Lowe: Someone in league texted me and said there's a little bit of buzz about 2 for 11 + Aldridge

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Originally Posted by Dhbsr555

Do the warriors use trade exemption on Rudy gay

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If the Aldridge deal doesn't happen, then maybe. They'd have to give up Minnesota's 2021 second round though.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Ive seen Golden State shopping the pick but haven't seen Philly, Milwaukee, and Phoenix trying to trade. for that pick. Let alone teams rejecting deals for the number 2 pick.

That doesn't really make sense because teams can't even make trades. Also trade talks probably haven't gotten serious enough, with the uncertainty regarding the cap and tax, which just got clarified today.

- I don't understand your question. I said bigs are in good supply and Poeltl is likely to get squeezed in RFA. He's good but the teams with cap or the full MLE don't need him because they have their own centers. It's a deep position.


I also said Aldridge is among the best bigs but at his point in his career isn't enough of a return to justify GSW trading the number 2 pick for -straight up. Spurs would need to add the number 11 pick and probably another asset.

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GS has reached out to those teams and was turned down. You asked who has turned them down those were some of the teams.

Teams cant announce trades yet but that does not mean they are not working on them in the background. I have even seen reports of teams talking to FA which they have not even set a date yet on when that can happen. Draft is in 8 days you can bet there have been serious talks between some of the teams.

I said there are not many good bigs left. Your reply was there are lots of bigs. LMA is a good big. I would not cinsider Potel a good big. yes he is an NBA player but when I talk about good bigs I am talking about players that Will start on Several teams. players that would probably get over 20 mil a year. there and not many like that available.

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Originally Posted by cd021

If the Aldridge deal doesn't happen, then maybe. They'd have to give up Minnesota's 2021 second round though.

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Wow your value is way off on things. GS will probably not use their TE for gay it would have to be areally good player for them to use it. They would have to include something. I coudl see them maybe doing their 2021 1st but not Minis.

Don't know about likelihood, contracts etc..

But if the spurs can flip aldridge for wiggins they should, he is on a different timeline than the rest of our guys and a bad fit for them. Having derozan and wiggins and gay together sound like a nightmare, but at least derozan and wiggins have more future value than aldridge, and I think pop is quite good at maximizing these types of players. Obviously the ideal is to get picks too but even straight up I think I would do it, spurs need to get younger and fully rebuild

Taking on Wiggins contract is a horrible idea

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Originally Posted by cd021

Aldridge and 11 for Wiggins and #2 probably isn't enough for Golden State. They'd need another asset for them to even consider it, otherwise another team could put together a better package. Also, adding a third team means that they'd need to get an asset to take on 3 years of Wiggins. Spurs can and should take on Wiggins deal to get the number 2 pick, but its doubtful if their package would be enough as is.

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Well the salaries matching are the hardest things. I don’t think Spurs would want Wiggins maybe there would be a way without that because at face value 2 for Aldridge + 11 is fair IMO. Wiggins value is also varied. I think some teams might see him as an asset others would not. Under Pandemic circumstances I guess it should be looked at more as a negative but if it takes certain teams over the hump it may be worth it to purchase Wiggins for something of value. Hopefully Mr. Brian Wright is a worthy successor!

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Originally Posted by SpurPadre

This is the guy for us. Just makes so much sense. Hopefully, PATFO can pull off a deal, even if it means getting Wiggins in return, IMO. We'll see.

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I'm in total agreement. It makes too much sense. Besides, Wiseman is who I wanted for us ever since he announced he was turning pro.

What about trading derozen to hawks for there pick

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Originally Posted by Dhbsr555

What about trading derozen to hawks for there pick

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The Knicks really want Derozan. You maybe able to swap Derozan for their pick.

Of course DeRozan has to opt in

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

Wow your value is way off on things. GS will probably not use their TE for gay it would have to be areally good player for them to use it. They would have to include something. I coudl see them maybe doing their 2021 1st but not Minis.

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There have been reports that Golden State isn't going to use it unless a player they like comes available. Gay has been speculated as a player that Golden State would like. Since The Spurs are likely rebuilding and are going to be a relatively expensive team, relative to a rebuilding team, so being able to trade Gay into GSWs trade exception should interest them.

Golden State has four trade assets that seem to fit; their 2nd pick in this years draft, their pick next season and Minny's 2021 1st and 2nd round picks. GSW probably isn't giving up a first for Gay-- The Spurs apparently wanted one last season and couldn't get one for him.

Its hard to say how good Golden State will be next season, obviously that affects the quality of their first round pick. It seems likely that their pick be in the early 20's. Teams don't give up good first's for aging vets on expiring deals. That leaves Minnesota's 2nd round pick, which is actually a pretty good asset. That's probably a high second round pick. That makes plenty of sense tbh.

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Originally Posted by diego

Don't know about likelihood, contracts etc..

But if the spurs can flip aldridge for wiggins they should, he is on a different timeline than the rest of our guys and a bad fit for them. Having derozan and wiggins and gay together sound like a nightmare, but at least derozan and wiggins have more future value than aldridge, and I think pop is quite good at maximizing these types of players. Obviously the ideal is to get picks too but even straight up I think I would do it, spurs need to get younger and fully rebuild

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Taking on Wiggins's contract means the Spurs would likely be in the tax. There's no way they do it unless GS attach the 2nd pick and they probably don't do it even this way. Also, with the expectation that the cap will be going down the next couple of years taking Wiggins very likely means losing at least 2 out of Poeltl, White and Walker. Possibly all 3.

