal. And it's better to have one or two large contracts on payroll in case you need those contracts to make a trade work. Wiggins' deal really isn't a problem.

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Well the easiest way to sign a big name free agent is to...just have enough money to do so...

Wiggins deal could absolutely be a problem if it comes down to the service time of whatever max player the spurs would try to sign that we know they want...since that is what dictates how large the players max could be...

If you did not sign Wiggins, then you just let LMA, Derozan, Gay, and Mills walk...depending on what you pay derrick white and the service times of the players you are trying to get, that could be 2 max slots...

So yeah Wiggins contract could be the difference between two max slots and none...

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Originally Posted by cd021

Looney would likely be involved to off-set salary.

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That’s not enough. Looney only makes a fraction of what Wiggins does. Seems like GS might be trying for leverage. Maybe they thought they could leverage #11, and recent trades weakened their position? That Jrue Holiday trade was ridiculous. Anyway, they are asking us to eat about $70M in salary. That’s a lot.

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Originally Posted by poopbox

Well the easiest way to sign a big name free agent is to...just have enough money to do so...

Wiggins deal could absolutely be a problem if it comes down to the service time of whatever max player the spurs would try to sign that we know they want...since that is what dictates how large the players max could be...

If you did not sign Wiggins, then you just let LMA, Derozan, Gay, and Mills walk...depending on what you pay derrick white and the service times of the players you are trying to get, that could be 2 max slots...

So yeah Wiggins contract could be the difference between two max slots and none...

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Well, I would say the odds of finding a good player/star player in the draft are greater than finding a that in free agency. Besides that, bird in the hand. Getting the #2 pick is valuable and it still doesn’t kill your chances at landing said Fa (makes it harder though). However, if you don’t trade for #2 or whatever and have the capspace you definitely run the risk of no draft pick and no free agent.

It’s simple IMO

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Originally Posted by Mugen

LMA + 11 for Wiggins and #2 is such a steal for the Dubs :lol

They become instant favorites to ring next season, still have a lottery pick, and get rid of Wiggins' terrible contract. It'd be hilarious if this retarded FO gets conned in having to sweeten the deal any further.

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This deal isn’t a bad deal for the spurs. I personally would prefer substitute in Murray or Walker and keep #11 but it’s not bad as it is.

what would be much worse is standing pat and doing nothing and then taking Poku or meladon with #11. Which is likely what will happen today.

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Originally Posted by cd021

The rumor is that they'd take Wiseman with the intention of trading back, it's possible but I still think they'd go with Ball.

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I don’t think Ball would have worked out for them if he didn’t have an understanding he was #1. They need him a lot more than a backup center behind KAT.

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Originally Posted by poopbox

Well the easiest way to sign a big name free agent is to...just have enough money to do so...

Wiggins deal could absolutely be a problem if it comes down to the service time of whatever max player the spurs would try to sign that we know they want...since that is what dictates how large the players max could be...

If you did not sign Wiggins, then you just let LMA, Derozan, Gay, and Mills walk...depending on what you pay derrick white and the service times of the players you are trying to get, that could be 2 max slots...

So yeah Wiggins contract could be the difference between two max slots and none...

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No legit max players are going to sign with the spurs. We’ll just be left with a shit ton of money and overspending on ok nba starters. Much like what happened to the Knicks. Only way to get great players in SA is through the draft or trades.

If by the end of the day, the Spurs get any of Wiseman, WCJ, Deni Advija, by either trading LMA, Demar and picks, it would be great.

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Originally Posted by Excessive Egotist

Or, if Golden State moves from 2 to 4 or 2 to 6 before swapping with Spurs.

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I think the Spurs want Wiseman, and he won’t even be there at 4.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

I think the Spurs want Wiseman, and he won’t even be there at 4.

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I think are about as high on OO and Deni as Wiseman...not quite but close...

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Originally Posted by Prime BEEF

No legit max players are going to sign with the spurs. We’ll just be left with a shit ton of money and overspending on ok nba starters. Much like what happened to the Knicks. Only way to get great players in SA is through the draft or trades.

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I would caution you in saying its the only way. Spurs landed LMA in free agency. Sure, there are some reasons people may say “that’s an anomaly” but if you build an exciting team and can pay the most? You can land free agents.

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Originally Posted by John B

If by the end of the day, the Spurs get any of Wiseman, WCJ, Deni Advija, by either trading LMA, Demar and picks, it would be great.

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Spurs fans shouldn't expect anything more than the 11th pick. The front office has never been known to be very good or aggressive when it comes to trades. Would it be great if they were able to maneuver LMA for the 2nd pick? Sure but don't count on it.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I would caution you in saying its the only way. Spurs landed LMA in free agency. Sure, there are some reasons people may say “that’s an anomaly” but if you build an exciting team and can pay the most? You can land free agents.

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To take issue with this: LMA isnt' a truly great player. He's not, to my mind, a guy who's a legitimate max (ie. a guy who's good enough to lead a championship team).

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Originally Posted by mo7888

I think are about as high on OO and Deni as Wiseman...not quite but close...

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Just the thought of Deni, Lyle and Poeltl not to mention Luka as our future front court gives me the cringe :(

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To take issue with this: LMA isnt' a truly great player. He's not, to my mind, a guy who's a legitimate max (ie. a guy who's good enough to lead a championship team).

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Sure. But by that definition theres what, maybe 3 of those guys?

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I would caution you in saying its the only way. Spurs landed LMA in free agency. Sure, there are some reasons people may say “that’s an anomaly” but if you build an exciting team and can pay the most? You can land free agents.

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Here's another fact, though: LMA's decision came down between Phoenix and us and the only reason he picked us is because it was closer to his kid. It's disturbing that he had a hard time deciding between us and the Suns too. And look what happened with Morris last year. He looked for any excuse to bolt out of San Antonio the minute he saw there was another last minute option.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I would caution you in saying its the only way. Spurs landed LMA in free agency. Sure, there are some reasons people may say “that’s an anomaly” but if you build an exciting team and can pay the most? You can land free agents.

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Yes, LMA was an anomaly. But even he wasn’t a max player. Guys like the Greek Freak and AD aren’t signing with SA. Ironically, I think they would be more likely to come to SA if we had a good young core with guys like wiseman and haliburton than guys like DDR and LMA.

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Yes, LMA was an anomaly. But even he wasn’t a max player. Guys like the Greek Freak and AD aren’t signing with SA. Ironically, I think they would be more likely to come to SA if we had a good young core with guys like wiseman and haliburton than guys like DDR and LMA.

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No doubt the make the playoffs for pop route and going with veterans-gay,mills,ddr,lma didnt work. Both lma and ddr probably walk after this season so teams know the spurs leverage in trades is all but gone now

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If they want anymore than that just hang up on them tbh. I'm cool with the Sours holding on to LMA as long as DePression is traded tonight.

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There is still hope a stupid team like the Knicks after tonight would still be interested in Derozan if they don't get Westbrook,Harden. Look for the Knicks to make a desperate move if the Nets get Harden.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I would caution you in saying its the only way. Spurs landed LMA in free agency. Sure, there are some reasons people may say “that’s an anomaly” but if you build an exciting team and can pay the most? You can land free agents.

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Small markets usually don't land tier 1 free agents. Spurs are going to have to build their team through the draft and trades just like the Nuggets have. They can get a tier 2 free agent every now and then like the Nuggets did in Millsap to help with the development of the young guys when it comes to winning.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

Small markets usually don't land tier 1 free agents. Spurs are going to have to build their team through the draft and trades just like the Nuggets have. They can get a tier 2 free agent every now and then like the Nuggets did in Millsap to help with the development of the young guys when it comes to winning.

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Agree. I was just saying it’s not the “only” way.

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There is still hope a stupid team like the Knicks after tonight would still be interested in Derozan if they don't get Westbrook,Harden. Look for the Knicks to make a desperate move if the Nets get Harden.

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The fact that the Knicks might have interest in Westbrook is all you need to know for how stupid they are. Outside of them and Charlotte, nobody will touch him.

Demar is better today and cheaper, and will continue to be.

Theres nothing the Knicks can give me that I want though outside of #8. Go look at their roster and laugh.

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If they want anymore than that just hang up on them tbh. I'm cool with the Sours holding on to LMA as long as DePression is traded tonight.

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Depression ain't getting traded tonight unfortunately. Maybe, a desperate playoff team might throw something for him mid-season.

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The fact that the Knicks might have interest in Westbrook is all you need to know for how stupid they are. Outside of them and Charlotte, nobody will touch him.

Demar is better today and cheaper, and will continue to be.

Theres nothing the Knicks can give me that I want though outside of #8. Go look at their roster and laugh.

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I would say it's not about who is on there current roster granted Mitch Robinson looks to have potential to be a Deandre Jordan type of player. The Spurs could possible get 2 first round picks for Derozan from the Knicks. That's what I would be gunning for if I was the Spurs.

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I would say it's not about who is on there current roster granted Mitch Robinson looks to have potential to be a Deandre Jordan type of player. The Spurs could possible get 2 first round picks for Derozan from the Knicks. That's what I would be gunning for if I was the Spurs.