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Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan

Taking on Wiggins's contract means the Spurs would likely be in the tax. There's no way they do it unless GS attach the 2nd pick and they probably don't do it even this way. Also, with the expectation that the cap will be going down the next couple of years taking Wiggins very likely means losing at least 2 out of Poeltl, White and Walker. Possibly all 3.

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Not sure how much legs this rumor has but Spurs at some point have to absorb a contract or two if they want to make this team better built for contention in the future. Wiggins can always be traded later. Now this deal is risky for Spurs because if they want Wiseman Minny might take him at #1. You have a point if Spurs plan on full rebuild they might have to sweeten the deal for Warriors. LMA, Poeltl, White, Walker, 1 future 1st round pick for Wiggins, #2 draft pick. Spurs keep their #11th pick. Warriors would be stupid to pass on that trade.

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Originally Posted by Chillen

Not sure how much legs this rumor has but Spurs at some point have to absorb a contract or two if they want to make this team better built for contention in the future. Wiggins can always be traded later. Now this deal is risky for Spurs because if they want Wiseman Minny might take him at #1. You have a point if Spurs plan on full rebuild they might have to sweeten the deal for Warriors. LMA, Poeltl, White, Walker, 1 future 1st round pick for Wiggins, #2 draft pick. Spurs keep their #11th pick. Warriors would be stupid to pass on that trade.

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I didn't mean Warriors would want Poeltl, White or Walker. I meant that the Spurs wouldn't be able to pay them if they take Wiggins's contract.

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Originally Posted by Chillen

Not sure how much legs this rumor has but Spurs at some point have to absorb a contract or two if they want to make this team better built for contention in the future. Wiggins can always be traded later. Now this deal is risky for Spurs because if they want Wiseman Minny might take him at #1. You have a point if Spurs plan on full rebuild they might have to sweeten the deal for Warriors. LMA, Poeltl, White, Walker, 1 future 1st round pick for Wiggins, #2 draft pick. Spurs keep their #11th pick. Warriors would be stupid to pass on that trade.

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Of course they would be stupid. That is just lop sided. Not only are the Spurs giving up the best player, they also giving up the best youths and a pick for by far the worst contract. If you would look one of the most lopsided trades in history, Gasol to LAL. It's like the Grizz also add young Conley, Mike Miller, and Darko, plus a pick.

Spurs arnt gonna forfeit there mortgage maybe they add Luka but there not trading Lonnie and dwhite to take on a horrible contract

Spurs should:
full tank mode on for 2021
keep 11th
go for MIN 2021 1rd via GSW not for 2nd 2020

Maybe it works in 4 teams deal
suns OKC spurs and Golden

What if Wiseman isn't the target, what if it is Okongwu?

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Originally Posted by 4lifecowboy

What if Wiseman isn't the target, what if it is Okongwu?

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I think its Wiseman and Deni is their backup pick..

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

GS has reached out to those teams and was turned down. You asked who has turned them down those were some of the teams.

Teams cant announce trades yet but that does not mean they are not working on them in the background. I have even seen reports of teams talking to FA which they have not even set a date yet on when that can happen. Draft is in 8 days you can bet there have been serious talks between some of the teams.

I said there are not many good bigs left. Your reply was there are lots of bigs. LMA is a good big. I would not cinsider Potel a good big. yes he is an NBA player but when I talk about good bigs I am talking about players that Will start on Several teams. players that would probably get over 20 mil a year. there and not many like that available.

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I'm curious as to where you're seeing this. There was a very sketchy rumor about Golden State preparing to trade for Giannis but that sounds like more of a sign and trade after next season.

Teams were probably inquiring about trades but I doubt many got far in the negation process with the moratorium and the uncertainty regarding the tax. Now that's that's been clarified, teams can ramp up trade talks ahead of the moratorium being lifted.

That's a really odd way of assessing bigs. There are plenty of solid bigs, some of whom that don't even start or make $20 million a season (like Montrezl Harrell)

I think Poeltl is good and a starting caliber big. He isn't going to make $20 million a season, actually many centers don't make $20 millions a season.

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Originally Posted by mo7888

I think its Wiseman and Deni is their backup pick..

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That sounds right, if they indeed trade up.

Haven't met with Wiseman to my knowledge, I don't know where the perceived interest is coming from. I believe Okongwu can we viewed as a defensive anchor.

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Originally Posted by 4lifecowboy

Haven't met with Wiseman to my knowledge, I don't know where the perceived interest is coming from. I believe Okongwu can we viewed as a defensive anchor.

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You don’t want to openly show your hand. You have to ask yourself if GS is going to trade #2,why did they bother meeting with Wiseman? That could have provided cover for Spurs reps being there, and also wouldn’t count as one of the SA meetings, which are limited.

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Originally Posted by talkspurs

Wow your value is way off on things. GS will probably not use their TE for gay it would have to be areally good player for them to use it. They would have to include something. I coudl see them maybe doing their 2021 1st but not Minis.

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They could absolutely use it on Gay cause he might be the best player available to them to use it on. They either have to use it or lose it.