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Agreed. Any 2 expiring contracts (especially because SA needs temporary bigs anyways) and 2 1sts.

However, it’s really hard to see SA and NY dealing with all the bad blood. Look at what NY did with Morris last year and they think SA tampered with Kristaps.

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I would say it's not about who is on there current roster granted Mitch Robinson looks to have potential to be a Deandre Jordan type of player. The Spurs could possible get 2 first round picks for Derozan from the Knicks. That's what I would be gunning for if I was the Spurs.

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If Spurs could get two 1sts for Derozan, he'd already be gone. The reality is that no team will offer that for a fake star that can't defend or shoot threes. It's why even a less talented player like Robert Covington can net more assets than Derozan. He has skills that can be plugged into any roster while Derozan is stuck playing a style of basketball that's archaic.

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Sure. But by that definition theres what, maybe 3 of those guys?

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There's some clear leaders in the pack (ie. players with better odds), but there's more than 3 of them - Lebron, Kwitter, Durant, AD, Curry, Giannis, Luka (l think), Harden (I don't think he belongs in this club, but there are others who think he does), Jokic (maybe), Bam (maybe). And maybe a few more rookie types - Ja Morant, Zion, ???

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If Spurs could get two 1sts for Derozan, he'd already be gone. The reality is that no team will offer that for a fake star that can't defend or shoot threes. It's why even a less talented player like Robert Covington can net more assets than Derozan. He has skills that can be plugged into any roster while Derozan is stuck playing a style of basketball that's archaic.

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You could be right that no team will give up first round picks for Derozan but I still think there is a chance that can happen. Once Harden,Westbrook get traded I feel the dominoes will fall and there will be some team that will be desperate to add an alleged "star" to their roster. Spurs just have to wait it out.

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I would say it's not about who is on there current roster granted Mitch Robinson looks to have potential to be a Deandre Jordan type of player. The Spurs could possible get 2 first round picks for Derozan from the Knicks. That's what I would be gunning for if I was the Spurs.

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Knicks sure do have a lot of filler. I’d want more back than just #8 plus filler (Portis/Ellington) for Demar. And I don’t think they give up a second first rounder. Maybe you do it for #23 too, or Dallas’ pick next year. The one thing they have is a lot of future draft capital.

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Knicks sure do have a lot of filler. I’d want more back than just #8 plus filler (Portis/Ellington) for Demar. And I don’t think they give up a second first rounder. Maybe you do it for #23 too, or Dallas’ pick next year. The one thing they have is a lot of future draft capital.

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Knicks are desperate to get into the playoffs. My brother is a hardcore Knicks fan and he told me he would take Derozan only because he feels Derozan could help lead them to an 8th seed. A lot of Knick fans feel that way about Derozan from what I have read on the message boards. I don't think the Knicks will trade their 8th pick for Derozan but the Spurs should definitely try to get their pick for next year and the Mavs pick along with a solid role player. It's very possible you can strike that type of deal with the Knicks.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

You could be right that no team will give up first round picks for Derozan but I still think there is a chance that can happen. Once Harden,Westbrook get traded I feel the dominoes will fall and there will be some team that will be desperate to add an alleged "star" to their roster. Spurs just have to wait it out.

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I can see a team offering one 1st but not multiple. Perception is also important in this league. Jrue Holiday only has one all-star appearance on his resume compared to four for Derozan, but everybody thinks highly of him(just look at the way other players always talk him up). Derozan, in contrast, was made to be a laughing stock on Jimmy Kimmell, is constantly going on and on about his mental health issues in the media. There's a very negative perception of him around the league. GMs are definitely aware of this. If he was actually good, Spurs would have already extended him.

Shouldn't this thread be killed already after the Bulls rumor, tbh?

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

I can see a team offering one 1st but not multiple. Perception is also important in this league. Jrue Holiday only has one all-star appearance on his resume compared to four for Derozan, but everybody thinks highly of him(just look at the way other players always talk him up). Derozan, in contrast, was made to be a laughing stock on Jimmy Kimmell, is constantly going on and on about his mental health issues in the media. There's a very negative perception of him around the league. GMs are definitely aware of this. If he was actually good, Spurs would have already extended him.

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You make great points about perception being reality. Jrue getting traded for 3 first round picks to me was just mind boggling for the reasons you mentioned. I agree with what you said about Derozan. I do believe that winning does help in changing perceptions. If the Spurs manage to have a winning record around .500 are better with Derozan to start the season maybe it will be enough to sway some team on taking a chance on him. Even if nobody does he will be gone after this year which is still a win win in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

You make great points about perception being reality. Jrue getting traded for 3 first round picks to me was just mind boggling for the reasons you mentioned. I agree with what you said about Derozan. I do believe that winning does help in changing perceptions. If the Spurs manage to have a winning record around .500 are better with Derozan to start the season maybe it will be enough to sway some team on taking a chance on him. Even if nobody does he will be gone after this year which is still a win win in my eyes.

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If Demar could continue the style of play we saw from him in the bubble, he could definitely be moved mid-season imo.

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Originally Posted by SpurPadre

Shouldn't this thread be killed already after the Bulls rumor, tbh?

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Bulls rumor was reportrd to be put out by GS to up the value of #2.

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

Bulls rumor was reportrd to be put out by GS to up the value of #2.

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I think the spurs are playing hard ball with #11. Not wanting to include that in the deal. This rumor about the bulls is to put pressure on the spurs. But it’s all guess work.

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

Bulls rumor was reportrd to be put out by GS to up the value of #2.

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Right..........

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Originally Posted by exstatic

That’s not enough. Looney only makes a fraction of what Wiggins does. Seems like GS might be trying for leverage. Maybe they thought they could leverage #11, and recent trades weakened their position? That Jrue Holiday trade was ridiculous. Anyway, they are asking us to eat about $70M in salary. That’s a lot.

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I was referring to the Bulls 4+ Wendall Carter Jr. for GSW's #2 pick trade. Adding in Looney would be about $600,000 dollars in difference salary between him and WJC.

When factoring in the differences in salary, GSW would actually save $1.1 million in that trade.

SI reporting that the Celtics and Warriors have talking about trades for #2.

Word out of SF is Thompson suffered a lower leg injury today. That would change Warriors approach if its significant.

i wonder when we get news of how bad the injury is...

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Originally Posted by slick'81

No doubt the make the playoffs for pop route and going with veterans-gay,mills,ddr,lma didnt work. Both lma and ddr probably walk after this season so teams know the spurs leverage in trades is all but gone now

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Next year doesn’t matter teams are trying to get better this year and nothing is guaranteed next year as teams will compete for them so nothing given.

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Originally Posted by daslicer

You make great points about perception being reality. Jrue getting traded for 3 first round picks to me was just mind boggling for the reasons you mentioned. I agree with what you said about Derozan. I do believe that winning does help in changing perceptions. If the Spurs manage to have a winning record around .500 are better with Derozan to start the season maybe it will be enough to sway some team on taking a chance on him. Even if nobody does he will be gone after this year which is still a win win in my eyes.

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Yeah, the perception thing plays into it in a big way. When the DeRozan to L.A. rumor was hot I looked at Laker sites and fans & analysts were almost unanimously against it. I think some San Antonio fans view DeRozan as a Jrue Holiday-like player, a guy who can bring a return in a trade, but lots of GMs out there probably think of him as closer to a Horford type of guy, someone they'd only take on with draft picks or other deal sweeteners attached.

klay couldn't put weight on his leg...

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klay can't put weight on his leg sooo... sounds like he'll be out for months...

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I think the LMA trade is off. They need to keep Wiggins now. So we can close this thread!

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I mean I think it’s a very good deal. Get a good youngish prospect at position of need (Collins) + a 1st round pick and no big contract that goes beyond this next season?

Sure, getting #2 is great, but that comes with eating Wiggins crappy deal.

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Originally Posted by objective

Just reading the thread on twitter, don't think it's legal

Portland is giving up 2021 protected to get Covington. I couldn't find info on the protection, but if it rolls over year after year (as opposed to converting to two seconds if not conveyed like some traded picks do) ... then the Blazers might not be able to offer a future first until the Houston trade is completed

2023 at earliest, maybe even later

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Yeah that part was unclear, but the framework is there.

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just to follow up

According to some posts on the ripcity reddit, I don't think Portland is able to trade any future firsts before LMA becomes a free agent. Their 2021 to Houston is lottery protected and rolls over with lotto protection every year until 2027, where if if hasn't conveyed it becomes a second

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just to follow up

According to some posts on the ripcity reddit, I don't think Portland is able to trade any future firsts before LMA becomes a free agent. Their 2021 to Houston is lottery protected and rolls over with lotto protection every year until 2027, where if if hasn't conveyed it becomes a second

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Hmmmm Chinook

Bucks reportedly are moving on from their pursuit of Bogdan

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Originally Posted by Degoat

Bucks reportedly are moving on from their pursuit of Bogdan

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Mills back in play? But for what?

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Originally Posted by mo7888

Mills back in play? But for what?

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We don’t love them hoes